Tuesday Bird Droppings
by duck on Nov 23, 2010 7:02 AM EST
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PrintQuestion of the Day: It's MVP season, with Joey Votto rightly winning the NL prize yesterday and most likely Josh Hamilton getting another ginger ale shower this afternoon. Much has been made over the years about the most "valuable" player not necessarily being the "best" player due to team performance. What say you on the subject? -Andrew
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All right, listen up. You people will not die on me in combat. You ... new guys will do everything you can to prove me wrong. You'll walk on trails, kick cans, sleep on guard, smoke dope and diddely-bop through the bush like you were back on the Open Thread.
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Reading a really good book right now about the German occupied island of Guernsey during WWII
The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society. It’s really intriguing and I recommend it.
Where are my shoelaces?
But you don't have to take MY word for it...
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
My wife read that and loved it
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
by NewYorkOriole on Nov 23, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I think MVP should go to the guy with the best numbers
I don’t like the argument that player x was more valuable to his team than player y was to his team because everyone on player x’s team sucked, and I don’t like the argument that the MVP should go towards a player on a contending team.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I really dislike the word "valuable" in there.
Doesn’t it imply “best bargain”?
That said, I agree with you — anything about the player’s team should only come in as a tiebreaker.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Hey Phil Rate
Stick to what you know, which is nothing.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Hey, I was wondering...
if you read PhilR8 as “Phil Rate”, do you read my name as “Dave hate 73”?
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
No
I read your name as dave h 8 seventy 3.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I read YOUR name
as S tack eee
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
It's pronounced dave h eight seven three
you can also call me “ocho siete tres”, which will soon be my legal last name.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Dav, eh! Hate '73.
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Nov 23, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Eh, Steve!
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
by NewYorkOriole on Nov 23, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
I guess it would be more practical to replace MVP with highest WAR
But the most important part of the game is winning. Invariably there are leaders in every sport throughout history who are better at making their teams win. Recognizing those players is hard to quantify but worthwhile.
(shit. that probably reads – intangibles. blah blah. jeter blah.)
the orioles NEED to sign Derek Jeter
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
the Orioles NEED to sign kba to play 3B
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
the Orioles NEED to sign the fence for third baseman.
There is nothing to top that.
Property of Baltimore Warrior (I lost a bet.)
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 23, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
The Orioles NEED to sign YOU to play 3B
"If people don't want to come out to the ballpark, how are you going to stop them?" Yogi Berra
I played some in Little league
i rarely struck out looking, and I don’t make super dumb-ass base running moves. So I’d work.
Property of Baltimore Warrior (I lost a bet.)
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 23, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
at the major league level
I’m sure you would make super dumb-ass base running moves.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Nov 23, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
You play 3B and i will play SS
I hit bout 300 with 7-10 homers. With 3-10 errors a year. Oh and im quick
"If people don't want to come out to the ballpark, how are you going to stop them?" Yogi Berra
We will shift you to 1B that way you don't have to throw.
"If people don't want to come out to the ballpark, how are you going to stop them?" Yogi Berra
Just found this cool arbitration tracker on MLBTR
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/freeagentarboffers
You can sort by name, team, A or B, offered and accepted, and you can filter your results. Kudos to MLBTR.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Cool.
Hey Jetes: “No arbitration for you!”
by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 23, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Ahhh, Jeter.
Get the popcorn….
Cashman’s statements came a day after The New York Daily News published an article quoting Jeter’s agent, Casey Close, as saying that the Yankees’ current negotiating strategy was "baffling" because it refused to acknowledge "Derek’s total contribution to their franchise."
In response, Cashman said on Monday that there "is nothing baffling about our position here."
"We have been very honest and direct with them — meaning Derek and Casey," he said. "We have told them directly, face to face, how we came up with our offer, and we have made it clear to them that our primary focus is his on-the-field performance.
…"It’s a player negotiation," Levine said. "Everything he is and who he is gets factored in. But this isn’t a licensing deal or a commercial rights deal. He’s a baseball player.""
So I guess the Yankees are not considering Derek’s off-the-charts intangibles rating?
