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Aww, look at Manhorse. He's so happy! (Photo by Ronald Martinez/Getty Images)

Question of the Day: In honor of the World Champion San Francisco Giants, today's question is about Buster Posey. Posey was one of the only position players on the Giants worth his salt (he hit .305/.357/.505 on the year) while our own Matt Wieters of course has struggled so far (he hit .249/.319/.377 in 2010), but for 2011 and beyond, who would you rather have, and to what do you attribute the difference in performance? -Andrew

Giants win the Series! Giants win the Series! | SFGiants.com: News
So, the Giants won Game 5. That means Texas will start C.J. Wilson in Game 6...wait, that's it? The Giants won in five games? Well, I'll be darned.

Your F***ing Polling Location
Where you go to f***ing vote today. -zk

Orioles Insider: Kranitz, Bergesen, Guthrie talk about Kranitz leaving 
One disturbing note about Rick Kranitz leaving is no one in the Orioles' front office even contacted him during the last two weeks of his contract. At least tell the guy you're not bringing him back.

Orioles Insider: Kranitz heads to Houston 
Rick Kranitz accepted a job as the Houston Astros' minor league pitching coordinator. He wanted to stay on a MLB staff, but Mark Connor's all but hanging up picture frames in Kranny's old office.

The Favre streak doesn’t feel anything like Ripken’s | Examiner.com
What this guy is saying is that Brett Favre, you are no Cal Ripken. - Stacey

Giants’ Huff Followed Winding Road to World Series - NYTimes.com
Aw, Huff Daddy.- Stacey

BaseballAmerica.com: Baltimore Orioles Top 10 Prospects
As discussed in yesterday's Bird Droppings, the Orioles top 10 prospects as decided by Baseball America were released yesterday with Manny Machado at the top.- Stacey

Joe Buck and Tim McCarver are ruining the playoffs - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
Yeah they are!- Stacey

Rangers CEO Greenberg on Yankees fans: 'Awful, violent' - Big League Stew - MLB  - Yahoo! Sports
Tell us something we don't know, Chucky.- Stacey

Baseball Seeks to Limit Champagne Celebrations - NYTimes.com
Major League Baseball is cracking down on the alcohol spewing.- Stacey

Listen, Lupus, you didn't come into this life just to sit around on a dugout bench, did ya? Now get your Open Thread out there and do the best you can.

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here's my question of the day:

Last season Wieters had big strides in being a catcher, but his performance as a hitter decreased, what strides do want to see from him in his hitting?

"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese

This represents everything I hate about the Yankees.

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 2, 2010 7:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Wieters's 2010 was weird.

On the one hand, he just looked terrible for a good chunk of the year, and his line drive rate went from 18.5% to 15.4%. But on the other, his walk rate rose from 7.3% to 9.4%, his strikeout rate dropped from 24.3% to 21.1%, and his power rates stayed steady (.124 to .128 ISO and 8.4% to 8.0% HR/FB). I’d just blame BABiP, but that LD% drop probably wasn’t just luck. I think we can hope for a line of .280/.350/.450 or so. That would require his power to start to emerge, but I think we can hope for that by the second half.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 2, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

The 2010 Mobbies have started

You can vote for Camden Chat here: http://data.baltimoresun.com/mobbies/2010/voting/index.php

I’m going to put up a proper post about it later today, but please vote! We won last year for best Orioles blog, but we’re up against some heavy hitters this time around in Melewski and Roch.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 8:22 AM EDT reply actions  

We won last year for best Orioles blog, but we’re up against some heavy hitters this time around in Melewski and Roch.

So you’re saying we’re a lock to repeat?

by kba26 on Nov 2, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Only if you get off your ass and vote!

There is no place for apathy in Birdland.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Already did

this is clearly the most important voting opportunity of the day

by kba26 on Nov 2, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not much on the VA ballot this year

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anybody see Zach Galinfianlialialiaaskas (sp?)...

on Real Time? Lit up a doobie and everything. California is a fun state.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Greeks everywhere!

If Nick ever gets chubby and grows his caveman beard, that’s kind of what he’d look like.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was AWESOME

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 2, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone actually like Roch?

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like Roch okay

you just have to know what he is and what he isn’t and I can like what he is.

No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.

by Andrew_G on Nov 2, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like him too

I also like that HE knows what he is.

I had a heated discussion last night with someone about Wieters vs. Posey. When I am on the regular computer I shall have a lot to say about it.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 9:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This whole "vote once per day" trend is stupid.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 2, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

You'll do it and you'll like it!

But yeah, I agree. Just vote once!

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can we vote, delete our cookies

and vote again?

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I certainly do not condone cheating

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 9:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I just realized you're off school today

Fantastic

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 9:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Are schools usually closed for mid-terms?

I’m pretty sure they just had us go in the back door this morning and the school itself was open

by kba26 on Nov 2, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not in Howard County

If there’s an election, we’re off.

"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese

This represents everything I hate about the Yankees.

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 2, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

those sneaky mother fuckers

when you sign up to vote, you have to click a checkbox to NOT receive spam.

by PhilR8 on Nov 2, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that's par for the course, sadly

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't vote today

Still registered back at mom’s house in Carroll County and didn’t see any issues on the sample ballot that demanded my attention. Also didn’t feel like being in the car for two hours today. Sorry, Susan Gaztañaga, but you get one less vote.

by PhilR8 on Nov 2, 2010 8:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I've been informed that i'm apparently registered in Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and Maryland.

I’d be curious to see how many times i could actually vote without anyone noticing.

by kba26 on Nov 2, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I drove the hour and a half back to calvert county

To vote this morning. You can go to your new polling place and they will reregister you in your new location and you can vote without driving all the way to your old place as long as you have changed your address on your drivers license. I haven’t so I had to make the drive.

The stache is back!

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 2, 2010 10:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yea I haven't changed mine since I don't plan on

being here for too long. I just wanted to give you the heads up in case you had.

The stache is back!

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 2, 2010 10:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

At least you have certainty.

Oregon is a state that you can only vote by mail. No polling stations any longer. And unlike Washington, your ballot has to be received by election day, not simply post marked. That means you have to make sure you have filled out your ballot and gotten it in the mail several days in advance of election day for it to count. I dropped mine in on Thursday. That should be sufficient for it to get to Portland from Seattle, but the fact is I will never know for sure if my ballot made it in time and was counted. Just one of the many reasons I am against vote by mail.

The other one is the greatly increased opportunity for fraudulent or influenced voting.

Screw the argument that by making voting easier it increases turnout. If you can’t get your lame ass to the polls, you don’t deserve to vote.

Final Thought for the Day: Men are like a fine wine. They start out as
grapes, and it's up to women to stomp the crap out of them until they
turn into something acceptable to have dinner with.

