Wednesday Bird Droppings
by Stacey on Nov 24, 2010 7:30 AM EST
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Question of the Day: This is my Thanksgiving on Camden Chat, what with all the travel of the holidays and so on, and I want to wish you all the very best holiday. Being in the spirit, despite the perpetual gloom of being an Orioles fan, what are you thankful for with this franchise? -Andrew
Andy MacPhail LIVE - WJZ FM
Orioles President of Baseball Operations, Andy MacPhail, joined The Norris & Davis Show to give the latest on The O’s and free agency
Orioles Insider: O's agree to terms with Rupe; Komminsk likely to Triple-A as hitting coach
RHP Josh Rupe has been given a minor league contract and an invite to ST while Brad Komminsk gets promoted from AA manager to AAA hitting coach.
Orioles Insider: Orioles don't offer arbitration to Uehara or Millwood (updated)
Nobody expected Millwood to get an offer of arbitration, but Koji wasn't so easy to explain away. Offering Koji arbitration would be a gamble, and I'm not angry it didn't happen.
Rule 5 Possibilities, 2010 - Bucs Dugout
The Pirates have the first overall pick in the Rule 5 draft, and Bucs dugout examines possible targets for the team including the Orioles' Ryan Adams, Pedro Beato, and Wynn Pelzer.
Aubrey Huff, San Francisco Giants agree on two-year, $22 million contract - ESPN
Huff Daddy has been rewarded for his 2010 season with a contract the Giants will surely regret.
Randolph rounds out O's new coaching staff | orioles.com: News
The hand wringing can cease as the Orioles finally have a complete coaching staff. Here's the rundown: Willie Randolph - bench coach; John Russell - third base coach; Mark Connor - pitching coach; Rick Adair - bullpen coach; Jim Presley - hitting coach.
Orioles 'disappointed' to have missed out on signing Victor Martinez - baltimoresun.com
New targets include Lance Berkman, Adam Dunn, Paul Konerko, Adam LaRoche, Derreck Lee, and Carlos Pena.
Why Baltimore is Better Off Withouth V-Mart
Dempsey's Army explains just why Victor Martinez isn't a good fit for the Orioles (especially for $12.25M per year)
Baltimore Orioles Holiday Cleanup Cap - MLB.com Shop
This is, quite simply, an abomination. -duck
The Royle Rundown: O's fans can say C-ya to V-Mart
Jen Royle is back and she thinks that no V-Mart means no leadership in the clubhouse. Also, her need for an editor is getting downright embarrassing. Honestly, just read it.
Grab a glass of ginger ale: Josh Hamilton named AL MVP - Big League Stew
Well done, Josh.
I'm going to give you a little advice. The open thread makes things happen. And all you have to do is get in touch with it, stop thinking, let things happen, and be the ball.
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Happy leave really early from work day!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Happy sit in traffic and curse all the damn people who had off all day Day!
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 24, 2010 8:10 AM EST up reply actions
here all day
and going to actually get something done beings I don’t have to answer stupid question all day. December is going to be OT month this year. why have deadlines in December when we all know this shit is going to sit on someones desk until January??
Completely agree
If it’s two things I can’t stand around the workplace (the list is much longer than 2 things, but these are right at the top), it’s deadlines on the day before or after a holiday and deadlines in December when so many folks are gone and nothing gets done until January anyways. Also up on that list is the expectation that I’m going to answer emails and/or work over holidays.
Got here wicked early so I can peace out as early as possible. Still getting in close to 8 hours, but I did extra on Monday to make up for it and I should beat some of the traffic outta here.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 8:17 AM EST up reply actions
happy just woke up because I'm off until Monday day!
by PhilR8 on Nov 24, 2010 8:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nobody likes you
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
by Stacey on Nov 24, 2010 9:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
So who's your favorite of these guys...
New targets include Lance Berkman, Adam Dunn, Paul Konerko, Adam LaRoche, Derreck Lee, and Carlos Pena.
I’m pulling for Berkman..
What up?
A better question should be
Who’s likely to sign with us? I don’t want to get my hopes up only to be spurned (I’m talking to you, Doucheira).
Where are my shoelaces?
Ugh. Did you see what he did w/ the Yanks during the 2nd half? Berkman may make O's fans long for the days of Garrett Atkins.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 24, 2010 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
Negative
No way Berkman is as bad as the Beav. Just no freakin’ way. He could be absofreakinlutley terrible and still not be as bad as Beaver.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
I live in Houston now
and even those that love him most think he’s embarrassingly washed up.