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Hate to say this...
but the Yankees are playing this exactly as they should. Good for them.
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
and the yanks aren't offering arbitration
i must say cashman is earning mad props from me.
Your mother.
Wait a minute...
Goddamnit. Why did I have to look at that site? Now reporting V-mart rejects 4/48 from the O’s, 3/48 from White Sox (jesus!) in favor of 4/50 from Detroit.
by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 23, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Victor Martinez close to signing with the Tigers for 4 years, $50M
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/11/tigers-close-to-deal-with-victor-martinez.html
The Tigers are close to a deal with catcher Victor Martinez on a four-year, $50MM deal, reports Ignacio Serrano of El Nacional (link in Spanish). Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets to confirm the report. Serrano says Martinez accepted the Tigers’ offer, and there will be a deal barring an unforeseen event.
According to Serrano, Martinez turned down a four-year, $48MM offer from the Orioles and a three-year, $48MM offer from the White Sox.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
that's both too bad and kind of a relief
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
And
you know, the universe makes sense yet again. You can choose between Baltimore and Detriot or similar money. We’d probably have had to offer something ridic like 4/$64 to entice him here.
So…next 1B target? Dunn? D. Lee? Konerko (shudders)?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
The part that sucks is this:
“If the Tigers stick with their plan of using Alex Avila often at catcher, Martinez could see most of his time as a designated hitter and backup first baseman.” So he wasn’t insisting on catching afterall? I wanted to think that’s the reason Baltimore would be less attractive. Alas, it turns out that it’s not that…it’s just…us.
by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 23, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
the first step is acceptance
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Holy crap, I'm shocked.
The Tigers are paying $12.25M for a DH/back up 1B? Absolutely crazy. When I heard about the deal on the radio this morning, I thought for sure he was being signed as a catcher. He definitely got way more than I thought. I thought fore sure Andrew was going to make me eat crow this morning!
Your mother.
not like I'm not wrong about a billion things on a daily basis
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Seems like we could have ponied up another 2 million...
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Nov 23, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
He wouldn't have come here for another $2M
It would have taken more than that.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Yeah, and you gotta think we were close enough
that if he had any actual interest in playing here he would have counter-offered something.
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Nov 23, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
It's like Andrew says, the O's are gonna have to pay more for the same to get players to come here
It’s the double whammy of playing for a losing team and having to play against the best teams in baseball. I think it’d be worth it to overpay a guy like Crawford to come here (because you’re going to have to overpay someone or else get damn good without any premier FAs), but Martinez isn’t worth it.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Just fucking get Dunn
younger, better, and plays more than VMart.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I love this meme.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Nov 23, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
get emmmmmmmmmmmmmm
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
That's kinda how I feel
It would have been exciting as hell if the Orioles had finally signed a biggish FA for multiple years.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I've read that VMart has long preferred stability more than most
so, more years would definitely appeal to a guy like that.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
That can't be right
I’m sure there is something that we are missing.
Librarians are hiding something
Why?
As a catcher, Martinez is a great hitter. As a first baseman, slight above league average? The 31 year old Victor Jesus Martinez has a career OPS+ of 121 (838 OPS). The major league OPS for first basemen was 800 in 2010. In 2009 it was 845. In 2008 it was 816.
I continue to be disappointed in MacPhail overall since the Bedard deal. Martinez would’ve cost the Orioles second round pick, and while he is good, he is not a game changer (i.e., like future Oriole Cliff Lee). Add in the fact that he is a 32 year old catcher, and really the only question I have is when will this deal be a bad one, 2013 or 2014?
Librarians are hiding something
wait, so are you pleased or angry that we didn't sign VMart?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Yankee-loving girlfriend's reaction to the VMart news
“so they can inexplicably underperform again?”
zing!
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I hope he loses his license for this:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AmLSEYWG5AEbPoxR8Nv1rzo5nYcB?slug=ap-boras-loans
Boras is a pig.
Where are my shoelaces?
another take from someone I respect more than yahoo sports (no offense intended, Scott Brown and Jeff Passan!)
