Friday Bird Droppings
by duck on Nov 19, 2010 6:48 AM EST
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PrintQuestion of the Day: Sorry for the lateness, gang. One of my favorite stories about the offseason so far is Shin-Soo Choo's quest for military exemption in the Asian Games, which you can read more about here. Choo's a surprisingly good player and I've heard at least one Orioles blogger grumble that Choo was who they want Nick Markakis to be. If the contracts were equal, would you trade Nick for Choo straight up? -Andrew
LATE ADDITION: Orioles, Padres, Mariners likely to bid on Tsuyoshi Nishioka | HardballTalk
The O's are apparently preparing a bid for the infielder. Interesting...
Steve Melewski: Britton joins forces with Boras
So, Zach Britton has some quotes about Scott Boras, but then Steve adds the list of eight Orioles MiLB players who must be added to the 40-man or risk being lost to the Rule V Draft: Zach Britton, Wynn Pelzer, Joe Mahoney, Matt Angle, Ryan Adams, Tyler Henson, Pedro Beato, Billy Rowell, Steve Johnson, Tim Bascom, Brandon Cooney, Pat Egan, Chad Thall, Brandon Waring and Robbie Widlansky.
School of Roch: Gabino, Hughes come off 40-man
So there's that.
Orioles Insider: Shelby will miss Baltimore; looking forward to Milwaukee
T-Bone Shelby will miss Baltimore, but he likes being gainfully employed, so off to Milwaukee!
MLB: Less recognizable free-agent pitchers could have huge impact - ESPN Los Angeles
The names at the top of the free-agent arms list are obvious -- Lee, Rivera, Soriano -- but the numbers suggest there are some other pitchers, some you might not expect, worth taking a look at this offseason.
Seattle ace Felix Hernandez is an easy winner for AL Cy Young Award - baltimoresun.com
And the baseball writers joined the rest of us in the 21st century.
Orioles Insider: Prediction Friday: Ravens-Panthers and David Hernandez's trade value
Dan Connolly has a pretty high opinion of David Hernandez's trade value.
Steve Melewski: O's release eight minor leaguers
Another wave of minor leagues has been cut loose, and expect up to 30 more to be cut in the days ahead.
School of Roch: An update and the 40-man
The Orioles have to set their 40-man roster by Saturday, and Roch does a pretty job jog of discussing all the ramifications, including what could happen to Steve Johnson this time if he's left off again.
Peo Javelinas 1, Scottsdale 0 (7) - Arizona Fall League
Multiple Orioles saw action, as Greg Miclat, Ryan Adams and Xavier Avery all started (and went collectively hitless) and Pat Egan and Wynn Pelzer each pitched a scoreless inning. The last AFL game is tomorrow.
The Toy Department: Orioles need to sign Derek Jeter
This was linked in yesterday's comments by Eat More Esskay, but I think it deserves its own recognition. If I thought for a second this was satire I would applaud. But alas, it appears to be serious. - Stacey
If Voldemort's really taken over the Open Thread, none of the old places are safe.
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You gotta love the folks that are arguing Felix Hernandez shouldn't win the CY because of his record.
They point to Nolan Ryan not winning it 1987 because his record was 8-16. “Wins just aren’t valued the same way as they were a quarter-century ago, and that’s a shame.”
These are the same folks that gave Jeter a GG because he only made 6 errors for a winning team.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
"Wins just aren’t valued the same way as they were a quarter-century ago..."
and that’s a good thing. :)
Now if we can just get the GG people living in the 21st Century, we’d be set.
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
Poor Coco Crisp has a unique problem in this age of high unemployment....
Apparently he can’t seem to find anyone to hire.
My favorite part of it, the “lighthouse work”. You wouldn’t expect Mr Crisp’s offseason activities to include keeping ships from running aground
Didn't know if anybody saw this:
Hear that Jen Royale? – we’re listed first of the three teams mentioned (who gives a shit if it’s because Baltimore is first in the alphabet)! I need to be in the running for Tsuyoshi Nishioka, I want to be in the running for Tsuyoshi Nishioka!
