Friday Bird Droppings
by Stacey on Nov 5, 2010 7:55 AM EDT
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My fellow Birdlandians, I owe you an apology. I wrongly assumed that we would get steamrolled by the masses at Orioles Hangout, but you have proven me wrong. With the voting for the Mobbies reaching the halfway point, we are holding strong with Goliath. Today is our second consecutive day in first place in the Orioles category. We remain the underdog, to be certain, but my faith has been renewed thanks to your loyalty and tenacity. Please continue voting daily (including over the weekend!). To quote our favorite bubble blowing centerfielder, "We might as well just win this."
And while you're voting for us, don't forget the rest of the SB Nation ticket. Vote Testudo Times for best Terps blog and Baltimore Beatdown for best Ravens blog.
Question of the Day: In case you missed it, free agency rules are a little different this year, with everybody being granted free agency (no more filing for it) immediately and the exclusive negotiating window reduced to five days (instead of fifteen) after the World Series ends. That means, in theory, that there will be more hot stove news sooner...but walking-definition-of-conservative Andy MacPhail is undoubtedly still going to take his time. Is this a fatal flaw of our fearless leader, or merely a harmless (albeit annoying) quirk? -Andrew
Links!
Sparky Anderson, Hall of Fame manager of Reds and Tigers, dies at 76
Former major leaguer Wayne Kirby agrees to become Orioles' first base coach and outfield instructor
T-Bone is out, Kirby is in. He'll be the first base coach and outfield instructor. So that's Kirby, Jim Presley, and Rick Adair who have been added to the staff. Juan Samuel is being brought back to coach third, and Mark Connor will probably be the pitching coach. That just leaves bench coach, which will hopefully go to Don Wakamatsu so that I can hear Jim Palmer try to pronounce his name on a regular basis.
The Dodgers sign Jay Gibbons | HardballTalk
Well crap! Guess we gotta go with our backup plan of Carl Crawford.
The View from Sarasota - Upgrades at Ed Smith Stadium
Roar From 34 has some recent pictures posted of the construction of the Orioles' spring home. Is it February 13th yet?
Tigers decline Peralta option; return possible | MLB.com: News
It looks like Jhonny Peralta will return to the Tigers, but would you be interested in him for the Orioles?
Giants decline Renteria's 2011 option | MLB.com: News
Or how about Edgar Renteria? He's only 57 years old.
Carl Crawford and Jayson Werth out of Yankees offseason plans, Cliff Lee tops free agent wish list
As expected, the Yankees are going to give Cliff Lee the royal treatment in their attempts to woo him to the dark side, but they are apparently not interested in Crawford.
Nationals lurking in Cliff Lee sweepstakes - ESPN Dallas
I wonder if "lurking" is different than "lying in the weeds," and if so, how?
School of Roch: Mata clears waivers; this and that (updated)
Bruce Chen wants a multi-year deal. He always was a jokester.
Inbox: When will coaching staff be set? | orioles.com: News
In the latest edition of the Inbox, O's beat reporter Brittany Ghiroli answers questions about Buck Showalter's coaching staff, possible trades and how the pitching staff is shaping up for 2011. -duck
Orioles Insider: Mata outrighted to Triple-A
Frank Mata has been outrighted to Norfolk, which allows the Orioles to add Jason Berken back onto the 40-man roster from the 60-day disabled list. -duck
So vote for the open thread, because it doesn't even want to go to college, and it doesn't care, and as president it won't do anything. The only promise the open thread will make is that if elected it will immediately dismantle the student government, so that none of us will ever have to sit through one of these stupid assemblies again!
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RIP Sparky, your Big Red Machine was often formidable -- if no match for You Know Who in 1970 or the F#ckin' A's in '72
Re “I wonder if ‘lurking is different [from] ’lying in the weeds,’ and if so, how?”
1. Yes.
2. The former seems to be a synonym for “reading”: no one is accused of “living in the weeds” while visiting a website, while people are charged with “lurking” at such places.
OK, I’m off to lurk a little Dostoevsky…
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
And I’m back. Hey, if I were Bruce Chen — playing for my 23 team in 13 yrs or something — I’d want a multi-year deal too. I mean, the guy probably doesn’t have Anomaly Year No. 3 in him; you’re only supposed to get one, after all…
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Ha!
When I logged on to vote the Overall standings read 6) Tony’s Take 7) Camden Chat
After I voted the standings read 6) Camden Chat 7) Tony’s Take
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
You're a trend setter
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
My, how the tables have turned.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
aw, they never were
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
awesome!
Remember if you want to vote for Camden Chat as best overall, it’s a separate vote at the top of the page. I just checked and now we’re 5th.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
A positive development in the '11 A-Gonz sweepstakes
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/11/04/adrian-gonzalez-wont-get-long-term-deal-with-padres-gm-says/
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
They are really pulling out all the stops for Ed Smith Stadium
Can’t wait to see what it looks like when it’s finished. Looking forward to making it a future March vacation destination.