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
oh, it's really more of a statement of how much I like Craig's writing is all
and he was a lawyer in another life, so his viewpoint carries some weight in matters legal and ethical (ethical lawyer joke)
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
(frivolous lawsuit joke)
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
(obligatory Shakespeare quote)
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
(obligatory assertion that the line was actually written by Edward de Vere, the 17th Earl of Oxford)
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
nicely played
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
Nishioka
Since the posting window closes today, any predictions how much the winning bid is for, and which team? I’ll go with Mariners and $12M.
Librarians are hiding something
that would be ridic
I’ll guess the Twins and 5 million, but I have no basis for that whatsoever.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I think the Orioles are gonna get him.
$3.5M
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Ridiculous indeed
I have no way of actually knowing how this process works. What was ridiculous was the $51,111,111.11 fee the Sox paid to negotiate with Dice-K.
Librarians are hiding something
oh yes. But I have to think teams learned from that disaster
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I think the jury is still out on that one
The A’s paid Iwakuma the posting fee of $17M and he wants Zito money! I had to laugh at that. Figuring out that market is pretty intriguing. It seems like the posting fees for Ichiro! weren’t bad and Iwamura too (the guy the Rays signed).
I hope Stacey is right on both counts. I’m not sure where the line is of when this would become a bad deal, though.
Librarians are hiding something
The Sun's article about Martinez is up on their sports section
with a picture of Adrian Beltre. FACEPALM
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Nice.
This gem at the end: “With him apparently off the board, the Orioles will turn their attention to other free agent first baseman. Former Tampa Bay Ray Carlos Pena, according to several sources, is one of their top choices.”
I’m starting to not feel so well…
by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 23, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Can anybody convince me why Pena would be a better option than Dunn?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I can try
Pena:
- won’t cost a draft pick
- is familiar with what some in baseball call a glove
- may settle for a 1 year deal, allowing team to pursue Fielder next year
- given low BABIP is a candidate for a bounce back year, though LD% is concerning
- 33 year old Pena v 31 year old Dunn, 10 point gap in career OPS+
- likely won’t sign a contract the signing team won’t regret in 3 years
Librarians are hiding something
- draft pick I agree with
- glove I’m not as sure about (Dunn -3.3 UZR/150 v. Pena -3.7 UZR/150 for 2010 – yes I’m actually quoting UZR and I know it’s only a year, but I’m just saying it’s not obvious that Pena is substantially better)
-1 year deal – I’d rather have Dunn for 4 years than Pena for 1 and Fielder for 5
- bounceback to what? he’s only had 2 years in his whole career of 130+ OPS as opposed to Dunn’s 8
- isn’t that 33 v 31 age and 10 point gap in career OPS+ clearly an argument against Pena rather than for him?
- I don’t get the last point. Is that because you’re saying he’s willing to sign a 1 year deal? If he plays like he did this year I think most teams would regret the signing 1 year or 3 years from now.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
More seriously
the last three years, Adam Dunn’s averaged WAR has been: 1.6, 1.05, and 3.75 in the NL only
Pena over the same time period in the AL only: 3.45, 2.3, 1.05
You can definitely read that as Pena declining steadily and severely (although it looks much more like a one year drop-off to me, and a lot of Pena’s lost value is in his BABiP, for what its worth), or you can read it as these guys being a lot closer (in general) than initially assumed.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I think those are entirely misleading
He played 141 and 84 games in the OF the two years where his WAR was low.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
a terrific point that I of course missed.
so I’ll just stick with weighted runs created from fangraphs (as it is my preferred offensive statistic).
Last three years: 133, 144, 139. That’s for Dunn. For Pena its 134, 133, and 106. Which again, to my mind makes it look like a one-year drop-off that has a lot to do with BABiP, and makes them look somewhat closer than initially thought. Dunn is obviously better. No argument there. But Pena might be the better value in 2011.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Oh it’s certainly true that Pena might be a better value for 2011 alone, but if we’re just talking about a stop-gap for 2011 I’m not sure I even care that much. I want Dunn for a cleanup hitter for the next 4 years.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
he is certainly the only guy on the first base market I'd offer years to
there are a lot of caveats to that though, and most of them involve the dreaded “designated hitter”.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
i have a slight preference for pena over
cost being equal. pena will age better and i think he’ll bounce back nicely.
