Wednesday Bird Droppings
by Stacey on Nov 3, 2010 7:45 AM EDT
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PrintFirst thing! Don't forget to vote for us in the Mobbies! Now that Orioles Hangout, er, Tony's Take has been added, we don't have a shot in hell to win, but put up a good effort anyway, all right? I figure if we finish in second place behind them, we still won the best blog competition since Orioles Hangout isn't a blog. Vote every day!
Question of the Day: With the surprising news of Juan Samuel's return to the fold as infield and third base coach, I knew there would be groans and rampant usage of the word "windmill" (Bonus Question of the Day: Are there any third base coaches not nicknamed "The Windmill"?), but it is obviously rather difficult to accurately assess his job performance. How do you all do it? -Andrew
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poor laurel...
i really enjoy laurel park. i hope some eccentric billionaire swoops in and rescues it. actually, it COULD be made into a cool space if someone were willing to pump in some dough for renovations.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 3, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Guess I won't be moving to California just yet.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Well even if it passed, i think it was still gonna be more symbolic than anything else
implementation would have been too hard, especially with AG saying the DoJ was still going to enforce federal law.
Yeah...
Holder was going to bring the full force of the DoJ on this issue. It would’ve sat in court for a long time.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 3, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought that if it went to the Supreme Court, it would hold up.
There’s nothing in the constitution that a state has to enforce a federal government prohibition.
Also, my brother out there voted against it. His reason? He is worried that big business will take marijuana from people like himself, who make money from the medical stuff.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Nov 3, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, there is.
U.S. Const., Art VI, cl. 2
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land;
Doesn’t that just say that it’s law? That doesn’t say that the states have to enforce the law, does it?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
All they said
was that there was nothing in the constitution that said states had to enforce federal prohibitions.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
The states don't need to enforce federal prohibitions because the feds will do it themselves.
If Prop 19 passed, it sounds like federal indictments would have been coming in anywhere they could get away with it to quash the marijuana uprising.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 3, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh
didn’t people think the same thing about medical marijuana?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
And initially there was a huge number of DEA on medical marijuana growers and dispensaries
it took a long time for them to back off, the medical marijuana proposition was passed 16 years ago and Holder was the first AG to officially say they would stop prosecuting.
How many total federal prosecutions have there been for medical marijuana
in the 15 or so states that allow it and didn’t involve somebody doing something that was clearly illegal even considering the medical marijuana laws?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I'm trying to find a decent article about it
but when California first passed Prop 215, it was a lot.
I'm not sure that really shows much
you can’t tell whether those people arrested and plants confiscated were operating within the state laws.
And also saying that it was an issue under the previous administration so it would be an issue under the current one seems sort of silly.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I'm not saying its going to be an issue under this administration because it was under the previous one
I’m saying it will be because Eric Holder has said he will make it an issue.
Eh
maybe they’ll try for a couple years, but it’s not sustainable. It only took 14 years (CA passed the med mar. legislation in 1996, no?) for med to work. I don’t that’s a particularly long time in the history of marijuana laws.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I think the preemption argument is stronger than some people do
The federal government can’t force Calfornia to keep marijuana prohibitions on the books, but they can stop the next wave of regulations that govern the legal sale of marijuana.
But even if the preemption argument fails, federal law still applies and the feds can enforce marijuana prohibition in California themselves
Right - that was my only point. Feds can enforce it if they want. States don't have to.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I agree with you that its just a law
but I think its so retarded. Let’s have a law…but…no…nobody has to enforce it.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 3, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
America, man
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Nov 3, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say nobody has to enforce it
and I agree that it doesn’t make sense to have a law that nobody enforces. Fix was just saying that the law doesn’t say the states have to enforce it. If the Feds want to enforce it that’s fine, but my guess is that they would determine their resources are better spent elsewhere.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
It's complicated...
but even if the law was upheld after a challenge, the Feds could simply threaten to take away funding/aid that the state usually depends on to float its sizable anti-drug work.