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Nov 24, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
Washed up is one thing
As bad as the Beav is a completely different story.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
OK, that was a bit of hyperbole, but Berkman is probably last on my list of the above mentioned.
I’d go:
Yes, Please!: Dunn.
Alright: Lee.
Meh, Whatev: Pena.
4 years too late: Konerko.
No Way, Jose: LaRoche.
Hell No!: Berkman.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 24, 2010 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
switch LaRoche and Konkero
and you’ve pretty much got me matched. I really want no part of anyone below Lee though.
Would not be surprised if we end up with Pena.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
My preferences, in order
1. Dunn
2. Lee
3. Pena
No thanks to the rest.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
It'd probably take two years
Which I could accept.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I just saw that Miguel Tejada is a type A FA
Makes me wonder if we should have just sucked it up and kept him. Although given how hard it was for him to find a job in 2010 he probably would have accepted arbitration.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I would imagine
8 million or so would be a pretty big windfall for a guy who was having his year in Bmore.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I know it's rare to get less money in arbitration
But you can get up to a 20% pay cut, right? Am I remembering that correctly? With as shitty as he played, he totally could have been one of the rare cases.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I've heard a remarkable number of people
opine that one player or another (mostly Koji) wouldn’t get a raise and would instead get a pay cut for one reason or another, but I’m having a pretty tough time finding even one example of a player who got a pay cut in arbitration.
The Padres, FWIW, did not offer arb to Miggi. So we can resign him again at no additional cost. Hooray!
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I can't imagine Koji would have gotten a pay cut
But Miggi’s numbers were just miserable. Where does one even look at arbitration totals?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
For the record,
I realize I was deluding myself about Koji possibly getting a pay cut. (Technical possibility, yes; practical possibility, no.) Still think we should’ve offered arb, but…
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
It's pretty easy to make the case for offering to Koji
but it’s also pretty easy to make the opposite case…so I don’t think it’s galling on the O’s part not to have.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Galling, no.
I definitely see the other side on it. And heck, if we re-sign him, it’s a moot point.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
QotD: I'm thankful for this:
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Corey Patterson?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
The look on Guthrie's face?
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 24, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
Nah, I meant the benediction being delivered by Jake Fox.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Just to clarify
for anyone reading Jen Royle’s column: Adrian Beltre is not “closing in” on a deal with the A’s. That is some kind of scare tactic or something that Royle is using and is not true.
I’m all for complaining about the bad journalism in Bmore, but if we’re going to do it, let’s do it all the way or not at all. One week ago I had no idea there was such a person as Jen Royle and now you’ve cursed me with knowledge!
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Blame zk for bringing her into our lives
Now that I’ve read her stuff I cannot stop reading it.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I want to print out her article and attack it with my red pen
Then mail the hard copy back to her.
I find her “analysis” to be laughable, but given that it’s opinion I’ll allow it. But the errors in her writing are inexcusable.
Martinez spent 8 1/2 years with the Cleveland Indians before joining the Red Sox during the 2009 season. In 56 games with Boston in ’09, V-Mart hit an impressive .336 with eight home runs and 41 RBI. The following year, Martinez finished with another impressive average, .302, with 20 home runs and 79 RBI. So judging by the offensive numbers alone, Martinez not only strengthened the Tigers, he clearly weakened the Red Sox.
That last sentence? Doesn’t make sense. It needs some more words, and maybe a different verb tense.
With reports Martinez wanted to go somewhere with stability — four years for a 31-year-old catcher would is just that — and where he could catch, enter your Matt Wieters comments here, he is also expected to DH for more than a handful of games (possibly 80) for the Tigers with Alex Avila as backup.
Would is just that?
But although he only batted .227, in my opinion, he’s still better than Wiggy. Guys, Wiggy Pena hit more HRs in 2009 than Wiggy in two combined years with the O’s (33) and recorded only seven more (107) RBI, again in two years compared to Pena’s 2009 season.
Wiggy Pena? WHO is Wiggy Pena?
Because you know what the Orioles have to do to get this domino affect started?
Affect? AFFECT?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
these dominoes are affecting me
at least she understands that Carlos Pena > Ty Wigginton
Maybe we can trade Wieters to the Tigers for VMart?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I enjoy that her version of the triple slash stat is BA/HR/RBI
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
that's incredibly frustrating for me
but it’s pretty standard in the mainstream world. I can deal with that.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
It's less offensive to me than her refusal to put an apostrophe in "let's," anyway.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Why did MASN add her their site?