Dave Barry

by timg56 on Nov 2, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've never heard of that before

That’s really weird.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I figured out why O'Malley is winning the polls.

Ehrlich’s ads: Well O’Malley’s gonna do bad stuff, and I’m not. O’Malley’s ads: Ehrlich gave all this money to these big bad banks when he wasn’t governor, what kinda crap do you think he’ll do when he’s governor.

O’Malley has cold hard facts, and Ehrlich doesn’t.

"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese

This represents everything I hate about the Yankees.

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 2, 2010 8:43 AM EDT reply actions  

all political ads are bullshit

I can’t wait until the election is over so I can watch tv in peace.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 8:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

all political ads are bullshit

FTFY

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not true

I find some ads thoroughly entertaining.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 9:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Try living in Philly during an election year, its the worst

Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Delaware ads. Its non-stop.

by kba26 on Nov 2, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno...

Florida is pretty bad. We have three people running for senate and they all suck, but that hasn’t stopped each of them from spending a crap-ton of money to tell me why the other 2 suck slightly more.

And the tea party governor candidate is a Medicare scam artist, which makes no sense whatsoever. How are you gonna vote for someone who made millions stealing YOUR tax dollars when you are anti-tax? Anyway, he is playing a game of bombardment with all airwaves; radio, TV and telephone.

"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."

by tflach2 on Nov 2, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Telephone campaigns are the worse

With radio and TV you can change the channel, with phone ad’s you really can’t.

"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese

This represents everything I hate about the Yankees.

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 2, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

You could just, you know, hang up the phone

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

or not answer it

or, ditch the landline and just get a cell phone, which is most likely unlisted, and if it isn’t you can just see who’s calling and if you don’t recognize the number you send it to voicemail, and if the voicemail is the second half of a recording, you just save that number in your contacts under “Political RoboAsshole” and never pick it up again.

by PhilR8 on Nov 2, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I already have several "assholes" labeled in my phonebook haha

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Political campaigns have whatever number you gave the Board of Elections

Thats it. No secret pile of cell phone numbers, just what you gave the Bd of Elections when you registered to vote.

"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword

by duck on Nov 2, 2010 9:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think it would be funny to list one of those phone sex numbers

Although I’d hate to have my name attached to that application.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of which ...

… the a couple of years ago we changed the number of our Customer Call center (for the power company). The old number ended up getting reassigned to a sex line.

Final Thought for the Day: Men are like a fine wine. They start out as
grapes, and it's up to women to stomp the crap out of them until they
turn into something acceptable to have dinner with.

Dave Barry

by timg56 on Nov 2, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha

Awesome. I’ll bet that made for some great customor service!

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watching the world series was the worst

One night, an entire commercial break was dedicated to political ads. Another night, I was treated to back-to-back Question A ads – each contradicting the other. One ad literally said, “The ad telling you to vote for Question A is wrong” and the next ad said, “The ad telling you not to vote for Question A is wrong.”

by PhilR8 on Nov 2, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

its like the doorman riddle!

No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.

by Andrew_G on Nov 2, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

except everyone is a liar

"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."

by tflach2 on Nov 2, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I am really, really tired of Question A ads.

All the slots arguing has been weird from the get-go, though. That was true in 2008 too. I have yet to actually meet a person who voted for slots (although now that I’ve said that in a bigger venue like CC, I imagine someone here will tell me they did). But out of my extended family and friends – a group of people who, on the whole, have very little in common politically – we somehow all decided for various reasons that the slots thing was full of shit.

“Slots are going to fix our budget woes!” Yeah, sure they are.

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I voted for slots

mainly because I’m a degenerate gambler myself.

by PhilR8 on Nov 2, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that's the thing.

I’d vote for full casino gambling because I’d like to be able to play poker in downtown Baltimore rather than drive to Atlantic City, or now Charles Town (although I went there once and was not impressed). But who gives a crap about slots?

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I just wanted to lower the friction of distance, you know? We have slots, now we can focus on blackjack.

by PhilR8 on Nov 2, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's actually a pretty reasonable outlook.

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Never seen one

Remind me what Question A is

"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword

by duck on Nov 2, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Slots at Arundel Mills

Ad #1: PUT THE SLOTS AT LAUREL RACE TRACK. IT’S TOTALLY LEGAL

Ad #2: YOU CANNOT PUT THE SLOTS AT LAUREL. IT’S TOTALLY ILLEGAL.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is it not a state-wide question?

I don’t even remember that on the ballott.

"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword

by duck on Nov 2, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, it's AA County only.

Which is why the rest of us getting flooded with ads for it is annoying as hell.

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know

I can’t even vote on it. Leave me alone!

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Other contradictory ads

Ad #1: THE SLOTS BUILDING WILL BE CONNECTED TO THE MALL

Ad #2: THE SLOTS BUILDING WILL NOT BE CONNECTED TO THE MALL

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

They're neverending

Ad #1: THINK OF THE CHILDREN! THEY DON’T NEED SLOTS AT THE MALL!

Ad #2: THINK OF THE CHILDREN! MONEY FOR SCHOOLS!

I work in AA County, and on my drive in to work today, the road leading to my office is literally alternating signs both for and against Question A.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

To be honest with you...

it isn’t that confusing of an issue.

Question A is a ballot initiative filed on behalf of taxpayers in AA County that deals with a slots parlor to be operated next to AMills Mall. It is not in the Mall, but it is like, right next door.

People for A support the initiative because it: allows gambling (slots only), creates a few jobs, and theoretically brings in revenue to the State.

People against A argue: slots shouldn’t be that close to the Mall/Residential area (moral reasons), should have gone to Laurel Park/Pimlico (practical reasons – betting already allowed, race tracks are under threat of closure due to bankruptcy), or should just not be allowed at all (buzkills).

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Playing slots isn't betting like horse racing is.

It’s more like playing the lotto, which happens to be legal. Just my two cents.

The stache is back!

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 2, 2010 10:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

No...

but it requires you to actually be on site to do the gambling, which is why it is more similar to horce racing than the lotto. With that comes other issues: alcohol abuse, prostitution, etc.

I’m not against slots, but I do prefer it to be kept where the infrastucture to handle the vice elements are already in place.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

What i don't understand is why Maryland is even bothering with slots

With so many states around them already going to table games. It was maybe a good incremental step when everyone else was tiptoeing around the issue, but going to slots now isn’t going to keep the gambling in-state.

by kba26 on Nov 2, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone with a bingo license in calvert county

Can have slots. Funny thing is most places with the slots don’t ever have bingo.

The stache is back!

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 2, 2010 11:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

bingo is way more fun than slots

Slots are so boring, I don’t really understand. Video poker is all right. Mostly I prefer table games, but sometimes we warm up with some slots. I do like Price is Right because you get to play the games.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would imagine by the time all the slots parlors are running, they'll already be saying we need blackjack.