I’d need to dig around this issue more, but I assume that if the initiative did pass the fact that Marijuana is still a Schedule I substance under the CSA would’ve given the Feds the ammo to argue that the law usurped federal law (not unlike SB1070).
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 3, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you familiar with the body of work of the current Supreme Court?
That question was rhetorical, actually, because the answer is clearly no.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 3, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...it went up in smoke.....
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
i'll be here all week
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Duh-Dum-Dssh
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by Zachary Beard on Nov 3, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
you must have been high.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Observe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2spZ-NDfS4
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by Zachary Beard on Nov 3, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Disappointed this wasn't a Tool video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2F_hGwD26g
NSFW, probably.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 3, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently, it was polling well but then Obama declared Federal Laws would still apply
and that killed its momentum. One of the Prop 19 leaders was on CNN last night and he said, “Prop 19 is a now a mainstream issue because of our efforts,” and rambled on about pot legalization gaining traction across the country. LOL, whatever you damn hippie.
Your mother.
meh - it never polled THAT well
I voted against it because the prop itself was written badly. Lots of props are written with language that is soft, confusing or too narrow.
Where's my sticker?
The one that says “I VOTED”, only printed in orange and black?
Look forward to voting again tomorrow.
Has there ever been a cooler Oriole than Eddie Murray? I mean, just straight up cool. Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08
The whole vote, delete your cookies, and vote again strategy didn't seem to work
Although my comp froze when I was trying to delete them so I dunno. But I voted anyways.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
your question of the day has been added
With the surprising news of Juan Samuel’s return to the fold as infield and third base coach, I knew there would be groans and rampant usage of the word “windmill” (Bonus Question of the Day: Are there any third base coaches not nicknamed “The Windmill”?), but it is obviously rather difficult to accurately assess his job performance. How do you all do it?
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Yeah, I use the more scientific "times I've yelled at screen" stat
I dunno, I have no problem with this. For every clearly-out play at the plate, there’s a shitty throw from the outfield and a free run.
the George W Bush approach! never fails.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
It is really tough
I think in order to be able to properly evaluate, we would need a lot more than what is available to us right now. We could look at percentage of runners thrown out at the plate, but obviously not all of those are the third base coach’s fault. I think the only real way to evaluate would be to look at all the of the plays by video and determine individually what happened to get the runner thrown out.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
but you must have some notion
do you think juan samuel is a good third base coach?
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
My instinct says that he's not
While I certainly can’t name each individual instance, I can recall multiple instances where the second I saw him waving somebody home I felt ill knowing it was a horrible idea.
But I have no idea what he’s like compared to the average third base coach. I know everyone feels that way about their respective 3B coaches to some extent.
I do know that he named his son Sam Samuel, which just seems cruel.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
bwahahaha that's rich
I liked when Jamie Walker, Son! named his son Jim Leyland Walker and then was all like “uhhh, it’s a coincidence”.
I miss basically everything about Jamie Walker, Son! except what happened inside the lines.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
One of my professors
named her son Daniel Dan. That poor, poor kid.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
There was a kid in my high school named Richard Ram...
he had a tough time. As a parent, you need to do some analysis before giving your kid a name.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
My instinct is that he's not
but that it doesn’t really matter.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
They don't do a UZR or whatever for 3rd base coaches?
New bullshit statistic time!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 3, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
lol I'm sure somebody could come up with one.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
wStOP
weighted Stupid Outs Prevented
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
by Vuff on Nov 3, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think we should really try to get this on fangraphs
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 3, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
wStOP = 0.538 * (FPt+FPc) / R
FPt = fielding % of thrower
FPc = fielding % of catcher
R = RPM of 3B coach right arm
by OsNBohs on Nov 3, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Ahahahaha
R = RPM of 3B coach right arm
That deserves a rec.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Don't forget to add in the 40 time for the base runner...
and possibly their body weight…
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 3, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
which way does body weight adjust the number?
