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The Mobbies celebration is tonight from 7:30-9:30. Stacey and I and others will be in attendance at RA Sushi, so drop by. It's a completely cash deal, so don't plan on anything free. Just warning you.

Question Du Jour: In case you haven't seen it, Dan Uggla is back on the trade block. The Orioles were interested last year, but between Uggla's apparent unwillingness to accept a move off second, and the Marlins asking price, and the Orioles pickup of certain other free agents, nothing happened. Uggla went on to have his best season yet at age 30, and now he's a free agent in one year. Interested? -Andrew

Orioles offer John Russell one of two open coaching jobs - baltimoresun.com
Former Pirates manager would likely become bench coach but could also coach third. "One of his prime duties will be working with young catcher Matt Wieters."...Showalter is still looking for an infield coach to round out the staff. Former Mets manager Willie Randolph and Yankees third base coach Rob Thomson are two names under consideration. -zk

Brewers' Roenicke completes his staff - JSOnline
The Brewers replaced one Rick (Peterson) with another (Kranitz). -zk

Free-agency market for Manny Ramirez could be slim- bellinghamherald.com
Should the O's take a gamble on Manny as a one-year DH? With Boras negotiating, probably not. -zk

Orioles Insider: Fanfest 2011 set for Jan. 29
The Orioles' FanFest 2011 is scheduled for Saturday, Jan. 29 at the Baltimore Convention Center.

Orioles Insider: O's sign pitcher Atkins to minor league deal, re-sign several of their own
It's MITCH Atkins, people, MITCH, not Garrett. And Stacey's favorite reliever, Will Startup, resigned with the Orioles, as did Raul Rivero, Adam Donachie, and Carlos Rojas.

Steve Melewski: Mike Griffin is returning to the O's organization
The Norfolk pitching coach is coming back to the AAA team.

School of Roch: Is Randolph the final coaching piece?
Looks like the former Yankee will be the one sending Matt Wieters home from second on a ground ball to first this year.

Nature center reports Cockroach, geckos among wildlife stolen - baltimoresun.com
"If you see a Madagascar hissing cockroach, call Baltimore police." Now THAT is a lede sentence! Seriously, critters from the Carrie Murray Nature Center in West Baltimore's Leakin Park have been stolen. The center is named after Eddie Murray's mom.

Bias or Insight? | FanGraphs Baseball
Dejan Kovacevic, a beat writer for the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, filed a National League Rookie of the Year ballot that included two players from the Pirates, but did not include Jason Heyward.

ADP Crowdsourcing: Adam Jones | FanGraphs Fantasy Baseball
FanGraphs' readers take guesses at what Adam Jones' fantasy production will be next year. I'm just gonna leave that last sentence alone, I think.

Winter Leagues: Arizona Fall League: Statistics | MLB.com: Events
Scottsdale won, but the page wouldn't load correctly for me to get any relevant O's stats. 

There's something out there. That... that witch in the cellar is only part of it. It lives... out in those woods, in the dark... something... something that's come back from the Open Thread.

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Peter Angelos

is even laughing at Dan Snyder.
“Danny, Pete here, thanks a million! I totally forgot about Belle just now. Well, good luck with the football thingy. Gotta run, this guy Buck here is trying to tell me what to do.”

by Philly O's on Nov 16, 2010 7:47 AM EST reply actions  

That is ridiculous

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 16, 2010 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I have never worked in a company where the health plan kicks in day 1.

I’m pretty sure that they all made me wait until the first day after my first full month of employment. That’s the whole point of COBRA, which is really expensive. So most of us regular people don’t buy it and just walk on eggshells for a month until the new plan kicks in. The last time I changed jobs, I got a grade 3 sprained ankle on the exact day that my new insurance kicked in.

"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."

by tflach2 on Nov 16, 2010 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

It kicks in depending on how fast you get paid.

I just happened to start my current job 5 days before the pay period ended, so I enrolled in health care within 3 days of starting the job and it kicked in almost immediately since the funds were immediately withdrawn from that first paycheck.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

The hypocricy is...

That’s all that guy ran on, that and “Frank’s first vote was for…PELOSI!!!!!!”

After almost a year of hearing Harris beat Kratovil over the head for voting for some procedural vote to allow discussion (Frank actually voted against the actual bill, believe it or not), for Harris to go to DC on his first orientation day and demand his free health care immediately is the height of hypocricy.

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 16, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Its not hypocritical

because it shows how inefficient government-run health care is. or something.

by kba26 on Nov 16, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

The choice line...

Nix said Harris, who is the father of five, wasn’t being hypocritical – he was just pointing out the inefficiency of government-run health care.