Your mother.
Will he really age better even with a 2 year head start?
So will a 35 year old Pena be better than a 33 year old Dunn? That seems highly unlikely to me.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
yes, because dunn could fall off a cliff any minute
classic old player skills, big bodied player with power and patience but low average.
Your mother.
like Carlos Pena?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I think you are confused
Pena last hit above .250 in 2007
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Huh??
Pena has a lower career average than Dunn.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
also, i thought having a big body was part of old players skills
but i’m not 100% about that. i’m trying to find bill james’ original take.
Your mother.
People always say this
but wasn’t Dunn one of the most sought after college football QB recruits with that same big body? He’s not Ryan Howard or Prince Fielder. He’s a freak athlete.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I would lock Dunn up for 3-4 years in a heatbeat.
He is going to hit 40 homeruns a year forever. FOREVER!
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Nov 23, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
well, let's not go nuts
he’s a three true outcomes slugger. Those guys typically do not age particularly gracefully. And he has no defensive value, so when he stops hitting he’ll be done (no pun intended)
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I get that that's the typical path for 3 outcome guys
but my point is that he is not your typical fat unathletic 3 outcome slugger. The old-player skills argument is that their skills will deteriorate basically because their bodies and athleticism suck. I don’t think that’s the case with Dunn.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
playing QB and all,
i don’t get the sense that dunn is terribly “athletic”. from what i hear from nats fan, dunn moves around 1B relatively well, but he his hand/eye coordination is terrible as he frequently boots routine ground balls.
Your mother.
Well I don’t think being able to scoop a throw out of the dirt has much to do with athleticism or says much about whether his hitting skills will deteriorate.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
its not like any of us are scouts here
so we can’t at all make any serious judgments on how Dunn is going to age. We do know that his skillset isn’t a good one for older players, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s doomed to a given fate in any given timeframe. But long-term wariness is prudent I think.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I still want him though
if he’s willing to say that in a year or two it’s time to retire the glove
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Sure
My thinking is really that 1) even if he does age poorly it seems highly unlikely that he’ll be an unproductive player at age 34, and 2) while basing decisions on trends is great I think you have to understand why the trend exists and I think historically most of the true 3 outcome guys have been fat and unathletic and Dunn is not fat and unathletic.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
he doesn't strike me as terribly athletic
he doesn’t field well – is that agility or reflexes or instincts or hand-eye coordination or all of the above? He doesn’t run well. All he does is hit. What’s separating him, exactly, from David Ortiz in the athleticism department?
But yeah. You make a great point that Dunn is somehow only 31 right now. On a three year deal, his next team is unlikely to see a great hitter turn into a bad one.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Well
I think they are a lot different. Dunn is not fat at all – David Ortiz is fat as fuck. Ortiz could never have played any other sport because he’s always been fat as fuck. Dunn played football at one of the highest levels in the country at a position that requires athleticism – so at the very least he WAS athletic at some point. I also really think his defensive shortcomings are not about athleticism, but rather just not ever acquiring the skills. I wouldn’t be surprised if his defense at 1st continues to improve as it has over the last 2 years.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Dunn is not fat at all – David Ortiz is fat as fuck.
Well, I guess Rosie O’Donnell isn’t fat in comparison to Rosanne Barr.
Your mother.
Dunn really isn't fat
big and strong, but not fat.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
C'mon people
He’s BIG BONED!
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
sure, but i don't think ortiz is all that fat either
Late stage Tony Gwynn, now that’s fat.
Your mother.
what about a guy like Pronk?
he’s not what I would call fat. He looks like a big and strong dude just like Dunn.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Well I think the issue with him was clearly steroids. He also wasn’t nearly as good at as young an age as Dunn and hasn’t been nearly as consistent.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
im not comfortable with saying something like that
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
sure
but I don’t think that is the reason he’s not good at scooping balls out of the dirt.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
i guess
there certainly could be other reasons why he boots a lot of balls. i don’t think it’s vision or ballpark issues. reaction time could be part of the equation. of course, reaction time could be part of hand/eye coordination.