Yeah, it slows them down. But it also means they can Adam Dunn the catcher into the middle of next week. ( I guess that means we add an adjuster for temperment/greeny utilization too)
Has there ever been a cooler Oriole than Eddie Murray? I mean, just straight up cool. Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08
by 33 on Nov 3, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
That was actually what I was thinking...
maybe we could come up with a number that incorporated the ratio of the catch and runner’s bodyweight…plus some other unnamed statistic like “toughness”…
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 3, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
And we'd have to look at the situation...
if there are two outs, and Izturis is up next, I have no problems sending a runner if it’s going to be close at the plate and hope for a bad throw. If there are no outs and Luke up next, then I do have a problem.
A third base coach needs to know his runners’ abilities, the throwing abilities of every outfielder in the league, and needs to be able to assess the situation before the ball is hit to know whether its a smart baseball move to take a risk. Then he needs to be able to make a quick determination of the risk level depending on the actual events taking place. And he needs to command the respect of the players to not run through stop signs.
There are a lot of things that goes into each decision, and it is all way beyond me to determine whether someone is good at the job.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
If I didn't have a full-time job already...
I think the only real way to evaluate would be to look at all the of the plays by video and determine individually what happened to get the runner thrown out
…I might actually be tempted.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
what we can look at
is how many outs were made on the basepaths and how many extra bases were taken. That’s information easily available. In fact, I’ve already got some of it!
The Orioles in 2010 (and I know Sammy wasn’t around for most of it) made an out on the basepath 2.75% of the time. That is, if a runner reached base, he had a 97.25% chance of not getting himself out (this doesn’t count caught stealing or pickoffs or force outs). This made us 3rd best in our division, with the Red Sox being the best (2.28%) and the Blue Jays being the worst (3%).
My real takeaway is that whoever it was was right, baserunning is very much a niche thing, costing maybe a win or so over the course of a season.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Hm,
where are you getting those numbers? No idea where to find them.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
pish
Math is so last year
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 3, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah, found it.
Somehow missed the team baserunning stats earlier. Interesting.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Thanks for the analysis
Data always trumps anecdotal recollection.
"windmill" (Bonus Question of the Day: Are there any third base coaches not nicknamed "The Windmill"?),
Huh? Yeah plenty. Davey Lopes, for example, who we should get!
Your mother.
he was a first base coach
but thanks for playing!
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
doh, my bad
Perlozzo is the 3rd base coach. He’s another windmill but he’s also a former Oriole.
Your mother.
Sorry to change the subject
but does anyone have a link that lists all 142 free agents? And how much they were paid in 2010?
not in one place, but
pending free agents (MLB fanhouse)
team by team MLB contracts (Cot’s)
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Uhm...
Everybody Loves Raymond is funny? Whaaa?
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
by NewYorkOriole on Nov 3, 2010 9:33 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Just like LeBron is the best NBA player ever. Both are exaggerated lies
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by Zachary Beard on Nov 3, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Expanding thought
what about the rest of the coaching staff? How are we to judge Mark Connor versus Rick Kranitz (versus Leo Mazzone)? Or Wayne Kirby versus T-Bone Shelby? Or, worse still, Don Wakamatsu versus Jeff Datz?
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
i'll say this...
i love the name jeff datz, but it’s not NEARLY as fun to say as don wakamatsu.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 3, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
If we can find a guy named Datz Wakamatsu we need to hire him!
by O! on Nov 3, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
huh...
that could really be the name of a character from a star wars movie.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 4, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno,
but I want Davey Lopes.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
With the usual caveats
about not knowing how much coaches actually help and all that, he’s the best in the businees at helping guys steal bases.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I should say,
“…reputedly the best…”
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
is that true?
I ask largely because I am not familiar with Davey Lopes.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
He was here before...
and fun fact – he was succeeded twice by Jerry Royster (once as 1BC her in Baltimore and a second time as Manager in Milwaulkee).
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 3, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
edit: her = here
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 3, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
It's definitely true that he has that reputation.
