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Question of the Day: One of the few positions that hasn't been talked about as a "position of need" in Baltimore is second base, but we all saw what a disaster it to lose Brian Roberts for 2/3 of the season. Next year is Roberts' age 33 season, and now he has severe back injuries on his resume. He's under contract for three more seasons at $10 million per, and right now is the second most expensive Oriole on the roster (behind Nick Markakis). On the other hand, when he did play in 2010, Brian was his usual reliably good self. Are you worried, and if so, what would you do? -Andrew

In Orioles news...

Orioles Insider: Should Brian Matusz be in the Top 3 in AL Rookie voting?
Today we'll find out who will be the Rookies of the Year for the MLB, and Dan Connolly asks what our own Andrew_G did back in September: should Matusz be in the race? 

Commentary: Offseason course is clear for Orioles - Carroll County Times: Bob Blubaugh
I don't know what this guy is talking about. A strong middle infield? Needing a closer?

Orioles Insider: Why have a bench coach?
Dan Connolly schools you on bench coaches. 

Simmons: On Marino and Iginla | Steve Simmons | Toronto Sun
There isn't only one line about the Orioles in this article, but it's one that I liked: "The big surprise in the East may be the aggressive plans of the Baltimore Orioles, who have been messed up forever, but have a general manager with just two years left on his contract and a manager in Buck Showalter who wants to win now."

The Royle Rundown: Two 3B options for the O's, well maybe one
WTF? I have never heard of Jen Royle, but she thinks we should trade Matt Wieters for Jorge Cantu Gordon Beckham. Seriously! How certain people manage to get a job writing about baseball is beyond me. -zk

Around the MLB... 

Oakland A's trade pitcher Vin Mazzaro for Royals' David DeJesus - San Jose Mercury News
If I remember my lesson from daveh873 in New Jersey baseballers, both of those guys call the Garden State home.

Marlins deal Maybin and Miller; Only 1 left from Cabrera trade - Big League Stew
The Marlins got Andrew Miller and Cameron Maybin from the Tigers as the centerpieces of the Miguel Cabrera trade, and now both are gone.  

Hot Stove heats up with start of GM Meetings | MLB.com:
The GM meetings start tomorrow. HoT sToVe!

Pirates ready to name Hurdle new skipper | MLB.com
The Pirates look to Clint Hurdle to right their ship. 

Everybody is always, like, "Open thread, you are anorexic." And, I'm like, "No, I'm not." I eat all kinds... I eat so much junk food, you wouldn't believe it. I'd have a heart attack...

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So I had the pleasure of meeting James F this weekend

And you might be shocked to know that he brought up the Maybin/Miller stuff since they were both highly touted prospects traded for a big star and now the big star has continued to do his big star thing in Detroit while the highly touted prospects ended up doing the other team not much good at all.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 8:02 AM EST reply actions  

at least im pretty sure james' thing isnt an act

that guy’s thought process and responses to things are pretty reliable. Too bad the Cabrera trade (and the Johan Santana trade) seem to be becoming rarer as time goes by: most superstars aren’t willing to negotiate extensions. They’re all about hitting free agency.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 8:08 AM EST up reply actions  

oh it's no act, for sure

Everything about James is pretty much exactly what you’d expect. I miss having him around this place to the point of sometimes wishing doom upon his current job and then feeling like a total asshole for thinking it.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I miss him, too

I have to hold down the “people who think suspiciously exactly like I do” fort all by my lonesome.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Question of the day:

I’m a little worried about Brian’s health, but the truth is that there are so many other holes on the team that take precedence, I think you have to just go on faith that he’ll be healthy next year.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 8:07 AM EST reply actions  

It's a terribly bad idea idea to sleep on Roberts

but I look at it more like this: who is our backup second basemen? Robert Andino? I think we can probably (no offense to westie or whoever is our Andino superfan) do better off the bench. I think we need to have some better option. A latter day Chris Gomez.

(Checks Chris Gomez’s stats)

Well, maybe a latter day Jeff Roboulet.

(Checks Jeff Reboulet’s stats)

Well, hell, let’s just resign Miss Wiggy, then.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Andino kinda sucks as a backup

but when given an extended look, he plays at an adequate level. for a backup. it’s a paradox.

cxcxcxcxzzzzzzzzz

by Steve. on Nov 15, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I was always more of a..

Mark McLemore guy myself, who finishes slightly ahead of a pre-sexual harassment Harold Reynolds.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 15, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Right, it's a concern

But when you have a finite amount of resources, you gotta cut something out. And maybe we need a better backup than Andino, but like you say, who is there?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/shareit/GXNOz

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Should wanting the extra backup for Roberts

make us take an extra look at Tsuyoshi Nishioka? There’s no point in going after him if we don’t think he can handle SS, but…

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 15, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

That was basically going to be my response

I’m worried about Brian, but not enough to commit significant resources to a backup plan when we have so many other first-string holes to fill.

by kba26 on Nov 15, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Let me ask this question from a totally different angle then

do any of you think that many of the young Oriole bats were unimpressive this year in part or in total because Roberts – or some other established leadoff hitter – wasn’t around? I want to say, that’s stupid, but I think that the added stress (which I think is mostly artificial coming from a self-imposed “leadoff hitting is different from other hitting” nonsensical viewpoint that I blame largely on Trembley and Samuel) of being “out of position” in the batting order might have done something to some of these guys. Maybe.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 9:42 AM EST reply actions  

Do i think that over the course of the season, having Roberts would have resulted in a noticeable improvement in everyone else's numbers? No

but i think its possible the we win at least a few more of those games where everyone is clearly pressing. Roberts doing his usual thing takes pressure off everyone else to manufacture runs on their own. Raw numbers probably wouldn’t have been any higher, but things like the stupid baserunning could be improved and translate into more wins.

by kba26 on Nov 15, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it had an effect,

both psychologically and otherwise. We suddenly lost one of the few guys on the team who works counts, and normally a leadoff guy does so in part to give his teammates a better look at the opposing pitcher. Instead, we had Jones or Patterson leading off and hacking from the start.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 15, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know why you blame that on Trembley and Samuel

it happens all over baseball.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

because

if that was happening, then they’re the manager, its their job to say “look, this is just like hitting anywhere else. You don’t need to steal bases or bunt or anything you wouldn’t normally do. This isn’t a big deal”. And they didn’t.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll get killed for saying this

but it sure hurt Nick’s RBI totals.

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by duck on Nov 15, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

well, it did. it hurt everyone's RBI numbers

can’t drive in runs if nobody’s on base.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Considering how many doubles Nick hit

And you have to think that as long as B-Rob is on first, he scores on a double. I think Nick would have had 10-15 more rbis. As much as everyone says rbis don’t matter, which I agree with, that is 10-15 more runs for a team that played in a lot of close games.

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 10:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Probably more than 10-15

Brian Roberts is a DOUBLES MACHINE when healthy.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea but nick isn’t going to get a hit everytime that Brian is on base and you have to account for times that the leadoff hitter was
already on with nick at bat. I think 10-15 is reasonable.

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 10:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

True story

I just didn’t want to waste a perfect opportunity to say that Brian Roberts is a DOUBLES MACHINE.

That said, I think we should reopen the “open letter to Brian Roberts” and ask kindly that he stay healthy for, you know, more than like 5 games.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

That's what I though

But wasn’t sure.

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 11:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

young Oriole bats were unimpressive this year in part or in total because Roberts – or some other established leadoff hitter – wasn’t around?

I thought Baseball Between the Numbers had a chapter on protection and found it’s largely a myth.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 15, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not talking about protection

which I don’t believe in…but rather that without Roberts there, guys like Adam Jones and Matt Wieters might have pressed harder than they would have otherwise, and it negatively affected performance.

To be clear: I’m not saying that that happened…but it seems like the sort of thing that might have happened because the Orioles were without a lead-off hitter for 100 games.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

which I don’t believe in…but rather that without Roberts there, guys like Adam Jones and Matt Wieters might have pressed harder than they would have otherwise, and it negatively affected performance.

Conceptually, isn’t that a part of protection? That having a good bat behind allows you to relax (and see better pitches, etc.) which aids performance.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 15, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe?

I always thought it went something like “pitcher X doesn’t want to pitch to the guy batting behind hitter Y, so he gives hitter Y more stuff that he can hit than he normally would, so that X doesn’t walk Y”…which doesn’t exactly make a ton of sense, but that’s what I’ve always heard the argument was.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I literally just bought it as well

I borrowed it from a friend like 4 or 5 years ago. Loved it but I was a poor student at the time so funds were tight. Now I see copies going for $4 or $5 on half.com.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 15, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

we should start a book club

We should all read a chapter by a certain date. I could start off by posting some thoughts in a fanpost and conversation could ensue. In fact, I’m going to do this. As soon as I get it, I’ll post a date to read the first three chapters and then post thoughts. If anyone is interested, buy the book!

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 15, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Can we start this sometime after next week...

I have a final next Tuesday.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 15, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yes,

I probably won’t receive the book until next week anyways.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 15, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I bought the book awhile ago but never read it

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

it is a bit dated now

Is does have a chapter on why Mario Mendoza is important. But I’m guessing the concepts are still applicable today even if the names change.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 15, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The actual reason I bought the book for myself

is that I also bought the paperback version for a friend of mine with the idea we could both read it and then discuss is as we go. So this convo has led me to buy two copies. Basically my friend hates stats and subscribes to the Dusty Baker school of baseball and I thought this would make a very interesting read for him.

by PhilR8 on Nov 15, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Buck doesn't need anyone telling him when to bunt

But then, no one does.

Has there ever been a cooler Oriole than Eddie Murray? I mean, just straight up cool. Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08

by 33 on Nov 15, 2010 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

Just finished episode 2 of The Walking Dead

not quite as strong as the first, but still enjoyable.

by kba26 on Nov 15, 2010 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

I thought the third was pretty excellent

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah it was

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

There were some issues with the 2nd, but i thought it was still good

How long are we leaving the spoiler-alert in place for past episodes?

by kba26 on Nov 15, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

if you want to discuss it so badly, start a fanpost

no big deal

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Episode 2 was kinda the set-up

they had to bridge the gap somehow. 3 was fan-tastic. I was waiting for that moment to happen, and it did not let me down. Great stuff.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Nov 15, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't believe they're only having six episodes

It’s such a tease.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You could always read the book.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Nov 15, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Here

And that’s a hell of a deal. I bought mine for 60 bucks after having already read all the material anyway in various other forms. Still totally worth it.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Nov 15, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I know someone who has them

Maybe I’ll just borrow them. But then does that make me, like, a person who reads comic books?