Your mother.
Yeah,
you have to have pretty good hand-eye coordination to hit, after all…
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
sure, but he's a home hitter
he hits well because he’s strong as fuck and his hand eye coordination is good enough to make contact.
Your mother.
He's also a walker
he has an incredible vision of the strike zone.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I always get so emotional
hen our little babies grow up….
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
I've matured
now that I’m married and all.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Another Fangraph stat.
AVG. Still not feeling well. Mendoza fever, I think.
by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 23, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
don't get me started on how many things are wrong with batting average
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
what's wrong with it is it's too damn low in Carlos's case
Agree that he may be the better value, but only b/c Dunn is going to cost a ton. I’m just not interested in getting the smart shopper award this year.
by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 23, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
yes I’m actually quoting UZR
And here I was starting to like you. Thought you knew better.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 23, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Good for him
Gotta love that guy. Glad he’s gettin’ paid.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 23, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
wow, another bad contract
especially since they have belt ready to go. and aubrey’s performance will fall off drastically next year.
Your mother.
Likely
but if anyone is going to get a contract they don’t really deserve, it should be him.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 23, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
He 'could' conceivably play third as well if Panda doesn't push away from the buffet spread
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 23, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Hehe
We’ve seen this movie. Well, good on you Manhorse, just don’t say anything nasty about SanFran now.
by fishoutawata on Nov 23, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
Want a laugh?
This is what Camden Chat looked like on the day of its birth (11 March 2005).
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah my eyes
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
It stayed about the same until 2007 when we got all edgy
http://web.archive.org/web/20070523105256/http://www.camdenchat.com/
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Yeah, Scott is a lot funnier than me.
I miss that dude. I also love, “The dog isn’t the only thing Adam Loewen will walk. He’ll also walk Neifi Perez. Somehow, Loewen could probably figure out a way to walk Corey Patterson.”
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
results can be seen
Jamie wins 73-26% (168-61)
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Then another update in 2008
http://web.archive.org/web/20080409143758/http://www.camdenchat.com/
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I went to check my profile to see when i joined, because i think i started reading around that time
and realized i’m quickly approaching my 10,000th comment.
What the hell ever happened to Chris Waters?
I always kinda felt 3E1N was his successor, for some reason.
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
Other than the website, not much has changed.
Toronto swept the O’s when last they met.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Nov 23, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
jesus.
remember making those tables for every game matchup?
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Who are those "Expos"?
I have never heard of them.
Property of Baltimore Warrior (I lost a bet.)
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 23, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
All those grids
and trying to find pictures that weren’t too different in size otherwise the entire thing would look wonky. I don’t miss those days.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
What a pain that was
Although I hate the current lineup widget. Too much space, not enough info.
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
i hate the fact that you can't insert the lineup widget in advance
c’mon, SBN. get with the 21st century!
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Yeah I don't know where they pull that data from but it drives me crazy
I don’t mind the widget, though. I wish there was a better one for the starting pitchers instead of just inserting their lame statistics.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
You can insert it "in advance" if by that we mean 30 minutes or so.
So not as useful if you need to do a set it and forget it game thread.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 23, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Since you mention it
Here is what Orioles Hangout looked like in 2005.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Ahem....
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
come on duck
we already beat that stage boss. You don’t keep replaying the same level. We’re setting our target on the next boss now.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
seems like a strange reaction, Stacey
yes, he posted a picture illuminating that Orioles Hangout did not refer to itself as a blog.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
You are, of course, correct.
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
he's trying to get all three stars so he can get a golden egg
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
by zknower on Nov 23, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that website is entirely too busy
it looks like someone slapped a template over windows 97
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Nov 23, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
...I don't think there WAS a Windows 97...
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
fine
Windows 98? it’s before my time.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Nov 23, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Ha
…hope to stop all this losing madness we’ve endured the last seven seasons…
I wish it was still 7.
