Veterans' Day News Links
by duck on Nov 11, 2010 6:50 AM EST
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PrintThere are two days left to vote for us in the Mobbies, so get over there and do your civic duty. There are a lot of great Orioles blogs and websites out there, but Camdan Chat holds its tenuous lead nonetheless as Best Orioles Blog and Best Overall Blog. So go vote! And while you're there, scroll on down and vote for Testudo Times (Terps) and Baltimore Beatdown (Ravens). They are our SB Nation brethren, they do a bang up job, and they need a little help.
Question of the Day: With a weak free agent market this year, it makes a lot of sense to say that if the Orioles are going to do something dramatic, it's going to be with a trade. So, noting that you have to give something to get something, who on the current roster is expendable in your eyes (if anyone)? -Andrew
MLB honoring sacrifices on Veterans Day | MLB.com: News
"Thursday is Veterans Day, and Major League Baseball and its clubs are taking this occasion to solemnly remember those veterans who paid the ultimate sacrifice for their country -- and to pay heed to those who have served and share in tributes today."
Orioles and Maryland Stadium Authority reach agreement on home plate ad revenues - baltimoresun.com
"The Baltimore Orioles have agreed to pay Maryland $913,424 for ads behind home plate at Oriole Park at Camden Yards, settling a dispute over a form of stadium advertising that did not exist when the team negotiated its lease two decades ago." That's a good thing, right?
Jay Hancock's blog: Orioles stadium-ad settlement hurts taxpayers
"What Maryland Stadium Authority executive director Michael Frenz told reporters last night may be true: Cutting the state's take of Orioles' home-plate advertising in half might be the best deal the state could get." Apparently, it wasn't a good thing. Although I'll disagree with Mr. Hancock on one point - those ads behind home plate are essentially TV ads, not stadium ads.
School of Roch: Bordick's waiting like everyone else
Mike Bordick sure would like to be on the Oriloles staff in 2011, he partook in the organizational meetings, but no one from the O's has even called him asking if he's interested in being on the MLB staff. Between this and letting Rick Kranitz twist in the wind, it makes you wonder if the phones work at OPaCY.
Steve Melewski: A take on the free agent first basemen
Yet another look at who's available for first base. Not exactly an awe-inspiring list.
Orioles Insider: Your international Orioles; props to VandenHurk
Rick VandenHurk is spreading the gospel of MLB to Europe, and raising money for a children's cancer charity as well. Very nice.
Orioles Insider: Orioles are cutting a Dominican minor-league team
The Orioles are cutting one of their two Dominican Summer League teams and will field just one next year.
Scottsdale 11, Peo Saguaros 1 | MLB.com: Events
Ryan Adams went 1-for-4 with 2 R and a BB, while Caleb Joseph went 2-for-3 with a RBI and a BB. Kam Mickolio pitched 1.0 of score relief with 2 hits and 2 Ks, and Pat Egan pitched 1.0 scoreless with just 1 hit.
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Really?
I still don’t understand how a coworker of mine can argue the fact that Jeter deserved a gold glove when every statistical category says otherwise except number of errors. Therefore, because the score keeper rules a hit anytime the ball is more three feet away from Jeter, he deserves the GG? I am almost to the point where I don’t trust this coworker in the workplace when it comes to common sense along with the simple concept of greater to or less than, sans errors.
If he's a Yankees fan
I wouldn’t trust him regardless of common sense level.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
First off, a hearty Rex Barney 'Thank Yoooooooooooouuuuuuuu' to all the Vets who peruse this site.
Now, on to the Q-o-D…..I only see 5 guys as off-limits: Guts, Matusz, Wieters, Nick, and Machado. And if Guts is having another good/great season next year I’d want to see what type of return he could potentially bring at the trade deadline. Anyone else has to be made available in order to get any type of substantive return; Jones, Luke, and Britton likely having the most potential value.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
None of significance
If they are going to part with a good player that could potentially have significant return than most likely said player is having a good year so why get rid of him? I think the trade deadline moves this upcoming season will be the same as last season. Nothing that will help the O’s other than adding depth to a depleted farm system. The O’s aren’t to the point yet where they can sacrifice depth for an impact ML player.
I would add Arrieta to that list.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Of the other youngin's I'd rank them (in terms of who I'd most want to keep)
Britton
Arrieta
Tillman
Bergy
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Guts is turning 32 this year. They should listen to any and all offers for him.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
expendable guys
I’d say Wiggs could bring in some value. not much, but enough. maybe Izturis if there are any teams out there that still see him as a defensive upgrade. in terms of prospects, parting with Tillman wouldn’t kill me but I’d like to keep most of the young pitching staff together and Bell if possible.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"
Wiggs and Izturis
are free agents aren’t they?
What up?
by snakethejake on Nov 11, 2010 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
yes...
as far as tillman? i don’t know. there’s got to be some middle ground b/w giving up on guys like harnisch and schilling too early and holding on to guys like penn and loewen too long.
i do, every now and then, like to go back to the maine for benson trade b/c the front office got killed for that for a little while, but i feel like guts maybe wouldn’t have got a shot if maine had been kept around, so that worked out pretty well for the o’s, i think.
(and maine can probably be had pretty cheap, if someone were so inclined)
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 11, 2010 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
It' shigh hyperbole to put Tillman in with Loewen and Penn
Loewen was horribly rushed because of his contract. He spent under 22 inning at AAA Ottawa before he came up. He spent less than 50 innings at Bowie. Then he got hurt and left the organization because he was out of options because of that stupid contract. Tillman is nothing like Adam Loewen (though presumably Tillman might also think Toronto is “pretty close” to British Columbia).
Hayden Penn is closer to an approximation, but he saw no time in AAA before his initial call-up, and then under 90 innings before his second call-up. So I don’t think it’s a matter of “holding onto these guys too long” but rather rushing them and upsetting their development and then crying “Shit, we were counting on you assholes and now you suck and are constantly hurt! Why are you betraying us!?”
Tillman does not fit in that model. He had more time than both Loewen and Penn combined at AAA before his call-up, had more success at that level and at the major league level already, and hasn’t been hurt yet (knock on wood). Not the same thing at all.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
it would be, yes...
but i was merely suggesting i hope the front office isn’t afraid to make tough choices. i just feel like there’s an organizational timidity to making big deals and that there should be a some sort of 3rd way b/w “we should trade these guys, they’re pitching prospects,” and “we can’t trade thes eguys, they’re pitching prospects.” if there’s a deal to be made and it makes sense for the long term health of the club, they should do it, though, at some point you have to say, “this what we’ve got, let’s see ’em play.”
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 11, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
indeed
and as much as we’ve been talking about that I feel dumb for not knowing that
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"
by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Regarding Mike Bordick
I haven’t clicked the link but why does everything have to be the Orioles fault? I am also in interested in being part of the Orioles organization and they also haven’t called me. Bastards!
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
by Stacey on Nov 11, 2010 8:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions
They brought him to the organizational meeting
I don’t think they invited you.
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
And I assuming you're also expressing interest in Cliff Lee
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
I've sitting in my underwear all night
alternating between voting for the mobbies, calling cliff lee’s agent, and digging out a basement to my apartment so I can sit in it all day and not watch baseball and never have to talk to girls, because they make me nervous and spastic and they aren’t at all like numbers, which are my friends and never make fun of me.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
by Andrew_G on Nov 11, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
There is so, so much win in this...
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
You have to wonder
how many people actually have his number and call him to say cliff should come to their favorite team becasue the yankees suck.