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

NERD!

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Call it graphic fiction

and no, I dont think you get that title til you start reading super hero comics.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Nov 15, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

You people and your new TV shows...

I just watched the last few episodes of The Man from U.N.C.L.E. last night. Now that was a quality show. (Okay, except for some way-too-campy third season episodes…)

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 15, 2010 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

sorry, grandpa

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Get off my lawn!

Nah, I just don’t get cable because I’m cheap (and right now, I can’t even get broadcast), so I watch a handful of old TV shows on DVD instead. I figured we have enough wierdos here that I’d see if anyone else were an U.N.C.L.E. fan.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 15, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

David McCallum

Plays Ducky on NCIS, quality.
I do follow some of the actors/actresses from those “OLD SHOWS”.

by thezeroes on Nov 15, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Relevant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFp-rsQEpxM

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 15, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I watched the first episode of SeaQuest last night

I used to love that show. After watching the pilot again… not sure if I’ll keep watching. It was a fun nostalgia moment, anyway. Same with Earth 2 – lots of fun memories, but not really worth watching all the episodes again.

by PhilR8 on Nov 15, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah,

it’s kinda sad when you watch a little of a show and realize that it’s actually not that good. Happens with videogames, too.

I keep trying to watch season 3 of Star Trek, but I only make it through an episode or two. Maybe I’ll finally do it this offseason.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 15, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

This blog might just be geeky enough to answer this question

anyone know the the command to combine two .avi files using ffmpeg?

by kba26 on Nov 15, 2010 10:38 AM EST reply actions  

I'm still using WMM

so I’m probably not the guy to ask

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 15, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Link added above...

…to a crazy person who writes for MASN.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

oh my bad

I saw that got clipped when I tried to clip it myself this morning, but then forgot to change the filter to show clippings from other people.

Jen Royle is this chick that used to work for the YES network and now she sits around on Twitter bashing Baltimore constantly.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

she's a certified idiot. seriously.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah, yes, the "underachieving" Matt Wieters...

He was only the best defensive catcher in the AL during his first full season at the position.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 15, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think the Rangers'll take just Wieters for Cantu

Cantu played for the AL champs, after all. We better throw in the double-underachieving Chris Tillman. And then we better throw in an actual good piece. You gotta give quality to get quality, people. So:

Tillman, Wieters, and Markakis for Cantu. Who says no?

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Only if Cantu signs a 10 year extension

worth at least 150….gotta lock that guy up. Plus with him on the team and those underachievers gone, it’ll be easier to attract big time free agents. Next stop: Cliff Lee-ville

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Next stop: Cliff Lee-ville Donovan McNabb

Oh wait….I thought we were just discussing ridiculously stupid FA signings.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Another reason the Redskins will never win

with Dan Snyder as owner. Go Ravens!

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate being a Skins fan sometimes

Actually, that’s a lie. I’m thinking long and hard about when it’s been fun to be a Skins fan in the last 10 years and I’m not having any luck.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

More or less fun than being an O's fan?

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Look on the bright side

they made him virtually untradeable with that contract, so it’s McNabb/Shanahan or bust!

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

AHHHHHH

Why did I just give her a unique page view!?

What kind of fucked up shit? I mean…just. It’s hard to believe, but that may have been the most awful paragraph of “baseball analysis” I’ve ever read. Jorge Cantu a 28 year old utility guy with a career 5.5 WAR (FG), straight the fuck up for SHJ, a younger player with a similar career WAR (3.8) in half as many seasons at one of the most fucking important positions in the game. I mean, seriously?

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 15, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

wait, she said that?

I honestly didn’t even it. Now I have to.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Well in her defense

She’s saying he should be traded for Beckham, not Cantu. I mean, it’s still moronic, but at least Beckham has upside.

I mean, OMG, lady.

That article could seriously garner a line by line treatment in a separate story.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

no, she says cantu or beckham, and that beckham won't be available.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

ok, never mind, i see it now.

VERY poorly written.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah...

Stacey was right, I think my brain fried itself even reading that line, so my bad.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 15, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah

It took me a minute.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Well,

Cantu’s a free agent. She’s talking about trading Wieters for Beckham. (Unless I’m missing something?)

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 15, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

don't forget....

…that V Mart is supposed to be our everyday catcher now. BECAUSE HE’S A VET. And young pitchers need a VET.

Never mind that the SF Giants have the youngest pitching staff in the majors, and their starting catcher is….. a rookie. Oh, and did I mention they won the World Series?

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

but Posey didn't underachieve!

He’d totally be worth at least Jorge Cantu and Jeff Franceour

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Since I had the tab open...

I read some more of her post.

But perhaps the most glaring positive factor is that Cantu can play both corners, first and third.

Ok, professional scribe I am not, but isn’t “glaring” often used as a perjorative, like “Royale’s most glaring weakness is…”? Second of all – Garret Motherfucking Atkins can play both positions. I hear he’s available.

Now, taking a look at Beckham…. The main reasons why I like Beckham are his age, his attitude and his defensive skills.

Right – we should give up Wieters straight up for Beckham (though she considers this “unlikely” – Ken Williams would never be so dumb!) because of his age (similar), attitude (intangibles), and defensive skills (Wieters is clearly awful here – he didn’t win the Gold Glove).

Special consideration also goes to Mark Reynolds

GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 15, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

so you're saying we should resign Garret Atkins?

Brilliant! He played in the World Series, you know.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

My preference is to try to pry away both...

Omar Visquel and Juan Uribe. And Cody Ross. We’d be unstoppable.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 15, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't believe the people who get paid to write stuff about the Orioles

While I toil away basically for free.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

You've never written

stories about the most storied franchise in the storied history of baseball stories.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 15, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

You need better branding.

Jen Royle is a National Baseball Correspondent. And her little blog has her name in it, used in clever alliterative fashion!

Let’s see:

Stacey’s Side?

Scribbles from Stacey?

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

She's also hotter than me

that helps.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

She looks like a skankier Alanis Morrisette.

Not working for me.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

also?

Which MASN intern spent all of five minutes using the “watercolor” filter in Photoshop to create the rest of that banner?

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I'm actually not a huge fan either

Although I’ve been told that she’s hot by other people.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Stacey, Roch doesn't count. He will tap anything that moves.

Just kidding Roh. Kinda.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

*Roch

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

And what does this paragraph even mean?
So those are my two choices. I like the veteran presence and versatility of Cantu but I like the youth and glove of Beckham…. And I’m not sure Josh Bell is the best option of the three.

That’s the only time she mentions Bell in the entire article.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

she's definitely right though

if your options are Jorge Cantu or Gordon Beckham, and you pick Josh Bell…they’re probably holding you back a year.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention the fact that...

two players not currently anywhere in our system can’t realistically be counted as “options”. I get the point, that we might need to look outside the system, but do you really sit down as AM and say “Hm, my only options are Cantu, Beckham, and Bell, what to do?”.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 15, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Julie Donaldson from CSN is my offseason sportscasting hottie

She’s no Amber, but I have to turn somwhere when the O’s aren’t playing.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Add to your frustrations...

the fact that this is a woman who has had multiple “good” jobs within baseball media, and isn’t representing the club very well. All kidding aside, I can’t believe they used a cleavage shot for her MASN profile. Way to raise the fucking bar, MASN.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 15, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

So I ask you, who would your rather have, Wigginton or Cantu?

I’m going to start replying to people with lines from this article. I don’t care if it makes sense.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

But would he?

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 15, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

you start replying with lines from that article

and I will start replying to your replies with things that were the subject of FJM blogs. It’ll be fun! Any new readers will think this place is a madhouse!

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Special consideration also goes to Mark Reynolds.

As if we would get any new readers. Nobody even knows who Camden Chat is.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

ahahahaha

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't want to parse words

but what’s your definition of “normal?” And for that matter, what’s your definition of “people?”

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Lets start with Cantu.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Lets start with the Capn, Derek Geeter

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

hes got postseason experience, you know

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

This is so full of win

Wish I was available to partake. Stupid job.

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 15, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

IN MY OPINION, the "kids" need a vet behind the plate

I’m always willing to add in the missing piece: Deadspin sigs.

/dickjoke
+1 piling on

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 15, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Not to pile on, but...

As I recall, the speculation was that she didn’t get offered Anita Marks’ spot on 105.7 b/c, during her on-air trial run, she couldn’t stop gushing about, yes, the MFY…

by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 15, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I've definitely heard her on the radio before

on 105.7 co-hosting with Ken Weinman. Although I don’t know when that was, or if it was a permanent gig or a fill-in position or what. I think she was talking about the Ravens.

by PhilR8 on Nov 15, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Poor Ken...

I still don’t get why management didn’t keep the Playmakers show together.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 15, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Painful.

I like Ken, but her cutesy Kelly Ripa act is just god fucking awful. I remember earlier last year she was commenting on Garceau’s show about the maturation of one Felix Pie (pronounced as in apple pie). Again, painful.

by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 15, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

They're the same person...

though I don’t know if I’ve ever heard Royale’s voice: both gush about guys they “know” from their time “around the team”.

Also – I hate her writing style. I feel like she never stopped writing the social column in her college newspaper.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 15, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, does she have an editor?
So… would the White Sox give the starting job to the young Tyler Flowers or would MacPhail be wiling to package the underachieving Matt Wieters? Highly doubtful, but lets explore.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought that lets was just a typo

But she did it again:

Lets take a look at the numbers: At third base last year for both the Marlins and the Rangers, Cantu appeared in 89 games with 318 at-bats where he hit .261 with five home runs and 62 RBI.

Let us! It’s a contraction! Use an apostrophe!

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

No You Tube at work :(

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

This, to me...

crystalizes what I love about CC versus the “other” Orioles blogs. Feature shit (and yes, as a National Baseball Correspondent, you are now a “serious” writer/reporter) is edited for both spelling and clarity. Posts have a fucking point, with legitimate support via links, tables, spreadsheet, etc.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 15, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I just let fly over there

But she has to approve blog submissions, and I don’t expect her to approve mine. So here’s what I wrote:

This is one of the most ridiculously stupid articles I’ve ever read.

You want to trade away Wieters—the best defensive catcher in the AL, and a player who has been a stellar performer at every other level of baseball—because he’s “underacheiving” after HIS FIRST FULL SEASON?

You think the “kids” need a VET behind the plate? Did you see who just won the World Series with the youngest staff in the majors and a ROOKIE CATCHER? Or did you just stop watching after the Yankees were eliminated.