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 19, 2010 9:39 AM EST reply actions
Hopefully we don't bid on him.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 19, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Two days in a row of SS rumors
I know we need to upgrade at some point but wasn’t the hot stove priority supposed to be the corners?
by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 19, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
I'm still bummed that we didn't get Rajai "RBI Machine" Davis
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
No, no...
Rajai “Speedster” Davis. See also comments on team speed (re: Weaver, Earl).
by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 19, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Harry Potter was fantastic
Easily the best one yet.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
by Stacey on Nov 19, 2010 9:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions
NERD
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 19, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
I don't deny that
But it really was fantastic. I feel the same way about it like I did the latest Star Trek, that it would be enjoyable to people even if they’re not fans of the series.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
by Stacey on Nov 19, 2010 10:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What is your stance on...
LoTR and Star Wars (along with ST – the nerd triumverate)?
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 19, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
I've never seen Lord of the Rings
And I enjoy Star Wars, but not enough to talk about it with the nerds here. Star Trek was always the thing in my house growing up.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT
Stacey I will not talk to you from now on until you see Lord of the Rings
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Wow, dude, that is harsh.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
tell it to the hand
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Preferably to the one that isn't busy.
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
Stacey isn't the nerd you're looking for.
Move along, move along.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 19, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Seen teh poster
FIRED with a Stormtrooper at a bar?
The tagline is pretty funny.
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
LOTR
OH – ver RA – ted
clap clap clapclapclap
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Totally disagree
I thought they did a great job of distilling those overwritten tomes into fascinating mvoies.
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
I thought they were very good movies
I did not think they were some of the greatest films of our time, which they have been made out to be.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Negative.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 19, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
until about 1999, I would have agreed with you
But let’s just say the last 11 years have not been kind to the Stars Wars Franchise.
Hmmmm….perhaps a parallel exists between Star Wars and the Orioles? The periods of greatness/lowness sure do match.
agree with the last eleven years comment
my first love will always be Star Trek, but throughout high school I was a big SW fan (yeah, yeah, I didn’t date much). This was around the time when the SEs were coming out, the CCG was pretty popular, the EU novels were coming out all the time, and the X-Wing computer games were state-of-the-art.
Basically, SW was riding high and had captured the hearts of all nerds, and then Lucas releases the prequels and basically kills all of the nerd cred in one fell swoop.
I still play through TIE Fighter every few years.
Aaron Allston’s novels are my favorites, followed by Timothy Zahn’s. Oh, and the Lando Calrissian Adventures are great, but they’re from a different era.
(I like Star Trek too, but only the original crew, really.)
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
The first four X-Wing novels were written by Michael A. Stackepole
I don’t think I read many of the Aaron Allston books. I may have read books 1-6 and moved on. They were some of my favorites as well – basically cemented my man-crush on Wedge.
I liked Stackpole's,
and it actually took me a while to start Allston’s, because I was miffed that Wedge was about the only returning character. Then a friend of mine starting reading Allston’s and got me to read them, and I liked them far more than Stackpole’s.
And yes, Wedge is the man.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
TIE Fighter is one of the best games ever made.
I knew I had some kindred spirits on here, but I didn’t realize that much. Haha – CCG players, EU novel readers, people who know the X-Wing games… yeah, like Phil said, it’s no wonder I didn’t date much back in those days. :P
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 19, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Tie Fighter, the original 3 Star Wars movies, and the 69-71Orioles
The best ever. Minus the end of Return of the Jedi. I could have done without the last few minutes.
X-Wing
was one of my favorite games. I really liked that they didn’t subscribe to the whole stupid ‘one shot and the fighter is destroyed’ sort of thing that you see in the movies. It just seemed very ‘realistic’ (yeah yeah I know we’re talking about flying space fighters)
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
by NewYorkOriole on Nov 19, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Back in the day when I was into them
My favorites were TIE Fighter, X Wing, Aces of the Pacific and Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe. I don’t even want to think now how much time I wasted playing them, but it sure the heck was fun. Thank God I’ve resisted the X-Box 360 and Play Station thing. Until now, at least.