I’m crunching numbers.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Well,
I just looked at SB% on his teams over the years, and he certainly didn’t work any magic with the Padres. And the Phillies had good SB% for three years before he got there — they improved a bit after he arrived, but from ~79% (2004 – 2006) to ~84% (2007 – 2010). So, who knows how much of it is actually true. Still, all else being equal, I’d rather go with the guy who’s supposedly good with these sorts of things, when we’ve got guys like Adam, Nick, and Felix, who really seem like they should be able to turn their speed into more SB.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Addendum, which makes him seem to have more of an impact:
http://crashburnalley.com/2010/11/02/how-do-you-replace-davey-lopes/
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Yes, it is.
Please look at this article.
http://crashburnalley.com/2010/11/02/how-do-you-replace-davey-lopes/
Your mother.
Sweet. Though I prefer Pepsi.
Did you see the comments under that post? If the Phils honestly let him go over ~$50k, there has to be something else going on, doesn’t there?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
It also sounded like he wasn't totally happy with his role
maybe the phillies wanted to give him a little less autonomy under the new contract. Might not be the best fit for Buck if that the case, but i think it’d be worth a phone call to see if they could work together.
Yeah...
One the one hand, there’s this:
“We just had a difference of opinion on what I felt my worth was,” Lopes said by telephone. “That’s all. It was a really tough decision because I loved my time in Philadelphia, I loved working for [manager] Charlie Manuel, and I have the utmost respect for everyone in that organization.”One the other, there’s this (same article):
“Believe me, I wasn’t looking to break the bank,” [Lopes] said. “They made a good offer. I just think sometimes you get pigeonholed as a first-base coach, and I view my situation differently than other first-base coaches in that I had a lot more responsibility than that. I guess you could say it’s a principle type thing. But I move on without hard feelings. I mean that. My time in Philadelphia was great.”I don’t know whether to read that bolded bit as “they wanted to decrease my responsibilities” or “they decided 1B coaches get paid $x, and I deserve more than that.” The conspiracy theories about his revealing Utley’s injury seem over the top, but maybe there really were some related tensions; who knows?
Regardless, if Andy and Buck aren’t interested, they’re crazy.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Also,
I know you don’t believe you, Andrew, can’t quantify coach performance. And I agree. But I don’t think that means we should just give up offering up any opinion.
Your mother.
oh, don't misunderstand
I’ve upgraded my opinion about coaches. I was not familiar with Mr. Lopes previous to those links and comments, and that was the only reason why I asked why. He seems like a very astute dude, and I wonder why he wasn’t given such free reign in San Diego and Washington (where the stolen base numbers are…not good).
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Jon Garland is now a free agent
I wonder if he could survive in the AL East.
by LoveForTheGame13 on Nov 3, 2010 12:23 PM EDT reply actions
Right...
we won’t have room after we sign Cliff Whatshisname.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 3, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Burton?
Oh, wait….he’s dead. Nevermind.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 3, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Cliff 'em All!
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 3, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Pennington?
I’d take him, but he’s under team control.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
with our luck?
it’ll be Politte…
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 3, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I hope either NY, Bos, Tampa, or Toronto sign him and we get to find out
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 3, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
listening to Obama press conference
every question so far is a variation of, “So how does it feel to be failure.”
Your mother.
Much of the press corps should be asking themselves that question.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 3, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not qualified
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
so i've decided that my reaction to yesterday's election
is to take comfort in the fact that google will be running the country in 10 years anyway
will they be changing their name to Skynet?
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
They'll gamble in markets traditionally regarded as non-profit: hospitals, prisons, space exploration
Good business is where you find it.
I am enjoying this
Mobbies battle with OH much too much
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
There's a certain guilty pleasure in blog wars
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 3, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you been reading my conversation with Scottie and Tony on OH?
I feel like they’re totally good cop/bad cop-ing me.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Here's the thread
http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103851
My first post is #50
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I've been reading all of Tony and Scottie's comments
using the South Park lispy voiceover voice in my head. It’s amaaaazing
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Either way, you sure didn’t stop the slam-athon, which is certainly your right. BTW, whoever that duck character is on your site really hates me. Sad really, and unhealthy. Reminds me of some of the yahoos on the Sun board who have a strong hate for me and the site for whatever reasons.