So?
If the O’s don’t want him on their MLB staff that makes them the bad guy?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
by Stacey on Nov 11, 2010 8:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What bothers me
is why do we assume that because Bordick was a good guy and a great fielder that he’d be a good major league coach? This is a guy with almost no professional coaching experience…and I’m not at all convinced he’s earned the job, or is even the right guy for the job.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
That's exactly what I mean
Maybe the Orioles brought him to the organizational meetings and decided he wasn’t the man for the job, now they haven’t called him and we’re supposed to be angry at them? Because he is a nice guy who spent a few years in an Orioles uniform?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
well, according to certain folks
being angry and blaming the Orioles is supposed to be your default setting.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
It just seems like a lack of communication is their default mode
Kranitz deserved a freakin’ phone call. “Rick, thanks for all your work, we’re going in a different direction, if you need a recommendation, have them give us a call.” He never got it.
Bordick’s been in your system as a coach, you bring him to the organizational meetings, and you have openings on your MLB staff. I think a courtesy call to say, “Mike, love what you’ve done, Buck’s still considering options, but it doesn’t look like it’s going to be you.” Sounds like that call has never been made, either.
Phone manners, people. That’s all I ask.
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
that's not really the way the world works
There is an argument for Kranitz, I’d say, but do you know how many times I had multiple interactions/interviews with an organization and thought things were going well and then I just never heard from them again? That’s life. Yes, it would be nice, but whatever. I don’t get to cry to Roch Kubatko about it is the only difference.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Maybe I've been blessed in my professional career, then
The three times I’ve interviewed for positions, in two cases, I got a call back, and one of those was to tell me I didn’t get the job. The other was Worcester County, and they suck anyway. :)
I just thought it was professional courtesy. maybe the corporate world is an even more evil place than I already believed, which is plenty evil enough.
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
On the one hand
it’s impossible to argue that Kranny and Bordick didn’t deserve some sort of courtesy. But I have to think Kranitz was on the short list, and you can’t just call him and say “we’re going in a different direction” because you might still want to hold onto him if negotiations with Mark Connor go south. And calling him every couple of days to say “No change, we’ll be in touch soon”…I’m not sure you can really do that either.
So it’s tough, but these are big boys. They can deal with it and I’m absolutely certain they understand what’s up and why whatever happened happened.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
this.
the world does not owe you a phone call. If you don’t know where you stand with your employer or your potential/employer, you pick up the phone and call them.
If the article is, “Mike’s calls are n’t being returned”, that’s very different from, “Nobody has called to tell Mike in advance that he won’t get a job.” WTF? There are a hundred guys who might be in the running for a coaching position who aren’t going to get the job. Are the Orioles supposed to call all of them? That’s what press conferences are for.
Mike’s a big boy. If he wants to know where he stands, I’m sure he has the numbers of the Orioles warehouse offices.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
And I haven't been called about giving the joke of the day.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Y'all ARE voting in The Mobbies, right?
We got that dreaded down arrow for yesterday’s vote toals….get on that!
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
uhh no?
but I am open to hear an argument for why I should. Its like NPR fund drive week around here. Except instead of supporting an underfinanced public resource I am supporting a gimmick for a lame dying newspaper.
that's all?
I was hoping for a statistical projection of the increased traffic due to the positive exposure segregated by population type. Personally, I am hoping for more teens, sporto fanaticos and drunken loners.
(snark.sorry.)
because we're the best Orioles blog by far.
pretty simple, really.
if you don’t think we are, then don’t vote or vote for someone else. no one would hold that against you. :)
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I would TOTALLY hold it against him
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
You know what's awesome?
Not being at work.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
by Stacey on Nov 11, 2010 9:25 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
shut up your face
at least traffic was as light as a Belgian waffle today. If the commute were like this every day I might not suffer from so much depression.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
The Metro was still pretty packed
Which actually worked to my benefit today.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
really?
i found it to be a cakewalk. conn ave was creepily empty.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 11, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Orange line was pretty packed
Trains running on the off-peak schedule so 12 mins in between. Got pretty busy. Penn Ave still fairly crowded as well.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
guh...
wmata seemed to have had a pretty dim view of urban sprawl in nova. any stop i’ve been at across the river has a tint, novelty-sized feel to it.
12 minute spacing is pure baltic avenue.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 11, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
tint=tiny
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 11, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
Yea...they totally blew that one.
Foggy Bottom and Rosslyn only have 1 entrance for tons of people. The rest of the stops are still small for the number of people and don’t have enough trains. We pack in there like sardines most days.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
my gf...
used to live by courthouse and we would take a train back from nats game across the river? oh, the humanity…
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 11, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
oh, god
that train is my absolute worst nightmare. It’s so bad, I walk up to the library of congress after games just to find somewhere where I can think.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
when i go back uptown...
i just take the circulator to union station. so much better.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 11, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Mmmm Court House
Some of the best looking girls there, IMO.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
To be fair
for a long time after those stations were built hardly anybody was using them. It’s only in the last 10 years or so that the use outgrew the space.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I'm envious of Friendship Heights.
They had three exits before the new Whole Foods opened and they added a fourth. FOUR EXITS/ENTRANCES?! Gallery Place doesn’t have that. I don’t think Metro Center has that.
Luckily in the morning Silver Spring is one of the first stops and having a blind mother means you always get two seats. In the afternoon everything thins up after Union Station so that’s nice.
I usually never have problems with the metro.
Where are my shoelaces?
Metro Center has 4
Now that I work there, I use them all with regularity. GP only has 3, but as far as ridership is concerned, it doesn’t see incredible traffic volume.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but why on earth does Friendship need that many exits?
There isn’t that much volume, is there?
Where are my shoelaces?
big roads?
all the exits make crossing wisconsin avenue unnecessary. not that other stations aren’t near big roads either. or that there aren’t crosswalks.
cxcxcxcxzzzzzzzzz
wait...
there’s a whole foods in friendship now? yeesh.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 11, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
White Flint is getting one too I believe
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
oh, congressional...
when i was in high school, i had a job doing catering runs out at sutton place gourmet (balducci’s now, maybe?) out in that strip mall in bethesda/rockville where south moon under is. good times.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 11, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
That's Wildwood Shopping Center
It’s called Balducci’s now, yes.
For the record, Congressional has some nice places (CONTAINER STORE!!!!) but that Whole Foods location was cramped and just bad.
Where are my shoelaces?
right...
wildwood.
wait, is congressional out on rockville pike?
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 11, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. It's one of the numerous strip malls.
Container Store, a bunch of gift shops, formerly Whole Foods, Baja Fresh etc. etc.
Where are my shoelaces?
You know what else is awesome?
I’m off tomorrow also! I’m gonna hang around the house today, go out to lunch, go to the bar and watch the Ravens, and sleep in again tomorrow.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
KILL MURDER STAB
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
by Andrew_G on Nov 11, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't be bitter
You don’t work for the government so I’m sure you make more money than me.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
False
I work for a private contractor and I get paid in peanuts.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Peanuts are good.
Especially when turned into butter form and combined with a chocolaty coating…mmmmm…..
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Food peanuts,
or packing peanuts?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
good grief!
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 11, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Compared to government pay, probably packing peanuts
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Circus Peanuts
you know, that awful orange halloween candy that some jackass house inevitably gave you.
Worst. Candy. Ever.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
the 90% carnuba wax candy corn is ready to throw down
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
necco...
has you all beat!
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 11, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Those were gross
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I loved those!