Right – so inefficient that he wants it, RIGHT NOW.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 16, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. "Or something" being the key phrase

He can’t wait to repeal ObamaCare, so give it to him NOW!

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 16, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Just when I think I can't possibly hold anymore disdain for Mr. Harris....

he goes and exceeds my expectations.

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 16, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

This...

besides, isn’t he already a Doctor – don’t they get some kind of discount for stuff for being in the clib?

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 16, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

He's an anesthesiologist

One of the highest paid sepcialties in medicine.

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 16, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Cry me a freaking river...

Andy Harris – what about all those “regular folk” in Easton or Caimbridge that can’t find work and don’t have health care?

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 16, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I would venture a guess that...

He doesn’t even know where Easton, Cambridge, Denton, or Chesapeake City are. Us rubes out here in the country will just have to get by on our own.

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 16, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Three of those places are dorms on campus in College Park...

the last I think you just made up. Everyone knows the Chesapeake is a Bay, not a City.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 16, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha! My hometown, actually. Known for the C & D canal, which bisects it.

But Harris should know where it’s at. It is in his district.

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 16, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know where those places are either!

City folk FTW

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't get mad at Andy Harris...

…for him Government Healthcare = Status Symbol. If you hand it out to the rabble, it’ll ruin the cache.

by Jonny Pops on Nov 16, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if this story would have made a difference if it somehow could have been known three weeks ago.

Obviously that requires some bending of your head, since it could only take place during a freshman orientation session, but still. I wonder how many people already regret voting for this clown.

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 16, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

What would have made a difference....

…would be if some of these scumbags (GOP & Democrat) would talk honestly for once about the issue. Specifically: Government Healthcare is a really good deal. Of course Andy Harris wants it ASAP. Anyone who knows how to count would.

by Jonny Pops on Nov 16, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

In re: Uggla

Depends on what the Marlins want in return. I believe I read a blurb in a MLBTR article that the Marlins aren’t hung up on getting too great a return, just a B or a couple of C prospects. If that is the case I’d be fine with acquiring him. Tell him to man 3rd base and have Bell start the season in AAA. Even if he doesn’t sign an extension after next season the O’s can collect the 2 draft picks he’ll likely bring back.

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 16, 2010 8:33 AM EST reply actions  

If that's true

then I’m definitely interested in him. He could start the year at third base for Bell and if Brian has his healthy troubles, there’s your 2B.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 16, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Here's the linky I read. See the Olney blurb about halfway down.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/11/dan-uggla-rumors-monday.html

ESPN’s Buster Olney tweets that some clubs “perceive the Marlins are absolutely intent on moving Uggla ASAP, and they are not asking for a high rate of return — a couple of decent guys, no A-plus prospects necessary.”

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 16, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

that surprises me

Uggla is terrible at second…what makes you all so sure he could just move to third and be okay?

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I think his bat plays there fine for a season (or part of a season)

Plus 3B is easier than 2B.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 16, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Bat....Plays....AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 16, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

ugh this again

(breathes in)

yes, Uggla’s bat will play basically anywhere…but his defense will not. Let’s acknowledge that errors are a stupid way to judge things, but he makes more errors with his arm than with his glove right now. And that’s at second. Moving him to third is putting him in the position to fail. You know, just like putting Adam Jones in the leadoff spot of the lineup.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but if you can trade for him for something like PBR outlines above

Knowing that he’s not a long term anything, settling for his defense in exchange for his bat, then collect your draft picks at the end of the year when you tell him adios, I think it’s a good call.

You asked the other day what kind of player would make a good stop gap, I think he would.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 16, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

What about moving him to first?

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

He'd definitely be better there

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 16, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Although I worry about him raising a stink the way he did last year

when trade rumors surfaced.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 16, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

and that's why I imagine

the Orioles havent shown any interest in him this year.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

That could work as well, I suppose.

But what to do about 3rd, then? Bell? Someone like Bill Hall or Juan Uribe?

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 16, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

you're totally ruining tomorrow's question

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

how dare he!

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 16, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

oh well

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

subject

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 16, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

no worries

but it’s all part and parcel: who IS your ideal third bagger in 2011?

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Evan Longoria

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Nov 16, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

why not '70 era Brooks Robinson?

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, you did say ideal

I guess in an ideal world we’d have time travel, but then the 70’s wouldnt habe Robinson.

Then again, cloning…

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Nov 16, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Beltre. But that ain't happening.

Realistically, Hall, Uribe, or Wiggs would suffice on a 1 year deal. Trade ’em around the All Star Break if Bell has proven himself capable in AAA.

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 16, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Eh. I dunno.