What? So people can’t dislike you w/o it being “unhealthy.”
Your mother.
I'm gonna start calling him, "that duck character."
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I aspire to one day be referred to as "that Esskay character" or something similar
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 3, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
"that fucking Esskay character"
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
That would be even more awesome.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 3, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, your criticisms were very polite and innocent
And yet he still he took it personally (i.e., “Um, I’m pretty sure you were well involved in the Pente is an idiot thread…”). He rubs me the wrong way. I’ll give him props for remaining professional and polite on most of the other comments in that thread. But it’s comments like that and the one I just quoted above that rub me the wrong way. Thin skinned and inflated sense of importance certainly come to mind.
Your mother.
One of my pet peeves
is people who start sentences with, “Um…”
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Ha,
I’m pretty sure I do that for 5-10% of my comments here.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
That's why I hate you 5-10% more than the other posters.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Only 5-10%?
I’m not doing too badly, then.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Ah, good point.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Stacey does not hate CC
She just hates you!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
and he even agreed with your criticisms!
But yet he thinks you were dog piling on him? I don’t get it.
Your mother.
hmmm
well, i guess he feels that you shouldn’t have let that thread even happen in the first place. i really disagree with that. if a thread pops on OH that trashes CC, people should be allowed to express that opinion.
Your mother.
I should have told him
That Rob Dibble and I are sorry he’s a moron.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
by Stacey on Nov 3, 2010 4:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If a thread pops on OH that trashes on CC...
then Tony started it, because it ISNT A FUCKING BLOG.
:)
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I'm fairly certain I've never attacked Tony for anything other than his ego
and the HORRIBLE design on that site. It’s unreadable.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
Pretty much...
the times I’ve gone over there it feels like the episode of Seinfeld where Elaine has bizarro friends. The site itself is ugly and I feel all dirty…
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 3, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
ha!
FELD-MAAAANNN!
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
Oh, and way to come to my defense - NOT
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
Don't get your feathers ruffled.
"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 3, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Boy, I'm usually against violence against children
But I also don’t believe in absolutes.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
by duck on Nov 3, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and you have guns....
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Yeesh, I make a pun about duck and a duck having feathers
And he threatens violence.
"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 3, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure he gets that a lot tho
Like Dr. Christmas Jones from James Bond. She took a lot of shit.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Who is it I'm supposed to hate?
I go there maybe once every 3 months, so I don’t really know who’s who.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
I have, and they are
you have to go all Bodie on them. Tell’em to suck your dick. See what happens.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
ahahahaah I know what would happen if I told them to suck my dick
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
BANNED?
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 3, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, although to be fair
If someone seriously told me to suck their dick, I’d ban them too.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I think Herc and Carv tried to ban Bodie too.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 3, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
and...
herc never found out where to get one of those sideways baseball caps.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
I always loved that line...
but still – it didn’t seem to me that Herc would’ve been smart/witty enough to come up with it.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 3, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
totally...
but it’s a fine line b/w clever and stupid, no?
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
Fucking Gus Triandos...
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 3, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
how much more black can it be?
and the answer is, “none”. “None more black.”
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Either you just made the most profound comment ever, or you just turned this blog into Mel Gibson. Take your choice.
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by Zachary Beard on Nov 3, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
it's actually a riff off of jq's line
both are from spinal tap.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
smell the glove!
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 4, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Mobbies
So CC doesn’t have a shot at winning now that Tony’s Take has been added? I know OH gets a lot of traffic but CC gets a ton of traffic from yahoo.
Your mother.
Also their website sucks and ours is awesome
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 3, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
but Tony sez
Also, I do a lot of blog like comments on this message board. Since our site is old (we will be redesigned this offseason)
Can’t wait to see what it ends up looking like.
His traffic makes our looks anemic
He’s Google to our AltaVista.