Well sure
but did Voyager and Enterprise really enhance the Trek series? I’m not really a Sci-Fi guy, but i’ve watched a bit of Trek and ive seen all the Star Wars movies. I think they’ve both become a bit weaker over the years.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I can understand that...
but last year’s trek movie did a lot to bring it up in my eyes. and nothing Star Wars-related in the past decade has done anything like that.
Of course, I might be a bit misinformed, as I never really watched Voyager or Enterprise, and have only seen the Star Wars/Trek movies.
My geekiness tended to gravitate to more superhero-y stuff back when I still had time to be truly geeky
being honest
I sat down to watch Star Trek (2009) the other night and I couldn’t finish it. I loved it when it was in theaters, but I think I’ll wait for the next one.
I liked the super hero stuff too
and as far as something that impressed me with Star Wars, the story line in The Force Unleashed was pretty amazing. If they make that into a movie (and dont fuck with it too much) it would be a huge boon to the series imo.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
My sentiments as well
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I really enjoyed the Star Trek movie
I prefer Star Wars over Star Trek, but that was the best movie of the year. The Dark Knight was a close second.
"I know the save rule, believe me. But it doesn't carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better." - Buck Showalter
I would trade Nick for Choo.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
by Stacey on Nov 19, 2010 10:01 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Im going to disagree with you
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Should we talk about it?
Or just leave it at that.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
And I'm going to strongly agree with you.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 19, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
If I were talking to you, I would say
that while Choo has been a more productive player than the Stick, I think that Nick has more potential left in him than Choo. It would not surprise me at all to see Markakis outplay his Korean-Indian counterpart from here on out. It would not surprise me to see them turn into basically the same player either.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
This only tells me that Choo is slightly better right now
But his stats are declining somewhat and Nick’s are remaining fairly constant.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 19, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
except for that pesky power drought
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Where do you see Choo's stats are declining?
I’m sure not seeing it. His line on every graph is pretty straight across, while Markakis’ are up and down. Choo, while only slightly better, has been much more consistent.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Nov 19, 2010 11:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
His BABIP has dropped about 50 points.
He also strikes out 5-6 percent more than Nicky does.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 19, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
there's reason to attribute some BABiP skill to hitters
its just a question of how much.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Um...they are the ones hitting the ball?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 19, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
sure, but they aren't fielding it
so there’s still a lot that’s outside of the batter’s control.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Devils advocate
You can say the same thing about everything in baseball
HR’s for instance. A hitter can’t control the pitch a pitcher throws, so there is luck involved in HR’s as well.
by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 19, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Beat me to that
Everything in baseball has some measure on “uncontrollability” (pretty sure I just made up a word there) out of the individual player’s hands.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 19, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
yes, exactly!
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I don't really think that's true
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 19, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
sure it does
A hitter can’t control the pitch a pitcher throws,
That quote is true but it applies to EVERY hitter (unless there’s tipping going on) so that luck evens for all players.
Your mother.
Luck evens out over the course of the season as far as players regressing to their career BABIP
but different hitting styles can lead to higher or lower BABIP than the average player. The reason its so much more consistent for pitchers is because over a large enough sample they will all face roughly the same sort of hitters.
Close to it
But you can say the same thing about the defense a player hits into
by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 19, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
His BABIP has dropped
but not his average. Therefore he is putting more balls in play then before, but reaching base at the same clip. I don’t really care about his strikeout rate, because he still gets on base more than Nick over the last two years.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Nov 19, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I love Choo
and I have for a while. I don’t think i’d trade Nick for Choo though, and I dont really think it would end up making that big of a difference for either team. When all is said and done, I think they have pretty similar careers.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
me too
except, and I don’t know the details, but Choo hasn’t completed his service to the Korean army. If Korea wins the Asia Games today, then Choo will be exempted from further service. If not, there’s some speculation that it might interfere with his big league career.
Your mother.
they already won
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I was up late baking bread of all things
i am now soooo tired….but I have two loaves of something called Portuguese Sweet Bread.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I wish there was something called Portuguese Sweet Bread at my house
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
A guy in my office made some for our Thanksgiving lunch yesterday.