I can’t imagine that anyone reads her articles more than once. You are right, her writing is terrible.
By the way...
thanks to Zknower, I now have the most bad-ass of bad-ass alert tones for everything. Text message? Get em. Voice mail alert? Get em. I even have it set up so that My Created player’s walk-up music in MLB10 the Show is a loop of Get em’s.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 24, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Jen Royle
and I share exactly the same first name and last name, with a one letter difference. It’s embarrassing, like when you have the same name as a serial killer or something.
Those are some Kojiculous sideburns. Son of Sam Horn commenter, 08/31/10
by killertomato on Nov 24, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
Or if your name was Michael Bolton
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 24, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
For my money, I don't know if it gets any better than when he sings "When a Man Loves a Woman".
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
"Hey! Girl's Name!"
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
That's a line from Scrubs...
But I’m sure you were referencing something else.
Where are my shoelaces?
nope, scrubs it is
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
you told me it was your sad episode
although I was always more partial to the sequel when Dr. Cox is sitting around getting drunk
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
That is very good as well.
I heard he only says about 20 words the entire episode, but he’s still fantastic. JD’s speech at the end is perfect. My favorite part, however, is when he calls JD by his real name.
Where are my shoelaces?
Something
might be wrong with your money.
Those are some Kojiculous sideburns. Son of Sam Horn commenter, 08/31/10
by killertomato on Nov 24, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
She got it from Syd Thrift
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
It's Zimbabwaen (sp?)
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 24, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
Put a Santa hat
on those giraffes, and I call it bank.
Those are some Kojiculous sideburns. Son of Sam Horn commenter, 08/31/10
by killertomato on Nov 24, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Michael Bolton...
is a no talent ass clown.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 24, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
I just read
some article about a grown man who is named Justin Beiber. Regular citizen. Had to have his phone shut off and Facebook closed his account thinking he was a fraud.
Those are some Kojiculous sideburns. Son of Sam Horn commenter, 08/31/10
by killertomato on Nov 24, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Poor old man Beiber.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I think that might be worse than being named Michael Bolton.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 24, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
The link:
Those are some Kojiculous sideburns. Son of Sam Horn commenter, 08/31/10
by killertomato on Nov 24, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
That article...
Horrifying. What a morning already. I’m over V-Mart, but I’m pissed about Koji. I’m pissed that Andy sounds half asleep every goddamn time he’s on the radio running around trying to find reception on his cell phone. I’m pissed that I’m the only goddamn person who felt the need to post at work today. And I’m pissed that, even though one of the things I am thankful for is Roch’s work on the MASN site, I’m now unable to avoid reading the tits with a keyboard. Fuck it, I’m piling on:
I said this about Adam Dunn so I’ll stay it now with authority about V-Mart
Stay it, don’t spray it?
With reports Martinez wanted to go somewhere with stability — four years for a 31-year-old catcher would is just that — and where he could catch, enter your Matt Wieters comments here, he is also expected to DH for more than a handful of games (possibly 80) for the Tigers with Alex Avila as backup.
Ok. We have three choices here, Jen: the dash, the comma and the parenthesis. Pick one and own it. Salinger preferred the parenthesis and once offered his critics a floral arrangement of them. I offer you the same of my middle finger. You suck.
They need to OVERPAY for a big-name player to start the recruiting process if you may.
…if you may? You mean “if you will”? What? Christ, recruit a comma from elsewhere in that mess and try to make some fucking sense.
Who on the Orioles is selling Charm City? And if they are, what is their sales pitch?
Well, you’re doing a bang-up job of selling the City That Reads! Come to Baltimore! We can writes real good!
I’m spending lunch time here: http://www.masnsports.com/masn_news_information/contact-masn.html.
by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 24, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Might want to rethink the next-to-last sentence in your first paragraph
Comes across a tad misogynistic.
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
Apologies.
It was a reference to the cleavage shot, which I could do without….but, hey if Roch can flex in a t-shirt on his page, more power to them…
by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 24, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
yup
I might have taken offense to your word choice if that wasn’t clearly the way MASN has chosen to market her. Of course, if my writing was that bad I might resort to distracting readers with my boobs as well.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
by Stacey on Nov 24, 2010 9:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Boobs are distracting...
but her inability to write a three paragraph blog entry without fucking the whole thing up is maddening. I don’t mind reading people I disagree with, I mind having to insert punctuation where appropriate because the author is too damn lazy/stupid to do it his/herself.