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
What's wrong with them?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
I guess maybe I'm the only person who was borderline offended at getting these while trick or treating
Hard candies are stupid.
Oh of course.
Great around the office or something, but I didn’t like getting them on Halloween.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
stupid, yes, but nowhere NEAR as stupid as
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Mmmmm, styrofoam.
"I believe in Earl Weaver's 'Big Inning Theory of Baseball.' The game was created by a Boog Powell three-run shot. You can look it up."
by Emperor Lrrr on Nov 11, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I sleep on a bed of money
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Murder Death Kill?
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
The picture didnt show
but I oh so dearly hope you were referencing Demolision Man. God damn I love that movie.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
The picture is showing on my screen...
Stallone and Snipes in all their glory. I thought I had finally beaten the dreaded image fail.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
you forgot sit in your underwear voting for Mobbies
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
well that goes without saying
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
AND vote for us in The Mobbies!!!!
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
I expect no less than 9,000 votes for CC onm The Mobbies today out of you.
Get to work on those alternate e-mail addresses and Twitter accounts and MySpace pages!
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
*ahem*
ATTENTION TONY: THIS WAS A “SNARKY” COMMENT. DUCK DOES NOT ACTUALLY CONDONE ANYONE VOTING 9,000 TIMES IN ONE DAY.
Just needed to get that out there so he doesn’t cry about it on his “blog”.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
What does "snarky" mean anyways?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
As per Urban Dictionary:
A witty mannerism, personality, or behavior that is a combination of sarcasm and cynicism.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
A snarky reply to my snarky comment?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
I was just gonna say this
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Pretty sure he was just being "snarky"
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
The ads for the Mobbies say
“Vote early and often.” Voting 9,000 times is just following the suggested voting guidelines.
You don't know that I didn't mean it
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I don't care about winning
I only care about who loses
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eff that - I want to win
why wouldn’t you want to win? Arbirary, sure, but winning is winning is winning.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I'm not too wrapped up in an online poll allowing multiple votes
But other people are. :)
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
it's stupid, but I still want to win
then we can say we won. That’s fun.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
we'd be back-to-back winners
best o’s blog for second year in a row. baltimore has spoken… again. etc.
I also want to win
If it’s worth participating in, I want to win. Obvi.
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So, question extension
word today is the Mets are putting one of their big names on the trading block: Jose Reyes. What is the absolute most you are willing to give up for him? Is it Troy Patton and Kam Mickolio, or is it Zach Britton and Josh Bell, or what?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Cesar Izturis
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by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, this.
We’d just have Reyes for 2011. Seems pointless to give up anything for that, even if it’s just a maybe-useful reliever or two.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I was just being stupid
But, I agree…..wouldn’t give up much for a year of Reyes.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
well, think about it...
he’s at 11 mill for 2011, so taking him on would also provide significant salary relief for the mets.
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by j.q. higgins on Nov 11, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
No reason to think an extension (if the O's wanted to do that) couldn't be reached.
He isn’t rep’d by Boras.
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by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
so when I hear the name Jose Reyes
I think of a whiny guy who is probably older than advertised. Is that wrong of me?
Well, he's advertised as 28. So even if he is, say, 30 or 31 he is still younger than anything else available in the SS market.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
But requires a heftier (sp?) price...
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by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Well, true, but his performance dictates that.
He ain’t Max-Izzy with the stick in his hands.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
he's not a problem for clubhouses
remember that everything he does is magnified by 100 because of the fact that he’s in NY and their situation was just a total mess.
plus, he offers some crazy speed. he’s worth Patton and Mickolio, even when we have them we don’t use the, so just jettison those two and make a move. at the very least it’s symbolic that the O’s are ready to start winning now, not in 2 years, now.
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by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
We aren't getting him for Patton and Mickolio
and I dont think Andrew was suggestiong that we could, just that some people would give up almost nothing to get Reyes because they dont think he’s worth it.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
yup, this
I don’t know what I think one year of Reyes is worth to the Orioles. Probably not enough to warrant a trade.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
what about resigning him?
he’s not a Boras client so maybe there’s something he could bring to the table? assume that we’re on the cusp of a playoff berth around mid-season. would a trade for Reyes be warranted then even if it cost us Bergesen/Tillman and a couple of low level prospects?
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by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
maybe
if we’re on the cusp of a playoff berth than that’s a wildly different scenario than our present condition.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
well duh
but we’re just spitballing here so I thought I’d throw it out there
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Pro Football South
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by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
haha welcome.
It’s nice, right?
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sometimes
when I log into a computer that’s not mine and it’s on narrow, I feel really claustrophobic.
cxcxcxcxzzzzzzzzz
Narrow view is now dead to you. Better to not look back at the horror.
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by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
What is this "wide view" you speak of?
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by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Don't see it
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by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
It's in the gray box at the top right
Where there is a link for a new fanpost or fanshot.
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Nothin' wrong with the word "thingy"
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
oh, that's a colloquialism thingy, isn't it?
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Oh snap!
All of my problems are solved and my cares gone. Wide view is the best thing since sliced bread.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Who would I deal?
JJ – middle relievers are always a good thing to pump in value and then deal at peak value
3E1N – Love him, but lack of K’s is worrisome
Tillman – Concern about his HRs, though I have not lost faith
Luke Scott – He’s going to be a FA in 2 years, but I don’t think he nets us anything rally given all the free agents with similar skills.
Librarians are hiding something
how can lack of K's bother you about 3E1N?
He’s always been a groundball pitcher. Baseball is filled with guys who’ve had success with that formula. I will never understand this obsession. The statistic that matters is outs, not strikeouts.
With nearly 300 IP under his belt, he is a well-above-average ML pitcher. Someone has to pitch 4th or 5th, and he’s an excellent candidate with years of team control.
Besides, 4.5K per 9 is not exactly low.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I will never understand this obsession. The statistic that matters is outs, not strikeouts
These are the same people who think errors are the only fielding statistic that matters.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Seems to me...
I take the Malcolm X approach to pitchers getting outs: By Any Means Necessary.
If the guy sits down after 3 strikes, great. If the guy lines out to RF, great. Sure, flyballs allow the possibility of SAC flies, but I’ll take a pitcher who can get 21 outs a night while allowing 2 or fewer runs once every 5 days no matter what method he uses to get them.
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
plus,
strikeouts tend to bring higher pitchcounts. I don’t know what the average is, but I’d guess that a typical strikeout is a 5-6 pitch AB, and a typical flyout is a 4-5 pitch AB.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I seem to remember some research saying that's not true
But I can’t try to find it right now. I’ll look it up later, though. Or if someone else has it, by all means, please share.
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even if that is true
and it might be – I have no idea – the flyout has a non-trivial percentage to be a base hit, double, triple, or home run. The strikeout is always an out.
And on top of that I’m inclined to say that strikeouts don’t drive up pitch counts even if they do take slightly more pitches than batted balls. I’m saying walks and wildness in general lead to high pitch counts. Which is why Cliff Lee throws so many complete games (led the league with 7). No wildness there.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
umm, this makes no sense.
the flyout has a non-trivial percentage to be a base hit, double, triple, or home run. The strikeout is always an out
A flyout is always an out as well. Its “percentage to be a base hit” cannot be measured anymore than a strikeout’s “percentage to be a walk” or a base hit or a flyout.
You’re just making up shit. No offense.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Pretty sure he meant 'flyball'
as in, anything that is not a strikeout has a non-trivial % to lead to a baserunner since it is dependent on your fielders making the play. A strike out is always an out. A ball put in play is not always an out.