There may be an extra grace period if some bribery is discovered, and everyone else who took a bribe thinks they’d better not do anything shady until the storm passes. At this point I think it’s kind of fait accompli though.

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is, and i think they could just go ahead and skip a step

and go straight to table games. I’m not sure why thats such a harder sell.

by kba26 on Nov 2, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

The national harbor area would make a sweet

miny atlantic city. I’m all for that shit.

The stache is back!

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 2, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

It would actually make some sense...

given the ability to lure money out of DC and VA into MD.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

From what I have heard

the National Harbour was initially designed with the idea of installing slots.

The stache is back!

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 2, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Screw the children ... I'm all for sluts at the mall.

Final Thought for the Day: Men are like a fine wine. They start out as
grapes, and it's up to women to stomp the crap out of them until they
turn into something acceptable to have dinner with.

Dave Barry

by timg56 on Nov 2, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pardon the pun?

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh, 98 Rock has had "commercials" saying that on the air the last few days.

I have to admit I laughed.

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The slots issue...

was bullshit from the break. Annapolis said no when Ehrlich floated the trial balloon. O’Malley gets behind it, and all of a sudden Miller and Busch can’t get out behind it fast enough. They structured the bidding in such a fashion it was rigged for Magna to land the contract – and they dropped the ball by going bankrupt.

Then the deal goes to AA County – which annoyed the fuck out of me being from PG County – if there’s going to be vice, put it where you already allow gambling and get jobs in a county that is worse off than many others in the state.

Now the unions are bickering with eachother about it and the progressive groups are finding themselves on the outs with Teachers (which never happens). Stupid stuff.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

"We're going to save the horse racing industry!"

And yet no whiff of a parlor at Pimlico, the one racetrack that most everyone in the state, and some people from out of the state, know about.

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Couple months ago, I drove by Pimlico for the first time ever

I can pretty much guarantee that I’ll never willingly enter that neighborhood again. Yuck.

by PhilR8 on Nov 2, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

They did not get Omar with the AK's....

that’s just a nasty rumor.

Saving Pimlico would require a massive effort by the City and the State – not just slots. They let that neighborhood rot in the early 90s, and here we are.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, but they need to start somewhere.

I don’t imagine slots could make that area any worse. I actually do tend to accept that there’s a certain degenerative effect to the immediate area around legalized gambling (rather than a revitalizing one), but when you’re talking Pimlico, there’s nothing to lose.

Although I was born down the street from Pimlico. Sinai FTW.

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, I'm all for slots at the racetracks...

and a concerted effort on behalf of law enforcement to actually serve its outstanding warrants and for DPW to get on people for code enforcement issues. You know – pipe dreams.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pipe dreams just like eminent domain to seize and bulldoze all the vacants.

There may not be enough gold in Fort Knox for that one.

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's working in Detroit...

so it should work in Baltimore. People get rightfully worried when state actors do this kind of stuff, but we’ve got thousands upon thousands of decrepit buildings that are a public safety risk that should be flattened.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is about as succinct a summation as one could find on the issue

and I can’t find a detail to quibble with.

"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword

by duck on Nov 2, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

If you watch any kind of news it is going to be nothing but 2010 post-mortems for a month. After the holidays we’re on to the 2012 races. It’s the song that doesn’t end.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't watch any kind of news

Except the Daily Show

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same

How sad is it that the best news show in the country is run by a comedian?

by GeoffreyA on Nov 2, 2010 5:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

More like

how sad is it that a comedian’s show is considered by so many to be a news program?

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 2, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's more reliable than anything you see on fox or msnbc

Not sure what else you want in a news show..

by GeoffreyA on Nov 2, 2010 9:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

there are plenty of newpapers that provide reliable reporting

i like jon stewart but he’s nothing more than clever commentary. I don’t see him as someone who does serious, deep, intellectual news analysis.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 2, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

who said anything about newspapers?

They were talking about news TV. Almost nobody does serious, deep, intellectual news analysis on TV.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

geez, ok fine.

I don’t watch it much but Jim Lehrer show is good.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 3, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

did you all find

…your fucking polling places?

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 2, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I fucking did. And I got fucking snacks.

There’s a lot I don’t like about living in rural York County, but the quality and quantity of snacks at my polling place is unmatched. I could have had sandwiches, pizza, or donuts. Not wanting to abuse the system too much, I just had a donut.

by BrianS on Nov 2, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

O'Malley is winning the polls because Maryland has 2:1 Democrats to Republicans

Now, not all of those Democrats are from, as the late Paul Wellstone would say, “the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party,” but it’s a pretty significant advantage. Ehrlich only one the first time because KKT was a thoroughly boring and unexciting candidate. How bad to you have to be as a Kennedy in Maryland and still lose? Pretty bad.

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

That and she picked a doofus of a running mate...

the guy switched parties at the 11th hour. It was a strange year in 2002. Nate Silver has Maryland as a toss-up but still gives O’M a 77% chance of winning the state with the latest polling with a ten point swing.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

MO'M wins easily

It’s MD-01 where all the fireworks will be.

"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword

by duck on Nov 2, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good luck to Kratovil

I hope the Eastern Shore solidarity is enough to give him the bump this time too.

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's all about turnout

The MD DEM Party has spent an unbelieveable amount of money on staffing to for GOTV. We’ll see if it works. They’ve never done anything like this on the Shore.

"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword

by duck on Nov 2, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

The fact that Kratovil...

is even in this race bodes well for Democrats at large. I’m still not convinced that this is going to be a national trouncing. If this was really a true “wave” election you’d see Maryland get redder (as it’s shown it does from time to time) and you’ll see Republicans take the entire Congress.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Polls are pretty bad for a lot of people in a lot of places.

And the only one of them who’s Republican is Christine O’Donnell. All the other crazy ones are winning. I mean, honestly… Rand Paul? Come on, Kentucky. I expect some shit from you, but this is across the line.

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rand Paul makes me sad

Why can’t he just be a younger Ron? Why does he have to have his own stupid opinions?

by PhilR8 on Nov 2, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ron Paul...

isn’t all peaches an sunshine either. They both have some odd stances based “on principle” that I think many people would disagree with.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

not me!

Well, mostly. Much more Ron than Rand, that’s for sure.

by PhilR8 on Nov 2, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I voted for Ron Paul once.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

now we're talking

I actually never have, since I can’t vote in the primaries and he wasn’t on the ballot in 2008.

by PhilR8 on Nov 2, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well

I used to be a registered Republican, and he was on the primary as a Republican in 2008 and the only one I could stomach voting for.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I tend to forget how many of my friends are republicans and really douchey about it

until election days when i see all kinds of snarky facebook status updates.

by kba26 on Nov 2, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heh

I feel like every time an election rolls around I end up hiding more people on Facebook.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, I got hidden two months ago? :)

"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword

by duck on Nov 2, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

You've been hidden since the day we became friends.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Damn, that's cold

But, my kids’ swim practice updates are IMPORTANT!

