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Wednesday Bird Droppings

Sorry! I totally forgot that today was my day. 

Question of the Day: The GMs are meeting in Disney World this week (which gives me unrealistically delightful images of Scott Boras and Andy MacPhail in my favorite attraction, the Haunted Mansion, discussing Adrian Beltre), and one of the actual things being discussed in a very serious way is an expansion of the playoffs. Are you for or against such an adjustment? -Andrew

PressBox: Five O's Deserve Untouchable Tag
Pete Kerzel identifies Matt Wieters, Brian Matusz, Adam Jones, Nick Markakis, and Brian Roberts as "untouchable" for trade this off-season. Brian Roberts? Really? 

PressBox: Players See Bright Trip Ahead With Showalter Behind Wheel
"He walked through the door on Aug. 3 and the record is what the record is," said Andy MacPhail during the Orioles' final homestand in early October. "Like anything in baseball, there's more than one reason for that. But he certainly was the event that sort of sparked the change. I don't think there's any denying that." -zk 

School of Roch: Showalter's chances in Manager of Year voting
Slim to none, basically.

Orioles Insider: Moore signs minor league deal with Cubs
Farewell Scott Moore!

School of Roch: Sarfate headed to Japan?
He's talking to the Hiroshima Toyo Carp. 

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'Bout time!

So now both guys that we traded Steve Trachsel for are gone (in two separate trades, mind you)

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 17, 2010 9:15 AM EST reply actions  

Rocky Cherry will live on forever in my heart

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I HATED the Haunted Mansion as a kid

When i was little i ran out before we got on the actual ride, the room with the moving ceiling freaked me out. It was like 10 years before i went back and would actually agree to go on.

by kba26 on Nov 17, 2010 9:28 AM EST reply actions  

this is a big part of what makes that ride the greatest amusement park ride ever devised by man or beast

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Hell no I don't want to see the playoffs expanded.

The less of Buck and McCarver I have to be subjected to the better.

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 17, 2010 9:34 AM EST reply actions  

Really?

I think it would be great if they played until christmas.

What up?

by snakethejake on Nov 17, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Give me instant replay FIRST,

then we can talk about more playoffs.

by ojdidit on Nov 17, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

QOTD

From the link:

and that by increasing the number of teams eligible for the postseason party, you increase the chances that a bad team will get hot for a couple of weeks and more or less make a mockery of the regular season.

Ok, so I’ll need to go back and look at this again, but is he really suggesting that the Red Sox or Padres are “bad teams” that “got hot for a couple of weeks”? In 2009 it would have been the Rangers and the Cubs. It isn’t like the Pirates are going to sneak through in some backdoor kind of way (like is possible in MiLB, with the whole 1st/2nd half thing).

I understand that many writers are very, very happy that only four teams make the playoffs in either league – be it because of bias towards the standard powers in the NE, the fact that they too hate all things new like Murray Chass, or whatever. Some would probably hate/d the Wild Card and wish we’d go back to two super divisions per league where “the regular season means something”.

If they make it more than a single-elimination, I’m in. Also, please make it so that there aren’t large chasms between games/series. No days off between games before the WS (or at all), two to three days max between the other series. One extra team isn’t going to kill the game.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 17, 2010 9:38 AM EST reply actions  

I think what they mean is...

an average team gets hot and suddenly they’re in as the 2nd wild card. That would kind of annoy me – but then again I loved the two divisions…

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Nov 17, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Sure...

except:

1) Who cares when they win? If the Orioles were a middling team (as opposed to an awful one) during the first half of 2010 and then get hot in Aug-Oct and sneak in, they still won the games, right? It isn’t like the NFL/NCAA where teams either play cupcakes early to boost their records or run up against teams who’ve locked in a birth and rest their starters. It’s not a case of small sample size, everyone plays 162.

2) Looking only at the AL – the team that would have taken the fifth spot wouldn’t have been some awful team, most of the time they finished with 85+ wins (2006-present). Additionally, during that time, the team that took the fifth spot would have only won it by one game (or tied, like in 2007). So even the sixth and sometimes seventh team would also be around the 83/84 win mark. Nothing to sneeze at over a full 162.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 17, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I think what they mean is

That a team with a fairly poor record gets into the playoff, gets hot, and then wins the World Series. I personally like the exclusiveness in MLB. You never see a bad playoff team. Unlike the NFL, where atrocious teams make it in on a yearly basis.

Keep in mind that the only motivation the league has for ever extending the season (doing anything?) is to make more money.

by Pack Man on Nov 18, 2010 3:49 AM EST up reply actions  

To expand the playoffs, you'd have to double them

Unless you do some sort of bye system, which would be horrible.

Just expand the first round to best of 7. And while you’re at it, reduce the number of off days.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 17, 2010 9:38 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

whats on the table

and likely to be implemented is adding a second wild card, making the two wild card teams play each other in a best of three series, and then using the winner of that series in the same way we use the wild card currently.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Great

let’s make it even more of a crap shoot with some best of 3 series. lol

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 17, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

The link...

suggested that MLB was looking at adding a second wild card team, having those two teams play (in either a one or three game set) eachother for the right to play in the ALDS.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 17, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

A one game set is pointless

And a 3 game set would mean that the division winners don’t play for at least 6 days after the season the ends. Bad ideas in my opinion.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 17, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

If you trade Roberts now

You’re selling low, that’s probably the only reason he’s untouchable.