That and the whole, “trust me, I know player X from my time with the Yankees” thing is so old. Just because Carlos Pena gave you an interview two years ago doesn’t mean the Orioles need to throw him 15 large for a one year deal.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 24, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
tell me you aren't really this angry mostly because of Koji
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I really don't understand why we're getting all worked up over this anyways.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
I'm guessing he's back next season anyways
unless some silly GM offers him a Danys Baez deal, of course.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
That was my thought
I sincerely doubt anybody is going to offer him a pay raise. Not giving him arb means we have a better chance to sign him cheaper since I realllllly don’t think he’s going anywhere.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Not really.
Here it is: We’ve got a bad team, but a great city. I’ve lived all over the country and I’ll die happily in Baltimore; I love this place. Part of what makes baseball great for me here is the quality of the coverage. People like Roch, Fred and Joe and Chuck before, Davey, Palmer, not to mention this site. It’s really something special. Having someone like Jen Royle pollute that quality just saps my enjoyment of the experience. I guess I should just tune her out, but she’s on MASN. That’s part of the Orioles product. I want that portion of it upgraded in the offseason…kind of like bringing back Koji…
by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 24, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Joe Angel is a gift to all of us
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
russian boxer
he is like steel!
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
If he dies, he dies.
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
I'm thankful for them giving me something to do from 7 to 10 on most spring and summer nights.
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 24, 2010 8:59 AM EST reply actions
Interesting...
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/11/23/yankees-dont-offer-derek-jeter-arbitration-dispute-agents-rem/
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
Happy 43rd birthday to Ben McDonald
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
haha I just clicked that link for the Orioles cap
I think it’s kinda cute. I mean, I wouldn’t buy it or wear it, but the bird in the Santa hat is funny.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
It's an abomination
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
That's a little harsh
It’s not like it’s an article written by Jen Royle.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
at least it isn't the O's hat with a little santa hat
which reminds me…
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
If it's black and green
it’s not really an oriole, is it? It’s like, a finch.
Those are some Kojiculous sideburns. Son of Sam Horn commenter, 08/31/10
by killertomato on Nov 24, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
The bird just dyed his feathers to get into the holiday spirit.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Bird got deep.
Those are some Kojiculous sideburns. Son of Sam Horn commenter, 08/31/10
by killertomato on Nov 24, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
It is cute.
The bird in the santa hat is adorable. The colors are disgusting though.
Where are my shoelaces?
What I'm Thankful For
I’m fairly certain nobody else will think of this, and it’s such a normal everyday thing for us, but I’m thankful for the bird on the hat.
The Orioles are the only team in baseball that uses a picture for their normal logo. Every other teams goes with boring-to-incredibly-boring letters. In Baltimore we have a delightful little bird, and that makes me incredibly happy.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I'm also thankful for that!
You’re right, I didn’t think of it, but it’s true. I like the bird.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I still want the cartoon bird back
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
by duck on Nov 24, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd.
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 24, 2010 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
Unlike the ornithological?
Wishing for ’66?
by fishoutawata on Nov 24, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to see a return of the Camden Yeard Opening bird.
I think that is the perfect mix of cartoon/ornithological
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Nov 24, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I'm thankful that I still have a Heavy Seas The Great'er Pumpkin sitting in my fridge ready to be consumed tomorrow
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
oh, I did finally find one of those
I had to go to Rochester, NY to find it but find it I did.
It was a little strong for my tastes. Oh well. Looking forward to the Winter Storm Ale.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
That was my thought.
Loose Cannon is really good though.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Yea...Stone beers are expensive
Avery is awesome too, but same price as Stone. I have a really hard time spending 10.99 on a six pack when I can get Loose Cannon for 8.99 or Torpedo for 8.49 etc etc etc
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
avery rules
avery ipa is excellent. I just splurged for an avery maharaja ipa yesterday, haven’t tried it yet though.
Boulder Beer is good too
Mojo rocks.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Jealous!
I never found it. Their gold ale is my favorite.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Nov 24, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Sooo, North Korea got a little cranky.
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 24, 2010 9:41 AM EST reply actions
I'm really enjoying the disconnect between CamdenChat and some other comment boards
re: Koji -
CC: Understandable but somewhat disappointing. Hopefully we can still resign him.
Elsewhere: What teh hell MACFAILURE!!!!!
re: VMart -
CC: If anything, thank goodness he didnt take that ridiculous deal.