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by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
A strike out is always an out
Not true. Plus, a ball not put in play could easily not be a strike.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
that's fair
but a pitcher can’t make flyouts. He can maybe make flyballs, but he can’t make flyouts. He can make strikeouts. Which still have a much, much, much higher percentage of actually being outs than flyballs.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
He can maybe make flyballs, but he can’t make flyouts. He can make strikeouts.
No, he can’t. A pitcher can make strikes. He can’t make strikeouts. Only a batter can make a strikeout, by missing a ball or by watching it go buy. And only a fielder can make a flyout, by catching a ball, or not catching it. In both cases, the pitcher is dependent on someone else. SO all you can go on is past performance.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I don't even know what you're saying anymore
but I think you’re insulting me and I don’t like it.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
seriously?
You seriously think I’m insulting you? I don’t see where you’re getting that.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
No, not really
but I am in fact not sure what you’re saying.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
OK
first off, I said “making up shit above”, and that was probably a little insulting, so I retract. ;)
2nd, my point is, it takes two to tango, sometimes 3. There’s always a pitcher and a batter, and sometimes, there’s a fielder. My point is, no one type of out has any kind of higher or lower percentage of being another kind of out. It’s a nonsensical argument.
You can argue that a ball in play has a higher percentage of being an hit than an out or whatever. You can argue that a ball out of the strikezone has a higher percentage of turning into a walk than a ball in play. But you can’t argue that a flyout is more likely to be a basehit than a strikeout. Once it’s a flyout, its result is already known. It can’t be more likely to be anything else.
Clearer?
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
*actually
remove the whole, “2 or 3 to tango” part above that’s a separate discussion.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
* fuck
insert a semi after “above” in the previous comment.
i’m imploding here.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
oh, sure sure
totally my fault. I should have just said that a pitcher can’t force a flyout he can only force a flyball, and a flyball <<<< a strikeout.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
right, but
a pitcher can’t force a strikeout either. that’s my other point.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
He can't FORCE a strikeout
But he can certainly pitch in a way (if he has the talent) that makes them a lot more likely.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
and a pitcher can pitch in a way that makes ground balls more likely.
which dovetails right back to my original point.
It doesn’t matter what the K-rate is. It matters what the out rate is. You can say a low BABIP is important, then let’s talk about that. But unless you can find an ironclad correlation between K-rate and BABIP, the K-rate is irrelevant.
As I said above,
Scott McGregor.
Career BABIP: .278. Career K-rate, 3.8.
vs.
3E1N
Career BABIP: 288. Career K-rate, 4.5, which is higher than Scotty.
So obviously, those two stats are not inextricably linked.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I'm not saying that Bergy isn't a good pitcher
or that he can’t being successful. But I will always argue that a pitcher who strikes out more batters will be more effective in his career than one who puts balls in play because the more balls put in play, the more hits or errors will occur. It’s the difference between Jamie Moyer and Pedro Martinez.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
But I will always argue that a pitcher who strikes out more batters will be more effective in his career than one who puts balls in play because the more balls put in play, the more hits or errors will occur.
What the fuck? Danny Cabrera used to strikeout 7 or 8 people per game. Where’s his career?
K-per-9 is an interesting statistic that can help predict how effective someone will be. But if two pitchers are effective overall, then they are effective overall, and K-per-9 does not make one better than the other.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
PS, Want to continue, have to step away
It’s not because i’m hiding.
Y’all can have the last word.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Well like I said in that other post where I mentioned Moyer and Pedro
It’s also about K/BB. His career K/9 might be 6.8 but his BB/9 is 5.24.
Also, what I’m saying is in regards to someone who is actually good enough to stick in the major leagues. It’s the difference between a good pitcher and a great pitcher. Cabrera’s career BABIP is .301 because he sucked.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Just thinking here, no looking up of stats
But, towards the end of the year, Bergy was magically pumping fastballs in 92-94 range. If he keeps that up wouldn’t it be safe to say his K rate would go up?
I’m just going off the top of my head here, but wasn’t Bergy a bit of a softer thrower before? Or am I just thinking of a game or two here?
"I know the save rule, believe me. But it doesn't carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better." - Buck Showalter
What's the point of "just thinking"?
Why not see if his k rate actually went up?
He was DEFINITELY throwing much harder at the end of the year though. You are not imagining things there.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Well,
I have no idea how to tell at which point Bergy started throwing harder to make a comparison. However, looking at his strikeouts on baseball reference would indicate that his K rate went down if it changed at all the last couple months of the season. Also, extremely small sample size.
I was trying to understand the notion that if a player throws harder, is it true he gets more strikeouts? If this is true and Bergy were to maintain a faster fastball next season, then we could make a more viable comparison of his K rate.
"I know the save rule, believe me. But it doesn't carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better." - Buck Showalter
I think fangraphs has the answers.
They have velocity charts by game.
But I don’t think that’s necessarily true that throwing harder directly results in more K’s. Lots of guys CAN throw harder than they do, but when they throw harder they lose movement and location, which make them more hittable.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
but a groundball still puts a runner on base sometimes
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
everything can put a runner on base sometimes.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Right so the point is making it as unlikely as possible.
Strikeouts make it significantly less likely than groundballs.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I completely agree with that.
But that wasn’t really the point being made.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
I can't even remember the point that was being made
Which probably means I should bow out of the conversation. But I’ll just say that strikeouts>ground balls>fly balls. The end.
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by Stacey on Nov 11, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
All this started from DFA saying he was concerned about Bergy's K/9 rate
and, on a different note, how are all you Wide View newbies enjoying this thread?
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by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
It has changed my life.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
mind blown
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
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by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
what have i done?
Again, I like 3E1N, but if the Dbacks wanted to trade Reynolds for 3E1N and JJ, I’d be down.
Librarians are hiding something
I'd rather send DH than JJ, but I'm with you
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
It wasn't? I thought that was exactly the point.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
No....the argument was that you have to have K's to stick in the MLB
which just isn’t true. More likely yes, but you can be plenty good and not strike out lots of guys.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
nobody made that argument
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
DFA did.
that was the original post.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
no, he said he was concerned
and I think it’s valid.
Everybody agrees that 3E’s ceiling is 4 or 5 starter, right? I haven’t heard any complaints about that. Well, in addition to that, can we agree that you will get some really nice games out of him but also some really crummy ones? We’ve certainly seen that already from the guy.
So, because he relies on babip so much instead of strikeouts, that’s the kind of guy he is and has to be. And that makes his ceiling an uneven 4th or 5th starter.
And I think being concerned with that enough to suggest making him available in a trade is totally valid
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
not to mention
if you’re going to be an extreme GB pitcher with low SOs, then you need a really high GB% to get by. 3E1N really isn’t an extreme GB pitcher.
Your mother.
sure he can
if he has the stuff to miss bats, as they say, then he will strike guys out.
Obviously you can’t look at any one at bat (unless it’s Pat Burrell in the World Series) and say any one thing is a majority favorite to happen…but over the course of a season, a pitcher with swing-and-miss stuff will get a lot of strikeouts.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Not aware of the “miss bats” statistic.
All we’re talking about here is over the course of the season. If over the course of last season, Bergy gets a lot of outs, I don’t care one whit whether they are strikeouts or groundouts. That’s all I’m saying. You seem to be saying “what if the groundouts aren’t REALLY groundouts?”, and I’m saying, “no, we’re talking about something that’s already happened.” and you can’t convince me that someone with a higher K-rate is going to be better at getting outs than someone who gets outs in a different way.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
man, get away from the outs aren't outs thing
I mistyped. It happens.