Yeah I'm hoping to take a trip down there this coming spring
It looks like it’s gonna be fantastic.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I was planning on being lazy and going when they play in
Clearwater or Dunedin. But the schedule is pretty weak for that this year (two weekday afternoon games vs. Phillies and one SS game vs. Blue Jays). I might have to suck it up and take the hour and a half drive down to Sarasota… at least it is better than Ft. Lauderdale.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
I will be there March 18-21
although most time will be spent in clearwater (bachelor party – mostly phillies fans) we are taking a trip to ed smith to see the phils/o’s game. well since I am the best man and organizing all of this they will just have to deal…
Go to Lenny's before any Phillies ST games you go to.
Best breakfast within 200 miles. Get there early as it is PACKED before the games. But it is worth it. If you have an iron stomach, I suggest the Redneck Benedict. Half eggs benedict, half biscuits and gravy, all delicious!
You staying by the beach or by the stadium?
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
sounds godd - thanks
my cousin is a realator down there so she is hooking us up with a beach house somewhere. I am just surprised I got 6 guys to make a commitment this early to going.
If you are doing the strip club thing
I would suggest going to Tampa. There are a plethora of good ones on Dales Mabry, near the Bucs Stadium. It’s a hike from the beach, but they get sketchy in pinellas. If you happen to go over to Dale Mabry, and you are into craft beer, Cigar City Brewery is on Spruce St., and its the best around. They have a tasting room attached to the Brewery, and they fill growlers to go… just sayin’. There is a Yeungling factory, too, (since you guys are from Philly) but they only do tours M-F during the daytime. It’s a decent tour, and they give free samples after.
As for the beach… in March its gonna be packed, but that is a good thing because there are always a plethora of good looking ladies. Just don’t leave the beach during the day and expect to get back in under 2 hours. Traffic sucks. Sheppard’s is always a good time at night.
Good Luck… You guys should have a blast.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
I have to rec The Cajun Cafe on Park Blvd in Pinellas Park; great authentic cajun food and an awesome selection of craft beer on draft, including Cigar City and Stone.
One of the few things I miss about living in FL…
They are having their craft beerfest next Saturday...
all you can eat cajun food, and all you can drink craft beer. sorry didn’t mean to rub it in… ok maybe a little
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
Jim Johnson is arbitration eligible
That’s good news for him, but certainly cuts a hair deeper into the Orioles surplus this winter (although…honestly, the more I think about it, the less likely it is that there are players that the Orioles might realistically be in on that could actually cost enough to bring the O’s back to 2010 opening day payroll levels).
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
QotD
Andy is a slow poke, but I don’t think it’s hurt him so far. Can you think of anyone he’s missed out on because of his slowness? I think he’ll be fine. If he messes up this off-season it will be because he’s not willing to spend money on the good players, or he tries to find some more stupid reclamation projects like Garrett Atkins.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I tend to agree
and we certainly aren’t privy to the wheelings and dealings, but what I really wonder about is how much of an “extra mile” kind of recruiter he is. Is that overblown a bit? Maybe. But, for example, Roch was writing about Adam LaRoche yesterday and how he spurned the O’s for the same basic money in Arizona*. What if Andy had been more aggressive in a non-monetary way with LaRoche (not that Adam was great shakes or anything, but still)? Or was he (I doubt it, but that’s merely a hunch)? That’s what I really wonder about.
*Thus totally disproving the “Garret Atkins was always going to be our first basemen” that MacPhail tried to sell us. The Beav signed December 22. LaRoche signed January 13. Not that it would have made a big difference…but I totally could’ve swallowed F’Atkins a lot easier at third than at first.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
I never believed that "always the first baseman" thing
I guess that stuff like the LaRoche stuff we’ll never really know about, and while LaRoche would have saved us from F’Atkins (perhaps), how much would he have really helped?
I know this isn’t really about the question of the day at all but the most frustrating thing to me about Andy MacPhail is that, so far, he seems to be just buying these one year guys who won’t hurt or help the club in the long run, which makes it seem like he’s relying on the young guys on the team already to provide the contending core of this team. And that’s fine, but you gotta get SOME free agents that will do something.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
counterpoint
it isn’t like there have been a glutton of long-term fixes available on the free agent market, and the guys who are out there – like Carl Crawford or Matt Holliday – why would they come to Baltimore if the money is about the same and they can play in Boston or LA or New York or Philadelphia or Texas? We’d have to overpay by a crippling amount to bring them in, and that’s just really bad gee emming.
I really think we need to develop our own core before the long-term free agents will even really consider the Orioles a serious option. That’s just the sad truth about it.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
I agree with developing the core
And like we’ve said, it’s hard to really know what he thinks because no smart GM is going to put his thought process out there, but I guess it just irks me when I hear about how Garrett Atkins is being signed for a year because of Brandon Snyder and shit.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
im not sure that was a brandon snyder-based move
look at last year’s first base option list:
Hank Blalock TEX
Russell Branyan SEA
Carlos Delgado NYM (B)
Nomar Garciaparra OAK
Jason Giambi COL
Ross Gload FLA
Aubrey Huff DET
Nick Johnson WAS (B)
Adam LaRoche ATL (B)
Kevin Millar TOR
Robb Quinlan LAA
Matt Stairs PHI
Mike Sweeney SEA
Jim Thome LAD
Chad Tracy ARZ
Okay, so we gambled on one of the worst guys possible (who isn’t even on this list because he was non-tendered by Colorado)…but it ain’t exactly like there’s a guy worth even two years here.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
I know, I know
I guess I’m just frustrated. But I remember MacPhail saying, and maybe later I’ll go back and look for the quote, but that because of the minor league options coming up (Snyder, Bell), they think guys like Atkins and Tejada are good moves.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
well, with third base that seemed pretty smart
heck, Tejada was asked about Josh Bell at his press conference (whcih was hysterical). It didn’t work out, the prospects didn’t develop at the speed desired, but again, it would have been different if A-Rod and Evan Longoria and Chipper Jones were all available and in their primes.