Elsewhere: JESUS WHEN WILL WE EVER HOLD THIS TEAM ACCOUNTABLE?!?!
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I'll never understand...
the logic applied by fans in Baltimore:
1) The Ravens are a model franchise because they don’t overpay for old talent, they build through the draft, and they emphasize certain core fundamentals (defense). The Redskins suck because they do the exact opposite.
2) The Orioles suck because they don’t overpay for old talent, they trade away aging talent for prospects, and they don’t have enough RBI guys.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 24, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Well, that's why we're all commenting on CC instead of on blogs on The Sun.
Because we don’t make the second argument for why the Orioles suck. :)
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 24, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
We don't need to.
The Os suck just because.
by fishoutawata on Nov 24, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
It's totally different with a salary cap.
The Skins aren’t bad because they overpay. They are bad because they overpay for the wrong guys. It’s like the Devils sucking because they overpaid for a guy (100 mil to Kovy) that doesn’t fit their system at all.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
I feel...
like there is a Go FLyErzz!! in there somewhere…
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Oh absolutely
There’s a gO FlYErzZzZZ! in everything
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by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
The way the Skins handle the draft is certainly a big part of their sucking though.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Right you are...
in addition to overpaying for aging players on the decline, they draft guys in the second round that are either always injured or suck so bad they get cut by the Panthers.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 24, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I kinda disagree
Koji – the logic applied by AM and company is pretty stupid. 1 year of Koji or a draft pick (preferably the draft pick) is a worthwhile risk. AM wants to get him back on an incentive deal. AM feared the extra couple million dollars isn’t worth the risk.
VMart – again, questionable logic, even to offer that contract. The only question I have now is who will be the recipient of a bad contract? I’m betting the Orioles way overpay for Paul Konerko and then wonder why his SLG takes a significant drop as the contract progresses. So yeah, thank goodness he didn’t take the deal, but that kind of misses the point that AM doesn’t know what he’s doing.
I know, I’m being a crazy reactionary. Or perhaps I just believe that a good GM (Friedman) wouldn’t make these kinds of mistakes.
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No, that's not the logic at all.
They are playing the market. I doubt (and I’m sure AM is thinking the same thing or he would have offered arb) that Koji will sign elsewhere. Arb will likely give him 7 or so mil and I don’t think there is a team out there that is going to offer him that kind of money. Even if he gets a better offer elsewhere, the O’s can match or exceed and still get him cheaper.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
After seeing what Benoit got
I do think another team would have signed Koji if Andy would have offered arbitration.
Your mother.
Maybe, but I'm betting he'll be back in an O's uniform next year and at a lower salary.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry...lower than what he would have gotten in arb
I liked your idea of the 2/10mil with incentives since he is an injury risk.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
penny wise and pound foolish
Nobody really knows if Uehara would be interested in signing elsewhere. The Orioles should have been hoping that he would sign elsewhere after they offered him arbitration…that’s kind of the point. I disagree that arb would’ve given him $7M, and even if they did, who cares? The Orioles want him back on their terms, fine, I guess that will give them a few more million dollars to overpay for somebody else. I guess they are hoping that they can save money by not having a pesky second round pick.
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Why do you disagree?
He’s making 5 million now. Salaries go up from arbitration not down. And for a draft pick? I’d rather have Koji back on my team at 5 million than get the draft pick.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Not really
Salaries can go down, especially when he was signed to be a starter and not a reliever. Again though, I suppose there were a couple scenarios
a) don’t offer arbitration and try to sign him and a more team friendly deal
b) offer arbitration with goal of resigning him and make pay more than he’s worth
c) offer arbitration and hopes he spurns it in favor of a long term deal with another club
Essentially I was hoping the Orioles would choose option C and they didn’t. I think it is a lost opportunity to pick up a free draft pick in a deep draft. The Orioles are going with option A because I guess they believe they can compete in 2011. Good luck with that.
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I don’t think the arb panel considers what they were signed to do v. what they actually did. Do they??
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I thought his new salary would be determined in comparison to other relievers not other pitchers
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That does not have much to do with it.
See Cabrera, Daniel.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
fair enough but
Papelbon received $6.25M during his first year of arbitration as a point of reference. A raise seems very likely for KOJI!
Your mother.
well right
but the fact that he was signed as a starter doesn’t have anything to do with that, does it?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Nope.