What up?

by snakethejake on Nov 17, 2010 9:39 AM EST reply actions  

Dear PHN

stop bitching that you cannot beat the yankees and rays. Worst. Idea. Ever.

by Philly O's on Nov 17, 2010 9:45 AM EST reply actions  

Winner goes straight to the world series.

Ratings, ya know?

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 17, 2010 9:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah

And then play again in the WS. It’s what the people want.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 17, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I like this train of thought

and I’ll tell you why.

Take it out to its logical conclusion, and you have the Yankees and Red Sox break off from MLB and start their own league where they play each other 170 times every year and then declare one of them the winner. Meanwhile the rest of us can play some significantly less obnoxiously-slow baseball.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed, although it would be the other 28 teams breaking off from MLB. The Yank Sox are MLB.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 17, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I think I could live with that

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh oh

and we can give them their own TV network that only covers them and features stories on them and braodcast all…of…their…

hey!….ESPN, you stole my idea!

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Nov 17, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

and berman can call all of the games

gound ball. back back back back back. jeter bobbles. runner is in time. infield hit.

by Philly O's on Nov 17, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Great idea

Imagine how entertaining all his nicknames would be.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 17, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

seriously

between unbalanced schedules and now this they might as well just schedule who is going to be in the playoffs at the start of the season. ugh. this really ticks me off.

by Philly O's on Nov 17, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't be so cynical...

I don’t care for the Yankees or the Red Sox, like, at all. Primarily due to their fan bases, but also because of the way in which it seems their teams go about business.

That said, they win the most games. Almost every year. I can’t hate them because they win, that’s why they play the games. Is it in the best interest of baseball for teams that have a payroll that is 25% of GDP to win so often – probably not. But don’t let the hatred of those two teams blind you to the reality that:

1) Applying the proposal outlined in the link, going back to 2006, the fifth Wild Card would have come from the AL East twice – in 2008 and 2010. In both instances, the fifth team would have been exactly one game ahead of the sixth place team.

2) While true that the Yankees would have made the playoffs each year under these rules, the Angels and Twins would have gone three times apiece as well. Both teams would be one or two wins shy of going all five years during that span.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 17, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

although it came out that way

it is not about the sox and yankees for me. It is more of the fact that how long before we have 4 divisions or the say the top two from each makes the playoffs. teams play 162 games to prove they are the best but one drawn out month of post season baseball will crown some mediocre team that got hot the last month of the season? according to that logic the O’s could have had a chance to win the WS this past season. This just screams the NBA to me.

by Philly O's on Nov 17, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Nah. The

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 17, 2010 11:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Nah. The best team almost always wins

In the NBA. The NHL on the other hand can be like that. Last year a team that squeaked into the playoffs got hot and beat the two best teams in the east and then cooled off and lost to another mediocre team that got hot. Hockey is my favorite sports but the regular season is pretty meaningless.

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 17, 2010 11:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

fixed

This just screams the NHL to me.

by Philly O's on Nov 17, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

lol.

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 17, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I've thought about what the perfect playoff scenario is many times, and I have an answer

The purest system is one in which after a balanced season, the two best teams from each league go straight to the World Series. I wouldn’t really mind that. But there is no way that baseball will ever go back to that anytime soon. So he is a compromise:

1. Eliminate divisions, balance the schedule

2. Best team in each league = automatic berth in championship series

3. The 2nd and 3rd best teams have to slug it out, best out of five. All games happen at the #2 team’s ballpark, and games 2 and 3 will be a scheduled doubleheader. They have to get the 5 games in 4 days.

I think this proposal is the best of all. It eliminates two playoff teams, making the regular season matter more. It gives a decided advantage to the #1 teams. Also, the fast-paced five game series is more likely to produce a team that “deserves” an opportunity to eliminate, you know, the team that actually won the most games out of 162. It does this without truly eliminating the wild card round, in fact, the wild card round would be much more exciting.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Nov 17, 2010 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

Don't like it

Teams shouldn’t be sitting around for a week to play a series.

1. Change the LDS to best of 7
2. Eliminate mid-series off days (or have just 1)
3. Start the next round when both teams are set (which you would need if #2 was done to handle rainouts)

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 17, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

My system takes one week and turns it into 4-5 days

Not perfect, but I could see it as an advantage. In the final two weeks of the season, the number 1 and 2 teams would be playing for those days off. It’s a chance to set up the rotation how they want it, they can relax and chill out for a little bit.

I think that the 2-3 teams playing a series really fast would be great. No travel days, so that the number 2 team has home field advantage (something else worth playing for in the regular season). It would make for exciting baseball. Plus, did you read about my scheduled playoff doubleheader? What would be more awesome than that?