In the context of “it’s Joe Crede or Miguel Tejada or Nick Johnson”, I think saying “Well, we have Brandon Snyder and Rhyne Hughes and Josh Bell and they might be ready in a year” is 100% the right thing to say.
This year it’s different, because Brandon Snyder is obviously not going to happen, and Andy can’t say “Well, we want Adrian Gonzalez, so we need a one year rental”.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
See i think waiting for next year's FA class was already part of the plan
If snyder/bell worked out, great, if not there are FA’s waiting for us to fit in. Not to mention most FA first basemen this year and last year aren’t good long term signings
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Nov 5, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
the problem is that that isn't a great plan
way too many variables, and if we end up without fielder/pujols/gonzalez, then where are we?
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
right where we are now
With someone like casey kotchman
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Nov 5, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
macphail...
i still sort of admire his wheeling and dealing abilities, but he definitely strikes me as a dude w/ a very orthodox approach to gee emming.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 5, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
you should have tried sitting in my "professional communications" class
nothing like lecturing about writing IEEE specifications.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
uh...
how about a 1st year legal research classs?
gag.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 5, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
really?
see, i at least thought the cases from the text were enjoyable.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 5, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
hmmm, yes...
basura.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 5, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
You're not making a very good argument
for Shakespeare being wrong.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
by duck on Nov 5, 2010 10:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"First kill all the lawyers," etc.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 5, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
damn straight...
if you’re TOO ethical, you’re not doing it right.
sike.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 5, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Guess who's off for teacher's filling out report cards>
"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 5, 2010 10:13 AM EDT reply actions
man, columbia schools give out days off like candy on halloween
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
seriously, does this kid ever go to school?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I'm like Bueller.
"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 5, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
do you cry when you look at Seurat?
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
No, but I love my Gordie Howe jersey I've got on.
"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 5, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
when cameron was in pharoah's land...
let my cameron go.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 5, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty impressed that BSF knows Ferris Bueller
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Seriously?
The movie’s a classic.
"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 5, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but how many other topics are you like, "wha?"
I mean, that movie was old when I was your age.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Well, we have used the Bueller reference on here several times.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 5, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I've seen it twice
It’s hard not to know a movie like that.
"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 5, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea...you're quite the classics repository
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 5, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
see the Sondheim musical based on it.....
Sunday In The Park With George.
It will blow your mind.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
His username acronym is BSF.
"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 5, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Knowledge is power!
School House Rock told me so.
"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 5, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
You're bringing up all the greatest hits today.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 5, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
What the hell? You already got off for Election Day.
What kind of Mickey Mouse school system actually schedules two off days in one week when no holidays are involved? I’m calling shenanigans.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 5, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
At least that kind of makes sense, though
Days off being consecutive. Tuesday and Friday off, that’s just weird.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 5, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
And we launched rockets and watch a movie on Monday, so only 2 real schooldays.
"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 5, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
On election day, it's obviously because most public schools are polling places
In MoCo at least, the quarter is ending so they gave the teachers a professional day. My school didn’t get off for Monday because we have like three bajilion days off a year. Only election day.
Where are my shoelaces?
Wish I got a pro day at the end of the quarter
Marking period ended today, and my grades are due 3 pm Monday. No day off Monday, though. Full slate of classes.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
So, the Blue Jays
traded cash or a PTBNL for Miguel Olivo, only to decline his option so that they can offer him arbitration and (hopefully) get a draft pick. Isn’t this the kind of thing the O’s should be doing, considering the money we have to spare?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/11/blue-jays-acquire-miguel-olivo.html
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
yeah that was a smart move by TOR
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
unless Olivo accepts arb
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Ha, yeah.
I doubt he will, but I’d get some schadenfreude out of that.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
How much is the 45th pick in the draft worth?
Is there any value to that pick? The Jays gave up $500K (Olivo buy out) and a PTBNL for that pick. It certainly seems like a good idea, but I wonder at what dollar amount would that strategy not be a good idea?
Librarians are hiding something
a top 50 pick? that's pretty dang valuable
and of course the red sox are doing the same thing with felipe lopez
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
right
But at what point does it no longer continue to be a good deal? $3M?
Librarians are hiding something
last year
victor wang for tht wrote:
I feel that the most reasonable projection for the value of Type A draft picks would be something between $3-5 million
Olivo is type B, so it probably drops to something like $2-3 million, right?
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Interesting
Thanks for posting that. I hate to be an iconoclast, but since I loathe UZR, I have a some difficulty accepting those values. However, it is a good guide at the very least. Just looking at random years supplemental picks, it does seem like this move could be a great one or completely irrelevant. I think what strikes me is why did the Rockies do this. Surely they aren’t oblivious to the value of these picks…
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Nov 5, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
their catching situation is different
they could simply not want to risk Olivo accepting. It’s sort-of win-win, since both teams got something when they weren’t going to, and they aren’t in direct competition with each other so there’s little downside.