Not sure why you get paid for your analysis, but hang onto that job as long as you can.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

dude she went and decided to counter

in case you didn’t notice, her counter points were worse than her original ones. Posey and his “veteran staff”. gotta love it…

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

You wrote the most ridiculous comment ever.

Well i thought it was the best but hey who cares what i think.

"If people don't want to come out to the ballpark, how are you going to stop them?" Yogi Berra

by MudDawg on Nov 15, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

hey, but you're a presumptive mobbie winner

so you’ve got that going for you. Which is nice.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm proud of being proud of winning

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Make that TWO time Mobbies winner

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 15, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

No one has ever won except us

You might call us a dynasty. The most storied blog in the history of the Mobbies.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I know we've talked about that frustration before.

It is kind of ridiculous. More than kind of ridiculous sometimes. So it goes.

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 15, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

wait.

where is it?

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

ha.

just kidding…

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Via Rosenthal,

Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe mentioned Orioles right-handers David Hernandez and Chris Tillman as potentially available in trades, but actually every O’s young pitcher could be in play for the right bat, sources say. A trade might be the best option for the Orioles, who’ve struggled in recent years to attract free agents. A hitter such as first baseman Paul Konerko would consider the O’s only if he lacked better options.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Adrian-Beltre-and-Carl-Crawford-compare-well-with-all-time-greats-111410

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 15, 2010 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

probably true

the free agent market, all else being equal, isn’t going to kind to teams like Baltimore who are in a tough division and also suck on their own.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

wow, hot stove is in full swing

some guy in BOSTON speculates who the Orioles might want to trade — just spitballing, mind you — and it starts to get repeated across the interwebz.

Here’s all that Cafardo’s original column says:

7. David Hernandez, Chris Tillman, RHPs, Orioles — Two arms that may be available as the Orioles look to retool their offense.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

So I can let it slip now that I rigged the contest?

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Did anyone here NOT rig the contest?

its all i’ve been doing for the past couple weeks

by kba26 on Nov 15, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I quit my job to give me extra time to vote.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

You had a job in the first place?

I thought everyone here was unemployed and did nothing but vote

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

your check is in the mail, by the way.

thanks again.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

and just so you know, i’ve been doing a little freelancing as well. I’ve going around the internet to find polls that allow write-ins, getting the favorite disqualified, and then voting repeatedly while gaining the support of their most hated rival. Camden Chat is now also the most popular most popular science fiction franchise in history (I managed to pit both the Star Wars and Star Trek nerds against each other without them realizing it) and I’m laying the groundwork for us to be the favorite in the Kentucky Derby.

We can discuss my rate later.

by kba26 on Nov 15, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Lisa Murkowski?

Is that you?

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Leeza Morowski, you mean?

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 15, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

being unable to turn this comment Yankee blue,

I will make it green.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+1 for the Yankees

they’re the most storied franchise of all time, and they made us the most storied Mobbie winner of all time.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

with a little help from that duck character

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I think this is deserving of a front-page post or fanshot

just so that OH readers’ heads can explode a little more.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll fanshot it

I want to invite all Camden Chat and Pinstripe Alley faithful to the party anyhow.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

well, be a little gracious

invite orioles hangout, too, so that they can meet their new Yankee overlords

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

To be fair (what?), i think they've moved on

They destickied that thread as soon as voting was over, and no one’s posted there in days.

by kba26 on Nov 15, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

to be fair (for reals)

we were just having fun with them, and from what I read, they got all pissy about a little internet sarcasm. Oh noes!

In the end, we all had some fun, and friendships were born, only a couple folks had pregnancy scares, and we all learned a valuable lesson: that you do not mess with Camden Chat in meaningless and yet infuriatingly important internet polls. And we all lived happily ever after.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

anything else Buddy?

Yeah! Peter has a good left hook!

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm never fair.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

our repeated, computer generated actions.

you obviously wrote some sort of a script to vote over and over again too, right?

by kba26 on Nov 15, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

of course

I own PhilR1 through PhilR10000 on GMail, so I wrote a little batch file that allowed each of them to vote every day.

by PhilR8 on Nov 15, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Sad part is

I fulley expect this to be quoted on another site as proof of our dishonest win.

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 15, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

and they won't even give us proper attribution.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

btw,

they could use the talents of a certain duck character as they leave 1980s AOL graphics behind:

New Logo contest
As we head into our redesign phase this off season we though we’d enlist the help of our great community. We know there are a lot of talented people out there so we thought we’d start up a logo contest in order for us to select a new logo for the site. The Prize? A choice between a two-year membership or four free tickets to an Orioles game next season.

Here are the rules:

1. Each person can submit up to five logos
2. The logos must be 230×90 pixels and under 10KB
3. No Baltimore Orioles trademarked logos can be used
4. All submission’s become property of Hangout Ventures, LLC
5 Each Entry must be the original work and sole and exclusive property of the person who submits it or the Participant must have written legal permission from the property owner. In the case of Projects owned by other parties, the written legal permission must be included with the Entry.
6. Hangout Ventures, LLC sub contractors, and immediate family members of each are not eligible. All federal, state and local laws and regulations apply. Void where prohibited
7. Your submission MUST be a JPEG of GIF
8. End date for submissions is 25 November 2010
9. By submitting an entry you agree to the terms and rule listed above.

E-mail all submissions to publisher-oh@orioleshangout.com

I can only submit 5 logos? Balderdash. I will submit 5 logos with each of my 42 email addresses.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

New Logo Contest!

aka why we’re too cheap to hire a proper designer.

by kba26 on Nov 15, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

That could take some time.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

You know who makes a kickass logo?

You do, my friend.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

The Camden Chat logotype itself is pretty amazing

basically, everything about that logo is awesome.

by PhilR8 on Nov 15, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, I know this has been posted here before

But this is a great time for it

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I was just thinking of that!

Also, font discussions always make me think of this.

Need to convey your fun-loving, approachable nature on your business’ website? SMACK. Like daffodils in motherfucking spring.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

ahahaha that's good

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

awww, thanks. :)

never would have gotten there without the input from you and duck.

@Phil: The logotype is in a font called American Pop, which I fell in love with and actually bought (because I wanted to create the logo legally). I just added the swoosh underneath it.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Stacy is on a roll today.

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

E I FORGOT THE E!

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

ahahahaha

you almost made me snort coffee out of my nose!

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

hee :)

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I really wish we'd chosen this one, though

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

oh lord. i forgot all about that. :)

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I just realized that it's the coca-cola font

or intentionally as close as possible. No wonder I like it so much – Camden Chat is subliminally American.

by PhilR8 on Nov 15, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

4 tickets to a game...

or 2 years of being allowed to read OH. Hmm…

But seriously, can someone from here PLEASE win that contest? Or perhaps at least submit some funny ideas?

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Nov 15, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

The funny ideas probably won't win you those tix......

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh and I fully plan on submitting at least something.

Haven’t decided on what yet.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no skills whatsoever

but I plan on submitting some hilarious MS Paint awesomeness.

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I have mad MS paint skillzzzzzz

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you think they would appreciate a bunch of entries like

“Camden Chat owns you!”?

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't support this

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

They better not

That’s perfectly legal. It’s one vote per account per day. I voted multiple times each day using my gmail, twitter, yahoo, etc. accounts.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 15, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

someone over there will argue "ethics"

but, yeah. Ads for the Mobbies that were given to every site encouraged everyone to “vote often.” So, isn’t voting often what everyone should have done?

by PhilR8 on Nov 15, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

ethics

Tell me about it. Voting often was in the damn title. You could vote 6 times per day if you had accounts for the six methods (gmail, yahoo, aol, myspace, facebook, and twitter). Creating another gmail account circumvents that rule but I don’t think the spirit of the rules weren’t broken as long as you didn’t vote more than 6 times per day.

And that Scottebaseball character line about not reaching out to other sites because he had “standards and integrity” is just ridiculous. I don’t know that guy and I’m sure he’s a knowledgeable contributor to OH but talk about an inflated sense of superiority.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 15, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty sure he's staff

and with the sycophantic culture over there, inflated sense of superiority sounds just about right for someone who’s used to getting his ass kissed all day, every day.

by PhilR8 on Nov 15, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I would like if if y'all started kissing my ass all day, every day

How do I make that happen?

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather just silently bathe in the light of winning

and let the other sites whine about losing. I mean, some of the shots taken by people who have never had any actual interaction at all have been pretty juvenile, and I count myself in that number. I am kinda enjoying seeing them invent reasons and excuses for not winning, and the shots they take at us are pretty amusing and rather telling.

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 15, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

done and done

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Get everyone fired who we don't like.

Same for O’s players who run afoul of CC. DFA on the spot.

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 15, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Can we split the speeches?

You take Best Blog, and I’ll take Best Orioles Blog?

PLEASE?????

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 15, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

hahahaha speeches

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by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

What? No speeches???????

WHY WASN’T I TOLD THIS!!!!!!

:)

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 15, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Posey and Felix win RoY

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by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

oops!

make that Feliz

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by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I see that Matusz got 3 3rd place votes

good for 5th place. I’ll take it.

I like this tweet I saw earlier and will paraphrase:

“Nobody will vote for Strasburg because he only threw 68 innings, but Feliz will win the award when he only threw 69 innings”

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Wade Davis got 11 third place votes.

That’s kinda nutso. Matusz was better than him.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

About Strasburg

In the voters defense, I think the ROY competition in the NL was considerably tougher than the AL this year. And although Strasburg almost pitched as many innings, Feliz was considerably more effective (138 ERA+ versus 159).

With the injury, I don’t think Strasburg would have won it even if the above weren’t true, but just saying…

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 15, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Get your World Series tix now.

The Orioles signed former Cubs pitcher Mitch Atkins to a minor league deal, according to Jeff Zrebiec of the Baltimore Sun. The 25-year-old has solid minor league numbers and a 5.25 ERA in 12 big league innings.

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, cuz we have great luck with players by the name of "Atkins"

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

At least we didn't trade for this one....

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh

Is this team really struggling due to a lack of Garrett Olson?

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 15, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

We were struggling due to an increase in Rich Hill though

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I had completely forgotten that we ever had Hill

At least we got them back by trading them the Trachsel.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 15, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

yes.

how is this even a question?

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

"Orioles sign Atkins"

Are they TRYING to give people a heart attack?

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 15, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

A former Cub with the last name Atkins!

That’s a two-fer.

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Nov 15, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

So they caught the guy who broke into the mayor's husband's car

Must be nice to be the mayor’s husband. My car has been broken into four times and I’m pretty sure no one was out looking for the perp.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 15, 2010 3:11 PM EST reply actions  

I work in auto glass....

so if anyone ever needs anything, feel free to ask.