I mean five days off is the worst part of my idea, but that happens now. At least the team with the guarunteed off-days is the team that deserves it the most. Plus, I feel that getting 5 days off in between the regular season and the championship series is different than 5-8 days off in between the LDS and the LCS.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Nov 17, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, I can't believe I haven't mentioned a strong selling point:

This would end the World Series pretty quick: 4 days of LDS, 7 days of LCS and 7 of the World Series. Even with off-days in the LCS and WS, this plan would have a hard time ending past the 24th if the playoffs start on the 1st of the month.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Nov 17, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

It would have to be 6 or 7 days

You need to account for ties at the end of the season.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 17, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Pardon, but I don't see how a 1-game playoff that occurs every other year

Would turn it into 7 days off, every year.
1 day off: one game playoff
2 days off: day one of LDS
third day off: “amazing day of baseball” doubleheader in LDS
fourth day off game 4 of LDS
fifth day off: game five of LDS
sixth day off: an unnecessary off day in between series

Either way, I still like it. Getting a break from the regular season for finishing with a better record seems a lot better than getting 8 days off just because you happened to sweep somebody in the LDS.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Nov 17, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

What if 3 teams tie for the last playoff spot?

It wouldn’t happen all the time, but you would have to account for it.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 17, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

If you really want small-market fans to feel like they have a chance...

fix the whole system, don’t just tinker with the playoffs and reward mediocrity.

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Nov 17, 2010 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

On SB Nation's Bleeding Green Nation (Philly Eagles) blog

there was a great tirade by Chad Dukes yesterday about the Washington Redskins game against the Eagles on MNF. I’ve been trying for the last 20 minutes to put the link in here but I just can’t make it work. If you have 12 minutes and can find it, it’s great listening. Feel free to substitute any other team’s name for the Redskins.

by DJAY on Nov 17, 2010 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

great stuff

i listened to it last night. I thought he was going to punch the guy that kept saying “get ’em” every 5 seconds.

by Philly O's on Nov 17, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I thought so, too

And since it was on an Eagles blog, all of the Eagles fans who listened to it must have been laughing their asses off.

by DJAY on Nov 17, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

as an eagles fan

and an O’s fan, I didn’t really lmao as much as – this dude has a point. Altough at the same time, this is just entertainment. If this is going to give you a heart attack, don’t watch. It is not worth it. invest your time in pottery. it is less stressful.

by Philly O's on Nov 17, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

You mean...

LaVar Arrington?

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 17, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Holy. Shit.

That was a rant of (dare I say) epic proportions. I am proud of Chad for not dropping the million f-bombs I would have.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 17, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of the Redskins....

…McNabb’s contract only guarantees him $3.5M, not the $40M that was widely reported. Basically, the ‘Skins can cut their losses if he doesn’t improve later this season.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 17, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

but the problem with cutting him is then what? Draft a QB a hope he is ready to start right away? Trade more picks for a starter? It’s not a pretty picture. Almost regardless they are going to have to use picks to address the QB position instead of all their other gaping holes (o-line, o-line, o-line, receivers, o-line, running back, o-line, etc).

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 17, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

oh, they definitely have problems to fix,

…. and i am no fan of mcnabb. but a lot of people thought they were locked into him.

yeah, they need to draft a QB. it’ll take more than a year to turn this mess around.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 17, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t get why anybody is surprised that McNabb isn’t so much better than Campbell. Campbell was almost as good as McNabb last year when McNabb was playing for a team with a semblance of a line and some serious offensive weapons and Campbell was playing for the skins. Everybody seems so shocked that a guy 5 years older that was barely better is struggling now under the same circumstances?

It sure would be nice to have those draft picks back and a QB that’s 5 years younger…

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 17, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, i was and still am a Campbell fan.

was really bummed when they traded him away. with any kind of stability and a O-line, he’s going to flourish.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 17, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I was a JC apologist...

And I still am, as much as I love watching a McNabb with time throw a deep ball. This team is broken on the lines and schemed awfully for the Eagles w/Vick.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 17, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

They didn't even look like they had practiced.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 17, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

And if he doesn't flourish

he doesn’t cost us draft picks and tons of money. I mean I don’t think JC was going to lead us to the superbowl, but I don’t think McNabb is either, so I’d rather have the picks and cash. I agree though that if he ever gets in a good situation JC could be pretty good.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 17, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

meh.

i can’t listen to sports talk radio because of guys like this. it makes my ears bleed.

defending lavar arrington, one of the worst practicers in history?
saying the season was on the line?
saying nothing god came out of monday night’s game? the offense put up 28 points, and redskins found another running back.

guy needs to relax before he has an aneurism.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 17, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

*good

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 17, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I was born in Alexandria hospital LeVar. I went to Lake Braddock High School, Orange Hunt Elementary School. I live off of Sydenstricker Road in Springfield… I’m Northern VA, I bleed it.

Awesome stuff. Double awesome because I was born in Alexandria hospital as well and my parents live right by Sydenstricker in Springfield.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 17, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I have a closet full of jerseys. What am I going to do with them? What?!