"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword

by duck on Nov 2, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have no idea what that means.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Improper tense use sunk you

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

*sank you

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 2, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

English is a motherfucker

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're welcome.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 2, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

They’re both whackos.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 2, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

But how many of those seats were true...

Democrat locks before this race? I think that while it is certainly going to be a “good” election for Republicans, a lot of this we could’ve seen coming after the polls closed in 2008.

Wake me up when Senator Barb or Stenny loses a race (or faces a legit challenger). That’s when I’ll be convinced of a Republican wave.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kratovil won as a Dem in an R+13 district in 2008

For him to be even in The Sun poll last week is amazing.

"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword

by duck on Nov 2, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's amazingly boring...

which works in his favor, and I think he’s quite good at striking that reasonable tone with ES voters. Harris to me comes off as shrill and somewhat entitled to the seat being a traditional R district.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I need to live somewhere that being amazingly boring works in my favor.

Then I could run for Congress too.

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Harris bet the ranch on TV ads and phone calls

and has done little, if any, GOTV and actually walking campaigns. If he gets beat, it will be on the ground because, for once, Democrats were smarter in how to run a campaign..

"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword

by duck on Nov 2, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like he didn't want to bother crossing the Chesapeake Bay.

Which I bet he would continue to avoid doing as a congressman as well.

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

We basically don't have a Congressman if he wins

"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword

by duck on Nov 2, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here's hoping you know the difference between "one" and "won"

Otherwise, please refrain from voting.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whenever I'm voting and I don't know the difference

Like, say, for judge of the orphan court or something, I always vote for the lady. Deal with it.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

So THAT'S how Ellen Sauerbrey got all those votes...

"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword

by duck on Nov 2, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

How many times do you think you've accidentally voted for a man with an androgynous name?

Like Ashley. That could be a man!

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

My vote might help make up for all the teasing he took as a child.

And to be fair clear, I only do that for positions like judges and board of education where there is no political party and nobody gives a crap anyway.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trent Kittleman...

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

look at the hands

you can always tell by looking at the hands

by PhilR8 on Nov 2, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am voting for this girl for mosquito control because she looks hot

on her campaign poster. For me that is qualification enough to be on the government dole for a ridiculously irrelevant position.

"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."

by tflach2 on Nov 2, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where do you live that you actually vote for someone for mosquito control?

I want to run for mosquito control. I fucking hate mosquitos.

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Florida, we get to vote for all sorts of crazy crap.

The sample ballot was about the size of a phone book.

"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."

by tflach2 on Nov 2, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would totally vote for you for mosquito control

Even if you were running against the hot lady.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's ok

I know I can’t compete with the hot mosquito control chicks.

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

What I want

is Register of Wills in my county. You make 78 GRAND a year to say, “Yup, that’s a will”, and file it away. Damn, I want that job.

"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword

by duck on Nov 2, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we had a hottie on our ballot

She’d get my vote. Sadly, we just have a bunch of old men.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vote for the candidate with tits.

Now there is a strategy I could be behind.

Final Thought for the Day: Men are like a fine wine. They start out as
grapes, and it's up to women to stomp the crap out of them until they
turn into something acceptable to have dinner with.

Dave Barry

by timg56 on Nov 2, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

So basically you think everyone who worked for

A bank that took bailout money is a fuckup? There are millions of people who worked for a banks that took bailout money. Are all of these people worthless in your eyes? You have fallen for the propaganda my friend. Why do you think those ads don’t say what he did for those banks? It’s because generalizations always look dirtier. I hope when you are old enough to vote that you do your own research and don’t rely on campaign ads to make your decision.

The stache is back!

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 2, 2010 10:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ehrlich won't win...

because he won before as a corporatist establishment Republican in 2002 – not the profile that will GOTV in the Year of the Tea Party. His ties to lobbying in general (despite never being a registered lobbyist himself) taint him with his own base. He picked a dud of a running mate who hasn’t been heard from much on anything.

Also – I haven’t seen the ad BSF mentions, but most of the O’M stuff I have seen has focused on Bob’s tax/fee linguistic gymnastics and cuts to essential services. That and that devilishly evil ad tying Bob to the BP spill.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also

I have not seen either of the ads you mentioned. Only the one BSF mentioned. Weird.

The stache is back!

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 2, 2010 11:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I suppose I was just adding further commentary...

I know you weren’t prognosticating on the outcome, just BSF’s distillery of political advertisements.

I’m in HoCo and we keep getting the ads about how Ehrlich claimed cigarette fee hikes were fees not taxes and also hammering him on cutting monies to higher education.

The radio ad about BP was very well done but wasn’t run much after O’M got flak for it – it tied Ehrlich to the BP spill with some out of context quotes but it made him sound so awful. Very effective though a dirty ad.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

MO'M left out a lot of context on that one

Ehrlich worked for a law firm that did lobbying, and one of their clients was a company tied to the spill, and may have been BP. Bobby Haircut never did any actually lobbying while working for the firm (but did pull down a cool million-plus for whatever he did do), but MO’M’s ad didn’t mention such subtleties, of course.

"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword

by duck on Nov 2, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the best part of the ad...

in a “political” way was the repeating part of Bob chuckling about it being a “very good year” for him personally. It didn’t advance an argument in the cleanest of ways, but it struck the right tone.

I do hope that upon his defeat this year, he and Kendal both go the fuck back to Arbutus and stop bugging me on the radio. It seems so uncouth how she’s on air fearmongering it up for hubby on the radio.

I think I lost all respect for her when she said (without providing names or anything): “I’ve spoken with plenty of business people and they tell me if Bob doesn’t win, we’re firing everyone and moving out of state” (paraphrased, obv).

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bobby goes back on the radio this Saturday if he loses

I’d bet a substantial amount of fake internet money on that.

"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword

by duck on Nov 2, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

And he'll already be running again for 2014

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who knows...

maybe Bob will reinvent himself a TP candidate and hitch his wagon to SP for her 2012 run.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

he said...

he’s done if he loses and i can see that. the gittin we’ll probably never be so good again in his lifetime. mind you, i don’t even think o’malley’s all that good…just a handsome (for a politician) version of glendening. very vanilla, left of center dem.

At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!

-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland

by j.q. higgins on Nov 2, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would really prefer not to talk about where I work on here

Thanks.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

politics!

No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.

by Andrew_G on Nov 2, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

After much consideration....

…I voted to not legalize pot in CA.

I was a yes vote last night, but last-minute research this morning changed my mind. It totally needs to happen, but this is not the right initiative. Too many loopholes.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 2, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Can you provide a synopsis?