They’re gonna trash us. Oh, well.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
well, they aren't a blog
so we’ll just beat Roch and that’ll be pretty awesome.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
i was hoping CC closed the gap once SBN joined forces with yahoo
but oh well. Tony may not be a popular figure, and I think for valid reasons, but OH is a good site. Tony’s Take certainly deserves to be nominated. I hope it loses though.
Your mother.
whatever...
we can take solace in not having a stupid name like orioles hangout. it’s like they’ve got johnny bench and the san diego chicken rollin up in there.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
AHAHAAHAAHAAHA
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines.aspx?sport=MLB&hl=308182
Industry sources tell Jon Heyman of SI.com that Derek Jeter may ask the Yankees for a six-year contract this winter.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Jeter's agent isn't even Scott Boras
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 3, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to guess
5yrs, 100-125mil. Then he could threaten to go to bos/nym if they don’t pay up. Either way I love this scenario. The guys a living corpse in the field
by GeoffreyA on Nov 3, 2010 7:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And at the plate these days.
The stache is back!
by Knubles and Bits on Nov 3, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess we're not getting Davey Lopes...
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/2010/11/wayne_kirby_agrees_to_be_oriol.html
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I don't really think it's indicative, but
The Williamsburg, Virginia native stole 44 bases in his big-league career, including 17 (out of 22 chances) in 1993 while with the Indians.
That’s hysterical. Wow! Forty-four whole bases!
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
And caught 21 times.
That’s not exactly inspiring. I guess maybe he knows what NOT to do?
I assume there’s a reason they’re hiring him, especially given that he’s never coached in the majors — he has nine years in the minors, at least. Guess we’ll see.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
On the plus side,
we have a new name-related meme. I expect pink puffballs at OPaCY if this guy ends up being popular with the fans.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I bet Kirby has some epic yarns to spin
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Excellent.
I think I need to put that on my Christmas list… I’ve never gotten into the Kirby games, but it’s apparently very different gameplay-wise, and the art style is amazing.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I always thought Kirby was the easiest games ever
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by the fix is in on Nov 3, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Are there any good free agents that would realistically sign with us?
I know what you’re going to say but people other than you-know-who.
Where are my shoelaces?
Derek Jeter?
j/k…
you must be talking about Jon Garland.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 3, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm, hard to say obviously
but I’d imagine all of the DH guys and most of the first basemen (Dunn being an exception) jump out as serious candidates, as do all of the shortstop options…and of course any and all type A relievers are welcome in Birdland!
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
She was asking about "realistic" options though
All of the DH guys and 1Bs won’t realistically sign here. The best ones likely won’t.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
What about Dunn
He signed with Natinals, why wouldn’t he sign with us?
"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 3, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a stupid argument
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
He just doesn't want to have to play with God's Greatest Creation
"If people don't want to come out to the ballpark, how are you going to stop them?" Yogi Berra
I'm looking at the list of first base dudes
and I don’t see anybody who isn’t totally unfeasible. Except for Dunn, assuming their are big time teams who go after him.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Totally infeasible is one thing
Realistic is another.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Okay, well let me put it this way
if we wanted them, I believe it a realistic possibility for the Orioles to sign any of the free agent first basemen except Adam Dunn (and I’ll add Paul Konerko to the pile, too, I guess), as well as non-Derek Jeter shortstops, and any non-Mariano Rivera closers.
That does not mean the Orioles would or should want any of those jerkfaces, but I can see all of them signing with the Orioles, and a part of that is the wide market for DHs/first basemen/closers means I don’t know who will be targeted by whom, and the bad shortstop class means they’d be foolish to turn down any team.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
I agree...but she was still talking about good FAs that might sign here
Not sure I’d really want any of the crummy SS options and many of the 1B options aren’t that great either. As for the “good” FAs, I’m not sure how many of them would really be looking at the Orioles.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
well, okay
I’m still a Derrek Lee booster and I think that’s realistic
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Ah see...I think Derrek Lee just isn't good anymore
You’re right….completely realistic, but I don’t think he was that great in the NL last year and don’t think he’ll be getting much better against AL pitching (especially that of the AL East).