LOL.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 17, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

QotD

I’m very much against the notion of expanding the playoffs. The regular season means a lot in baseball, and since anything can happen in a short series, the more teams that get into the party, the higher the likelihood that the best team doesn’t always win. Yeah, it’s a fine line, but whatever.

As mentioned above, the first round should be 7 games, and there should be fewer off days. The playoffs should be as similar to the regular season as possible and a 7 game series is better than 5.

The only other change that is compelling to me is to go back to 2 divisions, but 2 playoff teams. This would actually solve a lot of problems, I think.

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Nov 17, 2010 10:49 AM EST reply actions  

*2 playoff teams

I meant 2 wild card teams, so the same # of playoff teams.

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Nov 17, 2010 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

your daily jon heyman orioles tweet

in which jon heymand says he can see the orioles going after Paul Konerko. Sounds like speculation to me. Can anybody give me a reason to not totally hate the idea of Paul Konerko in Bmore?

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

He's not Garrett Atkins?

/reaching, I know.

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 17, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

after the news of the sox offer* to Beltre

no – go, go after him, stop reading CC and sign him.

*mlbtr says sox will offer no more than 4/$52. Good, that takes the O’s out of the running. Now they can go after Konerko.

by Philly O's on Nov 17, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe he's actually hired by the Baltimore Sun

to make O’s fans who comment on their website think Andy’s doing something.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 17, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

a draft pick to start with

and this is a guy who turned the Orioles down when they had the best offer on the table years ago (and more power to him, since the Orioles sure sucked over the span and the White Sox didn’t…as much)…so it’s not going to be a small deal that brings him here.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

probably not

For a number of reasons. He had a fluky 2010. He’s likely to decline very soon and very fast. On a rebuilding team, there’s absolutely no reason to give up a draft pick for a stop gap. And he’ll be expensive. So no thank you.

Unfortunately, I think Andy sees the O’s as fringe contenders in 2011. He’ll want to buy quick upgrades so I could see him doing something stupid.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 17, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

How much say do you think Buck has in regards to player acquisition?

You would have to think it would be fairly considerable. I would imagine Buck would be loathe to get saddled with any dead-weight players.

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 17, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

buck has input

and i’m sure his input carries weight but Andy has final say.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 17, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Why do you think MacPhail sees the O's as fringe contenders?

I haven’t seen anything to either makes me think that he thinks that, or that makes me think that. If you follow me.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

because last off-season he said we're in "phase 2" "defcon 4" or whatever phrased he used

and now we’re a season into phase 2 after Andy has jizzed over Buck’s turnaround. He’s probably looking at Buck’s record and thinking we’re close to a playoff team.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 17, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

that's gross

and doesn’t exactly give me, y’know, anything solid as evidence for Andy treating the 2011 Orioles as fringe contenders. Do you really think ANYBODY sees the Orioles as fringe contenders?

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

well, of course, I can't give you "hard" evidence, you asked for my speculation!

Maybe Andy will give a state of union which he’ll address the team’s current defcon status. And no, of course, nobody sees the O’s as fringe contenders except for the people in the warehouse. And I think fringe contenders is a bit too strong even for them. I don’t think the warehouse sees the O’s as a 34-23 club, but I do think the warehouse sees the O’s as having good potential to be over .500 club in 2011.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 17, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just saying

the people in the warehouse aren’t idiots. They aren’t going to see the team in one light when absolutely nobody else anywhere even in Baltimore agrees with them.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

they're not idiots

but that doesn’t mean they don’t do idiotic things or even misperceive the team’s winning potential. I mean I thought it was silly to judge Trembley on W/Ls in 2010 because I thought the team was nowhere near contending. But the warehouse had different ideas.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 17, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I could argue that

it was absolutely the right thing to do, since by that judgment Trembles had to go and now we have Buck Showalter.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate "Trembles"

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 17, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

we all kind of hated him, too, didn't we?

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

i liked dave personally

but horrible tactician. that’s why he needed to go.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 17, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

of course you are right

but anyway, I think you’re missing something the very foundation of your argument. Andy MacPhail said that last year. Then last year happened. Do you think his opinion on things didn’t change at all?

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

of course it changed

If he was concerned about wins and losses last April, wouldn’t that opinion change one year later to be even more concerned about wins and losses given that (A) as GM, it’s his job to show steady improvement, and (B) the club did show tremendous improvement post-Buck.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 17, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

then how do you get from there to "fringe contenders"?

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

over .500 is a fringe contender

and i already backed off that language a bit. close to fringe contenders is probably a better word. my bad on my impreciseness.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 17, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, i didnt see that. sorry

are we close to .500 next year?

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Not without 3/4 of an infield.

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 17, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Closer than last year, I think.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 17, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

this.

i think .500 is very possible for next year.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 17, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

i do SPECULATE that Andy sees the 2011 O's

as having potential to be slightly over .500. I think realistically Andy is shooting for .500. But I do think he sees the O’s having a good chance of being over .500. What I predict for the O’s? Right now, I’m seeing a 78 win team.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 17, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

that seems fair

of course I said that same thing (almost verbatim!) last year, and fool me once…

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

our rotation is not as good as Post-Buck suggests

but I do expect a decent staff. I am expecting some improvements from Wieters, Markakis, and Jones, but we’re going to struggle to score enough runs to cover our pitching.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 17, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

You are forgetting about Riemold returning to put up MVP type numbers

That’s in the movie script isn’t it?