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Good grief

Its only 3pm. What a boring day.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

ahaahahaahahahaahahahaahahahahaha

AHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH
good luck with that.

see you tonight chunky soup

by Philly O's on Nov 15, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

well, sure, he's no dog killer,

…but not everyone can have a dog killer for their starting QB. And whatever, It’s not my money.

I hate to break it to you, but the Redskins are the only team in the NFC East that’s undefeated within the division.

You’d better hope your boys can get the road victory tonight, or your season is most likely done.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

they also have losses to the Rams, Lions (second year in a row!), and Texans

the only divisional wins are against the Cowboys (Wade version) and the Vick-less Eagles. ol’ Noodle Arm just isn’t good enough to beat a middle of the road NFC team (see: shitty AFC team)

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

nevertheless,

if they beat philadelphia tonight, philly has about zero shot of getting the wild card.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

truth

but any indications that they might have yet to show themselves, I don’t see it happening. i’ve been wrong before though, I want the Skins softened up for next weeks game.

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

also,

aren’t you a giants fan? i wouldn’t talk after the dump your boys took against Kitna last night. My ’Skins beat Romo, for Chrissakes

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

far from it...

Titans or die.

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

My Giants beat Romo as well

Into the ground in fact. Shit happens. Thankfully it didnt cost them the division lead. Go Redskins!

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Nov 15, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but we knocked Vick out if you're forgetting.

They were Vick-less because of the Redskins.

Where are my shoelaces?

by DCO'sfan on Nov 15, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

but that doesn’t mean that the Redskins are a better team, just that Vick got ker-sandwiched between Fletcher-Baker and Landry doesn’t mean the Deadskins are better than the Iggles

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe not.

And as a homer I say maybe. Still, who knows how they would have played if we didn’t knock Vick out. You’re speaking hypothetically here.

Where are my shoelaces?

by DCO'sfan on Nov 15, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

naturally

but he’s played extremely well against everyone else, I feel like he could do big things against the number 31 defense in the league

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

We're 31 because we give up a lot of yards

But if you watch games, we’re not the second worst defense in the league. We’re physical and for the most part we get things done. And while he was in we were doing a good job of stifling Vick.

Where are my shoelaces?

by DCO'sfan on Nov 15, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

this is the same argument for the Titans D

“only let up a bunch of yards, physical, force opportunistic turnovers, etc…” problem is, we’ve seen in the last two weeks that when the D doesn’t force turnovers, this team is dead in the water. if you give up a lot of yards, you’re going to give up points. there are very very few exceptions to this rule and Mike Vick doesn’t get stifled, it was the first quarter and the very run he was hurt on was for about 30 yards.

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

if, if, if.

WITH Michael Vick, the Eagles barely beat the same Lions that you’re bragging the Skins lost to.

Save your hypotheticals until after the game tonight. They won’t be hypotheticals any more at that point.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

hey

scoreboard right? I’m not trying to get all hyphy here because as far as I’m concerned the NFC East has seen enough of MNF for the next 5 years and I’m totally over the whole division and it’s dumb little sub-plots, but for now I’ll save it.

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Every division has subplots

I’m not sure what you’re point is here.

Where are my shoelaces?

by DCO'sfan on Nov 15, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

you've got to be kidding.

the NFC East is the overwhelming majority on prime time games. when’s the last time you saw a storyline about the AFC South or West? hell how about the NFC West or the NFC North outside of Brett Favre/Brad Childress? the NFC South who produced the freaking Super Bowl champions? not even close to as much garbage that comes out of the East. there’s the Vick/Noodle-Arm controversy, the Vick controversy by itself, the Reid should be fired controversy, how much the Cowboys suck and why we should care, how awesome the Giants are this year with Eli “the pick machine” Manning, why Shanahan is right, why McNabb is right, why Big Al being fat is a problem, the Andy “the manchild” Reid in the punt, pass, kick contest when he was 12, I could go on but there’s no point. it’s certainly got a lot to do with how many big name players and coaches there are, but I’m really sick of these four teams right now, especially considering that none of them really look like title contenders this year. the Giants are the best team in the NFC apparently and my Titans, a middle of the road AFC team laid a smackdown to them in their own house earlier this year. I’m so done with that whole division right now and ANOTHER primetime matchup is not what I need right now.

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

that by the way

was a rant…

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

that's what I'm talking about

teams that give up lots of yards…that is something that tends to happen to them.

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

scoreboard

we beat the eagles on their home turf.

until they beat us, we’re the better team. period.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not going to argue who the better team is

but by that logic, the Bengals are better than the Ravens this year. is that something that you really believe? are the freakin 2-8 Bungals a better team than the Ravens? not even close. for that matter, are the Lions a better team than the Redskins? it’s a little different in this case given that the two teams are pretty evenly matched, but I tend to believe in “any given Sunday”.

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

requisite crow eating

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

appreciated

but unnecessary, no one should have to endure that, even if it did prove me right

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember when the O's swept the Phils in PA

and then the Phils went to the WS? Totally proves we were a superior team.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Nov 15, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

It's Dan Snyder.

THAT’S what they’re thinking.

Unbelievable.

Where are my shoelaces?

by DCO'sfan on Nov 15, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just glad

that this will put an end to the speculation that Skins would sign Mike Vick after this season. I don’t have to worry about taking the length of his contract off from being a Skins fan now.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 15, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point.

And oddly enough, as the Skins announced one stupid signing, Lebron James was nominated as a finalist for Time Mag’s Person of the Year. What a joke.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

LEBRON JAMES?!?!?!?!

OK…Are you sure it isn’t 2012?

Where are my shoelaces?

by DCO'sfan on Nov 15, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

No joke

Link

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Holy crapstein.

If he wins…

Where are my shoelaces?

by DCO'sfan on Nov 15, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

No Tiger Woods?

Pfft.

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

lol.

It’s an American tragedy.

Where are my shoelaces?

by DCO'sfan on Nov 15, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you read the comments on that ESPN article?

They keep going on about the Person of the Year award going to the person who is “most influencial.” One, that can’t be true based on the previous winners of that “award.” Two, how the hell has a basketball player influenced anything worth caring about?

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

In complete agreement.

I understand Obama winning it (despite your political views, can you at least agree that there’s some justification to giving him the award?) but Lebron James? His douchebaggery went through the roof with “The Decision” and in turn he humiliated an entire city on national television. Yeah, that’s really deserving of an “award.”

Where are my shoelaces?

by DCO'sfan on Nov 15, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

No...there was absolutely no justification in Obama getting it.

Why would there be? What exactly did he do in 2008 that made him deserving of an award?

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

He was the first black president of the most powerful country in the world.

That’s a huge achievement, and nobody else can testify to doing that other than him.

Where are my shoelaces?

by DCO'sfan on Nov 15, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

That's so bullshit.

How is that influencial in any way?

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

You just said it has nothing to do with being influential.

And I agree. The award is all together meaningless anyway.

Where are my shoelaces?

by DCO'sfan on Nov 15, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

broke an important racial barrier

i guess influential is in the eyes of the beholder though.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 15, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Obama didn't break the barrier

the voters did.

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Not in my eyes.

I feel like if you say that Obama broke the presidential color barrier that is the same thing as saying that he was the first non-white candidate that was worthy. There may have been worthy minority candidates in the past, but the people finally overcame the racial barrier and elected him. Just like I don’t think Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier in baseball. Again, I feel like it is saying that Jackie was the first non-white that was good enough to play in the MLB. The Dodgers broke that barrier by looking past the color of his skin. That is just how I look at it. I don’t expect everyone to agree, but hopefully you can understand my logic.

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think there's any judgment in the statement "broke the barrier"

I’ve never once thought that when anybody said that about Jackie Robinson that they meant he was first black player that was good enough to break the barrier, just that he was the one who broke it.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 15, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I see the logic but you're chalking up everything to historical context.

And giving ZERO credit to the individual. Certainly in baseball or politics (or where ever) there have been viable candidates to break the color barrier but were denied opportunities because of racism, as you rightly point out, but the person who did break the barrier did so PARTIALLY because of their acumen and skills. After all, Jackie Robinson was a damn good baseball player. And he broke the color barrier partially because of that skill and as well as the historical context.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 15, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Also

even if Jackie Robinson had sucked, he still broke the barrier.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 15, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see it that way.

Jackie Robinson did nothing to force his way into MLB and break the color barrier. The Dodgers broke the color barrier by signing him.

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

So...

is your objection just with the phrase “breaking the barrier” being used in reference to a single person?

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 15, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, for the most part.

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok

I just don’t see the phrase that way. When somebody says Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier I don’t think anybody thinks “Wow he did it all by himself! What a hero!”

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 15, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably not

but that is what the words imply. How hard is it to say that Jackie Robinson was instrumental in ending racial segregation in baseball?

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

They certainly don't have that connotation for me.

I guess they do for you. What they imply to me is that he’s the one who put up with the death threats, intentional spikings and hit by pitches, race bating from fans, teammates, media, etc so that the barrier could be broken. So to say that he was just instrumental I would find a little offensive. He’s the one who took the risks and quite literally put his life on the line.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 15, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, when I hear that

Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier, I don’t think he did by himself or that it implies that. But I can see how other people might interpret it that way.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 15, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

nobody does anything by themselves

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Right.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 15, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I always thought Branch Rickie gets short changed here

He had at least as much to do with it as Jackie Robinson.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 15, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Really??

I think he gets an awful lot of credit. But I think you would get some very strange looks if you said “Branch Rickie broke the color barrier,” you know since he wasn’t the one facing death threats, getting spiked and hit intentionally, or having the n-word chanted at him on a daily basis…

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 15, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Rickey did get the death threats...

No doubt that Robinson had to put up with some horrendous actions, but personally, I would say that Rickey had more to do with the barrier being broken.

Without Robinson, I think the barrier would have still been broken sometime around ‘47. Without Rickey, it wouldn’t have.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 15, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly.

You just worded it better.

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

If Rickey got 100 death threats Robinson got 1,0000. And how many times was Rickey spiked or had a 90 MPH fastball thrown at his head?

And I disagree that without rickey it wouldn’t have happened. Some other owner would have done it a few years later, just like some other black player could have done it if Robinson didn’t. Do you think baseball would have stayed segregated forever without Rickey?

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 15, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

No, eventually it would have been broken

But the point is when would it have been broken. As I said, I think it still would have happened right around 47 without Robinson.