It’s pretty fantastic.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
So you are the guy seeing my ex girlfriend.
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
40 Man
Would someone please explain the significance of the 40 man roster. Thanks.
Here is a really good article on it
http://www.brewcrewball.com/2009/1/4/703125/the-40-man-roster-how-does
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Good Lord
My head is spinning after reading that. I’m going to have to take the time and go over that again, line by line.
dont bother
All you need to know is that after a few years a player has to be put on the 40 man roster or else be exposed to the rule 5 draft. Also, players on the 40 man roster get extra benefits and i believe you have to start using options. I think those are the biggest points to remember, but i didnt bother re-reading the article so that could be inaccurate.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Nov 19, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
SS
Sox looking for Bullpen help at the expense of Scutaro. Any reason to think the O’s would pick up the phone? May end up being cheaper than Hardy.
This is a near verbatim conversation I had the "pleasure" of taking part in today....
(Mike is sitting at his desk doing work)
Colleague #1 – "Hey Mike, how’s it going? So the belt on my vacuum broke last night. "
Mike (confused as to why he’s getting this information)- “Um….I’m sorry to hear that. Our Dyson is awesome, so you may want to consider an upgrade”
Colleague #2 (appearing seemingly out of nowhere) – “I couldn’t help but overhear. What kind of vacuum do you have?”
C #1 – “It’s a Bissel, I think.”
C #2 – “Oh! Well, you don’t need to buy a new vacuum! Just replace the belt with….”(about a minute and a half of obscure vacuum cleaner technical jargon)
Mike: “So I really have to finish this thing…..”
C#1 (ignoring Mike) – “That’s not a bad idea! What do you think, Mike?”
Mike – “Well, I guess you could do that to save some money…..Hey guys, I actually have a fair amount of work here”
C#2 – “Oh…..but you’ll also have to make sure to….” (another 2 minutes of technical vacuum jargon)
C#1 – “Hmmmm….what do you think about that, Mike?”
Mike – sigh
It’s like I work at the Algonquin Round Table.
minus the whiskey sours
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
And Jennifer Jason Leigh
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
Tell him Dysons break easy
my brother’s mother-in-law sells vacuums and she hates ’em. this is important.
cxcxcxcxzzzzzzzzz
you've doomed him
to a life of Sears-Kenmore brand. I don’t know how you can live with yourself.
cxcxcxcxzzzzzzzzz
Dyson's suck
Huh, huh. Seriously, we’re on our third hose, going on fourth. It’s a gadgety piece of crap.
by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 19, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
We have an Oreck (sp?).
My wife loves it.
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
Follow up on Baltimore Sun voting policy
I emailed Jeff Zrebiec at the Sun about the voting policy, and this was his reply:
I know that we’re not allowed to vote for any of the postseason awards due to our ethics code. I think the Washington Post also prohibits its reporters from participating in the postseason awards process.
That seems straight up bananas to me. I’m thinking about emailing the BBWAA re: lack of baltimore voting.
Librarians are hiding something
Nishioka
How much would you post for Nishioka?
I’ll start the bidding at $8M, though really I’d just as well take Hardy.
Librarians are hiding something
too much
I’d probably post no more than 3 million.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
There's no real rhyme or reason to my limit
What’s the rationale behind your guess?
(I guess there is some reason, I certainly wouldn’t make him a ridonculous offer like $20M.)
Librarians are hiding something
I'm not convinced he's a better option than a guy like Hardy at all
and Hardy’ll make like 6 million or so this year. I don’t mind overpaying for a guy, but it has to be within reason. And the posting fee is of course separate from actual contracts.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I'm not sure Nishioka is better than a guy like Uribe, even
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I don't know if I'd go that far
Uribe’s career OBP is 300. Nishioka has the potential to be good, especially since he’ll be 27 next season.
Librarians are hiding something
Various FA updates:
Uncertainty over whether and how much the Orioles will bid on Nishioka, interest in de la Rosa is “tepid”, and
Uehara appears to be at the top of the Orioles’ list of their own free agents that they want to resign.KOJI! KOJI! KOJI!