The Orioles totally should have been in on this shit, though. It reflects poorly that they weren’t. If James F were still with us he’d be turning bright red and cursing at the top of his lungs.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
good news bad news for the orioles
The bad news is that we are very clearly behind the rest of our division in our manipulations and valuing of top 100 draft picks, which puts our weak farm system in a bad position to improve when its already behind everyone else.
The good news is that the players want to get rid of free agent compensation, so maybe our disadvantage will be shortlived if we don’t adapt.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
I was just looking at the list of Type A and Type B's
and the Rays have 4 Type A free agents and 3 Type B. That is a lot of potential draft picks. Obviously they won’t offer arbitration to all of them (Brad Hawpe?), but still, giving TB that many players to develop is pretty depressing.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
On the flipside, I suppose
They might not offer to Wheeler, Balfour, or Benoit for fear that they might accept while they are trying to shed payroll. In which case that would leave some solid bullpen arms available without compensation.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
yeah
the arbitration deal is awfully tricky for a team in tampa’s position. Boston could afford to gamble on those arms (since worse case scenario is a pretty solid bullpen), but the Rays, I would be surprised if most of their guys got arbitration offers.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Crawford and Soriano definitely
because they are both going to decline. The other 5 are tough. Wheeler and Balfour are both A level, and I don’t think anyone will give them a better deal than what they’ll get out of arbitration if it will cost the new team an early pick. So they would probably both accept arbitration. Hawpe is not getting offered, and will try to find whatever he can get (we could use a free-falling former Rockies slugger, right?). That leaves Pena and Benoit. Who knows what they’ll do with them.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
I am being forced to go to TGI Friday's for lunch
I mean, not that there are many options around here, but I hate that place.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
You go to TGIF on Friday.
Ha.
"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 5, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Ew gross
I hate Fridays and their damned microwaved disgusting food.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 5, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I know me too
It’s awful. And I tried to go to their website to at least look if anything on their menu doesn’t seem disgusting and doesn’t have 1000 calories in it, but it’s the worst website ever and has no nutritional info. That’s just wrong.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
That's probably because nothing there has less than 1000 calories
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Nov 5, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
just the atmosphere...
makes me angry. man, does that place bother me.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Nov 5, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
ugh
Generally speaking I do not like chain restaurants, but one perk of them is that I can normally at least check out the nutritional information before I get there. Fridays loses on all counts. Crappy chain restaurant, crappy food, crappy useless website.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Calorie Counter Android app
http://www.appbrain.com/app/calorie-counter-by-fatsecret/com.fatsecret.android
I went to the Olive Garden a few weeks ago and downloaded this app. I ended up getting a lunch portion of Chicken Scampi: 740 calories, 38g fat (58%), 14g Saturated Fat (70%), 1350 mg Sodium (56%). Could be worse, I guess.
I used to get Chicken Alfredo whenever I went there. I know alfredo isn’t ever mistaken for a healthy dish, but here’s the info: 1440 calories, 82g Fat (126%), 48g Saturated Fat (240%), 2070mg Sodium (86%).
That’s all on top of breadsticks (150 calories each), salad, and drinks.
Can you download new widgets?
I have the Epic and I hate Samsung widgets. I want a good clock/weather widget.
Your mother.
Yes
Here’s a good one:
http://mobiputing.com/2010/10/fancy-widget-relaunches-now-with-less-htc-sense-cloning/
It basically emulates the giant clock/weather widget on the Evo, but due to copyright concerns they just updated the styling a little bit (the new version is the picture on the right).
Now if you like to tinker with your phone and want to root it and install a custom ROM that removes all that Samsung BS, here’s a good link to get you started:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=716
Not for the faint of heart, but can be fun if you’re in to that sort of thing.
For me
I just use the stock Android analog clock and have a WeatherBug forecast widget on my homescreen.
I don't have any clock widget on mine
It’s right there in the top corner anyway. And I use Weather Channel’s widget.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Nice new feature from Baseball Reference
http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/9014
You can now do searches on free agents and sort by all the good stuff in the play index.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
My sides hurt from laughing at this
http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/3282ea33-97c8-4436-850b-2f316278b200.jpg
"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 5, 2010 10:59 AM EDT reply actions
QOTD
I don’t really think AM’s “deliberate” style matters. There’s no point in signing a guy like Danys Baez before the Braves can even decline offering him arbitration, just to be aggressive. I suppose there is aggressively smart and aggressively stupid, and most fall into the latter category. Plus, it’s not as if AM can’t make deadline deals, he has done it a few times already (Trachsel, Sherrill, Tejada).
What frustrates me more are some of his plans…giving up the pick for Gonzalez, not utilizing the Rule 5 more effectively, wasting at bats and playing time on guys who have very little chance to be on the next good Oriole team.
Librarians are hiding something
Tony Pente is a whiny little kid.
http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2289483&postcount=116
There’s a reason I don’t pay to post on that site.
"I'd like to do something. We all would here," he added. "As I've said before, you just don't want to do anything stupid that you're thinking in May, 'What in the God's green earth was I thinking about?'" - Andy MacPhail 12/8/09
I think you have officially joined that duck character on his enemies list
Librarians are hiding something
well
I got banned after my first post there.