Without Rickey, I don’t think it would have happened in the near future. I don’t think it’s beyond realistic that it could have stayed segregated for another 10+ years.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 15, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems HIGHLY unlikely

given that Larry Doby signed with the Indians the exact same year.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 15, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

A whole bunch were signed right after

Once the barrier is broken, it’s broken. It’s not a coincidence that there were 0 black players in MLB for the previous 60 years, but suddenly 4 in 47, and about 20 over the next 5 years.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 15, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Well but Veeck

who signed Doby, had been trying to get black players for years. Do you think he would have stopped if Rickey hadn’t gotten Robinson in? It wasn’t Rickey’s unique idea.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 15, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

He could have

But it seems like a big coincidence that he signed him just a few weeks after Robinson.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 15, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Lots of things seem like coincidences.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 15, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Also

Veeck wasn’t a sole owner until 1946, so it would have been rather hard for him to sign any black players much earlier than that…

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 15, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

if jackie sucked, then i don't think anybody would have signed him!

As birdfanphilly suggests, Branch Rickie was able to think outside of the box in finding talent.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 15, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure, but that wasn't my point.

My point was that Rickie made a decision based partly on skill and partly on character, and even if Robinson’s skill had turned out not to be good enough for the MLB but he was the first black player he still would have broken the barrier.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 15, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't want to live in a reality where the color barrier breaker

wasn’t someone as enormously talented and charismatic as Jackie Robinson. If it hadn’t been him the whole thing might have failed.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, that's good point

Let’s say Jackie actually sucked. Bringing him to the big leagues only to fail would have reinforced racist stereotypes about the inability of black players.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 15, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea but there were plenty of other great black baseball

players at that time. I’m not trying to take anything away from his talents, but he happened to be right place right time.

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by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

But it could have been any number of black players.

Just happened to be Robinson. Yes he was a good player, but even if he was the greatest talent the world had ever seen he wasn’t getting into the league on his own.

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by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

But it could have been any number of black players.

That’s not quite true. It had be a “talented” black player. Certainly Jack rather than player X is random to certain degree though. And I certainly agree he wasn’t getting into the league on his own. It’s a mixture of talent and context.

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by birdman on Nov 15, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Right the player had to be talented

but I’m sure there were quite a few at the time. I mean the Negro Leagues wouldn’t have existed otherwise.

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by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

right, if there's talent involved

you gotta at least give SOME credit to the individual rather than just chalking it to context.

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by birdman on Nov 15, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes.

I’ve said multiple times that he was very talented and that is why HE was chosen over someone else. But as BirdFanInPhilly said above, without Robinson it still would have happened.

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by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

right, it would have still happened

we’re probably talking past each other this point. Just because it could have happened to someone else doesn’t mean can’t acknowledge the skill of Jackie or Barack.

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by birdman on Nov 15, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

The Noble Peace Prize is another story.

I agree that he had no business winning that award.

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by DCO'sfan on Nov 15, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

He didn't deserve either of them.

Neither did George Bush or Ben Bernanke.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

The Noble Peace Prize is much more important than any award a magazine could give out

So that’s the only one that matters in my mind. In that case, he had no business winning it because he didn’t deserve it.

But the Peace prize is a different sort of prize than the Person of the Year. POTY is about achievements. That’s why Ledouche shouldn’t win it. What has he done? Shamed an entire city on national television? That’s worthy of an award? I don’t think so.

Alfred Nobel said this about the Peace prize, “…shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.” Obama did none of that. But he did achieve something pretty damn important to get POTY.

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by DCO'sfan on Nov 15, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure it's entirely about achievements.

After all, Hitler has won PotY.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

But he did achieve something pretty damn important to get POTY.

He got voted President? Sure, that’s awesome, but so have 43 others.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

First African-American president.

Who would have thought that would happen just thirty years ago?

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by DCO'sfan on Nov 15, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

24 did it first!

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Armaggon beat them to it

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by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 15, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Or Armageddon

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 15, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you mean Deep Impact

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by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Tomato, Tomoto

Same difference

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by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 15, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

He duped the American people into voting for him.

That is pretty impressive.

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by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Just like all the presidents before him.

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by O'sFan21 on Nov 15, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

word

Obama is a politician just like every politician before. And I still like Obama!

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by birdman on Nov 15, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

sigh.

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by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

W pulled that trick off twice.

I mean, in 2004, after launching a war against the wrong country, he got the entire electorate to focus on the short length of service of his opponent in Vietnam, a war he himself worked assiduously to avoid. That’s some smart politics.

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by duck on Nov 15, 2010 6:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

For shame, duck.

Democrats should never concede that W was actually elected the first time. :p

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by Eat More Esskay on Nov 15, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

he didn't concede that....

just that W duped people into voting for him.

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by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't follow football at all

but aren’t contracts in the NFL not guaranteed? Couldn’t the Skins just release McNabb at the end of season and they wouldn’t have pay him the reminder on his contract?

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by birdman on Nov 15, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

they aren't guaranteed by default.

“guaranteed money” in an NFL contract is just that—the team agrees to guarantee a certain amount so that even if the player is cut, he gets paid.

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by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Bigger problem...

is that terminating his service via release or trade accelerates all guaranteed money into the current cap year.

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by TerroristFistJab on Nov 16, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

so then they should do it this year! no cap

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by O'sFan21 on Nov 16, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

So, so awesome

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by daveh873 on Nov 15, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

its not cold enough for hot chocolate yet

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by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

It's never too hot for hot chocolate done right

Common Grounds in Salisbury makes THE perfect hot chocolate. My kids and I even go there in May to get it after games as a reward because it’s that damn good.

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by duck on Nov 15, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

does it have cayenne in it?

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by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Anything below 60 is too cold for....well for life in general

I’m born and raised in Baltimore, but every year I hate winter more.

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

This, too

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 15, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

We've got this sweet milky way hot chocolate here.

Pretty awesome.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

That's kind of funny though

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

My wife was barely seven weeks pregnant...

and a security guard at her office asked her how the baby was. She was showing just a bit (more in the way she was walking than anything) but that dude was pretty lucky she actually was pregnant. Now we have creepy granny types walking up and asking us all kinds of questions.

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by TerroristFistJab on Nov 16, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I keep hearing about Nolan Reimold's "personal issues"

anyone know anything specific about it? Anything that affects his career long term?

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 4:56 PM EST reply actions  

Only for the next 18 years

He’s got all sorts of baby mama issues going on. The BM is a real winner.

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by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 15, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotcha

she could have at least let him have a few 35 HR seasons first. Let us have a good power bat, and cash in on his big contract later.

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

She was trying to do just that, they were engaged. But apparently she had a few skeletons in her closet, that Nolan found out about.

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by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 15, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

its all in the movie script, people!

spoilers, sheesh!

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by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Is the final scene

a World Series win?

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

thats a little cliched, isn't it?

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by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Cliche shmiche

I’ll watch that movie a million times.

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, you meant for the Orioles to win the series!

Oh, that’s much better than just Nolan watching the World Series end on the television while he plays with his child.

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by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Ultimate cliche:

Nolan pinch-hit walk-off grand slam on a full count with two outs in game 7.

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by Eat More Esskay on Nov 15, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

While pinch hitting for an injured Albert Pujols!

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by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 15, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you mean Felix Pie

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Nov 15, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

eugh.

Good grief… another golden nugget from Royle..

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 5:44 PM EST reply actions  

Stop

you’re hurting my soul. 3 year deal? That has to be a joke, right?

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

wowzers

so…let’s run through this really quick:

1) The Papi quote is old, and has been retracted.

2) The Red Sox have Ortiz under contract for the year. He no free agent.

3) Hey wait a second, this article is old! You’re just going through her old posts to find hatred to spew? I object!

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by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

It's dated November 1 of this year...

That’s not THAT old.

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by Eat More Esskay on Nov 15, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

eh

I don’t think we need to go digging through some bad writer’s trash to talk smack. No reason for it. It won’t even make me feel any better about being a unpaid blogger. It has zero upshot. Let’s just all move along, people.

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by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that's fair.

Being generally limited in the number of damns I have to give, I can’t say that Jen Royle is worth one.

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by Eat More Esskay on Nov 15, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I admit!

that was an old article, but the fact that it was old doesn’t make it OK to offer Ortiz a 3 year contract under any circumstances. I didn’t even have to go farther than the first page of her magnum opus to find it.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm going with the Eagles

Vick is amazing. And i need 20 combined fantasy points from him and desean jackson to win my fantasy game.

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 8:34 PM EST reply actions  

Well....that didn't take long!

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by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 15, 2010 8:42 PM EST reply actions  

this is going to be brutal

41-10 eagles.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 8:56 PM EST reply actions  

Nah. 62-3.

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by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

And I'm a skins fan.

Although after this McNabb contract I’m seriously questioning my loyalty.

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by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Well you can just look a couple of miles away to find your new team.

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

eugh.

I hope you mean the Eagles.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah I'm aware

don’t worry, I know all of you purple camo wearing nuts like to try and pawn off this team onto the giant pity-party that is Washington

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t go as far as Camo. Who do you think I am, Bruce? It’s just me and my autographed authentic Ed Reed jersey. With a Ravens Beanie on gameday.

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

good

you’ve got a sense of self awareness.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Ew

You’re a Redskins fan and you’d consider the Eagles before the Ravens? Wow.

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by daveh873 on Nov 15, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd stop watching football before I switched teams.

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

After the season is over, I'm giving up football for at least one year

I’d have quit earlier if the Ravens didn’t look like the best team they’ve had since 2000.

I’ll quit for one year, and then decide if I want to watch football again. The concussion issue really bugs me. You can go on YouTube and see 8 year old kids getting knocked out. Just get rid of the facemask.

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by the fix is in on Nov 15, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

me neither

Vick’s in right now and I’m up by 30 already but still, never hurts to break some skulls while we’re at it.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I have D-Jax and Vick and I’m down by 6. They have already combined for about 25 points. I love the Eagles offense

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I have the Skins defense

and my opponent has Philly. Yuck.

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by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel your pain

I started the Chiefs-D last night. Terrible decision. And I dropped the Dallas-D to get them. Fucking fuck fuck.

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I had a comfortable lead

but he also has Desean Jackson who is already at close to 20 points. I still have a 24 point lead, but it doesn’t look safe.

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by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

YOu know they are projecting for vick and jackson to combine for about 40 more points.

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they will get benched after half.

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by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

How do you see the SKins scoring points?

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow the Redskins are TERRIBLE

That was just McNabb being McNabb…..

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 8:59 PM EST reply actions  

so

what was that about the Skins containing Vick again?

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 9:03 PM EST reply actions  

270 yards in the first quarter

this is actually sooooo much fun to watch

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

If I was a Redskins fan, I would have just started watching to see how many points the Eagles can score after the first 10 minutes. Because honestly, there is no way they will win.