What I am saying is that if the pitcher isn’t getting strikeouts, then he will give up more hits. Because the pitcher who strikeouts a batter will have a baserunner 5% of the time (or less), and the pitcher who gives up a batted ball will have a baserunner 30% of the time.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
and yet
if the pitcher isn’t getting strikeouts, then he will give up more hits.
Scott McGregor vs. Bergy disproves this.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
That's just isn't true
Much better chance, yes, but “he will give up more hits” is just a generalization.
Anyways, I agree with what you’re saying, that USUALLY a guy who strikes out fewer has a greater chance of giving up hits, but you can definitely find examples of where that isn’t true.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
fine fine
let me rephrase for the last time:
“If we take two pitchers, A and B, and A strikes out more hitters than B, then you can expect that A will give up fewer hits than B. But no guarantees.”
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
See...I still disagree with that.
There are lots of strikeout pitchers that give up tons of hits. There are non-strikeout pitchers that don’t give up tons of hits. I fully agree with you that not striking out guys definitely sets you up to give up more hits, but I really don’t think its something that’s expected.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
examples?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
if he can can up with "lots" of examples
saber studies are built on datasets of pitchers. there will be always be individuals who break away from what the groups does. but that doesn’t undermine the group trend.
Your mother.
well great
way to ruin my reply!
also I’d say to look at home run rates.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
im just kidding around with you
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Yeah
I was going to say – the examples of Bergesen (although he’s a particularly weak example since he’s only had success for around 225 innings) and McGregor are really meaningless.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
and very limited success at that
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
That’s bullshit. No data point is meaningless. Just because they don’t go along with the group doesn’t mean they don’t have any value.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
I don't mean that they are meaningless in an absolute sense.
Just that they are meaningless in assessing the trends and building an organization. Building an organization around guys that are exceptions to rules doesn’t seem like an intelligent way to do things. If they can trade an exception before he becomes part of the rule that would be a prudent move.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
of course
but it won’t prove anything (for your argument) if I can give ten counters for every example you have.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Yea I understand how that works
But giving me 10 counters doesn’t negate the fact that the examples do exist. Sure, they don’t help you assess any trend, but they still exist. Not saying Bergesen is one of them, but it is possible. There are a fair number of pitchers who have enjoyed success without striking out ridiculous numbers.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
But that's exactly the point and all that DFA was saying
he worries about his k rate and so he’d be ok to trade him. I don’t get what’s controversial about that. Is his K rate low? yes. Has history shown us that pitchers with low k rates struggle to maintain high performance? yes. So what’s the problem? Nobody was saying Bergy sucks because his K rate is low, just that they worry about his long-term efficacy because of it.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
That really isn't what zk and I were arguing with Andrew
but you are correct: that was the original argument.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
ok...in that case I don't know what you were arguing...
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Me either
we’ve been all over the map.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
wait, what were we arguing about then?
I never said strikeouts are the only thing keeping pitchers in the league. Heck, that doesn’t even encompass half of DIPS theory.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Have I?
I don’t think so. I love arguing about sabrmetrics. It’s like eating ice cream. I know its counterproductive and whatever, but I just can’t stop.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
even wide-mode has it's limitations....
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by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
I agree a million percent
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Nah nah.....calm down
He’s just arguing against your point.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure where to put this, so I'm just replying to this post
But one thing that’s been proven through advanced stats is that over his career, a pitcher good enough to play in the majors is going to have a BABIP in the neighborhood of .280. So the less the ball gets put into play the better. So the higher your K rate and the higher your K/BB rate, the more effective of a pitcher you are because those are things that happen without the ball being put into play.
I feel like that’s what you’re getting at, Andrew although I didn’t really see you put it that way. I remember we discussed this awhile ago and O’sFan21 couldn’t believe until he looked up and saw that Pedro Martinez and Jamie Moyer have almost the same career BABIP.
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yes, but
what I asserted is, outs matter, not strikeouts.
You can’t refute that by saying, “some of your outs might not be outs”. We’re talking about results that have already happened, not results that might hypothetically have been other results.
If a pitcher tends to have a low rate of outs to non-outs (let’s say, WHIP), that is more important to me than his K rate. Or, put plainly, I’d rahter have a 1.2 WHIP and a 2K per 9 guy than a 1.7 WHIP and a 9K per 9 guy.
However you refute that, you can’t start the discussion by saying, “some of those outs might now be outs.” By definition, they ARE outs. It’s as nonsensical as if I said, “some of those strikeouts might be walks.”
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
* "not be outs" in the last ¶ above.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I replied above, but I'll reiterate
a pitcher can’t make flyouts or groundouts or lineouts. Only flyballs and groundballs and line drives.
And a 2K guy with a 1.2 WHiP? Probably doesn’t exist over the longterm.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
That was my first thought
But I know I can’t argue about what the stats represent
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by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Naw...I really can't
I can make shit up, but I don’t know enough about the random fangraphs stats to make an argument to refute them.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
disagree
sinkerballers will still have a batting average on balls in play around .290. If they can’t strike guys out, then batting average allowed will be high – and could spike with the normal random fluctuations in the BABiP statistic. 3E1N can limit the homers, but even so without the strikeouts he’s never going to be a piece worth building around. He’s a compliment at the back end of the rotation.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
And there's not a thing wrong with having a #4 in place for the next 5+ years, hopefully.
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
well, it's aiming low is all
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not at all...
unless they don’t back him up w/ a respectable infield.
it is worth noting, however, that he had a decent k rate in the second half, though his best k rates seemed to coincide w/ a spike in hrs allowed.
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by j.q. higgins on Nov 11, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
he switched from the two seamer to the four seamer
which….makes him not a sinkerballer. Dun dun dun!
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
huh?
did he switch or just expand and improve his use of the four seamer?
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-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 11, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
I can't explain it as well as the master can
http://camdencrazies.com/2010/10/19/2010-orioles-retrospective-brad-bergesen/
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Shameless self-promotion:
http://www.camdenchat.com/2010/9/9/1678706/is-brad-bergesen-back
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
well there you go
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I don't believe that
If they can’t strike guys out, then batting average allowed will be high
That just isn’t a true statement. Possibly, and rather likely, but not necessarily true.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I should say
“then batting average allowed can be expected to be high”
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
back end of the rotation is exactly what I said
nobody was suggesting building around him. he’s a piece that gets built around others. you can’t have all of your guys be guys you “build around”.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
well, then he's certainly tradeable
wasn’t THAT the original point?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Yes
I like 3E1N. I think he projects as a back end of the rotation starter (not that there’s anything wrong with that). And as such, I think if another team values him highly, he should be dealt. Though again, I have no problem with him!
Librarians are hiding something
I guess it was. Fair point.
But trading him just leaves another hole. I think you trade guys who aren’t already filling a hole first.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Also, Scott MacGregor.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Bergesen's a ground ball pitcher
sinkerballers in general just don’t warrant k’s. keep Bergesen.
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by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Mark Reynolds is also being shopped by the D-Backs, according to MLBTR
The D-Backs are looking for “relievers and contact hitters”. We have plenty of the former, not too much of the latter…
Any interest?
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Well, then the O's might as well just sign Pena if they want a 1B w/ pop who will K a lot and hit around .200
He’ll come cheaper.