Only if he will take a series of one year contracts, because unless he’s playing for one he’s not that good.

by NSOsFan on Nov 16, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Admiral Tyberius von Wiggintorscht, of course.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 16, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

wouldn't height be an issue here?

he’s only 5-11. I see a lot of tall first basemen out there, the only one under 6’ that comes to mind immediately is Fielder. it’s not a huge issue for sure, but Uggla at first worries me for some reason.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Uggla anywhere worries me

I could live with his stone hands at second, except we already have a second basemen. I’d be terrified of him at third, and the height thing is certainly a good point about playing first. And he’d be playing out of position anyway…I can see a lot of balls rolling into the dugout…

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

stick him at DH

Luke is six feet tall.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 16, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

we all know that putting luke at first is the best thing to do

but we all also know that nobody who matters agrees with us.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't know why the Os are so reluctant to give 1B to Luke

If Uggla is a free agent at the end of next season, then we will lose any prospects that we give up for him. We would, however, get a gap round pick if we offered him arbitration and he refused. So, I guess it depends on the prospects we would have to give up and the value of the gap round pick. All of this states the obvious. I would not give up much for a player who will only be here for one year, a year in which we will finish last or next to last in our division.

by BaltoBen on Nov 16, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

what's wrong with moving him to 3rd?

It is an easier. I’m not saying he’ll be great there (frankly, I don’t know), but I don’t know why you would automatically conclude he would suck at 3B because he was terrible at 2B (and then also conclude he would be fine at 1B).

And to answer your question, no we don’t need a one year rental and give up even B prospects.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 16, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I think much of his problem with second is his arm

which would be magnified by moving him farther away from first base.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

He can't make the throw from 2B?

How hard can that be?

Or is it an accuracy issue?

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Ask Chuck Knoblauch how hard it can be.

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 16, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what she said

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

I just looked at his throwing errors versus his fielding errors. Which is a terrible way of judging things, but its a start.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

UZR, DRS, and FSR all

have him mediocre-to-bad across the board.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3442&position=2B#fieldingadvanced

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 16, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

my point is merely that his arm-based issues will be exacerbated by moving to third

and I think it would be worse than any improvement in his range-based issues. A net loss.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, sure.

I’m just saying, it’s not just his arm that sucks.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 16, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Not this argument again.....

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry, i missed it,

i honestly didn’t know this was discussed here. i asked out of curiosity, not to stir shit up.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 16, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

We've argued this many a time.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, I can run it down

but I’ll use Victor Martinez as a good example. He’s got a great bat – for a catcher. His bat plays as a catcher. But he’s not a very good defensive catcher, so you might want to move him to his other position: first base. But his bat isn’t nearly as good compared to other first basemen. He goes from being Joe Mauer to being Daric Barton.

And the point is: why pay 4-60 or whatever, when you can just pay 1-7 for the same production?

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

yes... i completely agree and understand that

but uggla’s bat will play at 3B which is the point that brought up this discussion in the first place. ugga’s wOBA was .381 last year, which would have been 4th best in the MLs in 2010 among 3Bs were 400 PAs.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 16, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Well that's part of it.

And may be useful when talking about whether to sign a guy or not, but lots of people also use it to assess prospects or whether we should keep certain guys because their “bat doesn’t play in LF” or something. The argument against that thinking is that whether a bat plays at a given position is totally dependent on the production each team is getting from their other positions. If Matt Wieters turns into a stud hitter like everybody was expecting him to be before this year, then it greatly decreases out need for production at other positions.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 16, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Although it'd be nice to have league best production at every position :-)

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

its all about how easily it is to get that production otherwise

regardless of what matt wieters does, I still don’t want to put Victor Martinez at first for 15 million dollars when I could get someone just as good for half that.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Who is just as good and will cost us half that?

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just using hypotheticals

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

V-Mart will be lucky to get more than 2/$20M this off season.

With Dunn, Konerko, and Huff all on the market.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 16, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

I think he’ll get a 4 year deal. There’s enough demand for him.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

i bet you a coke VMart gets more than 2/20

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Whatever became of JamesF's dollar?

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 16, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

oh I still have it

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

nah, let's just do the typical signature bet

I win, I get to change your sig for a week. You win, likewise.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 16, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

why?