Wow.
What a long way we’ve come.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 23, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
hahahaha
With that said, here’s to a great 2005. Let’s welcome Sammy Sosa and the other new Orioles, and hope to stop all this losing madness we’ve endured the last seven seasons. And, of course, I would be remiss if I did not say rest in peace to the late, great Hall of Famer Chuck Thompson, perhaps the greatest Oriole fan of them all.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
The funny thing is, though....
….until about mid-july of that year, that statement wasn’t far off.
Goddamn I hate that 2005 season.
I often go back and forth on whether I hate the 2005 season more or whether I hate the 2007 season more.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 23, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I hate the 2010 season the most
It’s easy to forget how much I hated it, but I’ve never been more miserable than I was this year. At least, until Buck showed up on his white horse and saved me.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I can't hate 2010 the most precisely because of Buck.
Without Buck it probably would have been the undisputed worst, though.
2005 gave us some good early-season memories but then you have Mazzilli getting fired and all the crazy steroid shit and the Sammy Sosa nonsense.
2007… pretty much sucked the whole time and has noteworthy shitfests like the Mother’s Day debacle and the 30-3 game and Russ Ortiz on the roster for most of the year. Not to mention another mid-season manager firing.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 23, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
2005 season was the most painful, shitty season ever.
Your mother.
by birdman on Nov 23, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I remember watching that game
in disbelief thinking “oh my god I think this season is even worse than 2005” although 2005 practically crushed me into a pulp. I can’t decide looking back.
I wasn’t around for this season from mid-May until Buck so the pain has been dulled.
cxcxcxcxzzzzzzzzz
score!
I say sign him.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
you are one letter away from being a heretic
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Mark Reynolds is a “trade possibility under discussion” for the Orioles, depending on how their offseason unfolds. We heard from Yahoo’s Tim Brown on November 10th that the Diamondbacks are shopping Reynolds and “looking for contact hitters and bullpen help.” You’d have to think the D’Backs would want David Hernandez from the Orioles.
We already discussed DH for Bartlett or Hardy. How about for Mark Reynolds?
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Nov 23, 2010 1:07 PM EST reply actions
2 years, 12.5 million with a club option in 2013 for 11 million (0.5 buyout)
now, if only Mark Reynolds were a better player…
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Now, does he accept it?
I can’t imagine he would
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
I think he's done with the Nats.
He wants years.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
From Keith Law's twitter feed
since I know everyone’s all up in arms (that may be an exaggeration) about the Rule V stuff:
I’d have zero interest. RT @dstritt1: @keithlaw D-backs target Wynn Pelzer in the Rule 5 if he’s there @ #3?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
They can have him.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 23, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I'm ready to change the tag line
suggestions?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Anything Jamie Walker once said
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
it doesn't bother me much
but today’s orioles aren’t exactly the most interesting people in the world. Felix and Luke are the only ones with a personality that we’re aware of.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Adam Jones has a personality
I’m just not entirely sure how I feel about it. Sometimes I love him, sometimes he gets on my nerves.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
oh, you're right
but Matusz, Wieters, Roberts, Markakis, Guthrie, Arrieta, Bergesen, Tillman, Hernandez, Gonzalez, Tatum, Berken?
All completely interchangeable shaved ice. They’re not even vanilla. They’re just plain, unflavored snowballs. Which is fine…but I miss Jamie Walker.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
True
Not an Aubrey Huff or Kevin Millar in the bunch.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Good times, good times
All that personality almost made the suckage bearable.
by fishoutawata on Nov 23, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Josh Hamilton won the MVP.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
deserved IMO
Though I nebulously attribute part of the value argument to being on a contending team.
Librarians are hiding something
Congrats to Josh
I assume the A-Roid votes were for when he was out…
by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 23, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
And if you look at the voting breakdown, you discover who represents the Baltimore-Washington BBWAA for this stuff.
We spent some space last time talking about why the Sun guys aren’t allowed to vote. On this ballot, Tim Kurkjian from ESPN.com and Paul White from the USA Today are labeled as BAL-WAS.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 23, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
These people don't know what they are talking about
It should have been Matt Albers all the way.