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not even Vick

You and I could go out there and throw to each other. We’d probably pick up 270 yards ourselves. Fuckin’ Landry and Hall couldn’t tackle my grandma.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

True

He’s made good plays, but the Skins are making this easy. I have no doubt in my mind that any team (including some college teams) could destroy them. They aren’t even getting the basics right.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

ok

let’s calm down. NFL teams are made up of the best college players in the nation. most teams are lucky to have 3 major prospects on their teams. but I definitely see your point.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno man

Minus that last game, Oregon runs a pretty damn good offensive attack. And if you can’t tackle, you can’t tackle.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

true

but the line would get eaten alive by Big Al and Orakpo. LaMichael James would give this Skins team a run for it’s money.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

as long as I'm being serious here

the Skins really aren’t even close to this bad, the Eagles are just putting on a freaking show right now.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 9:18 PM EST reply actions  

Negative

It really isn’t the Eagles. It’s the Skins. Zero pass rush, no tackling, no nothing.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

wow to think

that 320 yards and 35 points in two quarters is just the Skins being bad? this has approached a new level of bad

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you even see the four missed tackles on that simple handoff?

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Jerome Harrison?

yeah.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Hall just fell on his face

Didn’t even try to tackle besides sticking his arm out. Yea….that’s gonna stop most NFL RBs. Try again DeAngelo

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

This is unreal.

I’ve never seen anything like it in all my life. And I root for some bad teams. This may end up worse than 30-3.

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

What would be the equivalent of 30-3, in football terms?

The average runs scored per game this year in baseball was 4.38 per team. 30 is 6.85 times that amount. The average score per team in the NFL is around 21. Multiply that by 6.85 and you get almost 144 points. So, technically speaking, no football team will ever get slaughtered as badly as the O’s.

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea except teams put up 15-20 runs in baseball semi-frequently.

Especially when compared to NFL teams putting up 60+ which would be the equivalent to 15 runs by your concept.

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by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course there are a lot more MLB games so

who knows.

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

True

I’ve just always wondered what the football equivalent of that game would be, so when you brought it up I decided to do a little math. I think, aside from the exact math, an NFL team would have to score about 70+ to be an “equivalent” to that game.

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea. Would have to set the record for points scored.

Currently 73-0. Washington was on the wrong end of that one also.

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by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

So I’d have to say 80 would be necessary then. I just can’t imagine 80 points ever being scored in the NFL.

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Well you might want to stay tuned.

Although the Eagles appear to be return to Earth. Or at least they are back inside the atmosphere.

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by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

wowowowowowwowowow

this is amazing

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 9:26 PM EST reply actions  

"I've never seen anything like it!"

I have. The Redskins scored 35 in ONE QUARTER in a Super Bowl, in a game they were losing 10-0 at the time.

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 15, 2010 9:28 PM EST reply actions  

I really hate that they had to be playing the Skins right now

This is just adding fuel to the “Vick is a real quarterback” fire.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

uh...

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

He is.

He has progressed leaps and bounds since coming back into the league

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

He still runs the ball almost everytime Desean is covered.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

He doesnt have to force it to Maclin

He’s hardly being covered. Desean gets double coverage and Maclin is wide open. They could have blown Indy out of the water last week if he had even looked to throw Maclin’s way.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Well true. But maybe that’s part of him developing as a QB. He needs to look for other reads. Because his whole career in Atlanta it was either run or Roddy White. He needs to fins a way to open the running game and look for all of his receivers.

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

there was no way he was a star though

he wasn’t Vick’s number 1 if he only had 500 yards in his first full season. in fact, he kind of exploded after Vick left in 07 which is when he had his first 1000 yard season and he hasn’t looked back since.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea...cuz he knew he was gonna get dumped when his contract expired

Guy figured out he couldn’t eat McDonald’s everyday and actually had to, you know, train in the offseason.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s because they started to pass the ball. VIck used to be run first pass later, but now he can do both, which is why Jackson AND Vick are playing so well.

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I still maintain its look Jackson's way then run

Jackson makes him look way better than he is. Put him on, say, the Skins where he has nobody to throw to and he’d keep every other snap.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s Moss.

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea....look how well he's played tonite (and all season for that matter)

McNabb sure hasn’t looked good, but I really think Moss has been awful this season.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't sleep on Anthony Armstrong.

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by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Pishhh

He’s a scrub. One of the better scrubs, but still a scrub. They need somebody way more consistent to be the number 2 guy.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

He is better than it appears.

Remember this offensive line is horrible and McNabb has no time to throw. That makes McNabb and the receivers look bad.

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by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

He has had some huge plays this year.

Including one just a few plays ago.

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by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Poor man's Mike Wallace

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not aiming very high, is it?

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Not something to build a team around

but a good weapon to have nonetheless.

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Wallace is a beast

no doubt

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh...we'll see

I’m not sold on him yet. He’s looking good though.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

He’s gotta be consistent tho. And you’re absolutely correct. The Skins MUST improve that O-line. Where’s Samuels when you need him.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

At least we have Samuels

coaching Trent Williams.

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by Knubles and Bits on Nov 15, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

so it wasn't just run or White then

it was run first, run second.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea...he hardly ever threw the ball

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

White's pretty old

was drafted in 2005. Has just taken him forever to put it together

by kba26 on Nov 15, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha...well he DID have Algae fuckin Crumpler

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

This is Crazy

I’m raping my fantasy opponent.

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 9:32 PM EST reply actions  

Let's choose another verb, shall we?

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 15, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Obliterating

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm good with that

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 15, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

A new word needs to be invented for this

I nominate oblitannihitizing

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

In a MNF game

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Just MNF?

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it raining near DC?

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 15, 2010 9:38 PM EST reply actions  

Apparently

Looks like its raining pretty good there. It’s dry in Northern VA tho.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

People were saying the same about McNabb....

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but McNabb has been trash all season.

Vick has been insane all year. Vick should’ve gotten the huge contract

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

This is also Vick's best year ever

and being on the “wrong side of 30”, and having taken a lot of abuse with his style of play, it’ll be hard for any team to justify signing him to a McNabb-like deal.

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

His criminal past likely doesn't help his cause.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Man shut up.

Did he do his time? Yes! And he’s moved on. Quit beating a dead horse. He’s been given a second chance, and he’s taken advantage of every second of it.

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey don't be an asshole

The guy didn’t get a huge contract when he got out because, guess what, he was in prison. I wouldn’t take him on my team regardless, so he should be happy he’s even getting a chance to play.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Um...not exactly

Although I’m sure that had something to do with it.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

a whole lot to do with it

Stallworth was back in the league and on a team very shortly after he got out of the clink for killing a man…

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

On accident. Then after hitting him Stallworth tried to keep him alive while he waited for Ambulances.

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

oh sorry I was speeding at 4 AM while high on dope

it doesn’t work that way…it’s a good sentiment and it’s not like he meant to do it but it’s still manslaughter and that doesn’t look good on any resume.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

and by sentiment I mean that it's good that he stayed with the dude

but it still doesn’t make it right.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

You really need to get your facts straight

“high on dope”? Please. he was only slightly over the legal limit for alcohol, and the guy was running across a highway. It was an unfortunate accident.

by kba26 on Nov 15, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

well he WAS going wayyyy over the speed limit

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

True, but DR05 did have that part right.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

beat me to it.

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh...thought he was going faster than that

(okay….kind of what she said)

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I love the wicked defense for criminals in the NFL

If the guy who was killed had been somebody you knew well, would you say the same thing?

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course not

but that doesn’t mean that should determine how the rest of society should treat them.

by kba26 on Nov 15, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Put yourself in his situation

Would you want to be given a second chance to redeem your life, or would you just rot and take shit about what a terrible person you are?

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

And I'd make the same argument for anyone

He shouldn’t get given special treatment for being an NFL player, but he shouldn’t be demonized for it either. Someone who made the mistake he did should be given a second chance, and part that requires the opportunity to reestablish the career they’re best suited for. It just so happens in his case, that career is playing professional football.

by kba26 on Nov 15, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Would you get the same treatment if you had committed the same crime?

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s called an appeal. Everyone gets a chance to be released early from prison if they have shown positive changes Vick and Stallworth’s cases were just brought to light more because of the media.

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably not, but my profession has certain ethical requirements that go along with it

but for most people, I think they do deserve the same treatment. I feel like theres plenty of people on this site alone who have made the same mistake. Driving 10 miles an hour over the speed limit while being that far over the bac limit is hardly an uncommon.

by kba26 on Nov 15, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Mine has many fewer ethical requirements than yours does

And I’d be out of a job too.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd say

man I wish he hadn’t tried to sprint across a highway in the middle of the night…

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by O'sFan21 on Nov 16, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

This

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry alcohol

that makes it a whole lot better. I already said that he didn’t mean to do it, I’m not trying to criminalize Stallworth I’m just saying that as soon as he got out of prison he had offers. my main point is that prison isn’t a death sentence to an NFL career.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

and it shouldn't be

nor to any career for any other person. Second offense though, they should never see the light of day again, in my opinion.

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

First of all, it was alchohol

and he was barely above the legal limit. ANd you made it sound like he did it on purpose.

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, I think Stallworth is a good player

and aside from the accident, he has always seemed like a pretty good human being, but if anyone lost a loved one in that kind of situation, you probably wouldn’t be as forgiving.

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

aactually.

I directly stated that it’s obvious he didn’t do it on purpose.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

simmer your sauce...

what did I say? he was speeding, while I had the illegal substance wrong initially, he was on something (alcohol) and I said that it was an accident. the point wasn’t to defame Stallworth, in fact it was to point out that the NFL is very lenient about past criminal charges.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

You said he was high on dope!

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by O'sFan21 on Nov 16, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

well excuse me

I admitted that, I had my facts screwed up because I only saw the first press release on it and never really paid attention to it that well. it was a substance that’s illegal to have while driving wasn’t it? we’re honestly just splitting hairs here

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by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

OK????

The fact that you admitted you were way the hell off afterward doesn’t change the fact that it was a totally absurd post.

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by O'sFan21 on Nov 16, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

it really isn't a huge stretch from drugs to alcohol...

again, it’s just splitting hairs, neither one of them is good to do while driving, both impare judgment, etc. can we move along? don’t bite my head off for saying something that wasn’t all that ridiculous, it’d be one thing if I’d said that he was on crack or something but NFL players are busted for weed all the time, honestly I could care less which substance it was, it’s kind of petty in the grand scheme of things

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by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes it is a huge stretch. It's completely different.