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by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
what are your feelings on Bell?
that’s my thing. Personally I would like to see him start at 3B next year. I have no factual or statistical evidence to back that up but I feel more confident with Bell starting at 3B in 2011 than I did Miggi in 2010. But thats just me.
he needs more seasoning
I’d be down for Reynolds, but only if the price is something like David Hernandez and (looks around for a “contact hitter”)…uh, somebody.
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LJ
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOES!!!!!!!!!!
(sorry. just felt the need to throw out a Hoes shout.)
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by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
NO
he is the only untouchable in the system for me.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
haha of course he is
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Bell still has some learning to do, and I wouldn't mind to see him start the year at AAA
Bring back Wiggs to man 3rd to start the season, and then if Bell has learned how to take a walk or gotten his K% down to more reasonable levels he can be brought back up.
Long term, he certainly has the potential to be a solid, not great, 3B.
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by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
and thats what i figured you would say
as you should along with 95% everyone else. I just have this gut feeling on him. Just like my gut feeling on Moldy last year (not that moldy needed seasoning – just saying).
itd be nice if he had the opportuntity to win the job in Spring Training
oh wait, no that would be stupid. Even if he’s ready, some more seasoning won’t hurt him. And he certainly hasn’t lit up AAA to prove that he deserves more chances.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
it also depends on FA
I think his D was good enough to keep him in the lineup. If they land a legit 1B with power that can solidify the top 3rd of the lineup than Bell in the 8/9 hole doesn’t seem too bad beings he will be taught by Buck and his bunch in the Majors. Clearly if they get a 3B that they intend to use as the #4 hitter than yeah get him and send Bell down – but I am not sure who they would get realistically to be that guy.
Bell in the 9 hole is still horrifying
he on-based .224 last year with almost no power. He’ll have to come into camp as a totally different player to justify being the worst everyday hitter in baseball.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Izzy totally outhit Bell
room for improvement, sure, but is he going to improve while being in a permanent slump against the AL East?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
maybe?
he was remarkably unlucky (.257 BABIP) last year, but still boosted his walk rate and popped 32 home runs. conversely, he suffered a pretty remarkable ld % dip and his k rate also increased, though, perhaps there’s a case to be made that perhaps he was pressing a bit.
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-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 11, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
This is fun
http://www.murraychass.com/?p=2597
"I looked at the list of 16 voters," Miller said, seeing no reason to be optimistic. For example, noting that Jim Palmer was one of the voters, Miller said, "Jim Palmer was a great pitcher, but he was an anti-union sonuvabitch. There are others, not in Palmer’s class but in the doubtful class."
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Ok so listen to this
According to this guy Avi on Twitter who goes by the handle 2131andBeyond, there was a huge fight in yesterday’s DR game and it ended up being forfeited and Felix Pie had to be restrained from hitting an umpire and now he’s probably going to be suspended.
I don’t know how much of that is true, there aren’t any links that I can find yet, but this kid Avi was talking to a reporter in the DR last night who told him about it.
I love the internet.
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unless there is spit
this is a non-story. stupid ump probably told him he wasn’t adorable. btw you sounded so 13 years old in that post.
here
http://www.estrellasorientales.com.do/noticias.php?id=679
you have to translate or speak spanish…
google translation is bad
but it sounds as if felix was out and the fans threw stuff on the field. seems like he was just pissed and it was more the fans causing the forfeit than pie.
but please correct me if I am wrong
You make me sound like a 6 year old who makes sh*t up
I don’t. Jeez. It’s legit, so let’s give Avi some credit here, and not make him sound like a moron. Pweez?
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by 2131andBeyond on Nov 11, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't say it wasn't legit
But when I posted that you had two sentences from a reporter on Twitter. Relax.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
P.S. Here's the Google translate version of that paragraph
The measure of referee John Tumpane was because the fans started throwing objects after the closure of the entry number 11 All-Star outfielder Felix Pie, was put out at first, prompting an angry protest Player and which led to their expulsion from the party by the arbitrator first Holy Castle. At that time Foot was first and Argenis Reyes at second with two outs and Dusty Broun at bat.
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by 2131andBeyond on Nov 11, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Felix Pie sera citado para comparecer ante el presidente de la Liga
New update: Felix Pie will be subpoenaed to appear before the League President
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by 2131andBeyond on Nov 11, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
"Rosterbation" haha
http://dockoftherays.com/2010/11/11/possible-trade-idea/
But seriously, Jim Johnson for Bartlett….thoughts?
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
one year of Bartlett for 3 or 4 years of Jim Johnson?
I’m inclined to pass, not because JJ is important or anything (though I like him) but because Bartlett doesn’t transform the 2011 team in any notable way outside of not having Izzy to kick around. Which is to say, if we’re trading for Bartlett, this is a good deal…but why trade for Bartlett?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
he's not really that much of an upgrade over izzy...
at the plate (hey, izzy had a pretty good season at the plate in his 20s, too!) and he’s not nearly as good in the field.
shit…am i defending cesar izturis?
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-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 11, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Bartlett for JJ?
That’s an odd rumor.
By the fans. For the fans. Orioles-Nation.
Not a rumor. Just a mental exercise from a writer who follows the Rays.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but seems like he has some basis for it
Maybe not
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by 2131andBeyond on Nov 11, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Rubicon fan(s)
I just saw it did not get renewed.
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Best NFL Mock Draft entry I've seen in a while:
29) Baltimore Ravens: Joseph Barksdale, OT, LSU
Jared Gaither can’t get on the field because of back issues. Back problems seldom go away, so if Gaither continues to miss action, Baltimore will have to look at a right tackle early in the 2011 NFL Draft.
This pick has to happen. I’m not even a Ravens fan, and I’d buy a Baltimore jersey that says “Barksdale” on the back.
then some other guys can buy Slash's old Raven's uni
and then we can play some basketball
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I agree 100%
That would be, dare I say it… legendary.
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by Eat More Esskay on Nov 11, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
the envelope's been off the table for years now
they basically just lit it on fire after the color-shifting helmet stunt they pulled a couple of years ago.
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Pro Football South
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by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
I think its time for a new argument unrelated to K-rates. I propose:
Cheese: what isn’t it good on?
or
Rigging Internet polls: Best means of obtaining online superiority over pretend rivals
let's talk about how the Mobbies are for "Maryland's Outstanding Blogs," and yet it's almost entirely Baltimore-focused
At the very least, shouldn’t there be a Redskins category?
Its pretty much universally accepted
that any county not directly adjacent to baltimore city doesn’t actually count.
I think Mobtown is a historical nickname for Baltimore
which makes the subtitle of “Maryland’s Outstanding Blogs” even more ridiculous
I think it's a play on Mobtown
But technically the Mob is Maryland’s Outstanding Blogs.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Tell me about it
Here’s a fun waste of time…
Name the last MPSSAA championship sontest held outside Central Maryland.
Trick question, of course.
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
The Sun doesn't pick the nominees, it's all based who someone enters into the contest
I’d imagine DC based blogs don’t pay much attention to the Baltimore Sun.
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The Walking Dead: best topic since cheese and what it goes on?
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Pro Football South
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by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
were you a fan of Mad Men?
my mom was severely pissed when she looked for Mad Men and got zombies
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Pro Football South
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by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't like the Mad Men finale
but I miss it so. On the other hand: braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaains
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I don't know why we haven't discussed
how the stuff that happens later on is going to be shown on tv. people are gonna just shit bricks when everything hits the fan.