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 17, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

actually

And i’m again, i’m guessing, but I really think Andy thought we would be .500 team last season. He spent a lot of money on useless stop gaps and he expected to judge DT on wins and losses. He (smartly) refused to give a win expectation last offseason, but I’m guessing he expected around 82 wins in 2010. Now with Buck in the fold, I think Andy certainly see .500 as realistic in 2011, but he has some expectation for more like hovering near the WC but not really winning it.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 17, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been thinking about Andy's 2010 winter

and I think it actually looks a lot better than I originally thought it did…but you need to look at it from the right angle, and I’m not sure how to define that angle beyond “at least a little dutch”.

But I do not think it is as obvious as it seems that the warehouse thought last year’s team was a .500 team.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

It was also in Bird Droppings a few days ago

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 17, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

He did.

And Windmill is with the Phils, and Kranitz landed w/ the Brewers.

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 17, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't even realize Kranitz was gone

Who’s gonna be the pitching coach next year?

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by twistedlogic on Nov 17, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Mark Connor

He’s been on all of Buck’s staffs.

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 17, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't hate him

He seemed like a lovely fellow, just a horrible manager.

Here’s a story for you: In 2007, after he was hired, Trembley set up a meeting with Paul Folkemer from OH to get an idea of what he, as someone who watches the Orioles every day, thinks the team needs, and what the fans think as a whole.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 17, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

OMFG

That’s disconcerting.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 17, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

look, paul folkemer is a great writer

but it is beyond me why DT would ask him what the fans think as a whole on what the team needs.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 17, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

yes everyone involved thought it was a little strange

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 17, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

at least I think everyone thought it was strange

I think it’s strange. Paul thought it was strange.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 17, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

and i looked it up

We’re in “phase 2” as of April 2010. I’m not sure what the hell phase 2 means though. It certainly means that the warehouse is now expecting wins even if they refuse to specify a number.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 17, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

He'll be way overpaid in all likelihood

2010 was a pretty big outlier for him if you look at his production is his 30s. His career SLG is 498, and in 2010 it was 584. In 2008, his OPS was almost 200 points lower than it was in 2010. Plus he’s 34. Only one way to go, really.

He would be a huge mistake IMO.

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by dfa on Nov 17, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Mobbies

Since I know you’re all dying to hear about it, here goes. There were five billion people crammed into a little corner of Ra with some food out on a table, then they hastily handed out our certificates, then we went to a Mexican place for food and alcohol and had a grand time hanging out.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 17, 2010 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

Congratulations!

I haven’t been around for a while, but I did vote.

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by killertomato on Nov 17, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

it was a wonderful time

It would not suck to do a get together every so often. But on the weekend, so duck can stick around.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I would be in favor of this

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 17, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Why thank you

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 17, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

My system

combines English Football Leauge system with demolition derby system and it calls for restructuring the whole leauge.

MLB is broken down into four divisions, based on what quartile your payroll falls in. Teams move from division to division from year to year based on their comparative payroll. You play your regular season games against the other teams in your division. Top two teams from each division go to the playoffs where they go into bracket style five game series ending in the World Series, a seven game series.

That way, not every decent player is taking top dollar from the MFY by default, because smaller market teams have a chance to get into the playoffs by virtue of having a smaller payroll.

I’m pretty sure I’m a genius.

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by killertomato on Nov 17, 2010 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

Braves got a steal on Uggla

For that price we should have thought about trading for him. They’ll probably get more return in the comp picks to replace what they traded away.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Nov 17, 2010 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

OPACY '11

Can’t quite visualize what they’re talking about with bistro tables on the club level. Like high-tops or something? How many per section? Considering switching sections, but it’d be nice to see a rendering or something before plunking down for 13 games.

by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 17, 2010 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

I'm sure we'll see some representation soon enough

In my head it’ll look kinda like the tables at Fenway Park in right field.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1434/545529621_dee918a764.jpg?v=0

http://www.vpr.net/uploads/photo_gallery/large/vpr-redsox-5889.jpg

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by Stacey on Nov 17, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

The only adjustment I want to see in the playoffs is a seven game LDS

5 games isn’t enough. However I don’t want the calendar to go any later so either cut out a few games in the regular season or schedule a couple doubleheaders during the year.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 17, 2010 1:20 PM EST reply actions  

well that's not realistic

here’s my angle on this, basically the owners, GMs, and players all have to agree to expanding the playoffs. The owners are never going to say no to something that gets them more money, which more playoffs do unless it means cutting out regular season games or scheduling doubleheaders, which hurt their bank account. The players aren’t going to say no to something that gives them more opportunity to win, and something that increases revenues. And the GMs already have agreed that they want more playoffs. It’s more opportunity for their own success by widening the margin.