I think a lot of his perceived value is in his versatility. Take that away and yeah, he’s not worth a longer deal.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

well, that's what i was basing my 2/$20M figure on

I was looking at the market for 1B, looking at past deals, and came up with a figure.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 16, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

of course, he also has name value

so he could still get a 3 year deal as a primary first baseman…but I wouldn’t be willing to bet on it.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder how teams will view him positionally

It’s possible that a team will sign him as a full-time catcher despite his declining defense. He’s probably best suited for 80 to 100 games at catcher, then 1B/DH work, but that requires a decent 2nd catcher.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 16, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

well, the Yankees got away with some awful catcher defense

for a long while, and it didn’t seem to really hurt them overall that much.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

that's true

but most teams don’t have the fire power of the Yankees. They typically one of the leaders in runs scored year in and year out.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 16, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

if he signs as

half catcher, half 1B, his value is obviously higher. Not sure what I think he’ll get in that case. Something higher than 2/$20M though.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 16, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't know that

He ain’t worth it. I’m gonna go ahead and blame Ryan Howard for jacking up 1B salaries everywhere.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

im not saying he is

just a theoretical.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Right - I wasn't talking about signing free agents.

I was more talking about assessing needs and prospects and current players.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 16, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

then let me put it this way

Regardless of how Matt Wieters is performing, I still don’t want to stick with an underperforming Felix Pie in left when I can find someone who is better than him relatively easily. But it’s a lot harder to find good center fielders than good left fielders, and therefore the offensive bar is a lot lower, so I could live (theoretically) with Pie in center, because it’d be harder to find a good center fielder than a good left fielder.

That’s the idea.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I get the idea.

I just don’t think it’s an absolute and I think a lot of people misuse it.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 16, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Hiroki Kuroda signed a one year, $12M with the Dodgers

So he’s off the market. Bring on Pavano!

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 16, 2010 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

Beatles being offered on iTunes

nice, but i’m not sure today’s “a day I’ll never forget,” Apple.

by kba26 on Nov 16, 2010 9:53 AM EST reply actions  

I hear dit was paid streaming service

To which I also responded, “That’s not a day I’ll never forget.”

And who, exactly, among Beatles fans doesn’t already have the Beatles catalogue in their iTunes, if nothing else from ruipping their own, legally-owned CDs?

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 16, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, exactly

oh, wow! you’re introducing a band that is the most popular thing ever that everybody already knows the complete discography of! Wowzers!

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Fuckers. I was hoping for Cloud-based music.

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 16, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

No way it was ever going to be cloud storage or a streaming service.

Either would absolutely warrant its own live event, not just a online announcement. Also, there’s been almost no chatter about revised label agreements, which would be required for both.

by kba26 on Nov 16, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

what is cloud storage?

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 16, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Short answer,

all your songs would be stored on an online server instead of (or in addition to) your local computer

by kba26 on Nov 16, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Which even further subjects...

them to DRM and takes them out of your total control.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 16, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Well I suppose my faith in anything tied to the music industry...

relating to DRM is not very high.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 16, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

What is DRM?

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 16, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Digital Rights Management

the pain in the ass stuff that makes it hard to play your music on different devices but does nothing to actually stop piracy because anyone who really wants to can crack it easily.

by kba26 on Nov 16, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Digital Rights Management

Under the older versions of iTunes, you couldn’t play their stuff on any computer that wasn’t authorized for your account, you couldn’t rip songs to mp3 to play on non-iPod players, and you couldn’t do anything with the files, like make your own ringtones, etc.

When I buy a mp3 for 99 cents on Amazon, I can just put the file on any USB stick and play it where I want. With DRM, you can’t do that. iTunes has loosened its DRM policies, and its iTunes tracks now aren’t protected, but the file format they use makes it less necessary, because you still have to have iTunes or an iPod to play their stuff.

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 16, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

ah, ok

I’ve been buying mp3s on Amazon forever also because of that, I just didn’t know what it is.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 16, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

That's what it is

And that’s why Amazon got any traction in the mp3 business.

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 16, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Though they...

are still pretty much an also-ran since Apple has control on the player-side of the industry.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 16, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Blair Witch Project

interesting choice…

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Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

No, it's not

Try again, kid.

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 16, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Or you could just CLICK ON THE LINK on the words "Open Thread"

Your choice.

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 16, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

no

this is a guessing game, I’m doing this right. I doubt I’ll get it it looks pretty obscure…gotta be something with zombies…House of the Dead?

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope

It’s related to one I posted within the past week.

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 16, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

well let's think

Sunday was Evil Dead, i got the kanadarian demon thing. that had dead things. if it’s related to that then it’s probably a sequel but I’ve never seen one so I can’t be too sure…

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I haven't repeated movies yet...

Which means I’m fresh out of source material.

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 16, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

"Army of Darkness" was Evil Dead III

The studio wouldn’t let the director call it that, though.

So, if I’ve done Evil Dead and Army of Darkness, and it’s a trilogy, that means today’s quote is from….

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 16, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Fix that post haste.

Evil Dead II is one of the greatest horror movies ever.