You are correct, sir.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
biz of baseball link
I like conjecture as much as the next guy, but here are excerpts from an actual article on the topic:
A Peek Inside How Salary Hearings FunctionThe criteria by which salary arbitration cases are presented are part of the CBA, although from talking to a baseball man that has made a living a salary arbitration for nearly every club, while it is outlined in the CBA, most anything is permissible at hearing, it’s just that what is presented can be easily challenged and undermine your case, should the information presented fall far outside the CBA’s criteria.
Player Comparison – The sides are allowed to use other players with like ML service time as a comparison to make their case. The CBA expresses this as "Major League service not exceeding one annual service group above the Player’s annual service group."
Player Comparison (Look Backs) – While using a player with more ML service time as a comparison in terms of 2009 salary to 2009 salary, the sides can do a "look back". So, for example, using Albert Pujols’ numbers and salary for 2009 would not be acceptable in Ryan Howard’s case, but using Pujols’ figures when he had the same ML service time that Howard now has is permissible.
Contract Comparison – In nearly every instance, one-year contracts are used in hearing. Multi-year contracts are not used as they have different structures – frontloaded, backloaded, etc. So, using a 2009 salary figure in a mult-year contract creates issues as the single year salary could be influenced by the overall contract structure.
Position Comparison – For practicality purposes, comparing players at like positions are used. Clearly, attempting to compare a middle infielder to a catcher would not hold much weight with the panel. However, instances of comparing corner outfielders has been used.
Injuries – The sides can use injuries (or the lack of them) at hearing. A player that has been on the DL more often than a comparative player can be used by management to make their case for the lower offering figure by a club.
Link.
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I don't know where else to put this so here it goes
there are two logical fallacies in your argument. The Orioles gave Koji 5 million dollars per year for two years two winters ago with the full knowledge that he very well might no work out as a starter. They could argue that he was being paid to be a starter, but they’d be lying and I would think Koji’s representatives could easily win that debate.
Secondly is the three options thing, which is actually two options. The Orioles could not offer arbitration and have Koji turn it down OR offer arbitration and have Koji accept it. They could only offer arbitration.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
They could argue that he was being paid to be a starter, but they’d be lying and I would think Koji’s representatives could easily win that debate.
They would w/o a doubt lose because his was salary was partially structured around on role (starter or reliever).
Your mother.
it was not structured around anything
he was paid 5 million to pitch. Not pitch as a starter or a reliever, just to pitch.
Look, guys, if you want to convince me that Koji’s salary actually could go down via arbitration, I’m all ears! Just show me one relevant example of that ever happening. My entire thesis is that nobody ever gets a paycut through arbitration, that in fact the entire point of arbitration is to keep guys from ever getting paycuts through it. If you have a counter-example, bring it.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
He had incentives built around starts or saves. The O’s clearly anticipated the possibility of moving into a relief role eventually. For some reason, his contract is gone from Cot’s contract.
Your mother.
I had no idea
but you’re right about that. Except that even with the performance bonuses, he still had a base salary of 5 million dollars, starter or otherwise.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I was trying to find the details of his contract
and found this story instead:
Uehara was named the Central League’s Rookie of the Year (Matsuzaka won the Pacific League’s award), and took the Sawamura Award for NPB’s best pitcher, beating out Dice-K. He also touched off a nationwide debate when, in October of 1999, he broke down in tears on the mound. Uehara’s teammate, Hideki Matsui, was one home run behind Roberto Petagine in the league’s home run race. The Yomiuri Giants bosses commanded that Uehara intentionally walk Petagine, but Uehara wished to battle the opposing slugger. Uehara capitulated to his employer and wept on the mound. Many Japanese fans were outraged at the Giants’ decision.
Aw, Koji!
http://armchairgm.wikia.com/Koji_Uehara
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I have a weird sense of de ja vu.
i think you might have posted this before.
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 24, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
I've never heard that story before
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Maybe it's the aw koji part.
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 24, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it's the only time
NPB has tried to keep a foreigner from beating out a Japanese in a race of that sort (or from breaking an NPB record).
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
holy cow
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Based on that story
I am now in favor of the Orioles signing Koji to a four year deal. I am also in favor of giving him a hug.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Woah....I draw the line at 2 years.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
what would rob dibble say
if a pitcher started crying on the mound because of an intentional walk?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
"He's crying? On the mound? What is he, on the rag?"
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I think you misunderstand
The Orioles could offer arbitration, which presents two options, one he accepts it, or two he doesn’t. The other option is to not offer arbitration. So there are 3 scenarios.