Literally the only thing that can stop playoff expansion is a fear of bad weather in April and/or November that would cause a shortened regular season in lieu of expanded playoffs.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't realize I had to be realistic

It’s what I want to see.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 17, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Baseball Prospectus on the O's top prospects:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=12459

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 17, 2010 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

key phrase
It’s bad for all the right reasons as plenty of prospects graduate, but now it’s suddenly among thinnest in game.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

True

but now that we’re not in the midst of that whateveryoucallit that happened under Buck I think back on last year as a whole and how just plain horrible it was. And the fact that the big club isn’t ready and the little clubs aren’t bringing the reinforcements makes me glum.

But, ask me in March how I feel and I’ll be insanely excited.

cxcxcxcxzzzzzzzzz

by Steve. on Nov 17, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

that's true

but tell that to the Rays.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 17, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

kinda close to how I see our system

I’m higher on Schoop and Adams than others. Schoop at #6 is pretty high though. Mahoney at #8 is also too high. Who’s that guy at #20?

I’m curious, which lists does CC prefer? BA, BPro or Sickels? (Or someone else?!?)

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by dfa on Nov 17, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty bleak

Nobody likes Hobgood. Out of shape. Mediocre stuff. He had better turn it around this year.

by BaltoBen on Nov 17, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

he's apparently wised up a bit

he’s spending the entire offseason at fat camp fitness camp.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 17, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

what was his appeal in the first place?

does he have a big time heater or something? as far as I can tell braceface is about as useless as Adam Loewen.

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Pro Football South
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by danielreese05 on Nov 17, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

what was his appeal in the first place?

You ar neither the first, nor the last, person to ask this question.

From Day One, this pick has been a huge “huh?”

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 17, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

He can bring the heat.

Can touch 95-96 and if he learns how to use his frame better he could reach the upper 90s I would think. Decent scouting report on him from back in May. I didn’t read the entire report, but from what I read it seems accurate.
http://orioles-nation.com/2010/05/26/matt-hobgood-scouting-report/

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 17, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

with braces

that pisses me off for some reason. top prospects shouldn’t have goddamn braces.

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 17, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You want him to look like an extra from "Deliverance"?

Nothing wrong with an 18-year-old wanting straight teeth.

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 17, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Especially since he's...

you know, 18.

While a bit (understatement) of a reach, don’t blame the kid for the Orioles draft decisions. Just let him mature and hopefully we’ll see him in a few years.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 18, 2010 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Hobgood was always a first round talent

not a top five talent, but he was still a good arm.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

yup, he should have been a late first round pick.

but still a dumb pick with several better pitchers available.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 17, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I kinda wanna go to fitness camp

I’m in pretty decent shape, but I feel like one of those would be kinda awesome.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 17, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

shit no you don't

our summer workouts for football are just hell. I can imagine that they’re one in the same considering that’s all we work on, conditioning and weight training, and it’s just the worst. it gets you in killer shape though, so there’s always a nice payoff.

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 17, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh dude...I've been thru that stuff before

It was pretty awesome then. Best shape of my life.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 17, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

the results or the process?

I hope you mean the results because the process is just barely worth it.

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 17, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah dude...the process is worth it.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 17, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

in my eyes, it's one of those things you hate

but you wouldn’t trade for anything. builds a lot of brotherhood on the team and, of course, gets you in amazing shape, but man it’s hard work. all summer long too. no vacations, no breaks, it’s crazy.

Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 17, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Planning and doing are two completely different things.

I’m currently on a workout schedule. I’ve done about 5 of the 20-some I had planned on since “starting” it.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 17, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I was doing pretty well over the summer, its just when school started that i slacked off again

with a full month of nothing else to do, i’m gonna be pretty serious about it

by kba26 on Nov 17, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

do you have a a workout partner?

That makes all the difference in the world. I’d have zero motivation if not for that.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 17, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Well its mostly because I've got a 2 hour commute.

I have zero energy when I get home at 8pm anyways.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 17, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah that's hard.

I have to start going back into the office every day in a couple weeks. I’m sure that’s going to put a crimp in my workout routine. It’s shame because I’ve been on an incredible roll ever since my wedding.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 17, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

This...

Compunding the problem of a desk job and a pregnant woman at home that can eat mounds of food and not gain a pound = Ponsonified.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 18, 2010 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Bike to work

I’ve lost 25 pounds since Aug 1.

by PhilR8 on Nov 18, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Um...yea....not doing 80 miles of biking every day.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 18, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

intermodal, silly

How far do you drive to get to the metro?

by PhilR8 on Nov 18, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

20-25 miles.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 19, 2010 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

ah well

p90x is your only option

by PhilR8 on Nov 19, 2010 8:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally off topic

but if there are any Dre fans out there it looks like his album is finally coming out:

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/singles/id.12783

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 17, 2010 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

Only question is...

how much of this album was ghost-written for him?

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 17, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh beats and hooks are his thing

I don’t care who writes the rhymes.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 17, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh it was more of a joke...

Dre was never much of a lyricist, but this one is solid.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 17, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

He has some real solid verses now and then.

But yeah definitely not his strength.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 17, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh man...

if that is a sampling of the things that will be on the final record, it should get interesting.