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 16, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

well I saw the first

but I never knew it went beyond that

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

yes, yes it was

everytime bruce campbell says the lines in the open thread quote, though, I keep thinking of Sam Raimi on one of the commentary tracks saying he had to whisper Bruce’s lines to him, and that’s why there are so many strange pauses in the take.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Good grief

We’re gonna be here all week.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Kids - whaddya gonna do?

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 16, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

ban them?

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 16, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Your call

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 16, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah, I'd feel bad

Plus I like DCO’sFan

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 16, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

i feel the love

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Impress us or leave the casino

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

and snot

don’t forget the snot

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 16, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course there was dialogue!

Err…lots of fuckwords.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I "liked" MVP Entertainment on Facebook

which is Ray Lewis’s next business venture – an upscale club/restaurant/lounge/bowling alley that is being built at Hunt Valley Town Center where Wal-Mart used to be.

Anyway, apparently they put up pictures from some Autism Event at Legg Mason, and look who was there:

BRob and… some dude who looks like he could be BRob’s boyfriend, except, you know, BRob is married to a hot female FHM model.

by PhilR8 on Nov 16, 2010 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

nice SCARF, B-Rob's wanna-be boyfriend.....

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 16, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

BRob looks a little bit non-sober...

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 16, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

hahahaha

I thought the same thing myself.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Wish I could see FB photos at work...

I’ve got a big ol’ blank space where y’all are seeing that photo.

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 16, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow

Smacking yourself with the bat really fucks up your hair, doesn’t it?

by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 16, 2010 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

So The Sun (Tribune Company)...

…is too cheap to pony up for The Mobbies? That is just plain old weak.

by Jonny Pops on Nov 16, 2010 10:46 AM EST reply actions  

Stacey et al.

Congratulations on winning the Mobbies. Well deserved.

by BaltoBen on Nov 16, 2010 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

Funny that Palmer is among
the highly temperamental Hall of Famers, those who were known for being jerks on the field but who aren’t looked at as bad guys today.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 16, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Was George Brett that temperamental?

Other than the pine tar deal (and maybe the hemoroid thing) I don’t remember him going off that much. Maybe I missed something. After all, it was the ’80s.

by DJAY on Nov 16, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Dan Uggla

Not really interested in trading pieces for other pieces, especially guys who are going to be free agents in 12 months and have major question marks (defense). I’d much rather sign Derrek Lee and Ty Wigginton (to one year deals).

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Nov 16, 2010 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

press release i just got
FYI, the 1971 Baltimore Orioles rotation will be featured in a new episode of MLB Network’s Prime 9: Rotations tonight at 8:30 p.m. ET.

The ’71 Orioles will be ranked alongside other rotations, including the ’06 Cubs,’27 Yankees, ’97 Braves, and ’86 Mets. New episodes of Prime 9 will air every Tuesday in November beginning at 8:00 p.m. ET.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 16, 2010 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

[insert obligatory "lying in the weeds" reference here]

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 16, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

crouching tiger

hidden Angelos.

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

and it comes from the exact same source

that gave us the “lying the weeds” bit last year. Disregard.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Matt Holliday, apparently

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

So if we aren't "lying in the weeds," does that mean we have a good chance?

Are we lying in the weeds on Cliff Lee?

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

like holliday

if he price drops, we’ll be lying the weeds along with every rest of the mid-market teams. unlike holliday, lee’s price won’t drop.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 16, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

that's laughable.

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

hmmm

he is going to want at least 3 years. does that mean they would give up on Bell? I would rather see the overpaid multi-year go to a 1B.

by Philly O's on Nov 16, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

you could move Bell to first

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Once he learns how to hit.

He should develop the power to play first, so that would be ok with me.

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 16, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you.

For Beltre, you give up a 2nd round pick and a ton of cash for a guy who hates Baltimore and then camp Josh on the bench or in Norfolk? Pass. Spend the $ and pick at first on V-Mart.

by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 16, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

why are you assuming Beltre hates Baltimore?

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Beltre is more of a lobster roll guy instead of a crab cake p'oh boy guy

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know what that means

and nobody prefers lobster rolls to crab cake sandwiches. Nobody.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I was just making a joke.

You know…humor?

 “Beltre is more of a lobster roll guy instead of a crab cake p’oh boy guy,” deadpanned twistedlogic.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Although I agree

Crab cake p’oh boy >>>>> Lobster roll

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

which one is humor?

is it the one where I get angry? Or the one where I cry?

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Ugh...you're giving me a headache.

Is it time to go home yet?

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah! that's what humor does to me!

It’s a Bingo!

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a pretty big fan of lobster rolls.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 16, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah man

Next to a good crabcake sandwich, you gotta go crabcake over lobstah roll.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought he was more of a fish taco guy

in a totally not what you were thinking kind of way but the west coast way

by Philly O's on Nov 16, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

This guy again?