I figured there was a catch, as there always is, but I am curious what it was that drove you over the edge.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

mostly advice from the LA times

in their well-crafted editorial.

Such as:

It would permit each of California’s 478 cities and 58 counties to create local regulations regarding the cultivation, possession and distribution of marijuana. In other words, the law could change hundreds of times from county to county. In Los Angeles County alone it could mean 88 different sets of regulations.

and

Far from helping the state’s economic outlook, Proposition 19 could cause substantial harm. For instance, it would put employers in a quandary by creating a protected class of on-the-job smokers, bestowing a legal right to use marijuana at work unless employers could actually prove that it would impair an employee’s job performance. Employers would no longer have the right to screen for marijuana use or discipline a worker for being high. But common sense dictates that a drug-free environment is crucial at too many workplaces to name — schools, hospitals, emergency response and public safety agencies, among others.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 2, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

so,

I still favor legalization. But it needs to be better-thought out than this.

For example, I think companies should retain the right to screen for marijuana, but a positive test alone should only cost you your job in certain workplaces, not all of them. In a job like “accountant”, more of a burden should be laid on the employer to demonstrate poor workplace performance.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 2, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very many thanks...

I had to know it wouldn’t be a simple decriminalization statute. I don’t understand how it wouldn’t just be easier to keep it as a controlled substance (like alcohol), giving employer’s the right to screen for it and terminate for on the job use, but legal for the average joe to grow and smoke in the privacy of his own home.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I definitely disagree that the workplace issue should be a reason to vote against legalization

theres no reason employers shouldnt treat it exactly like alcohol, and i’m not sure why theres anything in the way it was stated that would prevent them from doing so.

The regulation issue though, is a fair one.

by kba26 on Nov 2, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think you're currently allowed to test for alcohol in the workplace

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 2, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I see.

yeah, maybe not everywhere. But with hospitals, schoolbus drivers, etc, I think it’s a good idea. Especially since most schoolbus drivers are potheads.

Which reminds me: the poll workers today? Really not the brightest bulbs on the tree. Our democracy is subject to the whims of $8/hr retirees.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 2, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

But with hospitals, schoolbus drivers, etc, I think it’s a good idea.

And i also think it would be a good idea to give all of them breathylzer tests before they begin work too, but if that isnt allowed then testing for marijuana shouldn’t be either.

Theres also the issue of metabolism rates. As far as i know, they’re arent drug tests that are sensitive enough to tell when someone was high. i don’t think anyone would have a problem with a surgeon unwinding with a glass of wine after work, the same standard should apply for marijuana.

by kba26 on Nov 2, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ehh

Who cares if schoolbus drivers smoke weed on their own time? As long as they aren’t high while they are driving I could care less.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 2, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it depends on the job

Like, I used to work at a place where people drove forklifts, and the random drug testing definitely screened for alcohol.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup...

more importantly, a drug test isn’t even required in most states, so long as you can prove the person was using/drinking on the job and in an impaired state, they can be terminated with cause.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on the work place.

Having worked at nuclear generating plants, I know an employer can require random testing.

In other work environments testing requires cause (i.e. record of poor performance, behavior that could be the result of alcohol use, an accident).

Final Thought for the Day: Men are like a fine wine. They start out as
grapes, and it's up to women to stomp the crap out of them until they
turn into something acceptable to have dinner with.

Dave Barry

by timg56 on Nov 2, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I was an employer

I thought I could fire anybody for any reason at all. Isn’t that what at-will employment is?

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Nov 2, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I mean is,

if your place doesn’t want stoners smoking, it can a. not hire them and b. if they are caught smoking, they can come up with a different reason to fire them.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Nov 2, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Assuming theres no employment contract

and the employee in question is part of a protected class

by kba26 on Nov 2, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

depends on the state

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 2, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

For instance, it would put employers in a quandary by creating a protected class of on-the-job smokers, bestowing a legal right to use marijuana at work unless employers could actually prove that it would impair an employee’s job performance.

I don’t think anybody can smoke inside anywhere in CA, but maybe the regulations only applies to tobacco. I don’t know. I can’t imagine that loophole not being closed immediately particularly in CA. In any case, this doesn’t bother me too much. I’m very skeptical of individuals smoking pot at work because of legalization. The fact that employees can’t enforce it IS troubling but workers could be disciplined on other grounds, namely non-production. Frankly, if a person can be highly productive at work while HIGH, I don’t have a problem with it. In the end, that’s what matters. Can you do your job effectively. If you can’t it, an employer shouldn’t have to rely pot (or alcohol) legislation to enforce productivity because there are already employers rights in place to fire incompetence.

And as a minor non-sequitur, I suspect sites like camdenchat are far more destructive toward worker productivity than pot.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 2, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frankly, if a person can be highly productive at work while HIGH, I don’t have a problem with it. In the end, that’s what matters. Can you do your job effectively. If you can’t it, an employer shouldn’t have to rely pot (or alcohol) legislation to enforce productivity because there are already employers rights in place to fire incompetence.

Agree 100%!

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 2, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey, z

if this is passed, you couldn’t smoke at a California ballpark, could you? Technically, that is.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Nov 2, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

not weed, no.

as written, the proposition prevents consumption in a public place. at least, that’s how I read it.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 2, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get that argument about employers.

A friend used that as the reason he was voting against it yesterday. What’s the difference between weed and alcohol if it passes? All employers have policies against alcohol use on the job. I don’t see why it would be any different. There are almost no jobs where I care whether somebody smokes weed on their own time (maybe surgeon or pilot) – just like there are almost no jobs where I care if somebody drinks alcohol on their own time. As long as they don’t smoke on the job who cares?

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 2, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not even a

Registered Dem or Rep. I just want to see Dems keep control to see Fox News people to cry on tv. Wrong? Oh well :-/

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by Michael18 on Nov 2, 2010 11:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Non-sequitur

I had to kill half an hour late last night, and so I made this and posted it in Monday’s open thread—where it will never be seen again. I hope you enjoy.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 2, 2010 11:35 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

haha I saw it there

and enjoyed it.

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by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

it took me a while to find an appropriate orange-and-black cat.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 2, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

remember the cat thread from a few years ago?

that was fun.

alas, my featured cat in that thread has passed on to the catnip field in the sky…..

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 5, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

CS3

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 2, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

ditto this

it’s not really Photoshop.

I mean, it bears its name, but it’s basically Photoshop LE with new branding.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 2, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

aww

cute kitty. Looks similar to one of our pigs:

by PhilR8 on Nov 2, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I iz on ur computr, tendin ur grden in farmil.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 2, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

*farmvil

shit.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 2, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

to be fair

I bet Guinea pigs have trouble with typing also.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

we decided on

play him off, keyboard pig!

by PhilR8 on Nov 2, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

ahahah

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by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

yay. i just discovered a new meme.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 2, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question of the Day

I am definitely disappointed in Matt Wieters this year, but going forward I would still rather have him than Buster Posey. For one thing, Wieters has always been considered a much better talent than Posey (although Posey is awesome in his own right), and not even a full season of good performance is any indication that Posey will continue to outperform Wieters (see Reimold, Nolan).