Good stuff.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 17, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard another song yesterday with Snoop and Akon

Not nearly as good, but not bad at all.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 17, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Gardenhire and Black win MotY awards.

No votes for Buck… but a first-place vote for Cito “Sucks” Gaston?

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 17, 2010 2:29 PM EST reply actions  

What a joke.

Although the Jays did perform better than I thought they’d be without Halladay.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 17, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Tigers sign former Ray Benoit

MLB.com story. MLBTR is reporting 3/16M.

$5.5 for a setup man? That seems just plain silly to me.

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by dfa on Nov 17, 2010 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

Danys Baez and Jamie Walker don't think so.

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude

by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 17, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks like...

Gavin Floyd may be available – what do you think the White Sox would want back?

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 17, 2010 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

I'd think something like

Arrieta or Tillman plus some piece that we honestly don’t really have. But Tillman and Arrieta would probably get ’er done.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Would you do that?

That sounds pretty steep to me. I certainly hope that one of Tillman or Arrieta becomes better than Floyd…

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 17, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

well

Floyd is signed for 2 more years at 5 million and 7 million with a 9.5 million club option for 2013. He’s a local boy – he’s the Mt. St. Joe’s grad we like! – and he’s like a upper 3s ERA pitcher who can give you innings. Next year is his age 28 season.

I’d be tempted, at least.

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

He's not nearly as handsome as Jake Arrieta

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 17, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

How did this blog win the Mobbie again?

Going for the Royale treatment – I see.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 17, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

i bet his blog isn't as good as jake's either.

aubrey huff is a stud, but i’m MORE of a stud!

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 17, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd give you Tillman right now

Kinda hesitant to pull the trigger on Arrieta right now.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 17, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

ultimately I'm not comfortable dealing both of them, either

I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.

by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Right on that...

considering I would hope we’re going to be seeing them both throw a lot this year.

Tillman I’m further down on than Jake, but another piece too? Why deal a young guy with a reasonable contract now – it just seems odd.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 17, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

me too

I wouldn’t deal either for Floyd.

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by birdman on Nov 17, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah Tillman I'd not be sad about

although I’m still hoping he gets his mechanics straightened out and returns to form, but I definitely don’t want to give up both of them for him.

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by O'sFan21 on Nov 17, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Lower 4's ERA, actually

But I’d be tempted, too. Not both of those guys though. Tillman and, oh, I don’t know, Alberto Castillo?

by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 17, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm...

Actually, I see Berto is a FA. Damnit. There goes the trade bait…

by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 17, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

he's pitched better than his ERA indicates though

too bad Castillo isn’t in the organization anymore, though.

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by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Who picked up Castillo?

I can’t believe I just asked that. No doubt we could do a lot worse than Floyd. Throws strikes, doesn’t give up the long ball. That’d be a welcome change over the veteran arm we traded for last year…

by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 17, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

minor league free agent

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by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Great quote from the ESPN article on the MOTY Awards

“‘Congrats to the best manager in bestball!’ Twins center fielder Denard Span tweeted. ‘Way overdue!’ Span tweeted an apology moments later for misspelling baseball.”

That cracked me up.

by Holymittens on Nov 17, 2010 3:39 PM EST reply actions  

looking at mlbtraderumors

I see Scott Boras is still leaking contract offers despite the informal agreement between clubs and agents not to do so.

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by birdman on Nov 17, 2010 4:23 PM EST reply actions  

He's a fucking tool.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 17, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Rockies interested in Millwood?

Per Jon Heyman. Clearly the Rox were unimpressed with lack of a mentor. I bet their ace wouldn’t’ve fallen apart in the second half had old Millwood been around.

Follow up question: should the Orioles offer him arbitration? I was assuming not, but maybe the Rockies will do the Orioles a solid and sign him before the arb deadline.

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Nov 17, 2010 8:14 PM EST reply actions  

know what would be fucking awesome!?

if the rockies pick him up before the arbitration deadline. Free draft picks!

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by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be quite swell of them.

It’s not like they’d lose a pick.

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by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 17, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Rumors for Adam Dunn

are starting point of 3 yr 40 mil. Which means the O’s would have to immediately start at 3/45. Sounds reasonable, no?

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 17, 2010 8:21 PM EST reply actions  

Reasonable enough I suppose.

40 homer guys aren’t a dime a dozen anymore. I think $15 mil a year is ok, as long as he is still hitting 40 homers three years from now.

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by Knubles and Bits on Nov 17, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

35 makes it worth it for me

I really want Adam Dunn…

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by danielreese05 on Nov 17, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea. I would accept 35 a year from him.

But I would prefer 40.

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by Knubles and Bits on Nov 17, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd go 3/50

I want a cleanup hitter.

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by duck on Nov 17, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

He’s been pretty reliable, you know exactly what you’re gonna get from him every year. Would immediately make this offense around middle of the pack, and hopefully other guys make strides forward and this could be a 10-12 ranked offense. Or maybe that’s just wishful thinking.

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 17, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not really down for 3/$40M for Dunn as a DH

as a 1B, I could live with it. I don’t think it would be a great deal, but I wouldn’t complain.