And again with the arbitration, it’s clearly a sore point in these parts. The Orioles opted not to take the gamble. Whatever, I think it was worth it, the Orioles don’t.
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3 scenarios
but your words were
I was hoping the Orioles would choose option Cbut it’s not like they could force Koji to turn it down.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
well okay
what I still don’t understand is that your position is basically “go for the draft pick, but if you end up with Koji then that’s okay, too”…but the Orioles are still going after Koji and could very well end up with him at a non-ridiculous salary. So if that happens, no harm no foul?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
yeah, i guess
I mean, if they resign Koji for $3M I guess it’s fine. However, like the VMart offer (and btw, the VMart contract is significantly more ominous than the Koji thing), it is a little discouraging that the Orioles valued getting Koji on a 1 year deal over the opportunity to get a draft pick.
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I don't think that's true at all
They might want Koji on a 1 year deal, but there is nothing about declining arbitration that they are only looking at a 1 year deal. I could easily see them working on a 2 year deal with a lower base salary.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
signing relievers to multiyear deals has always worked out for the Orioles
So I guess that’s the plan.
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Especially ones that will be 36 next year
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Wait...is that snark?
If so, you’re contradicting yourself.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
It is snark
And my preference is the gamble to get the draft pick and not bring him back. But the worst case of bringing back a reliever on a one year deal is the ideal way to retain relievers.
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Okay...you're just arguing for the sake of arguing here.
If that statement was snarky, what was the point of posting
it is a little discouraging that the Orioles valued getting Koji on a 1 year deal over the opportunity to get a draft pick.?
Do you want him on a longer contract or not?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not really sure that I'm arguing just to argue
I’m pretty sure my position is in the minority though.
My goal is the sandwich pick. The risk associated with that is that Koji accepts arbitration and you have to pay him. What that would be is somewhat controversial apparently. But that’s not my hope. The hope would be he declines arbitration and the Orioles pick up a draft pick. What are the odds of that scenario unfolding? I dunno. But I would think other GMs would have taken that chance, and a risk averse GM like AM wouldn’t.
Librarians are hiding something
Taking gambles just to score a draft pick is NOT a smart way to make things happen.
That’s how you end up with a bunch of ridiculous contracts.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
And why would he decline arb anyways?
He’s going to get paid in arb and he knows it. Without it, he’s got little chance of a pay raise IMO.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Koji could decline arbitration to get a multiyear deal, which would be smart to do given how awesome he was in the second half of last season, and how injured he was before that.
Librarians are hiding something
But that's not his only motivation
If he’s going to get a raise to stay in the place he’s comfortable with teammates he likes, I think he’s going to take it. Not only that, but I don’t think teams are lining up to give an often injured 36 year old reliever that throws 86-87 a multi-year deal.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
yeah I don't know
I’m not Koji. However, I think a pretty strong argument could be made that it’s in Koji’s best interest to seek a multiyear deal because this is his best chance as he was healthy and strong to finish 2010.
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Does anybody really care that he finished 2010 healthy?
He certainly wasn’t healthy the whole year and only threw 44 innings. I would think that teams assess the health of a player throughout the season rather than focusing on whether the player was lucky enough to be healthy at the end of the season.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
yep
As a 31 year old (as opposed to a 35 year old) LHP (as opposed to RHP) that was throwing 93 (as opposed to 88) coming off a season in which he threw 74 innings (as opposed to 44).
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
if Koji is ever going to get a long term contract
now would be the time.
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Why waste money?
A ridiculous 1 year deal this year might take a little out of a better contract next year or make the team less likely to gamble on something better in the future.
Your “valuing a 1 year deal” thing looks more and more confusing. With arbitration, they’d be giving him a one year deal. Without arb, he might get a longer contract. What is it that you want? According to that statement, neither.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Why waste money?
Overpaying a reliever is the downside risk for the opportunity to get the pick.
That downside is mitigated because it would only be a one year deal.
Again, it is a gamble. The potential victory is the draft pick. If the worst case scenario unfolds, it isn’t that bad.
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I think that's fair
I happen to agree with the risk-reward here, and I think Stacey’s made a pretty good point that it is likely the Warehouse is more aware of Koji’s desires and the market for him than we are. But thinking the risk is worthwhile, that’s totally valid.
Just don’t defend it by talking about getting paycuts and so on. That’s all I ask.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
what is weird for me
is the orioles were (hopefully intentionally) willing to pretty strongly overpay for V-Mart but were at the same time (wisely IMO) being rather prudent with their nickels with Koji. It’s a little inconsistent.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I'd like to think
That they’ve already been talking to Koji and are reasonably certain that they’ll re-sign him. Perhaps we’ll discover later that was the case all along.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I dunno.