Seriously, why doesn’t Jon Heyman just get put on Scott Boras’ payroll at this point?

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 16, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

...and just some further reminders

Heyman “Breaks” Another Story

Varitek. Teixeira. Manny. A-Rod 2×. Bonds, vintage 1992. Do you notice anything in common? Yes, all of these players are or were represented by Boras at the time of their signings. It is plainly obvious that Heyman, known among fellow writers as scottboras.com, is getting fed such stories by Scott himself, which is fine and dandy except there is more going on here than meets the eye.

Orioles Pursuing Manny (2008), which prompted this exchange at CC:

Don’t believe it
Heyman has been the only one flogging this Manny-to-the-O’s rumor for weeks, and no one else has picked it up. I’m inclined to believe that he’s an idiot.
by Brotz13 on Nov 11, 2008 6:41 AM PST

+933
by Scott Christ on Nov 11, 2008 10:48 AM PST

Orioles “laying in the weeds” on Matt Holliday

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 16, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

On Holliday

Heyman wasn’t the only person reporting the O’s interest. Overall, I thought the rumors were legit. If I remember correctly, there weren’t many serious suitors for Holliday because was asking for so much money. I do think Andy would have liked to picked up Holliday if his price dropped but it didn’t because Cardinal, inexplicably, overpaid for Holliday w/o any serious competition.

But yeah, Heyman sucks in general.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 16, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

who else reported O's interest on Holliday?

I mean, apart from Peter Schmuck, who doesn’t really count. If you look back, all reports of the Orioles bidding on Holliday are based on one FOX story (written by Rosenthal, the other boy wonder, of course), which cites one “unnamed source.” Everything else tracks back to that story. Andy MacPhail, meanwhile, denied the entire thing adamantly. And a few days later, the Cards upped their offer.

Gee, I wonder who the source was?

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 16, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Robothal as a rumor source, but I know a lot people dislike him

And I’m sure Andy’s denial is legit. I’m sure he never made a formal offer and I don’t think his interest was legit until Holliday’s price dropped. His price never did drop but it looked like it might drop because they weren’t many suitors and negotiations with the Cardinals were taking forever. So I wouldn’t be surprised if Andy checked in with Boras to see if Holliday’s price had dropped. It didn’t and that was the end of the story.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 16, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

"more than meets the eye"

WTF is being implied here? Is Heyman being paid by Boras or something?

Heyman is a tool, no doubt, but a lot of these guys are.

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Nov 16, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

paid? no.

What is being implied is that Boras gives Heyman exclusive scoops in exchange for beneficial coverage.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 16, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Matt Stover to replace him?

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 16, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

nah

Suisham

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Shoulda gone with Stover

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 16, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't realize you were being serious!

WTF? Have they ever watched him kick before? They’re complaining about Jeff Reed now. Wait till Suisham suits up.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

that's what I said...

how can a man who single-handedly loses the Saints game last year be called upon by a team in contention? or any team at all for that matter? is it that hard to find a league-average kicker?

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I know Reed hasn't been good this year, but I think its just a response to the loss this week

They’ll realize Suisham can’t kick by Sunday as Jeff Reed suits up for Cincy.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Suisham, as far as i know, has never had such a douchey haircut

or gotten into a fight with a Sheetz Bathroom.

Point Suisham.

by kba26 on Nov 16, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Jeff Reed

has never single handedly lost a game to the NFC front runners by shanking about 9 field goals, then been cut by Dallas, Cleveland, and St. Louis in the same season
Point Reed.

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Kickers are a dime a dozen

Hell, NE just signed Shayne Graham.

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 16, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Shayne Graham wasn't awful though.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

He was in that Wild Card game last year.

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 16, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

True, but overall, he wasn't so bad.

Nowhere near Suisham bad. Pretty good pickup for NE, IMO. I’d take Gostkowski any day, but Graham isn’t horrible.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Shayne Graham IS awful

I had to watch him play all of one game as a Giant this year, and that was one game too many. That guy is no longer any good, especially on kickoffs. Yuck.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Nov 16, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh give the guy a break...

…Sheetz bathrooms are hard places not to get in fights in sometimes. I’ve gotten into a drunken scrap in one on a very, very wild night.

by Jonny Pops on Nov 16, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe over beers sometime.

It was a night in college that was so off the wall that I really don’t want it appearing in print anywhere. Sheetz, fighting, drunk and disorderly, one seriously annoyed police officer and an enormous bathroom line were all involved. Almost miraculously, no charges were filed…against me at least.

by Jonny Pops on Nov 17, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

He didn't get into a fight IN a sheetz bathroom. He got into a fight WITH a sheetz bathroom

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09046/949348-66.stm

State police said Mr. Reed, 29, was in the restroom of the convenience store on Route 22 in New Alexandria at 2:50 a.m. when he began “banging on something” and making loud noises.