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/2010/11/orioles_free_agent_tidbits.html
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
de la Rosa is going to get so overpaid this winter
he’ll put Benoit and Buck to shame.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Koji v. sandwich pick
While his sideburns are awesome, I’d prefer the draft pick over Koji
Librarians are hiding something
I'm a lot less certain Koji would decline arb if offered
hard to get a read on his market right now though
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
that's a risk I'm willing to take
There are a lot of interesting relief arms out there which I thought would deflate the market, until I saw how much Benoit received. Worst case scenario the Orioles get Koji for one more year at what, $6M per?
Librarians are hiding something
That's expensive for somebody that injury-prone
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 19, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, but let's say he signs with another team
Then the 35th pick in an alleged talent deep draft is a risk I’m more than willing to take.
Librarians are hiding something
If Koji gets arb,
isn’t it entirely possible that his salary drops? Everyone seems to assume it’s going to go up, but I’m just not convinced that he’d get a raise if he accepted arb.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
it seems pretty tough to figure on him getting less
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Yeah, I don't really expect it either.
But offering him arbitration just seems like a no-brainer. Either we get an extra draft pick, or we pay a reasonable amount to an effective (if not sub-3 ERA) reliever. It’s not like we can’t afford him even if he did get a small raise — and if he accepts arb, we’re only locked in for one year, and if he’s good again, we could be up for a draft pick or two the following year.
And yeah, he could be injured for most of the year again, which would suck, but it seems like a reasonable gamble.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
True.
But Gonzo’s getting $6M, right? Doubt Koji takes less than him.
by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 19, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
That's exactly the problem
Dead freakin weight.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 19, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be ok with going Lugo on Gonzo
Regardless of what he did toward the end last year (which really wasn’t much; just better than the train wreck at the begining), pay him to go away. Frees up a spot and maybe you get something back. Probably doesn’t do much for the negotiation with Koji, however.
by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 19, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
call me crazy
tear me apart, whatever, I haven’t yet given up on Gonzo…one more year of healthy baseball and I’ll pass judgement.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Nov 19, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I think there's a chance he could work out
But it’s a problem having 2 closers. It’s also a problem dealing him and being left with no lefty in the pen.
by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 19, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
No matter how well he does in 2011 it won't make his 2010 any more valuable.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
that's true
but I don’t think we’re going to get a better deal. Benoit missed all of 2009 with a torn labrum and he still got that monster contract. Rafael Soriano is also injury-prone and people are speculating he’ll get an even better contract than Benoit. also, Koji’s injuries seemed endurance-related – like, muscle strains and stuff – they weren’t arm injuries, and the risk might be lessened if he’s a full-time reliever from the start.
I wouldn’t love it, but if we got Uehara at like 1 year / $6 mil or 2 years / $10 mil, I’d accept it. I mean, honestly, it’s better than giving John Buck $18 million – and the Marlins are the cheapest franchise in the majors.
Yea...poor planning there
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by twistedlogic on Nov 19, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I was planning on leaving by 1 too
Alas, its 118 and I’m still here.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 19, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
So i'm doing today's USA Today crossword
and apparently a 5 letter word for ‘hit just past the infield’ is not JETER
Crossword's are never accurate
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by twistedlogic on Nov 19, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
oh damn
You’re right. I could hide it to spare myself the shame if I wanted to.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 19, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
too late.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
damn
Caught in the act.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 19, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Craziness!
A football game at Wrigley Field. With only one end zone.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
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"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
dumbest thing ever
Why do you even need to play the game there anyways?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 19, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
oftentimes
there’s the thinnest of lines between dumbest thing ever and coolest thing ever.
cxcxcxcxzzzzzzzzz
This is pretty dumb
What’s the point of playing a football game at a baseball stadium? Just like ND/Navy playing at Yankee Stadium. Zero point. They have their own stadiums for a reason.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 19, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
The NYC area is just not a college football market right now
The Yankee stadium games were really meant to drum up a bit of excitement in the area and try to tap into the billions of dollars from the market. I dont get the Wrigley thing though. It isnt like the Chicago area totally hates college sports.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Negative
It’s actually smaller.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 19, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
What if someone intercepts a pass and runs it back to the end of the field without the end zone?