Editor at Baltimore Beatdown - SB Nation Baltimore Ravens Blog
by Zachary Beard on Nov 23, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
I love it.
The game of chicken between the Yankees and Derek Jeter continued today, with GM Brian Cashman making the latest move. Cashman told ESPN’s Wallace Matthews:
“We understand his contributions to the franchise and our offer has taken them into account. We’ve encouraged him to test the market and see if there’s something he would prefer other than this. If he can, fine. That’s the way it works.”
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Nov 23, 2010 4:33 PM EST reply actions
all of that should be block quoted.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Nov 23, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
this is fucking awesome
this is so entertaining
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
This is so awesome
on SOOOO many levels. Cashman is playing this perfect. “Go ahead, Derek, test the market. We won’t be insulted. Get back to us if anyone else will offer a 37-year-old SS who hit .270 last year $15M a year for 3 years. See how that works out for ya.”
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
I'm not a Jeter hater
but I gotta say I’m loving this.
by fishoutawata on Nov 23, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know if you're welcome around these parts if you're not a Jeter hater.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Diversity, man
It’s good for you, like spinach.
by fishoutawata on Nov 23, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
So what does Dunn get?
If Aubrey gets $22M/3 Years, Dunn gets 3 to 4 years, $35 to $40M?
Your mother.
So dunn's gotta get at least
13-15 per for 3-4 years right??
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
GET 'EM!
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 23, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
From the Baltimore Sun's Dan Connolly, via Twitter:
#Orioles wont be offering arbitration to Koji Uehara and likely wont to Kevin Millwood, tho that one is still a slight possibility
(h/t MLBTR)
There’s a bigger chance that we offer arb to Millwood than to Koji? Are you kidding me?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
his mentor-ness is priceless
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Nov 23, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
WTF is wrong with Andy.
Seriously, the Mentor?!
I think Andy sees $7M in arb for Koji! as too much.
Your mother.
7 mil would be ridonkulous for Koji
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 23, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I know
Salaries rarely drop in arb. Your 2/10 mil with incentives sounds better. I might even try to go lower, but I doubt he’d take a pay cut.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 23, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
I think the O’s should offer 2 years, $10M with incentives associated with IPs or games saved.
Your mother.
This sounds like a fair deal for both sides.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 23, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Uehara
Am disappointed they didn’t offer arbitration to Uehara. It’s like the Orioles aren’t trying to get better…Theo acquires Felipe Lopez to get an extra pick, the Jays acquire the catcher from the Rockies to get an extra pick, and it’s too risky for the Orioles to bring back a decent reliever on a one year deal?
Millwood sucks, so whatever. Koji don’t.
Librarians are hiding something
Dude chill out
It’s 7 million dollars. That’s a ton for a guy who is gonna throw like 40 innings.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 23, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
It's the draft pick, not overpaying for a reliever
The draft pick is the missed opportunity at a low risk. And even if Koji accepts arbitration, it’s not that big a deal.
Librarians are hiding something
This.
Remember, the O’s have a shit-ton of available cash for this season. 1 slightly expensive 1 year contract (if Koji were to accept arb) ain’t gonna be too heavy a burden. But losing the potential draft pick if he walks would suck.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 23, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
I'm against wasting money
Overpaying a guy for year isn’t really going to get you anything.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 7:55 AM EST up reply actions
I get the Koji part
Not sure I agree, but I completely get it. But what could they be thinking about the mentor?
by fishoutawata on Nov 23, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
So Randolph is hired
Does this make him heir apparent when Buck gets fired?
There is also John Russell who has managerial experience.
But Buck ain’t getting fired. He’s finally winning a World Series with the team he builds, damnit!
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 23, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
You're right
Angelos has never fired a successful manager, and Buck has never pissed off the boss. They should be just fine. ;)
by fishoutawata on Nov 23, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
maybe he learned from his mistakes?
ha…
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Nov 23, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Buck will stage a coup if it comes to that.
Viva El BuckO!
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 23, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
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