Additionally, I think Matt Wieters has a lot more to deal with than Buster Posey. Posey spent the first part of his season playing first base, not catching. He didn’t have all of the responsibilities of a catcher and could focus on his hitting. Wieters never had that luxury. Also, Wieters didn’t have the luxury of learning to hit major league pitching in the National League West, which houses pitchers like Rodrigo Lopez for crying out loud.

When Posey did begin catching, his pitching staff was young, of course, but included a guy who already has two Cy Youngs, guys like Cain and Sanchez who have been pitching in the majors for years, and the like. Matt Wieters handled a staff that got 98 starts from pitchers with less than two years experience and had to know about hitters in the AL East, not the NL West.

None of that stuff takes away from how sad Matt has made me so far. He has been a disappointment. But I’ve said multiple times and I really believe it that 2011 will tell us who Matt Wieters is.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn't do it if I were the Giants.

Even if Wieters was better, I’m not sure if it would be worth it. Instead of adding a piece they didn’t have, they’d just be upgrading one (assuming Wieters becomes better), potentially at the cost of a higher salary. Plus, maybe it’s just me, but fan attachment to Posey should count for something.

I’m probably just looking to deeply into a simple hypothetical situation, though.

by ahoque24 on Nov 2, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, 2011 is going to be a crucial season for Wieters.

Will he be excellent at defense but have an average bat? Or will he blossom offensively and be the star everyone thought he could be?

by ahoque24 on Nov 2, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm looking forward to seeing...

…the absence of the terry crowley effect

Or in excel formatting,

(the terry crowley effect)

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 2, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had a feeling you'd be all up in there

No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.

by Andrew_G on Nov 2, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd take Wieters by a hair

In the long run, I don’t think there will be a huge difference. I think Wieters is better than what he’s shown while Posey is playing way over his head. Wieters will have slightly more power than Posey so I’ll take our boy.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 2, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm happy with Wieters

Not delerious, mind you, but it is one position on the field that we don’t need to fill. Our infield is a mess, but our outfield is good (not great) and our starting pitching looks pretty good right now, too. Think about how our infield stacks up against our direct competition, though. It’s scary bad.

by fuddnelson on Nov 2, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am hoping that Wieters will take off this year.

Do we know what MW is doing this off-season? I was pleased to see that Matusz and Tillman are going to an Athlete’s Performance facility. I would love to see Wieters join them.

by BaltoBen on Nov 2, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll still take Wieters over Posey.

Regardless of his performance at the plate so far, I think Wieters has a higher ceiling than Posey. And I still believe in Switch-Hitting Jesus, so I do think he will start showing why there was so much hype. They’re both good at the defensive side. Wieters might be a little better at defense right now, but Posey was just a rookie, so he’ll probably get better at that. So, yeah, I do think Wieters will still be great, maybe even the best catcher in the league.

A side note, though. The influx of catchers that have succeeded has pissed me off, in a petty way. Besides Posey, there’s Carlos Santana, and I heard that some bastard team in New York has a catcher who’s actually named Jesus (but he sucks at defense, so he’ll probably be moved).

by ahoque24 on Nov 2, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll be the contrarian

I’d take Posey over Wieters in a straight-up trade today. I don’t think you can just say Wieters had to learn a weak pitching staff but Posey got an already good pitching staff so the learning curve is lessened?

I think it’s possible the coaching Wieters got was to emphasize his handling the pitchers, which seems crazy since he obviously needs to balance out his focus to his swing. And while the NL West does have Roddy Lopez, it also had Matt Latos and Ubaldo Jiminez and Dan Haren for a while and so on.

Bottom line: Wieters ceiling is higher, but hey, Adam Loewen’s ceiling as a pitcher was a lot higher than Brad Bergesen’s is.

No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.

by Andrew_G on Nov 2, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing for me with Posey

Is that it’s 400 at-bats. If he and Wieters had the same amount of service time right now and the Posey’s numbers were the same, that to me would be totally different. I just have a hard time choosing Posey based on 100 games.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those are good points.

Yeah, just because Wieters’s ceiling is higher doesn’t mean he’ll actually be better. I wonder, though, what is it about MLB pitching that’s getting him? Chris Tillman dominates the minors but we’ve yet to see if he can do the same in the majors. With him, though, I think it’s easier to pinpoint. He’s control has been off at times, and his stuff might be a bit lacking, in that his fastball is entirely straight. I have know idea why Wieters just hasn’t been able to hit well in the majors, though.

And way to remind me of the last batch of Orioles pitching prospects. I’m going to go cry in a corner, now.

by ahoque24 on Nov 2, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

No more Hendrickson according to Britt...

Orioles officially decline Mark Hendrickson’s option.

by mlb32001 on Nov 2, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

i am shocked and outraged

No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.

by Andrew_G on Nov 2, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh nooooo

Our basketball team just got that much worse!

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was about to say,

“Remember when we thought re-signing him was a good idea?”

But I looked him up to see if FanGraphs thought he was worth the money… and was surprised to see that Hendo had a 4.09 FIP despite the 5.26 ERA. A .359 BABiP will do that.

I’m ambivalent about declining the option, but I didn’t realize he’d been so unlucky.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 2, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea...its really unlucky that he groves pitches

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grooves**

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, I hear you.

Not trying to say that he didn’t leave a lot of pitches over the plate, just that his peripherals were a lot stronger than I expected.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 2, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's true, but a 4.09 ERA reliever doesn't excite me much.

But I’m all for giving him a cheap minor league deal.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 2, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why supreme court lifetime appointments are a bad idea:
Justice Elena Kagan at one point asked California if “Mortal Kombat” would be banned under California’s law. “Half of the clerks [in the Court] have spent a considerable amount of time playing it,” she said.

“I don’t know what she’s talking about,” Scalia quipped.

by kba26 on Nov 2, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

fatality!

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, on this.

Why exactly are so many people against banning sales of violent (or otherwise questionable) games to minors? I’ve never understood why there are court cases and such about this, considering that we rate movies and have the “no kids without an adult” R rating. I get why the industry would prefer a lack of controls, but it seems like a lot of individuals are against them, too…

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 2, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

(Or is it just that, on the internet, you can’t always tell when those complaining are just whiny 13-year-olds? :P)

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 2, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, the movie ratings ARE an industry control

theres no legal force to them whatsoever. Everyone just goes along with the system.

by kba26 on Nov 2, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it a different situation for games?

I play enough that I should probably know this, but…

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 2, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bah, I need to think before posting.