And I’m happy to move along – you’re the one who keeps coming back to it. Don’t say things that are completely ridiculous and factually incorrect if you don’t want your post ripped apart. Goodle can be a great friend.

And just an FYI – dope might have referred to weed in the 1960s, but almost nobody calls it that these days. It’s much more commonly used to refer to heroin (“dope and coke 24/7” and all).

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by O'sFan21 on Nov 16, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

well

I was talking about weed…I don’t know what you want me to say, sorry for this one time I was wrong in the internet? I know plenty of people who call weed dope though, it hasn’t been abandoned by a long shot…

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by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't care whether you say sorry

but don’t get all whiny if somebody complains about a factually ridiculous post that could have been avoided by just doing a 30 second google search about the topic you were commenting on.

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by O'sFan21 on Nov 16, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

no need to go to name calling here pal

I made a mistake, clearly not everyone still calls weed dope. IN MY EXPERIENCE it’s not a dead term, I’m sitting in a study hall right now and just asked 6 of my classmates sitting at this table to identify what came to mind when I said dope. 5 out of 6 said weed. it’s not the correct way to name it and I’m fully aware of the differences between the two drugs. from where I’m standing though, the term dope means weed and I wasn’t insinuating anything totally outrageous. clearly, we don’t share that opinion which is cool by me, I’m not going to tell you what to think, but in return I ask that you do the same here. the word has different meanings for different people and I’m leaving it at that.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Huh? Where did I do any name calling?

Even if dope means weed he wasn’t on weed and your post was still factually incorrect. That’s the point.

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by O'sFan21 on Nov 16, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

where you called me "whiny"?

but that’s not the point. I don’t want to start something so I’ll leave it at this; the first time I saw a press release, it said that he had weed in his system. that’s turned out to be not true but I had no reason to second-guess the initial report. if I had suspected any untruth to that report, I probably would have looked into it further before posting but I didn’t, so that’s that. was it ignorant? maybe, but telling me to “get it together” isn’t really called for.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

What did you completely stop paying attention to the story after reading some initial internet rumor? It was huge news for months.

Also I really don’t think “whiny” counts as name calling and it seems pretty fucking whiny to complain about it. In addition to telling you to get it together I’ll also tell you to harden the fuck up.

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by O'sFan21 on Nov 16, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, basically I did actually

I don’t generally get too attached to stuff like the legal troubles of athletes, I wasn’t a fan of the Browns at the time and it seemed like Stallworth was starting to get over the hill anyway, it made sense, NFL players are busted for weed all the time so there wasn’t any reason to believe it wasn’t true.

I never said you scarred me for life over here, I just said that it was kind of uncalled for…I’m willing to drop this whole thing if you are, frankly I didn’t think it would be this big a deal and I didn’t mean to piss anyone off like this.
I’m going to take that as a little bit of tongue in cheek there considering how much we all love the “harden the fuck up” guy…

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by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude chilllllllllllll outtttttt

The kid made a mistake. He admitted it. We’ve all moved on now.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Says the guy who told everybody to harden the fuck up for about 6 weeks straight??

Wasn’t it obvious I was just fucking with him? I thought his original post was silly and I told him and then I thought his whining about it was also silly so I started fucking with him.

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by O'sFan21 on Nov 16, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

You're taking it to the next level

Just stop.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 17, 2010 8:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I think that may be going too far

not that it was not ridiculous, but “most ridiculous thing ever posted on CC” is a pretty high honor and not something that should be handed out so easily.

by kba26 on Nov 16, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

haha this is true

I just found the “speeding at 4 AM while high on dope” to be totally absurd. Not to mention something out of Reefer Madness…

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by O'sFan21 on Nov 16, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's leave it at "speeding under the influence of intoxicating chemicals"

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by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

for the record

I recognize that it was a ridiculous statement, it was meant to be that way and not to be taken totally at face value. I didn’t think it would piss people off so much and I know it was a total accident, and the part that I really disagree with is the " most ridiculous thing" ever posted here.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Accidentally killing a human being due to operating heavy machinery while impaired

Is a hell of a lot worse than killing dogs.

Dogs have a very small neocortex and are controlled by their limbic system. Humans, on the other hand, have a huge neocortex and may be the only species that understands that their time on Earth is finite.

All humans die, and humans grapple with this. And this guys life ended before he could make amends. The dogs though, they feel, but they don’t understand that when they die they aint coming back, you know?

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by the fix is in on Nov 15, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Many animals understand, and even mourn death

Human beings are so arrogant to think our lives are more important than any other animal. Just because we have higher intelligence doesn’t give us higher worth. If animals didn’t understand death, why is their primary instinct survival?

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Not at all

our instinct is also survival, and part of that is eating other animals. I’m just saying we, as a species, tend to overvalue ourselves because we have evolved complex thought.

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

but what about the creepy beef industry?

that shit’s really messed up yet you probably support that.
just so you know, I’m totally playing devil’s advocate on this one, what people say interests me

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I am a red blooded, meat eating American

I’m not advocating veganism, or saying shut down slaughterhouses. It’s a sad reality that life requires the death of others. All I’m saying is, it really isn’t “worse” to kill a human for no reason than to kill an animal for no reason. Of course every species is more inclined to protect itself over other species, but along with our complex thought that makes us “special”, we also are arrogant enough to think we are the most important thing to ever happen to exist.

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm far from a vegan as well

and I am a meat eater. But I could definitely see myself going to vegetarianism in the future. I’ve already given up poultry, even though most vegetarians give up beef easier.

I really believe that the less meat you eat, the better you’re being for the earth. I read somewhere that a vegan hummer driver is much much better for the earth than a meat-eating Prius driver.

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by the fix is in on Nov 15, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Throw a little hot sauce on there

and I’ll try it

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

nooooooooo

i decided recently that kangaroos are my favorite animals. Don’t think I could eat them.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

i know! that's one of the reasons i like them!

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 15, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

The only reason that's true is also because of us

no other species is as self destructive, or habitat destructive as we are. The planet would thrive if we one day disappeared.

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Where else IN THE WHOLE UNIVERSE

have we found complex, abstract thought?

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by the fix is in on Nov 15, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

There are probably creatures somewhere in the EXTREMELY VAST universe

that make us look like dogs in comparison to them. There’s just no way to say, in the entire universe, that we are the greatest thing since sliced bread. We very well may be, but it isn’t likely.

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, this. I agree completely.

But if aliens visited Earth, which species are they going to interact with? Which species will be the most interesting to study its evolution?

I mean, shit, maybe the aliens can deciper whale songs and focus on whales instead. But that seems unlikely.

Aliens > Humans > whales and dolphins > primates > mammals > reptiles > insects.

Is it arrogant of me to swat a fly?

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by the fix is in on Nov 15, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

No, just to think you're better than it

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

man, I am better than a fly

I could defeat a fly in every fucking thing.

I could run further. I could travel a longer distance. I can do math. I can build things. With the help of other humans, I can change the face of our planet.

I am sitting here and I can’t think of how a fly can even think of trying compare to me.

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by the fix is in on Nov 15, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

but can you fly

farther than a fly?

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

In an airplane that mankind created

will be his answer lol

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't lie

that made me laugh pretty hard. Maybe better isn’t the right word. What I am trying to say is every animal, from a human to a dog to a fly, has the same right to life as any other.

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

the replies aren't even separated from other comments now

we’ve broken the chat

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, mammal mothers mourn when their young is taken

But most reptiles don’t even do that.

Human beings are not more “important” than anything. We’re made of the same things as everyone else. Humans (and all breathing animals) depend on plants for oxygen, but plants don’t necessarily depends on animals for CO2 due to volcanos and outgassing. So plants have the most worth, in this example.

But I’d say that human intelligence is by far the most interesting subject on the planet. I don’t think humans are “worth” more than what they are, but they are worth more to study!

Also, I’m not saying that animals don’t understand death, I’m saying they don’t understand the inevitability of their OWN death.

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by the fix is in on Nov 15, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

No doubt we're the most intelligent species on the planet.

But we’re not even close to the most evolved. And this planet is like a molecule in a piece of sand in the Sahara Desert x 1000 in relation to the universe. So who knows what else is out there. To say “nothing” would be extremely naive.

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I know.

I strongly believe in increasing funding in radio astronomy to look for faint radio sources. Actually, i kind of believe in just giving NASA all of our money so that they can tell us fascinating things.

I’d bet that this planet is more than ten times smaller in the scale you just displayed. (actually, I just noticed your x1000, but still. It could be x10,000)

What is death but the ending of consciousness? If humans have the most “advanced” consciousness, then aren’t their deaths more sad? You’re losing more.

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by the fix is in on Nov 15, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I strongly believe in the exploration of the universe

but to look for radio waves is pointless, in my opinion. If, by chance, other creatures evolved to the same level, or past us, their technology is likely different than ours, and radio waves take so long to travel, if they happened to have similar technology, we’d be hearing something thousands, or even millions of years old.

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Again you're right

But I think radio is acceptable because it’s easy, and hell it’s part of the light spectrum, so it can travel as fast as possible. Also, although the technology would be different, if an alien society was actively looking for signs of intelligence (as we are) , wouldn’t they search for primitive life with primitive technology?

“if humans are x smart, then they must have stumbled on radio technology by now”

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by the fix is in on Nov 15, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I would love to live in a time

where we have enough technology to find a planet with life one day. Or for it to find us. What will most likely happen is, like humans are doing to this planet, a species will use up its resources and look elsewhere for a planet to live on. Any planet that can support life, will have it. That’s just the way nature works. Life wants to exist anywhere and everywhere it can. In fact, it’s possible that other advanced civilizations have already stumbled upon eachother somewhere.

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

it's awesome to think about

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by the fix is in on Nov 15, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, we better hurry up too

it’s only a matter of time before this planet become unhabitable due to lack or resources/natural disaster/or if we make it far enough, the sun burning out enough to where the planet pretty much dies or many other possible reasons. We are doomed to extinction if we can’t find somewhere else to live.

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Sometimes I think it would be a miracle

if humans even got so old to even think about having to leave the earth due to the death of our sun.

We wouldn’t really be homo sapiens anymore either.

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by the fix is in on Nov 15, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Our deaths are more sad to us

but we are nothing more than another creature. In the grand scheme of things, we are meaningless completely.

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

You and I agree more than we disagree

and I have a meeting at 5:30 am, so I’ll finish with this.
1. It sounds like you need to discover wide-view, thank me later lol
2. “we are meaningless completely” – thanks for sharing that, I can more understand how you are thinking. I beg to differ. With the billions and billions of humans who have died, some of them are still thought about today. Also, all humans who have died have contributed to our evolution through natural selection, doing their part to contribute (or not) to the most advanced intelligent society in our solar system.