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by birdman on Nov 17, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm fine with him playing 1B

not having seen him play defense a ton, is he that much of a liability at 1B? I thought his major defensive struggles were when he was playing OF.

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 17, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

is he that much of a liability at 1B?

His defense was ok last season at 1B but his defensive numbers overall at 1B suck.

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by birdman on Nov 18, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Dunn at DH, Luke at 1B

Works for me

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by duck on Nov 17, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Are we going to keep beating this to death?

Dunn doesn’t want to DH. I can’t see him passing up a deal from an NL team if he gets one.

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by twistedlogic on Nov 17, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Who gives a shit? Just let him play 1st.

I doubt he’s significantly worse than Luke would be over there anyway.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 17, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you not see the comment I was replying to?

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by twistedlogic on Nov 17, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

My point was that it doesn't matter which one of them DHs.

It was sort of a response to both you and Duck.

I also still don’t really believe he’d turn down the highest/longest offer to play mediocre defense at 1B instead of DH-ing, but that’s a different issue…

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 17, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Very true

which is why I think we’d have to immediately top the “starting point” of 3/40. Dunn, I think, will garner more interest this time around in free agency, though he is older and has virtually the same numbers as pre-Nationals. Market is just thinner and I think he’s proven his consistency.

Where do you bail out on him? Do you go higher than 15 mil/year?

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 17, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends

I think money is less of a problem than years. I’d be more inclined to give him more money per year to keep it a 3 year deal than adding a 4th or 5th year.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 17, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Every report I've seen has said that the NL market...

is drier than the Sahara right now – teams just don’t want his glove. So I wouldn’t rule out him finding Jesus and realizing what his true calling is.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 18, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

i subscribe to the groucho marx philosophy

anybody who’d be willing to join the Orioles is someone I’m not sure I want on the Orioles.

On the other hand, enough money will talk, brother.

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by Andrew_G on Nov 17, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

But seriously at some point they gotta start trying to make it an attractive place to play. A solid cleanup hitter that doesn’t break the bank or tie your hands long term is a pretty good starting point.

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by O'sFan21 on Nov 17, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd jump at that.

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by O'sFan21 on Nov 17, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

This is ridiculous

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=keown/101116

Gee, could the ESPN writer have been just a TAD more exploitative in his opening?

It’s a freakin’ video game, people.

Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".

by duck on Nov 17, 2010 8:40 PM EST reply actions  

Hannah Storm really shouldn't try to talk about video games

she sounds like she has no clue what’s going on. wait. Skip Bayless has a problem with it???? he’s like, one or two of the most rational people I know! unheard of!

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by danielreese05 on Nov 17, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry

Dana Jacobson…

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Pro Football South
"smoke weed, eat yogurt"

by danielreese05 on Nov 17, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

come to think of it

neither does Bayless…shocking…

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Pro Football South
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by danielreese05 on Nov 17, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Tim Keown's article was worse...

won’t link to it – please don’t give him page views, but it’s awful.

And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 18, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Pujols reportedly seeking 30 mil/year in free agency

And the Cardinals have no interest in giving it to him. Cliff Lee this year and Albert next? Sounds good to me…..Pujols needs to find a new number to wear though.

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 17, 2010 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

He's going to get that much too.

Pujols will be the best player to hit free agency in a very, very long time. If Howard got $25 mil or whatever, then Pujols will surely get 30. I’d give him 5/$150 or 6/$180 if thats what he wants.

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 17, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure he's hoping to get more like 8-10 years though

We could probably do 5/150 or 6/180, but when he’s 40+ we can’t afford to still be throwing 30 mil his way

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 17, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

He turns 31 in January.

I doubt he gets any more than 6-7 years. He is coming off of an 8 year/$11 mill contract, so it isn’t like this is his first chance at a pay day.

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 17, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

$111

missed a 1.

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 17, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Thankfully the Yankees

won’t be in the market for a 1B, so maybe it won’t get too ridiculous.

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 17, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

From mlbtraderumors.com

5:30pm: The Nationals, Pirates, and Orioles have been the most aggressive De La Rosa suitors, tweets Renck, while the Brewers are no longer in the mix.

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 17, 2010 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

Wow

that guy sure has a bunch of winners to pick from

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 17, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol. That's what I was thinking.

The Nats or Pirates can have him as far as I’m concerned.

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 17, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

If those are his main suitors

I don’t think I want him anyway

"You know how I get the safety? No safety so I went to hit Ray, and I lost...BAD" Chad Johnson on trying to block the great #52

by YeahDonnie on Nov 17, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Eva Longoria and Tony Parker gettin' divorced

Back on the market!

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by twistedlogic on Nov 17, 2010 9:43 PM EST reply actions  

Take a number.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 17, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

She should definitely hook up

with Evan Longoria. Best Celebrity couple ever. Can anyone come up with a “Bennifer” or “Brangelina” for them?

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 17, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The Longorii

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by Eat More Esskay on Nov 17, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Perfect

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by YeahDonnie on Nov 18, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

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