"I'd like to do something. We all would here," he added. "As I've said before, you just don't want to do anything stupid that you're thinking in May, 'What in the God's green earth was I thinking about?'" - Andy MacPhail 12/8/09
by getxstoked on Nov 5, 2010 11:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What was it?
You idiots?
"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 5, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I may have called someone a crybaby.
(I totally called someone a crybaby)
"I'd like to do something. We all would here," he added. "As I've said before, you just don't want to do anything stupid that you're thinking in May, 'What in the God's green earth was I thinking about?'" - Andy MacPhail 12/8/09
They just need to harden the....
Oh, yeah, I’m not home. Better not finish that sentence.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
I just got banned after my first post today
Click to enlarge
I posted under the name I’ve had for TWO YEARS over there…
“You keep saying that…
(then I quote Tony’s insult that "some blog owners don’t have anything better to do than vote for their own sites1000 times a day)
but it’s not true. Even a cursory look at CC shows all the main mods have jobs, even that duck character."
And I sent an email to Stacey saying I bet I had 10 minutes left.
Sure enough, I went back today and he’s banned me. Forever. I can’t even read the forum. Can’t access it at all.
I really, really, really want to beat him now. Not that I care about winning, but knowing how much it would piss him off for them to lose.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
No, that one was special for me, I'm guessing.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
That's cold
We better beat the shit out of him in this contest.
Pardon my French, duck.
Where are my shoelaces?
If it was French, it would be "merde"
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
I was unaware you knew French
That’s just something my dad always says after he curses.
Where are my shoelaces?
I'm a man of mystery...
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
grrr,
you were perfectly polite too. totally uncalled for by Tony. does he have an email address? I might compose a politely worded email.
Your mother.
As I tell my wrestlers
The best revenge is ALWAYS the scoreboard.
And Stacey can vouch for the non-jerk nature of my response.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
It's not about revenge
He controls a major, non-newspaper, community for Orioles news. That’s an important responsibility and he’s acting unprofessionally. That type of behavior is a disservice to the Orioles fan community.
Your mother.
Oh, in my case, it's about revenge :)
And is it really that major? I know no one outside of CC who’s ever heard of it, let alone on it.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
no, it's not a huge deal
And for that reason, i’m not looking to start an anti-OH campaign. I’m just looking to write a simple email which Tony may or may not read.
Your mother.
Click on their contact page
His OH email addy is there.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
And a meme is born!
No place for you over here, Duckman!
It’s like a bad line from the villian in a 50’s superhero tv show.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Banned in sixty seconds!
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Nov 5, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Gee. Your post doesn't appear there anymore.
I AM SHOCKED! SHOCKED! TO SEE THAT TONY CENSORS DISSENT!
and then there’s this:
No offense to Stacy at Camden Chat, but there is no way she’s out voting us. Let’s remember, the same people behind this vote are the same people who took us out after the voting started. Something fishy is going on.
OOOOOOO, IT’S A CONSPIRACY!!!!!! STACEY IS PUTTING A SPELL ON THE BALTIMORE SUN!!!
Whatever, honestly at this point, I really don’t care…
__________________
Actions Speak Louder than Words
Bwahahahaha! Oh Tony, methinks you really DO care. Because in your actions, you’re spending a LOT of time and webspace talking about what a fraud the Mobbies are.
He’s contradicting his own sig line. See that kids? It’s called irony!
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I love the fact he completely dismisses the possibility we're winning legitimately
Stacey, sitting at home, couldn’t possibly be pushing refresh enough times to beat them!
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
Well, I have no life and therefore have plenty of time to cheat the system
This Stacy character, on the other hand, is way too busy for those kind of shenanigans.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Wouldn't it be the reverse?
You seem like a pretty busy gal to me. I bet Stacy’s a straight-up slacker.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
If that's too small to read
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4644018/CC/Duckman.jpg
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
careful
that image shows a copyright at the bottom. they may sue you for intellectual property theft.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Not properly formatted - no year stated
And they’d have to send a cease and desist first.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
wait....you have a job?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
He does realize you can only vote once very 24 hours?
"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 5, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
It takes a while for some folks over there to catch on to things
Lot of dim bulbs. Tony seems like a real classy “respectful” guy.
Look at his fucking profile picture...
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 5, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok so that was a bit much...
but that site still isn’t a blog and looks like 90s and the internet had a baby.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 5, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
One of the guys has a Duke avatar
Nuff said.
"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Nov 5, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that the fairest way to hold any kind of contest
Is to let each person only vote once. But it says from the get-go that you can vote once per day, which is what I have been doing, and what I’ve been encouraging others to do (and which is what ScottieBaseball encouraged OH members to do when he first posted it).
But the Sun doesn’t care about fair. It’s the American Idol mentality.
I also don’t think that it’s much of a hassle to vote every day, or that it’s only for people with nothing to do but sit around and vote. Most of us visit CC every morning, it’s not hard to take a minute and click the link and vote.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
he's only complaining because he's losing
I don’t have a problem with Tony at all, but this entire thing has made him come off really poorly…which is really, really too bad for someone with as much talent and blogOsphere clout as him.
In other words: Harden the fuck up, Tony!
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
by Andrew_G on Nov 5, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
yea he's totally being a crybaby
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Nov 5, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL, I swear the EGO on that guy.