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
well
his walk rate was level, his K-rate was up a bit but not excessively so, his defensive rep is still good, his batting average on balls in play hit a 5 year low despite the line drives being there, his power is down but he’s still a 20 home run guy…
I mean, he’s not a GREAT player, but he’s still pretty good and fits what the team is looking for, and is probably one of if not the best options on the free agent market (assuming he is not offered arbitration). At the very least, he’s way better than the other stopgaps we’ve been trotting out there.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Oh I completely agree
It’ll just depend on what he’s offered. He’ll want what…2-3 maybe even more years? Hope its not a huge deal. I just think he’ll get way more than he’s worth, just like that beaver-esque thing we trotted out at first to start last season.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
We aren't going to get great players
If we ever develop a good farm system we should be able to field a passable/good team with promising young players and a few decent veterans.
Or am I dreaming?
Where are my shoelaces?
Well, the definition of good is relative
There are some “bounce back” candidates I like and I feel are realistic targets. But if you are talking about Matt Holliday caliber, I think the answer is no.
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Nov 3, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Titans claim Moss from waviers
Bills claim Merriman
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
So the Skins didn't go after him?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Shanny's got enough drama to deal with right now with McNabb, I guess.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
not to mention...
the lurking behemoth known as albert haynesworth.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
And Jamarcus “He’s a quarterback?” Russell.
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by Zachary Beard on Nov 3, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
They're good with JaMarcus Russell.
"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 3, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
So Beltre is a free agent
Are we going after him?
Doubtful.
I doubt The Warehouse has given up on Bell so soon.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Odds he gets a major league contract?
I’m giving it 20%. When is supposed to be back to the mound in 2011?
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Nov 3, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
5%
He had shoulder surgery in August. i doubt anyone wastes a roster space on him. A minor league deal is much more appropriate.
Your mother.
this
I would def take him on a minor league deal. He could be worth the risk.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Odds and Ends from MLBTraderumors.com
Shortstops:
Jose Reyes had his option picked up by the Mets
Orlando Cabrera’s option was declined by the Reds. He only qualified as a Type B FA if offered arb.
Others:
Vlad Guerrero had his option declined by the Rangers, But he will be a Type A FA if he is offered arb.
Russell Branyan had his option declined by the Mariners. He is not a ranked FA.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Branyan was the Mariners' top power hitter last year
so that’s a little bit like being the world’s tallest midget but Guerrero seems to produce wherever he goes, I’d have no problem trying him out as a DH
FREE LAVELLE HAWKINS
I <3 Pat McAfee
by danielreese05 on Nov 3, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if this link's been posted here at some point,
but even if it has, it’s totally worth posting it again. NSFW (language).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85t_gkuH5Ho
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
How do you find this stuff?
I’m gonna put you in charge of my video farewell message at my funeral.
Hahaha.
I guess I just have way too much time on my hands.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I can't vote for the Mobbies at work because of all the firewalls our I.T. Nazis put up
So I voted when I got home. Being somewhat curious, and because of today’s earlier comments, I went to the OH link to take a look at what their place is like. Am I missing something, or is no cursing allowed on their website? Everyone there sounds so prissy, proper and dorky. Why would you want to vote for a website where you can’t say fuck? That’s just fucking stupid. Just please curse…….. responsibly.
yes, their etiquette rules are very different
They are much more likely to remove posts based on what they view as improper.
Your mother.
Unfortunately, SBN kinda frowns on profanity on the front page.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 3, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
F%^& them. That is all…
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by Zachary Beard on Nov 3, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Orioles Hangout is lucky to be on the fucking Internet
Earl’s opinion
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Because they are a bunch of fucking fuck-faces
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by Zachary Beard on Nov 3, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I probably shouldn’t cuss like that anymore because of the current state of my signature. My goal is to clean up a little….
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by Zachary Beard on Nov 3, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
What the fuck is the big deal?