So the issue is that states are passing laws regulating game sales, but no laws were ever passed for movies?

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 2, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think any laws have ever been passed for games or movies

and that any current system is voluntarily imposed by the industry, and anyone who goes along with it just does so to make the MPAA et al happy. Now California is trying to regulate game sales, which may or may not be constitutional.

by kba26 on Nov 2, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct...

the ESRB functions in the same way that the MPAA self-rates movies.

There are serious holes in California’s logic (not surprising, I know), especially considering nobody has taken this kind of thing to the SC before. Jack Valenti hammered shit out before it was even legislated on for the film industry, and the gaming industry thought it would follow in it’s model.

Unfortunately this is the kind of pet issue that is popular with nanny-staters and God-squaders. Hidey Ho Neighborino!

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hm.

Various areas have been passing, or trying to pass, laws about game sales for years, I think. I wonder what makes the situations different… is it that there’s just not as much gnashing of teeth over kids getting into R-rated movies (because we all know video games are an evil new medium), or that game retailers are significantly more lax about enforcing ESRB guidelines than theaters are about ratings…?

I’m not sure how it’s even potentially unconstitutional, though. I don’t get how the right to free speech applies at all.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 2, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one's proposing that games not be sold at all,

just that minors not be allowed to purchase them, right? So why

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 2, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bah.

“So why is there a free speech issue?”

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 2, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because your restricting the sale of speech to a group of people

it doesnt have to be a total ban to be subject to first amendment restrictions

by kba26 on Nov 2, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, by the same logic,

do moviemakers have a right to sell their products to people of all ages? And I guess porn is in some unique exception category by itself (since I think it’s been considered “speech” in some cases, but is still regulated, at least in theory)?

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 2, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'd say so

I think there may be an argument for restrictions in the most egregious cases, incredibly violent content to very young children, but its a hard argument to make.

by kba26 on Nov 2, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes...

as was mentioned above – the MPAA self-polices. The theatres are of not commiting a crime to knowingly sell tickets to MP-17 and R movies to children under age. Their issue comes from the MPAA who I believes requires that theatres agree to enforce the policy with the threat of having their ability to screen MPAA films revoked.

Pornography is a special case and I believe that the Court did an ass-awful job of interpreting the first amendment when ruling that states could ban the sale of obscene materials to children, with that perfectly clear standard being: you know obscene when you see it.

I still think that this is going to go down in favor of the gaming industry. While the Court under Roberts has made some…interesting…decisions, I don’t think even moral crusaders like Scalia and Thomas will be able to uphold a law that is this clearly an infringment on first amendment rights.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

And yes, porn is a special category

basically to uphold the California law, you’d have to expand the Miller defnition of obscenity beyond sexual conduct to include acts of violence. I don’t see that happening.

by kba26 on Nov 2, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right.

Thanks, both of you, for the clarification. I guess that, based on current law and precedent, it’s hard to argue that it’s constitutional — so the only way to regulate game sales is for the ESRB to take a more stern approach to retail stores who sell M-rated games to minors. I don’t think they have the power within the industry to do that, though.

I’m guessing I don’t want to get into a debate about incorporation of the Fourteenth Amendment here, huh? :P

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 2, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you specifically referencing...

the Incorporation Clause of the 14th or the ratification of the whole Amendment?

I don’t think you want to touch the Amdendment that reversed Dredd Scott and provided us Due Process (both substantive and procedural rights) even if it gave us the whole idea of corporate personhood.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Incorporation is a philosophy or trend, not a clause, isn't it?

Obviously, something had to be done about Dred Scott. But in short, no, I don’t like substantive due process, and I think that incorporation of the 14th has taken too many powers away from states and localities.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 2, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Incorporation in the 14th specifically..

refers to the adoption (extension) of the Bill of Rights to the States, which wasn’t exactly the case before that. Whether or not it is considered a “clause”, I’m not sure.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

there have been many, many laws passed restricting and censoring movies.

most of them were local, and I think all are long since gone. But for most of the last century, there were many state and local ordinances on the books; just no federal ones.

Maryland had a censor board well into the 1980s.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 2, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you want the petitioner's argument?

A few studies seem to indicate that playing violent videogames is predictive of future violence.

The respondant’s argument is: we have our own studies. And the first motherfucking amdendment.

My opinion = a bigger predictor of future violence is poverty and single parenthood. Should we get into determining who should and should not make teh babiez?

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Solution:

Poor kids with shitty parents should not be allowed to play video games.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Nov 2, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally I think bans of this sort are just another example of the nanny state ...

… trying to exert control. It’s a poor replacement for parents exercising control.

Final Thought for the Day: Men are like a fine wine. They start out as
grapes, and it's up to women to stomp the crap out of them until they
turn into something acceptable to have dinner with.

Dave Barry

by timg56 on Nov 2, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

what the hell?

so it’s a cliché. so what? you’d prefer “protectionist state” or “regulatory state?”

He’s expressing an opinion. I think he’s entitled to express it the way he wants to. “nanny state” isn’t exactly a hyperbolic term.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Nov 2, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cliche or not

it’s pretty much the definition of “nanny state”.

The stache is back!

by Knubles and Bits on Nov 2, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm conflicted on this one.

I generally agree with you, in that I dislike the state legislating things like this when Mom and Dad just need to take the game back to the store. (Of course, that would require retailers to accept returns of opened games, which is another can of worms.)

At the same time, though, I think local communities should be able to ban sales of things they don’t want in their towns. Which I understand is difficult at best, thanks to incorporation of the fourteenth amendment.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 2, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, voting is awesome.

Had a line in the polling place even around noon. I think there had been about 1000 people already having voted in the precinct by then. Love seeing a good turnout – although still not nearly as many people as I saw in there in 2008.

I voted against a constitutional convention. I’m curious how that one turns out. Of course, if the voters ask for a constitutional convention I’d probably run for convention delegate… heh.

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't forget there was early voting this year

That might affect the turnout. Plus the presidential election is always bigger. I voted at 7 a.m. in 2008 and the line was around the building. I’ll be going after work this time, though.

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted for it

My mom had no opinion, so I picked it, and chose yes.

"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese

This represents everything I hate about the Yankees.

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 2, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I figure there's no sense rewriting something that's working fine already

I wouldn’t want anybody to rewrite the federal constitution. That would be a fucking mess. There are things in there that have led to legal opinions that I dislike (e.g. Citizens United), but at least the constitution is something that’s somewhat time-tested and everybody’s in agreement that those are the rules of the game. There’s a lot invested in using more or less the same document drawn up in 1789 (having excised the stuff that allowed slavery).