Since you can vote as often as you like, really this will come down to a few blog owners who have nothing better to do than vote on their own site 1000 times.
You can vote with different accounts but you can’t vote mutlple times with the same account.
Look at some of the blogs high on the list. Seriously, this voting scheme is a joke. The fact that you have to vote in two different categories is a joke.
Note, is it only a joke because his blog isn’t first. I don’t see what’s wrong with having a best blog and specialty categories either.
If I had known the voting mechanism was going to be an exercise of time and desire rather than true popularity, I would have just allowed the site to be taken off.
LOL. I like how he confuses page hits with popularity.
Your mother.
Not to mention the fact that...
part of the appeal of blogs in general is the ability to get news and analysis in near real-time while offering an opportunity for people to comment. TT or OH or whatever the hell it is provides good write-up of the news, hit-or-miss analysis and a piss-poor system of commenting straight out of freaking 1996.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Nov 5, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, because me and Stacey and zk are just sippin' margaritas by the pool all day
hittin’ F5 on our netbooks while getting massages.
Y’all should really look into “owning” a blog.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
That's exactly what I do, actually
while the Camden Chat millions roll in.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
So THAT'S how you afford all those shoes...
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
It certainly isn't coming from correct picks in the CC pick em pool!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
that's the damn truth
Especially when I forget to even make my picks. Ooh I should do that now.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Heh...just reminding you!
But yeah…we’re among the handful that haven’t won a week yet.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
On the other hand-- upper right, every Friday...
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
What a huge fucking douchebag
and the best part is he can’t retort, because his own rules allow for no such language. Go suck a bag of dicks, jerk.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
fun experiment
Everyone click multiple times on this link about tony pente.
Go ahead, do it!
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
GoogleBombs - how DO they work?
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
I wonder if "lurking" is different than "lying in the weeds," and if so, how?
I always thought lurking had more of an illicit connotation to it, as opposed to lying in the weeds, which always seemed innocuous. I mean, criminals lurk, not sure if they lie in the weeds.
Librarians are hiding something
Anyone play Wordfeud?
Play me, please. The name is the same as it is here.
"I'd like to do something. We all would here," he added. "As I've said before, you just don't want to do anything stupid that you're thinking in May, 'What in the God's green earth was I thinking about?'" - Andy MacPhail 12/8/09
Query to James F
Are you going to analyze the more recent drafts?
Also, I was estranged from the Os until AM was hired. I, therefore was not following the drafts until then. Were Rowell and Snyder considered to be good picks by BA and the other baseball pundits? I know that Hobgood was criticized by the well-informed, but I don’t whether the other two recent first round apparent busts were considered strange picks.
Thanks
James hasn't been around much lately
personal commitments keeping him away. But I know that he does hope to pick up his draft analysis when possible.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Thanks
Great, I look forward to them. I have faith in AM. I wonder, however, whether he is just treading water until he becomes MLB Commissioner, or whether he has made a long term commitment to the Os. I wish that Angelos had given him a 5 year contract, which would give AM job security without feeling pressure to produce a winner too soon. Slow an steady wins the race.
SI's Ben Reiter has listed
his top 50 free agents and where he thinks “they fit best”, which I dunno what he means since he thinks Johnny Damon fits best in San Fran when he obviously does not – but I can see the Giants going with Damon for sure.
Anyway, two Orioles notes of his pure speculation (but hey, the news well is dry as your mother-in-law’s thanksgiving turkey*, so let’s dig in): Ty Wigginton to Toronto, Derrek Lee to Baltimore. I say hooray for both (if they happen).
*Just kidding! Your mother-in-law is a sweet person; tell her I said hello.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
I'm going to operate under the assumption that 'Derrek' was a mistyping of 'Cliff'
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
So, what do we offer Lee, Derrek?
He made 13M last year. Clearly we don’t offer him anywhere near that. 2 and 10? He has similar career numbers and a similar age 34 season with Fred McGriff, who went on to hit 135 more HRs. So it’s possible that he could have some left in the tank.
Of course he has similar career numbers to Shawn Green as well, who was done at age 34, so there is always that.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
1 year, $5M
He was worth $8M last year according to fangraphs, but you figure his value will continue to decline particularly if he moves to the AL East.
Your mother.
I'd offer 1 year 8 million with a player option
similar in thought to what Beltre got last year. I might even go up to ten million if he’d take a one year deal. An overpay, sure, but it keeps flexibility for us, keeps him tradeable, let’s him try to regain some market value for next year, and gives us the guy I think fits the team best in 2011.
Of course, I can totally see the bidding going crazy and him getting 13+ per year for three years. In which case no thank you.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
I would rather Casey Kotchman
He had a horrible defensive year in 2010 but normally he’s a terrific defender. He’s a solid 1 win player the last few years except for 2010. Unless there’s an injury that has changed his ability to play defense, I would rather him on the cheap ($2M) than sign Lee if the later is going to cost more than $6M.
Your mother.
kotchman can't hit though
and we have the money for either. The money, in my opinion, should not be the reason we pick up a 1 WAR player instead of a 3 WAR player (or whatever).
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Lee was a 2 WAR player in 2010 (fangraphs)
I’m very skeptical of him of improving next year in the AL East especially since his body is breaking down. Kotchman, coming off of a bad year, will be very cheap and offer similar production because of his defensive skills.