Does it not count?
It has an endzone
but the right field wall is right at the back of it, so for safety reasons they are playing in only one direction on offense.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Nov 19, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, I see now. Thanks
I went back and took another look zk’s picture. I’m not thinking this is a good idea. NHL hockey on Christmas Day might work there, but I’m not so sure about football.
Plus, hockey games are normally inside
They’re being played outside once a year to change it up a little. Football games are almost always outside.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 19, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
some good planning obv
I wonder if bartman will be there to block kicks…
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Jeter
Teams I would like to see sign Jeter when he turns down teh 3/$45, in this order:
1) Boston
1a) NY Mets
2) Arizona
3) Dodgers
4) Phillies
Boston would be perfect
Yankee fans would hate it, Boston fans would either hate it or show their true bandwagon, front-running selves, and I could hate Jeter just as actively.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I'd rather him go to a bad team
and watch him spend the rest of his career losing.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Nov 19, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think there's a pretty good chance Jeter goes into Eff You mode if NYY doesn't bring him back
Maybe it won’t last the full length of the 3-4 year contract he is going to demand from somebody… but I wouldn’t call it impossible that he goes nuts for two years.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 19, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
The only way that he gets a contract is if he lowers his demands.
He is apparently now asking for 6 years and $100+ million. He is going to realize that he can’t get that and take a shorter contract. No way do I see him signing anywhere but NY. Once he realizes that no one else will pay him he will take what they offer. If anything he is going to cost himself money by playing this game and the Yankees will realize that he isn’t in demand and they will lower their offer.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Nov 19, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he's crazy for not taking 3/63 on day one. If they really offered that.
Although really he’s crazy for not taking anything above like 3/30 immediately. And I’m sure THAT has been offered by now.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 19, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
40 man fun
Steve adds the list of eight Orioles MiLB players who must be added to the 40-man or risk being lost to the Rule V Draft: Zach Britton, Wynn Pelzer, Joe Mahoney, Matt Angle, Ryan Adams, Tyler Henson, Pedro Beato, Billy Rowell, Steve Johnson, Tim Bascom, Brandon Cooney, Pat Egan, Chad Thall, Brandon Waring and Robbie Widlansky.
I would protect:
Britton, Pelzer, Adams, Beato
I would think the following might be picked:
Angle, Steve Johnson
I would also look to pick from somebody else. Who would you protect?
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Britton, Angle, and Mahoney have been added.
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/2010/11/britton_mahoney_angle_added_to.html
Don’t know if they’re done (Roch thinks they are). 5 slots are left.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
How could they not protect Pelzer?
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 19, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno;
I guess they’re hoping his ~5 BB/9 in AA and 12 BB in 11 AFL innings discourage anyone from picking him up.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Nevermind. I didn't realize claimed players had to be kept on the 25-man roster, not just the 40-man.
I guess they feel now of the others are ready for that just yet.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 19, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
*none* of the others..
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 19, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Leaving 5 empty slots suggests that the Warehouse is intent on bringing in some players via free agency and/or trade
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 19, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I guess
I just don’t know why they value Mahoney and Angle over Adams. Angle seems like a 4th OF type, Mahoney strikes out a ton, and while Adams can’t field for shit, he can hit the ball.
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is he ready to be take up a space on ML roster though?
Seems that is why they would leave Pelzer, or any of the other for that matter, unprotected. Maybe some team is willing to claim Adams and have him sit at the end of the bench. But, then, why would they protect Mahoney?
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 19, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
Adams
Seems like a good fit for the NL, a pinch hitter off the bench who can play multiple positions, albeit poorly.
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I dunno.
He doesn’t have all that much pop, so he’s not a great PH, and his defense is terrible, so he can’t be a defensive replacement. I can’t see him sticking for an NL team, especially not for a full year.
Mahoney, on the other hand, might have that kind of pop, and I’ve read good things about his defense at 1B. And I can see being very protective of a up-and-coming corner INF over a can’t-field middle INF.