All stars die. Are all stars completely meaningless in the grand scheme of things? I can think of one star that is far from meaningless to me.

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by the fix is in on Nov 15, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

To the universe, we are meaningless

as is our sun, as is existence period. If existence stopped tomorrow, how meaningful would humans/flies/planet earth/this galaxy be?

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

In other words

meaning is completely relative

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Man, I loved this discussion

I really do still have to go to bed.

adios amigo

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by the fix is in on Nov 15, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha ok

maybe it’ll be picked back up another time

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a purely outcome-oriented view of it.

A human’s death is worse than a dog’s death – of course. But results aren’t the only thing that matters. Anybody can make a mistake and accidentally kill somebody. It takes a special kind of asshole to intentionally torture and/or kill an animal. Study after study has shown that people who intentionally hurt animals are substantially more likely to hurt people. Let’s not just talk about the crimes based on the outcomes, but what they say about the people that committed them.

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by O'sFan21 on Nov 16, 2010 1:46 AM EST up reply actions  

manslaughter

the poor man’s murder. fine you don’t like that one? Pacman Jones then! hell I don’t know if Tank Johnson went to prison but he had a bunch of run ins with the law.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

If Charles Manson was young and could run a 4.3 40

and got out today, he’d be on an NFL roster.

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

and by that I mean the Bengals

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Fine, the DC sniper then

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

ouch man, ouch

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Or Jeremy Bloom

before the NCAA made him stop playing football

by kba26 on Nov 15, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I like that guy

Wish he’d go back to freestyle skiing

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

It was a wait and see thing, and he’s proven all the critics. But people still find a way to hate on him.

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Well yeah.....and some of that is well-earned

Only in the NFL (or in the case of Gilbert fucking Arenas, the NBA) can you be a convicted criminal and still make millions.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

GIlbert is a dumbass

He didn’t really commit any REAL crime, all he did was bring unloaded guns in as a prank. He’s a dumbfuck, but he’s still a monster on the court. He’s coming off a 30 point game.

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone who puts up a game winning 3

and turns around in celebration BEFORE seeing it go in….is pretty beast.

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Jaworski tonight said,

“he’s paid a harsh penalty for what he did. He did time in jail, he gave up the money….”

I almost vomited. Dude spent a year and a half in prison and didn’t get paid millions of dollars. I’m supposed to feel sorry for him? No way.

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by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Only feel sorry if someone is wrongly convicted or unjustly penalized

He knew he was doing wrong and paid the consequences, end of story.

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

not end of story...

… to those who feel he didn’t really pay many consequences.

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by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

He got what the system dictates

you can’t really hold that against him

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Arguing whether the system is correct

is a whole different story

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

i can hold whatever i want against him

I think he’s a detestable human being. him spending a few months in jail won’t change that.

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by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't disagree with you

but do you think he doesn’t deserve a 2nd chance? Granted, if he wasn’t caught, he’d probably still be doing the same thing.

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

no i don't think he deserves a second chance.

not a bit. i put what he did up there with some of the most heinous crimes i can think of.

would i give a murderer or rapist or child molester a second chance a the nfl? no.

and nor would i give one to someone who knowingly ran a dogfighting ring for years. it’s just beyond any scope of normal that i conjure up.

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by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I happen to mostly agree with you

but I happen to think the system/people in general also have a lot of fault in it.

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 16, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

everyone draws their lines differently

whether the justice system went far enough or not can be debated until the cows come home.

the fact is, nobody put a trigger to the eagle’s head and said, “you have to sign this guy.” that’s all on them. it’s on reid and mcnabb, for convincing lurie to do it.

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by zknower on Nov 16, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

* eagles' heads

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by zknower on Nov 16, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

It isn't an NFL team's responsibility to interpret the law

some teams have higher moral codes than others, but if a player who can clearly make their team better is available, many teams will take a shot. It is a business after all.

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 16, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

many teams will take a shot,

and many won’t.

It’s not about “interpreting the law.” It’s about who you are willing to work with. What you will tolerate, and what you won’t.

A LOT of teams passed on Vick.

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by zknower on Nov 16, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I bet a lot less pass on him this time around

unless Philly signs him before he hits free agency

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 16, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

no doubt.

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by zknower on Nov 16, 2010 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Because very few in the NFL value any kind of character

As long as you make plays. Why do you think Pacman Jones is still in the league? Or Donte Stallworth?

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by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

This.

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by O'sFan21 on Nov 16, 2010 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not like he was signed for the league minimum

He didn’t get anything huge, but it was a decent deal, and he’ll do better this time around.

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

that was supposed to be a reply to the contract talk

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

He got out of prison to make MILLIONS. How many people can say that they accomplished that?

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

hahahahaha

True….

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

He did his time

That doesnt absolve him of scrutiny. When you do something as deplorable as he did, you deserve to be trashed on at every turn. Playing football well doesnt change that. Just because he fulfilled his legal obligation doesnt mean everyone has to love him. I hope he gets hit by a car tonight after the game, personally. And then electrocuted and drowned.

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by daveh873 on Nov 15, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The sad thing

is that for a lot of people playing football well actually does make everything ok again.

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by O'sFan21 on Nov 16, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

And just to be clear...

I obviously dont wish for all that stuff to really happen to him. If it did I wouldn’t shed a tear, but you get what i’m saying.

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by daveh873 on Nov 16, 2010 6:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Okay...I'm not gonna go that far

But I really wish he wasn’t allowed to play football. I’ve been saying that since Philly originally signed him.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 8:30 AM EST up reply actions  

well said.

this pretty much sums it up for me.

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by zknower on Nov 16, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd for truth

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by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep - that's always been my feeling.

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by O'sFan21 on Nov 16, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

too bad it wasn’t cats.

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by BPinOK on Nov 16, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd almost bemore pissed if it was cats

though if he was running a cat fighting circuit, I might have felt a bit of pity for his troubled, ill mind.

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by daveh873 on Nov 16, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Like you could force cats to fight.

they’re way too smart for that.

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by Stacey on Nov 17, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

cats are the devils spawn. they sneak around all high and mighty trying to steal baby’s breath and all.

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by BPinOK on Nov 17, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

don't tell people to shut up on this board.

one warning is all you get.

And for the record, just because he “did his time” doesn’t mean he isn’t a repugnant human being.

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by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah this is such old news by now

he’s so clearly not the same person anymore.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

That has nothing to do with it.

He didn’t get a big contract because he was a huge risk when he got out. Just because he’s past that now has nothing to do with when he signed the contract.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I was talking about his next contract

his past really shouldn’t factor into that one at all IMO.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 15, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I doubt it will

But the fact remains, he’s still playing on that initial deal.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

He's the same person

Maybe he changed certain parts of his behavior. Maybe there are certain people that he avoids. He didn’t change his name, did he?

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by the fix is in on Nov 15, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Only to Ron Mexico

but that’s a different story entirely….

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't really care

It’s between the police, his employer, and him. If he starts killing dogs again, he’s going to take more precautions to not get caught. If he gets caught again, he’ll get a longer jail sentence than before, most likely (depending on the state, I guess). I don’t think he’s ever going to kill a dog again. Why would he? There is no possible benefit.

I mean, I do care. I would hate it if he started killing dogs.

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by the fix is in on Nov 15, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Philly wants to wait and see how he does come playoff time.

Outside of Indy, Vick hasn’t started against anybody good.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

But you never know if it's just a one year thing with him

he has definite potential to significantly regress.

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

How? He's been progressing every game this season/

Who’s to say that won’t continue?

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by Zachary Beard on Nov 15, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying it won't

I’m just saying it’s possible, and something teams will consider before giving him 40 million guaranteed.

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

to be fair

its pretty hard to justify signing McNabb to a McNabb-like deal.

by kba26 on Nov 15, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely

Although I have to say, I laugh in Danny Snyder’s general direction. Not my money he’s wasting.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

no kidding

this game is making me physically ill

On the plus side, it’s ONE GAME. I have no doubt they’ll put it behind them.

I expected zero from the Skins this year, and they may still finish above .500. Or not.

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by zknower on Nov 15, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

This game is putting Cin/Cle to shame

58-48 a few years back

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 9:49 PM EST reply actions  

At least McNabb is trying.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

We may, just may, have a game

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 15, 2010 9:50 PM EST reply actions  

If you just jinxed it, duck character, you sir are banned.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 15, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

What the fuck is going on with this football game?

45-14? Did they decide to just contest the game in Madden?

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by Eat More Esskay on Nov 15, 2010 10:24 PM EST reply actions  

My typical Madden score

is close to 100…on every level except All Madden, then it’s about 20

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I used to have that problem too.

It’s such a hard balance of wanting to kick ass but also wanting to feel challenged.

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by the fix is in on Nov 15, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

True, I get frustrated on All Madden because running is nearly impossibly

but anything less and it’s like USC playing Towson.

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

impossible*

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea....the thing I've noticed about All-Madden is that the CPU team doesn't get better

You just get worse. My wide-open receivers drop perfect passes, my RBs fumble with much greater regularity, and my OL becomes essentially useless.

Then I switch back to All-Pro or whatever the level below All-Madden is and I crush the computer. I usually isn’t even close. I really want them to come up with a better difficulty level.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

They have the adjustable difficulty as well

but I swear anytime I use that it’s even easier. All-pro is all 10’s and all-madden is all 15’s, and if I set it to all 13’s, I generally win by more than if I just played on all-pro.

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by daveh873 on Nov 16, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly!

It’s so annoying. Don’t get why it does that. I’ve even tried setting some of them at the All Madden level, but it doesn’t change anything.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Restarting the discussion down here

if you care to follow

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 10:41 PM EST reply actions  

59

wow

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 11:08 PM EST reply actions  

Even if Philly tries to let up

they’ll probably still score more…any guesses on final Eagles total?

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll only go as far as

65 31. Backups should finish out the game on both sides, if the teams knew what was good for them.

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Why even call penalties at this point?

Or even stop the clock? Just take the ’skins out back like a horse with a broken leg and do what you have to do.

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 11:13 PM EST reply actions  

Loney?

There were too many comments to read today so this may have come up…what do you guys think of Loney? I read on MLBTR they would move him and go big for a FA. Not much power but I thought he had been pretty consistent with both bat and glove. Then again, I’m usually asleep by the time they play.

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on Nov 15, 2010 11:40 PM EST reply actions  

He's better than anything we have currently

but he’s not the answer either. Ideally, if we had the pieces we really need, he’d be a nice backup for us.

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 15, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

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