I think that play on VMart was smart.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
uhhhh and?
None of that is new information.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
The points would be:
- He’s going to be compared to other relievers
- Injuries are going to be a factor
But really who cares? Let’s say he makes 6.25M or whatever. If the goal is to resign him, that’s fine. I would hope the goal was to get the draft pick, and in the worst case scenario we pay him $6M. From my view it’s worth the gamble.
Librarians are hiding something
You do know that somebody else has to actually offer him a contract for us to get the picks right?
I don’t think that’s a given.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
And I'd ask you to explain which part of anybody's argument was conjecture while you're at it.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
huh?
Nobody ever said he wouldn’t be compared to relievers. All I said is that the fact that he was signed as a starter (which isn’t actually true) will have nothing to do with it.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
um OK
The point is that worst case he’d make close to what he’s making now. And even if it’s $7M, than whatever. It’s a gamble. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. The Orioles chose not to play.
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You can't lose if you don't play.
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by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, Marla Daniels
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I've been told that the saying is, in fact, "you can't win if you don't play"
but whatever. I make my own rules.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
look at that cedric daniels talk
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Ok
I was only saying that he was going to get a raise via arbitration. I don’t have much of an opinion on whether the O’s should have offered him arb. I guess I would have preferred that they did, but I’m also not too worried about it. The odds of him not accepting and signing with another team so we got a draft pick aren’t good and my guess is that we’ll sign him anyway, so I don’t see how it matters and we might get him cheaper than if we had offered arb.
So you’re right that they didn’t gamble, but I don’t think there was much to win or lose by gambling.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
they could've won a top 40 draft pick
In a system that could use one.
I really had no idea that my position would cause such a use of bandwidth! My fault, internet.
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Sure...I could win the lottery tonight as well
But the odds aren’t great.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
I think the odds of you winning the lottery are significantly less than the odds of a team wanting to sign Koji to a multiyear deal.
Librarians are hiding something
Jokes, dude.
Just making a point.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Oh and I won 2 bucks off of a scratch-off ticket last week.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 24, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think every 1 dollar scratch off is on average, worth 87 cents
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by the fix is in on Nov 25, 2010 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
But that’s only part of the equation. Not only would a team have to be willing to sign Koji for more than he was offered in arb (or more years), but he’d have to choose that option. The odds of both of those things happening are not at all good.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
koji's salary was partially tied to whether he was a closer or starter
and salaries almost never go down in arbitration. I always found it frustrating to see Daniel Cabrera put up another crappy year and still received a raise each year.
Your mother.
Yes.
I’ve come in from the ledge on Koji. If he gets an offer (and I think he will), it’s going to be counter-able at less than arb. Of course, he could always say screw you, I’m going to play in Minnesota so I don’t overheat…
by Fahrenheit 451 on Nov 24, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Calcaterra smacks down Rosenthal
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by Stacey on Nov 24, 2010 10:06 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Robothal: good reporter, bad columnist
anyone remember that thing about Cal Ripken this past summer?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Bookmarked.
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 24, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
First track has Sabbath AND Ludacris AND The doors AND Jane's Addiction AND Jay-Z AND NWA?
That’s awesome.
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
Camden Chat - We proofread.
Except in today’s Question of the Day, where we didn’t.
Also, the hyphen in our tagline should be an em-dash.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I think it should read
Camden Chat – We proofread (except that duck character)
‘Cause I totally don’t.
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by duck on Nov 24, 2010 2:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I can't change the hyphen because it is built into the program
I guess I should have said, “Stacey and zknower proofread. Andrew and duck do not.”
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Exactly.
That’s perfect. That should absolutely be the new tagline.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I'm okay with it
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
'Tis the truth, yo.
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
you know, i misread it
…and i owe you an apology. I thought you were trying to say something else (“This is my first Thanksgiving on Camden Chat”) and now realized I was wrong. Although I’d maybe change ‘This’ to ‘Today’, but that’s just nitpicking.
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Andrew, what happen to Youppi?
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 24, 2010 3:48 PM EST reply actions
just wanted to showcase my love for all things John Slattery
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
so can someone please clarify this for me
is there a chance we re-sign Koji??
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
well I guess my question would be
how likely is it that we re-sign Koji?
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Nov 24, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
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