He then “used profane language towards a Sheetz employee stating that there were no towels in the restroom,” police said.

“Reed continued using profane language in a loud manner outside the store. Reed caused damage to a towel dispenser as he was infuriated at the fact that there were no towels in it,” according to police.

by kba26 on Nov 16, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

Can you blame him?? It’s incredibly frustrating when there’s no god damn paper towels!

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 16, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm telling you...

…there’s something about Sheetz. Maybe it’s all that red that turns drunks into Superfuzz/The Incredible Hulk during late night binges. Maybe it’s just the fact they’re open 24/7, have bathrooms, and sell things drunks covet the way Golem covets his “precious”.

by Jonny Pops on Nov 17, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Eh....whatevsss

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Orioles Insider

This source says that we are shedding more scouts. This troubles me since the Os are thin on scouting in comparison to other teams. Is this a sign that the Orioles intend to spend on the visible components of the team while letting the foundation rot.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/

by BaltoBen on Nov 16, 2010 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

Could be a matter of....

scouts and being fired, and different scouts will be hired

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by duck on Nov 16, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope so

The modus operandi of the Os during the El Syd era and beyond was to spend money on cosmetics while ignoring the termites in the framing.

by BaltoBen on Nov 16, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Could be that these guys are the termites in the foundation...

and it’s 3 scouts that they’ve lost, and a bunch of others have been moved around, or got jobs with other orgs.

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by getxstoked on Nov 16, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Halladay unanimous CY

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by O'sFan21 on Nov 16, 2010 2:21 PM EST reply actions  

Darn right.

Probably the only pre-season prediction I made that held up (though I don’t think I said it’d be unanimous).

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by Vuff on Nov 16, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

And the O's still aren't listed as contenders for Cliff Lee

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by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

John Buck is getting more than 3/15

So…yeah, birdman, I think VMart can get more than 2/20

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 16, 2010 3:40 PM EST reply actions  

buckster is two years younger and getting $5M per year.

$10M per year, one year shorter doesn’t seem far fetched since V. Mart is better but older.

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by birdman on Nov 16, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

and the marlins...

gotta make uncle bud think they’re spending their revenue sharing money!

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by birdman on Nov 16, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Uggla to the Braves

for utility-man Omar Infante and lefty reliever Mike Dunn.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/11/braves-to-acquire-dan-uggla.html

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by Vuff on Nov 16, 2010 5:45 PM EST reply actions  

well

looks like we don’t need to worry about moving him to first.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Uggla makes sense for the Braves

now I wonder if they’ll give him a ridiculous extension. I think Wren will be smart enough to resist.

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by birdman on Nov 16, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems like the Marlins are trying to mimic the Padres

Minimal offense built around 1 stud, complemented with strong starting pitching and a dominant bullpen. That’s 4 relievers they have picked up in the Miller, Maybin, and Uggla trades now.

It almost worked in the NL West for the Pads, but I don’t think it’ll work in the NL East.

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by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 16, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Uggla is hardly the stud that Gonzalez is

he’ll soon be on the wrong end of 30 as well.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Stanton

Maybe he’s referring to Mike Stanton?

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by dfa on Nov 16, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I just made the mistake

of thinking he meant the Braves…I really read that wrong. anyway, is Stanton all that he’s cracked up to be? sure he’s a nice prospect but is he the type of stud you can build your team around?
or maybe he means HanRam? that would make a bit more sense, but still Ramirez just hasn’t shown me that much to indicate that he’s that much better than everyone else like he’s supposed to be.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Hanley was who I was referring to. Stanton will be a helluva masher though.

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by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 16, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

and El Nino had 3 seasons of 140's OPS+ prior to this past season, when he regressed to 126.

Gonzo has gone 139, 162, 152 the past 3 seasons. El Nino compares quite well. I think he definitely qualifies as a ‘stud’ hitter.

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by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 16, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

oh no he's a great player

but he’s supposed to be The Chosen One and drop 30/30 seasons year in and year out. I’m always hearing that “yes, this is definitely the year he does it. 30/30 for sure this time” only to see him underachieve in one of those categories. that being said, he’s always solid in just about everything; would I build a franchise around him? probably, not my first choice, but probably. has he disappointed me in recent years? yes. no doubt. I always thought he would be the next great one though. so far he’s been the next one “on the cusp of greatness” that has a lot more room to improve.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Ramirez

Given positional difference, Hanley > Adrian. Stanton and Ramirez are going to be a wrecking crew. But I prolly can’t name another hitter on the Marlins. I think they had that go who won ROY last year and some stud 1B prospect. And um….Jeff Conine?