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Pro Football South
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by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
oh god yes
if the show makes it to the Governor (which is when I gave up on the books)….oh holy sweet hey-zeus.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
oh you haven't seen anything yet...
you need to keep reading, it only gets better (and a lot more heart-wrenchingly sad but…) and I’ve scanned them all if you’re interested…
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
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by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
comics just got too expensive
and I’m not really willing to copyright infringe. Heck I loved Hellboy much more but havent read any for two years.
maybe a good christmas/birthday present idea, though.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
well
then you haven’t truly seen how mean these writers are. some fucked up stuff starts happening after it turns out the Governor’s alive.
(not a spoiler, come on they tell you in like the next issue)
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
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by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
well there was a lot of shit before that, too
but, really, after Rick yells at the zombies in the prison, that was the climax I needed from the story. I disconnected after that, very, very satisfied. And I kinda hope the show does something similar, too…if it can earn that moment.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
that would be a nice place to stop
did you get to the part where Tyrese just tools all of those zombies in the gym? I can’t remember if it’s before or after that…that’ll have to be an awesome scene. this is all assuming they make it that far but it’s promising out of the gate.
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Pro Football South
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by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
I've heard that the show has already deviated from the books in some key ways
so who knows where they’ll take it
minor ways, mostly
michael rooker’s character was a show invention, but the plot has been largely the same so far.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I don't think this is too spoilery, and i only watched episode one
but the guy who reviews it for the the AV Club was intrigued by the helicopter, and seemed to think that could be a significant deviation down the road.
oh, you know, I had totally forgotten about that
but yeah, it probably will be important
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
there was a chopper after they reach their "refuge"
remember it takes them to the Governor?
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Pro Football South
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by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, I figured it was theirs
either that or Peter and Francine from Dawn of the Dead passing by on their way home from the mall.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
did you hear MTV is making a TV series about DaOD?
I’m apprehensive to say the least.
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Pro Football South
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by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, i'm a bit worried
I hate anything that sullies the name of some of my all time favorites (the recent “Day of the Dead” remake-ish movie being a prime example), and Dawn is far too precious to me to see destroyed. I’ll give it a shot but I have many doubts.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
poor flyboy
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
i always laugh...
my bro-in law, also a zombie enthusiast, looks an awful lot like flyboy.
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-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 11, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
because not everyone has read the books and they don't want to know
If y’all want to create a Fan Post to discuss the books where I can know not to look, go for it. Otherwise, shutty.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I don't THINK we've ruined anything yet...
but yeah, this isn’t going to just follow the mold of the books (which is unfortunate IMO…)
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Pro Football South
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by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think so, especially since they have the author's approval and input
Its not like the books are perfect. Also, it gives something for people who have read the books something to look foward to. You might have some idea whats coming, but you’ll never know for sure. I think it’d be pretty boring if you knew the whole story before it even started.
I was interested in the way they were planning on portraying some of the stuff that happens later on
which, I think you know, gets pretty gruesome, but I agree, the books weren’t perfect. they were pretty damn good though. best graphic novel I’ve ever read, that’s for sure.
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Pro Football South
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by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
that explains it...
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Pro Football South
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by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
ahahhah I only did that
Because I knew kba watched it but wasn’t sure if anyone else here did. I didn’t mean in the world there might only be one fan, just here.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Juan Samuel signed with the Phillies
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Ha-lay-lou-ya!
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
so who does that leave us with?
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by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Somebody other than Juan Samuel
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
I'd take an unmanned 3rd base coach box over Juan Samuel
But I’m not as fast as Brian Roberts or Matt Wieters, so I’d have to be certain I could score.
Librarians are hiding something
You're not as fast as Matt Wieters?
That’s unfortunate.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Damn.....so you're like Bengie Molina?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 11, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
The O's are without a 3B coach and a bench coach.
I believe they filled the 1B coach position, but I could be wrong on that for I certainly don’t remember who they did hire.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Wayne Kirby
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I'll tell you who it doesn't leave us with
Mike Bordick. Those assholes haven’t even called him.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Fuckers.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THEM, NOT CALLING EVERYONE AND SUCH
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
It's pretty damn impolite, that's for sure
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
by duck on Nov 11, 2010 7:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The city folks have no manners duck, you know that.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Nov 11, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
See, I'd invite him down for some crab toast at Flavor's
Buy him a beer, and say, “Mike, hate to tell ya, but Buck’s going in another direction. Next beer’s on me.”
Is that so hard?
Y’all city folks is rude.
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
And in the meantime the Yankees are in Arkansas wooing Cliff Lee
while Andy MacPhail is being polite to Mike Bordick. It’s a dog eat dog world out there, duck. Bordick can deal.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
by Stacey on Nov 12, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The crab toast at Flavor's is AMAZING, though
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
How hard to watch was it?
I can’t deal with that shit, but I sort of want to see it.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
If you’re referring to the famous scene, it’s brutal. Very difficult to watch. My buddy couldn’t even watch it. He also said what he did was heroic since most people wouldn’t have the guts to do the deed I thought it was more gutsy than heroic but I wonder how I would have handled the same situation.
Your mother.
Now on my day off I've decided to watch a few episodes of Arrested Development
I decided to rewatch the series, I’m on the second disc of season 1.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
teamocil is no longer available.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
unless...
you’re an analyst-therapist.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 11, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
I've been watching The X-Files again.
About a third of the way through season 2. Scully just came out of her coma.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Nov 11, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Orioles go from 2 teams in the Dominican to 1
Does this matter? I don’t know much about Dominican scouting other than ‘hey, we should be spending money down there.’
On one hand having two teams seems like you catch more fish with a bigger net. On the other hand, quality is more important than quantity.
Librarians are hiding something
Wow, has anyone read the Jeter article on Bleacher Report?
This one’s all kinds of special. As much as B-R is avoided here, its good for a laugh (RBIs! Fielding Percentage!)
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/510665-derek-jeter-the-ridiculous-stupid-clueless-speculation-continues
Its so good in fact, BtB is basically having a contest to refute it.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2010/11/11/1808338/saber-adventures-in-diplomacy-volume-1-jeterade
that...is...so...special
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
There was one commenter who said, "ESPN is a bunch of Red Sox fans..."
NO, commenter, ESPN is a bunch of Red Sox AND Yankees fans.
Where are my shoelaces?
I can't pick just one part
but boy, it really makes you wonder how far we’ve come when it comes to applying common sense to baseball analysis if this is all the better most folks get/want.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
You can collectively shut up now.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
GWOW!
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 11, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
i made my opinion be known
commence trolling in 5, 4, 3, 2…
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"
by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
aaaaand they've deleted my comment!
thanks BR!
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"
by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
care to share?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
with pleasure!
“this report is a fail…RBIs? fielding percentage? INTANGIBLES??? you’re a headcase, that’s all there is to it. if you honestly think his fielding percentage is a big deal then it’s not just denial anymore, you’re just an idiot. here’s a statistic; you won’t be charged with errors on balls you can’t get to 100% of the time. people who follow baseball joke about how much people say that Jeter has intangibles but we never actually thought someone would be dumb enough to go ahead and say it then try to back it up. so this is what analysis has come to. let’s not get started on the whole RBI thing…there are plenty of better leadoff hitters/short stops who recorded fewer RBIs this season simply because the teams they were on didn’t have very good hitting 7-9. there’s plenty of other reasons that RBIs can’t be trusted, that’s the main one.
that being said, I don’t think Jeter is a bad player necessarily, he’s just not a good player either; he’s stuck somewhere in the twilight zone between them.”
re-posted it, let’s see how they react…
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"
by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
i've decided that anyone who take a profile pic with his hand in a L shape is a douche.
and i really wish darcy would respond to hagar’s substantive points.