Your mother.
but I think he just had a bad year
I still like his peripherals and think he can bounce back a little.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
ugh, too early post
I was gonna add that I also see this as reason to believe he might be interested in a short term contract to boost his value back up for one last payday.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Kotchman is the first base version of Cesar Izturis
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Nov 5, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
if he gains his glove back
he can be a replacement lever player, maybe even a 1 win player if his bat can hit in the .700 OPS range.
Your mother.
I don't think you can sign lee for less than $6 for a 1 yr deal
I think he’ll want 2 years or more money, and i think it’s a reasonable request. He still hit 19 HRs last year. Someone will give it to him. I don’t want Casey Kotchman anywhere near my team. I’d rather re-sign Wigginton. At least I like him, and know what to expect, which isn’t much.
If we have a 1st baseman next year that hits ~.210, has good defensive skills, and is looking for a bounce back year at the plate… his name better be Carlos Pena.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
He 19 HRs in the NL
He’s going to face better pitching in the AL East methinks. I really don’t think he’s worth the money he’s going to get.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
He hit 19 HRs**
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I will be pissed if Andy signs Lee to more than $6M
The dude will have to be around a 3 win player to be worth that money. I don’t see a player coming off a 2 win season making a bounce back in the AL East.
Your mother.
I say "Screw it" and offer Dunn a ton of money to play 1B
His glove can’t be so bad it offsets his bat, can it?
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
Because he doesn't want to DH?
We’ve beaten this to death before.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I don't think it's really a done deal.
He’s said he’d rather go home than DH, but I think that’s a pretty easy thing to say and then go back on later.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
You think????
I can’t imagine anybody putting him in the OF.
Also this is sort of stupid – we don’t have to give him a black or white choice. Offer him the most money and tell him we want him to play first and DH and then figure out how much it makes sense to have him do either. I’m not convinced that Luke would be much better than Dunn at 1st anyway.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
there wasn't much interest in him 3 years ago
I can’t see why this would change now given that he’s older and the economy is shitty. Dunn may not want to DH, but he may not have a choice.
Your mother.
He’s said he’d rather go home than DH,
I was going to say BS, but I just remembered Dunn hates baseball.
It’ll be interesting to see if some team is willing to let him play the field. He’s a type A free agent so I don’t think teams will be busting down his door.
Your mother.
I think it's BS too
but it’s not my money that would have to be wagered to find out…
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
and for the people who hate UZR
I just noticed that fangraphs publishes fan scouting reports for defense now. So there’s that.
Your mother.
I love DRS.
It strikes me as so much better than UZR, I don’t understand why the latter still seems to be the go-to stat (and why they don’t at least average the two for their WAR calculations).
At least FRS gives me a positive defensive stat to look at on Markakis’s page…
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I've read a lot lately
saying that we may never get decent publicly available data from it, which is really depressing.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
That said,
this makes me drool…
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_article/fielding-in-the-hardball-times-annual/
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Last reply-to-self, I promise.
Somebody check the full-size image and tell me if they actually used Adam Jones and Nick Markakis? That really looks like Jones, at least (and he’s not gonna make the catch, which is sadly appropriate).
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
That is def. Dr. Jones (sans blowing a bubble) and Nicky.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
yeah, check the shoes on Nick and the orange pants stripe on both.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Nov 6, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
So,
are we talking about getting a 1B because we really want one, or because we assume we’re going to sign one and might as well figure out who we’d prefer? I know I’ve beaten this horse to death, but I’d like to see Pie actually get a full season in LF, and have Scott and Reimold split 1B/DH duties, so both of them get to play every day, too.
Am I the only one who would prefer this, or are we just figuring that since it’s not going to happen, we might as well talk about the FAs? Just trying to get a feel for where everyone is on this topic. As a follow-up: what do we do with Luke/Felix/Nolan if we have a new 1B playing every day?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I think they'll go after a FA
They never seemed interested in giving Luke much of a chance there, although if memory serves he played there a bit more towards the end of the season. It’s one of the big mysteries, why they don’t give him a chance. If they’d given him an extended chance this year we’d know for sure going into 2011.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Reimold
I think a lot of this depends on how the Orioles feel about Nolan Reimold. I still like Reimold a lot, but I’m not sure how much I trust him (and Pie) to be healthy and/or effective in 2010. As it is, the Orioles don’t need to do much. But, if Pie gets injured and Reimold can’t put 2010 in the past, the team is going to be relying on the likes of Scorey again.
On some level this is why I favor a 1 year deal to a slugger because one would in hope in 12 months the Orioles have a better sense of what they have in Reimold and Pie and what may be available (Gonzalez, Fielder).
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Nov 5, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, this is about what I'm assuming to be the case.
It’s almost like we need to sign somebody for depth, because if we don’t, then if somebody gets injured or just plays horribly, we’re screwed and have to bring up Brandon Snyder or somesuch. But it seems like a Catch-22, because if we do bring in a free agent 1B, then we can’t get Pie and Reimold both a full season of at-bats, so there will likely still be question marks about at least one of them.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Carlos Pena
I think this is why I favor a guy like Carlos Pena. I don’t think he will cost more than 1 year, and either his BABIP favors a bounceback or his LD% indicates he’s done. If he is hitting 200 on June 15, you can dump him, or if he has 25 homers in July you can deal him.