And Angle would be a perfect pickup for a team as their 4th OF / defensive replacement, so I agree entirely with protecting him.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
agree to disagree
I think we’ll have to agree to disagree. Adams posted an OPS of 829 in Bowie at age 23. Mahoney spent half the season in Frederick and half in Bowie and while he posted an OPS of 922 in Bowie. Of course, Mahoney is a 1B prospect, and Adams isn’t. Of more concern is Mahoney K/BB ratio. He strikes out a ton and doesn’t get many walks, and that seems like a formula for a big guy who is going to be fooled quite a bit as he goes up the ladder.
As it pertains to Angle, I’m just not sure how valuable a guy like him will be. Fourth outfielders seem pretty fungible. Angle posted a 640 OPS in AAA last year where his SLG was 303. I’m not sure who would pick him in the Rule 5 draft.
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defense
Angle is supposed to be a good defensive CF. that counts for a lot, especially in the NL. Tony Gwynn played in 106 games for the Padres with a .204/.304/.287 line – and they almost reached the playoffs. and you don’t need to look too far from him to see a Rule 5 draft pick comparable to Angle – Everth Cabrera. the Padres picked him up two years ago after a .284/.361/.399 season in single-A and he actually started 101 games (although this past year he was pretty bad).
I’m a little surprised that we didn’t protect Pelzer, but then again last year there was a lot of angst over not protecting Johnson and that turned out OK in the end.
Well, now that they've decided, let's go through the list.
Zach Britton: Not protecting him would be insane.
Wynn Pelzer: Still walks lots of guys and a mediocre AFL showing. Probably figuring he could get picked up and returned, like Dteve Johnson last year.
Joe Mahoney: Protected, somewhat oddly. Maybe worried he could’ve been a bench guy and PH for an NL team, or just wanting to hang onto a rare corner IF semi-prospect.
Matt Angle: Probably could be a team’s 4th OF now, so makes sense to protect him.
Ryan Adams: Can’t hit enough to start yet, and can’t defend enough to be a utility guy.
Tyler Henson: Decent enough year at AA, but not good enough to really put him on anybody’s radar.
Pedro Beato: I’d have to check a scouting report, but he was a reliever in AA, and I don’t think teams are in the habit of picking up minor league relievers without great raw stuff.
Billy Rowell: Three years at A+, and no major progress? Not getting on anybody’s 25-man.
Steve Johnson: Didn’t protect him last year, and he regressed a bit this year.
Tim Bascom: Decent in AA, bad in AAA. Doesn’t get a lot of strikeouts anyway.
Brandon Cooney: Has only pitched 45 innings above A+, and walked 4.2 per 9 innings.
Pat Egan: Another minor league reliever, and he only struck out ~4.5 per 9 innings.
Chad Thall: Another minor league reliever, and he’s spent 2.5 years in AA with little improvement.
Brandon Waring: Decent but not great 2010; not a guy I can see spending a whole year on somebody’s bench.
Robbie Widlansky: Has only played half a year in AA and didn’t hit well.
So, basically, their decisions make sense to me.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I really did not mean to post that without previewing.
“Dteve” Johnson? Oy…
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Steve.
I really should’ve bolded names or something, too, to make that block of text more readable.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Ahaha.
Fair enough.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Anyone see the Upton news?
What would we have to give up to get in on him? Would we want to? I assume Nick + Britton + one or two other pieces.
Thought?
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
If the O's were working with farm system depth such as Tampa Bay's, Texas', or KC's I'd be all for it.
Unfortunately, the O’s just don’t have the depth currently to be able to afford the price that the D-backs will demand for Upton.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 19, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
agree
Upton is only worth brining in when the O’s have a 1B, 3B, and SS and maybe a SP signed. At that point I would look at what I had left and decide what I want to use to get Upton. which, at that point would be a bucket of bp balls and albers. not sure we are getting upton for that.
I think you're forgetting that...
if our bp balls are anything like our game balls, they’re incredible for anyone not in an o’s uni.
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by arlingtonOsFan on Nov 20, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
Arizona's demands
the Dbacks want 3 young ML ready players along with 2 other prospects. only a team with an elite farm system – not us – could absorb that kind of impact.
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