Now, there’s not quite the same emotional impact for the Maryland constitution, having only been written in 1867, and being one of multiple constitutions that the state has had since its existence. But I feel like there’s things enshrined there that should stay enshrined there and not be subject to the whims of a modern convention where stuff might get left out. The amendment process isn’t cumbersome, and in this day and age I don’t feel confident that actual, normal citizens would be involved in writing the new constitution – it would in all likelihood be a special interest-dominated endeavor, or at least a political hack-dominated endeavor (in all likelihood most/all of the delegates being either people who are already serving on central committees or those closely tied to people already serving on central committees).

Plus, Maryland isn’t a state with a fucked up state-level government (although it is a little weird that the governor of MD has direct at-will power to hire and fire more people than the President of the United States does), but it’s still better than somewhere with a crazy state government like California or Texas.

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

To me...

a Constitutional Convention seems pointless, but this article from the WaPo makes some interesting points about it’s origins and current issues. I’d like to see Gubernatorial power scaled back a bit, but I think that we might as well keep the current document and keep changing things through the amendment process.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah - we could stand to scale back the governor's power, particularly in the budget process.

If there were going to be a ground-up rewrite, it probably needs to fix how Baltimore operates as well (Baltimore being generally governed through the state apparatus).

On the whole, though, I don’t think it’s worth throwing it all out.

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The budget process is different...

but I do think it allows for a more accurate comparison of potential executive candidates. Nerfing the legislature is not the way to keep things in check, however.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken

by TerroristFistJab on Nov 2, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish I shared your confidence that this were the case:
everybody’s in agreement that those are the rules of the game

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 2, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, the text is there and we argue over what it means.

You think we’ll ever get agreement on NEW text? That’s the kind of stuff that will cause really harsh divisions, moreso than already exist – because the side that’s in power will be crafting language in accordance with their own philosophy, which is probably widely divergent from the other side’s view of what things ought to be. On a federal level, that would be a disaster.

With respect to the state constitution, I don’t believe things are quite so polarized, but still, it’s a can of worms I don’t think should be opened except in the most dire of situations.

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I'm not arguing for another Constitutional Convention by any means.

I was referring more to the attitude of many national politicians on both sides of the aisle, for whom the nation’s supreme law seems to be little more than an obstacle to be worked around.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 2, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't believe its only 215 right now

Feels like I’ve been here forever.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

You what's the best thing about the elections almost being over?

Is all fucking emails asking me to donate, canvass, and phone bank will finally fucking stop. 3-5 emails per fucking DAY from Organizing for America for the last month. Whoever is their communications director should be fired.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 2, 2010 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I am came really close to unsubscribing from OFA.

and then resubscribing after the election. But OFA sends out announcements about rallies that I might want to attend. Unfortunately, as far as I know at least, I can’t request to receive emails only about rallies and opt out of donations.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 2, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to be a downer, but look at this tweet from Dan Connolly
#Orioles A pretty interesting development on Showalter’s staff. Former interim manager Juan Samuel likely returning as third base coach

You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990

by Stacey on Nov 2, 2010 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

that's.....interesting

No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.

by Andrew_G on Nov 2, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Windmill's spirit still haunts the third base coaches box.

It might as well be the Windmill himself who is the one there whirling away.

At least the Crow is gone from the coaching staff.

America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow

by Eat More Esskay on Nov 2, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

MacPhail and Petey probably put a strong push on Buck to hire the windmill.

Or there’s some back room dealings between Buck and the higher ups.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 2, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

the merit of

being generally likable, able to speak spanish, and familiar with the Orioles?

Was he bad at his job? I don’t know. The infielders have been a pretty miserable defensive group, though the talent on the field hasn’t been very sharp. Certainly Tejada and Wigginton did better jobs than I expected out of them in 2010. So, as an infield coach, I’m going with “No idea”, and as a third base coach I’m going with “Kill’em all and let God sort’em out”

No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.

by Andrew_G on Nov 2, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm half joking

I do think the windmill is a bit too aggressive in sending base runners to home but that doesn’t make him bad at his job since 3rd base coach includes a lot of things that we don’t see. So was he was bad as his job? I’m not sure either.

Your mother.

by birdman on Nov 2, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT: Why is it that every time the McRib comes out

of retirement, the media goes fucking crazy? That sandwich is the Brett Favre of Fast Food fare.

"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."

by tflach2 on Nov 2, 2010 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

At least the shamrock shake has a purpose (mocking the Irish I suppose)...

The McRib does nothing but clog arteries and smell bad.

"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."

by tflach2 on Nov 2, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crazy fools, the Irish

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The McRib is so gross

and for some reason, its still popular.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think if they left it on the menu for any more than a couple of weeks

people would realize that they are eating food that is shaped to look like ribs, but it is in fact apple cores and old Chinese newspapers ground up and smothered in barbeque sauce.

"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."

by tflach2 on Nov 2, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always hate stuff shaped like ribs.

Compressed garbage. That said, I’m super hungry right now.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess we all have our guilty pleasures...

I, for one, like ‘Wild, Wild West’, no matter how much everyone tells me that movie sucks.

"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."

by tflach2 on Nov 2, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had a lot of Filipino friends growing up, and I knew they all loved it

and said it was definitely a cultural thing. I didn’t know it went beyond the Phillipines though.

by kba26 on Nov 2, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hawaiians like spam too.

Gross.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should move to Hawai'i then...

you’ll be knee-deep in Spam.

"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."

by tflach2 on Nov 2, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure that is one of the ingredients in the McRib....

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's libel...

Expect to hear from Mr. Kroc’s crack team of lawyers. I will have you know that the McRib sandwich has always tested well within the approved levels for fecal matter!

Signed,

McRib Fanboy

"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."

by tflach2 on Nov 2, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder what happens if you leave a McRib out for like 6 months.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

You get the cure for cancer I think...

But you have to ignore its siren song everyday, so far this has never been acheived.

"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."

by tflach2 on Nov 2, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

wasn't expecting such good answers to my question!

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brett Farve retires

"If people don't want to come out to the ballpark, how are you going to stop them?" Yogi Berra

by MudDawg on Nov 2, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saddam Hussein comes out of his cave and offers peace.

"If people don't want to come out to the ballpark, how are you going to stop them?" Yogi Berra

by MudDawg on Nov 2, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

o wait he is dead

"If people don't want to come out to the ballpark, how are you going to stop them?" Yogi Berra

by MudDawg on Nov 2, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awww WW had a baby!

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 6:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Mazel Tov WW

Where’d you hear that?

"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese

This represents everything I hate about the Yankees.

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 2, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sensed a change in the Force

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Nov 2, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

As though

one voice was silent, and then suddenly cried out in pain from a sore bottom.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Nov 2, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Reskins worked out JaMarcus Russell today

Just had to get that out to someone.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Nov 2, 2010 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

fuck off Giants fan!

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Nov 2, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will fuck on

on you’re just gonna have to deal with it.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Nov 3, 2010 6:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

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