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by dfa on Nov 16, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh or Hanley Ramirez??

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by O'sFan21 on Nov 16, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

like I said

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by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

woops

thought you were replying to me…

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by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, that was my error

After 2008, i no longer acknowledge the position of SS.

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by dfa on Nov 16, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

For what we would have had to give up

I really wouldn’t care what position he played. We could have had Dan Uggla for Robert Andino and Mitch Atkins.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

it's only because there won't be room for him once we pick up Beltre

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by zknower on Nov 16, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I know

exaggerating some, but the Braves really didn’t give up much.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 16, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

this

is exactly what I was talking about when I said that The Walking Dead was too extreme for TV.
WARNING: DON’T CLICK THE LINK UNLESS YOU’VE READ THE BOOKS AND KNOW THE STORY ALREADY, SPOILERS ABOUND!!!!!!

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by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 8:25 PM EST reply actions  

Man..

I purposely kept myself from rereading everything recently so that I would be surprised by things I forgot, but that stuff just reinforces how amazing and unique these books are. I hope everything makes it to TV (as disturbing as alot of that stuff truly is). I have my doubts, and that really makes me sad, but I don’t even think HBO would have the balls to pull some of that stuff off.

Again, if you like the show, READ THE BOOKS. Truly truly amazing work.

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by daveh873 on Nov 16, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

They are on the X-mas wish list.

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by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 16, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I do NOT want that scene with the Governor

I might actually puke on the screen if it’s shown.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

They wouldnt show that on screen

either of the big 2 governor scenes. But they could allude to what is about to happen. They could show them preparing for it and then you could hear it happening, but it wont be show. The series is so awesome because of the boundaries it pushes though, and they need to keep that going in the tv show.

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by daveh873 on Nov 16, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

not the part where…yeah…but maybe some of the other stuff. there’s a few of them, I mean the one with his daughter. I have a feeling they might do that…

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by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

AHHHH I want to read this so bad.

I don’t want to spoil anything. I’m terrible with spoilers. I. Can’t. Not. Look.

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by Knubles and Bits on Nov 16, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

It WILL spoil alot

I mean, you will be introduced to charecters and then find out about their huge plot twists before even getting to know who they are. It will ruin alot of the show and/or the books if you read it. Just warning you.

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by daveh873 on Nov 16, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

indeed

I think 4 is the biggest plot twist of them all. can’t say I expected that to happen…also, what do you think; Danny Trejo as the Governor?

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by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Could work...

maybe a bit old (and possibly expensive), but I could see it.

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by daveh873 on Nov 16, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

man he'd be perfect for it

it’s actually the first thing I thought when I first saw him in the book and he almost always plays an antagonist in anything he’s ever been in…

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by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

oh

odds that Merle (the guy on the roof) becomes the governor? I just feel like it’s totally gonna happen.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Ugh

I hope not.

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by daveh873 on Nov 17, 2010 6:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, and...

4 could ruin the whole series for some people. 5 could ruin a charecter that’s one of my favorites from the series, and 15 could ruin this very season right off the bat. Definitely should be avoided by all costs.

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by daveh873 on Nov 16, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

I really wish they’d do 4 though. it seems like the rest of the story can’t progress if it doesn’t happen. 15 is gonna have to happen eventually, probably some other fashion though. 5 was totally unnecessary, that ruined almost the whole series for me.

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by danielreese05 on Nov 16, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea....BDs are late today

Completely unacceptable.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 17, 2010 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Seriously.

The first hour of work goes so much more slowly when there are no Bird Droppings waiting for me…

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by Vuff on Nov 17, 2010 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Can't do 'em every day, sorry.

So you’re stuck with Stacey’s vampirish nocturnal schedule.

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 17, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry!

I had stuff to do. Like lay in bed.

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by Stacey on Nov 17, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I know

I was hoping to read about how we signed Cliff Lee last night

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by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 17, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Not my day

I’d have had them up by 7. Just sayin’.

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 17, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Duck for full-time BDer!!!

Promotion time. It’ll be DOUBLE your current salary.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 17, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

"Twice nothing is still nothing."

 - Cyrano Jones, “The Trouble With Tribbles”

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 17, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Um, no.

I begged Stacey to take a few days each week. I’m thankful she is.

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 17, 2010 9:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

that's good

took a field trip over there a few weeks ago (art school is awesome). They’re clearly operating on a shoestring budget but the folks were really friendly and all. brought us out some animals to draw. Most of the animals had been mistreated by former owners and it was kinda sad to see. Glad they got ’em back.

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by Steve. on Nov 17, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

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