Your mother.
Anyone who lsts their favorite teams as Yankees and Cowboys is a douche
regardless of hand shape.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
see James, Lebron.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Nov 11, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
see Harper, Bryce
list of teams include: Duke b-ball, Cowboys, Lakers, Yankees.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"
by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Couldn't make it all the way through
Pray tell, how does it end? With someone using the jaws of life to pull Darcy Fournier’s head (that can’t be a real name, btw) out of the Capn’s butt cheeks?
by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 11, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Posters named Jim Hagar, and Derek Smith basically
get him to begrudgingly admit that Cap’n Jeets didn’t deserve his most recent, or for that matter any, GG because he’s not the greatest SS in MLB. He never addresses the Ichiro v. Jeter stats.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
The thing that kills me about Bleacher Report
this is the kind of thing that gets posted on BR all the time. I mean, not necessarily THIS laughable, but even still. And yet BR is connected to more and more newspapers all the time as part of their online content.
This story has gotten over 17K views. Obviously it’s because of how moronic it is, but even still. BR does not deserve that kind of traffic.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
BR lists
Why is everything in some silly ass list at that place. Top 1000 blah, blah, blah. I usually make it through the first 2…kind of like the Jeter piece.
by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 11, 2010 6:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
His over-the-top use of "sophisticated" language actually had the opposite effect than what he was going for.
It just made him seem dumb.
Where are my shoelaces?
since i remember some people here being fond of 27b/6
http://www.27bslash6.com/bob.html
I am sick to death of dealing with you designers. Being able to draw and dressing like women doesn’t make you special. You have no idea who you are dealing with.
I've been trying to read this all day but I keep getting a broken link for some reason.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
there is a big uproar on reddit atm
about 27bslash6 losing about 140 orders for their book, not refunding the purchase price, not responding to emails about those orders for months at a time, and then posting personal information on reddit in a passive aggressive manner.
OH MY GOODNESS
I have never seen this website before. Thank you for the new timesuck!
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Luke snubbed for DH Silver Slugger.
Not that I’m at all surprised.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
who won
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"
by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Vladdy.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Behold,
the power of RBI over OBP.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
What is this OBP you speak of?
We all know runs and RBI are all that matter for offensive stats.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
well
he carried that team pretty well at the beginning of the season. I mean, come on, it is the Silver Slugger, not the Opal OBP, they’re gonna keep giving it to the guy that hits the ball really fucking far that way and drives in runs, walks are boring!
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"
by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
I know, I know.
I don’t get my hopes up for guys like Luke to win, but it’s just silly how much these awards depend on near-meaningless stats like RBI and fielding percentage.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Eh
Luke Scott had a better slugging percentage too.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Luke didn't DH all the time tho did he?
I’m okay with Vladdy winning it. He was just as good as Scott and was the full time DH.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 12, 2010 7:58 AM EST up reply actions
If you want to say the 129 games as opposed to 89 games at DH matters fine
but he wasn’t just as good at Scott and it wasn’t all that close. 60 points in OPS and 20 points in OPS+ is not a small margin.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
does anyone know what to make of all of this about college players getting cash/benefits?
I’m finding it hard to give less of a shit but people are getting really upset.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"
Well, I've accepted that college players are getting paid for some time now, but
it’s still pretty brazen to read that a father is demanding “$100-$180 grand” in order for his son to come to a college because “this time, it ain’t going to be free”. Just seems quite pimpish to me.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
well yeah but why do WE care?
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"
by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Because the myth of the 'amateur athlete' is still prevalent and alluring
and ESPN is going to pound this into their viewing audience’s head because it’s a gossipy story and ESPN is the TMZ of the sports world.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
that's what I feel like
I know, it’s against the rules, it’s morally not the best thing to do, but worse things have happened than our friend Reggie Bush taking a little extra spending money for scoring touchdowns which is, ironically enough, now his job.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"
by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, without a doubt.
I find it more disturbing that the NCAA exploits the hell out these kids in various ways with no compensation. Should they be paid during their playing days? That is open for discussion. Should they be compensated at some point post graduation for the attention and revenue that they bring to a program? I certainly think so. Someone like Cam Newton can create millions of $ for Auburn, he should see some sort of compensation for the revenue he creates. Should it happen while he is playing? I don’t know. Should it happen at some point? Absolutely.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
It happens because college sports has become such a national spectacle.
Universities and other third parties are making tons of money off of these kids, so of course there is going to be back door shit going on. The worst part is the schools don’t lose the money that they made off of them. Reggie Bush gave back his Heisman trophy, but did USC have to give back the millions of dollars that they made for playing in the NC game? Hell no.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Nov 11, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
"but...but...
we took down the shrine!"
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"
by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
The whole Cam Newton saga does seem pretty tawdry even considering how much it's "normal" for high-profile college athletes getting paid.
I can’t argue with that much.
I guess if you’re going to get busted, you might as well not have it be for peanuts.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 11, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Like Hunter S. Thompson always advised....
‘If you are going to wreck into something, hit it hard.’
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Newton's dad sounds like the ringleader in all of this
sounds like he basically acted as his son’s agent during the recruiting process. getting given money for your performance when it’s illegal is one thing, asking for it is another.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"
by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
being give*
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"
by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
ugh...
*being given
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"
by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
I would say his dad comes off sounding like a pimp.
But maybe pimp and agent are the same thing in some cases.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Cam Newton:
the ho of amateur athletics.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"
by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
The man. The myth. The legend.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKw5mBh4rYs
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
hey man
it’s hard out here for a pimp
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"
by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that every allegation involves his dad is also a little weird.
For those who are inclined to be skeptical of clergy, it reinforces that belief. Just all very strange.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 11, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. The church money laundering allegations are quite concerning.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
are we turning this into a religion thing?
I know that there are some crummy characters in the church, but there’s also a lotta good coming from it. maybe not from Mr. Newton’s…but as a whole I think you could say that most churches have good intentions.
that’s all I’m saying about it, we probably just shouldn’t go there…
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"
by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
No, I should have been more specific there.
I didn’t mean to make it into a religion thing. However, I will admit I generally have my doubts about non-denominational churches in general. I think those are more likely to have something shady going on. Megachurches, small-time churches… when these are involved I’m going to have an easier time believing the crazy stories.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 11, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
non-denomination is creepy
I know where you’re going with that, I don’t really trust them when they’re tied to anything either, there are a whole lot of stories about Jesus-nuts out there who do crazy things so I see where the distrust is coming from and I share that distrust
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"
by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
I thing if any church is 'passing the plate' around with the intention of using it to launder money...
they are fair game for criticism. It’s in no way anti-religious.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
thing should = think
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't really think it was
but I know that there are a lot of people who are just pissed off at religion in general, so just a precaution, I didn’t want to make this bigger than it needed to be
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"
by danielreese05 on Nov 11, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
I don't give much of a shit about college sports in general, so I feel similarly about these stories.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
am I really going to argue with a Bills fan who has a better franchise history between the O's and Bills?
is it even worth my time?
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"
If your response was anything other than...
“Dude, I can tell you aren’t interested in being serious.” then you are wasting your time.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 11, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
the appropriate response is "buffalol"
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Buffalo? More like Suckalo, amirite?
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 11, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
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