"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 3, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I draw the line at young children using fuck words
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
What the fuck
there is more than 1?
"If people don't want to come out to the ballpark, how are you going to stop them?" Yogi Berra
I am SO telling your dad.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
Better get the soap ready
"If people don't want to come out to the ballpark, how are you going to stop them?" Yogi Berra
Go right ahead.
"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 3, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I just mobbied CC in the face
Best Orioles Blog on the Web, hands down
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How about the Republicans destroying the Dems yesterday?
What? What?
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It actually kinda makes me feel like John Wall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFoq2PFig7I
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by Zachary Beard on Nov 3, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
All I'm saying is...
“Be careful what you wish for – you just might get it.”
Republicans now own this economy, and will be held to credit or blame in 2 years. Good luck with that. It’s ALL YOURS NOW.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
Are you kidding me? They are they to prevent anymore unnecessary spending. They are cleaning up after the mess that Dumb-a$$ has managed to make in the past 2 years.
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by Zachary Beard on Nov 3, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahaha yeah this mess was made in the last two years...
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Um - you don't want to start that way...
many of us differ on politics. We even argue about it from time to time. But don’t come in with that “Shit Rush Limbaugh Said” unless you really want people to get at you.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 4, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
My response lays in your signature… But seriously, you can’t say you aren’t happy to see the spending stop.
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by Zachary Beard on Nov 3, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't believe i'm getting sucked into this, but
Stopping spending is the absolute worst thing we can do right now
I wasn't trying to instigate
I was just poking a little fun.
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by Zachary Beard on Nov 3, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Poking a little fun is instigating.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 3, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I Got you
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by Zachary Beard on Nov 3, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I've got some bad news for you
Republicans in power does not equate to spending stopping.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 3, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Sadly, this.
We’ll probably continue to drive off a cliff, just at 65 mph rather than 80. :P
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
More time to think of a plan to stop the car?
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by Zachary Beard on Nov 3, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
It's way too late to actually have this argument,
so let’s do the short version. You like Keynes, I like Hayek; I say spending doesn’t work and history shows it, you say it’s never gone far enough. Completely different bases; nobody can convince anybody about this stuff in an in-person debate, let alone the internet; we agree to disagree.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
by Vuff on Nov 3, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OK
Fair enough
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by Zachary Beard on Nov 3, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Or CC to say the least
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by Zachary Beard on Nov 3, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
best. cc. political. comment. ever.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I was just thinking that
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
Instead, what's going to happen is this:
We buy a new car. It’s probably not made in America. We pay too much for the car and the profit goes to people who spent millions of dollars secretly in this past election thanks to Citizens United. The car eats up a lot of gas, which profit also goes to Republican donor oil executives. Every time you start the car up there is a 1% chance it explodes.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 3, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and when the car explodes and kills you, the insurance company doesn't pay your family because car bombs aren't covered.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 3, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I am moving
Car bombs not covered in insurance after what this country has gone through how has it come down to this.
"If people don't want to come out to the ballpark, how are you going to stop them?" Yogi Berra
I guess 2000-2008 wasn't enough time for the GOP...
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I keep forgetting that there was a surplus when Obama took over!
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
what the hell?
when the republicans had controlled the house, senate, and presidency from 1996-2006, they nearly doubled the deficit.
why on earth do you think they’ll cut spending?
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
and refuse...
to mention any plans to cut anything specifically, other than “discretionary” spending. Ignoring that outside of a fairly narrow class of spending (SS, Medicare, Disability, etc.) everything is discretionary.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 4, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Chris Matthews took Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R) Tenn to task on this very issue the other night
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 4, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Which was beautiful...
especially how he blew up later at Michelle Bacchman for speaking as if she was a robot.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 4, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
"Are you hypnotized right now?"
hahaha
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Nov 4, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget about Rand Paul wanting to eliminate most of the federal government.
I’m sure that would cut spending without sacrificing quality of life for citizens…
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
At least he has specific cuts in mind
I disagree with just about all of them, but I’ll give him points for at least saying what he would cut.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
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