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Nov 5, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the show I saw was at Nissan
I remember that he did an encore of some of his solo stuff and everyone started leaving.
The NFL Network's Top 100 of all time
I thought Johnny U should have broken the Top 5, but can you believe the nerve of Deion Sanders saying he (Sanders) should have been ranked “3ish or 4ish.” At least according to Mike and Mike on ESPN 2. What an idiot.
That was a fucking joke
he was an a-maz-ing cover corner, but he couldn’t tackle for shit. When you are missing a huge part of your game, you don’t get to be top 10. Suck it up.
Damn I hate Deion Sanders…
Also, I don’t think I love Rice at #1 either. The guy was great, and i’m not taking anything (or much at least) away from him, but he did have a couple of the best QB’s ever throwing to him. Top 10 sure, but not #1. I’d switch him and LT probably, but I just loved watching LT play and i’m a bit of a homer with him, so whatever.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Why didn't they pick the most important position on the field for #1?
I have to go with Montana.
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There's a good argument for Montana
of course, the same problem would be there with him as well. The guy got to throw to arguably the greatest receiver ever. The top 5 were Rice, Jim Brown, LT, Montana, and Walter Payton.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I think it's different with Montana, though
Yes, he had the best receiver of all time…but watching old games (I know I’m not old enough to remember any of the Montana years) on ESPN Classic or something: NO ONE could master the no-look pass like Montana. Pure brilliance.
He couldn’t only throw to Jerry, while Jerry only had Montana to throw to him.
As for Payton, the thing about him that I know this is about play on the field, but he was such a stand-up, exemplary guy off it that you can’t help but idolize him. I maintain that he’s the greatest RB of all time, with Barry Sanders a close second.
Also, I think Rice’s stats are a bit inflated because on the longevity of his career. There are few football players who played for as long as Jerry, and I remember correctly, he started to decline. I honestly can’t think of another WR even close to his caliber (I suppose Randy Moss and TO are up there), so he’s no question the greatest WR of all time. But player? I’m not buying it.
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The thing about Rice's longevity
is that he was only able to stick around that long BECAUSE he was so good. Most receivers decline very rapidly after a few years in the league, but Rice was so damn good that his decline was still better than most receivers’ primes. The guy was a legit, rare talent.
As for WR’s that are coparable to him, the top 100 shows Rice at 1, Don Hutson (’30’s Packers receiver) at 9, and then the next WR is Moss at 65. He really has no peer. Still, I wouldn’t go #1 player of all time.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
True...unlike a certain someone who NEEDS to retire
Still, I don’t think you can put any WR as the best of all time. You might say that all positions are important, but I honestly think that a good QB can make most receivers look good. Like 2010 Peyton Manning. Is Garcon that good? Probably not, but Peyton made him look great.
That was a compliment to the QB’s—I’m not trying to undermine Rice’s career achievements. I’m sure Montana could do very well without Jerry Rice, and Rice still did well without Montana. In that way, their greatness didn’t depend on their compatibility on the field. Does that make any sense?
I think CB, QB, and possibly LB are all more important than WR. WR’s come a dime a dozen…NOT WR’s like Rice, of course, but you don’t depend on a WR on the field as much as you do a good QB, a shutdown corner, or a dominant LB (especially MLB). I think importance has to be a factor in evaluating the greatest player of all time.
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I know these types of lists are always so subjective
But I liked the way Sports Illustrated did it several years ago when they ranked the best of all time by position. I was trying to find a link to it but no joy. As I recall, they had the two best QBs of all time listed as Montana and Unitas. And, as I also recall, they really didn’t go with a 1-2, but rather the best two at each position. But maybe someone has a better recollection of it than I do. I’m sure Rice was one of the two receivers, but at this point, I really only remember the QBs.
Oh, and TGI Friday's is in Moscow-- and here it DOESN'T suck.
Context is everything.
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"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
I know the other day we were talking about LeDouche's commercial
This is brill: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvgD9HNTMkM
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that gets an S for snap as in
OH SNAP
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
a couple weeks
I was gonna change it soon. What’s up?
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Oh I just wondering because I hadn't seen any of those trade proposals in a while
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I'm not exactly technologically impaired but
Does anyone find OH extremely hard to read and navigate? It gives me a headache.
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You know, I've heard that somewhere...
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
My bad
I didn’t realize we’ve had this discussion. But it IS very ugly. I like CC’s layout a lot.
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That's because CC
actually looks like it belongs in the 21st century.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
and that is just one of the reasons
why we’re beating every single other orioles blog in this totally arbitrary competition that we are the defending champions of. Because we are awesome, and it’s been a nice little week acknowledging that fact. Round of applause everyone.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Let's not suck each others popsicles just yet
Last year, we were in second place until the last day. The last freakin’ day.
Keep voting every day that voting is open. Sure, there’s ways to game the system, slightly. Y’all are smart enough to figure them out if you want, don’t need an encouragement or direction from us if that’s what you want to do.
But we GOTTA beat Orioles Hangout at this point, just because it will mean more to him to lose than for anyone else if they won.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
ohhh, but it's friiiiday
this stupid contest, why does it need to go on for like seven fortnights?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
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