Tuesday Bird Droppings
by duck on Dec 14, 2010 6:43 AM EST
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PrintCliff Lee rejects Yankees, Rangers to return to Phillies - MLB - SI.com
Cliff Lee took a lot less money to go to the Phillies than the Yankees were offering. I guess, for once, it wasn't all about the money.
Quote of the Day: the New York Yankees didn’t want Cliff Lee anyway. Right. | HardballTalk
"Anybody who would leave $50M on the table obviously doesn’t want to pitch in New York. Thank God we found out in time." As Craig Calcaterra added, "That might be the most ridiculous quote I’ve heard in some time." And he only left $20+ million on the table, by the way.
LATE ADDITION: With Cliff Lee gone, what’s next for the Rangers? | HardballTalk
Rangers general manager Jon Daniels gave Lee credit for not chasing the most money possible (via Jeff Wilson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram): “Let’s give the guy some credit. How many people criticize players for running after the last dollar?” general manager Jon Daniels said. “Cliff didn’t do that. He made a decision for other reasons, and I have to respect that.” Slightly different response than the Yankees, huh?
Best. Rotation. Ever? | FanGraphs Baseball
So, the Phillies top four pitchers going into 2011 had a collective 65.5 WAR for the last 3 years. That's four of the top 21 in starting pitchers. I suppose that means, hypothetically, their #4 starter would be better than the #1 starter of at least eight teams in MLB. Wow.
LATE ADDITION: Steve Melewski: A take on Reimold and Guzman heads for Japan
"Joel Guzman led Orioles minor leagues in homers and RBIs last year at Double-A Bowie and he recently turned that solid 2010 season into a nice, new contract." It's going to be in Japan, however.
LATE ADDITION: Orioles Insider: Josh Bell on Reynolds trade, his conditioning
“I’ve not put too much thought on it, personally,” Bell said in a phone interview from his offseason home in Arizona. “I knew that they were going to try and bring someone in. And my job is the same, to go out in spring training, do my best and prove somebody wrong.” Gotta like that attitude.
Steve Melewski: How to compete in the East: Win the arms race
If the O's young (and cost-controlled) pitching meets its potential, the team can stay competitive with the big dogs of the AL East. At least, that's what Steve Melewski thinks. And I think he may have a point.
Orioles Insider: Joe Blanton, anyone?
Now that the Phillies have Cliff Lee, Joe Blanton is said to be available. Jeff Zrebiec at The Sun thinks the O's would make a perfect trade partner for the Phillies excess starter.
Orioles Insider: Koji officially back
He passed his physical, he signed his contract, and so Koji Uehara will be a member of the Baltimore Orioles in 2011.
Orioles: Orioles second baseman Brian Roberts says his back is healed
Buried in this item is the fact it took Brian almost a month and a half to recover from his concussion.
Orioles Insider: Buck Showalter's staying busy
Buck Showalter doesn't sleep. Ever. He's making out lineups right this moment. Really. In December. And he doesn't even have a 1B yet. You ever tried to make out a lineup without a 1B? Not as easy as it looks.
Fan Projection Targets: Jackson, Kemp, Markakis | FanGraphs Baseball
I know Nick Markakis hasn't hit for the power we've hoped for the last two years, but WAR has him as barely above league average? Really? That seems a bit harsh.
Local fan: Top 5 best sports moments of 2010 in Baltimore - Yahoo! Sports
There are two Orioles-related moments, although one is kinda lame and mislabeled.
Top five worst sports moments of 2010 in Baltimore - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
Three are Orioles-related, although the Ravens did their best to add another one last night. What was that? I went to bed at 28-7 in the 3rd quarter, wake up and I'm reading about how they pulled it out in overtime? What?
School of Roch: Cal Ripken's statement regarding Favre
"Brett has had an incredible career and his consecutive-games streak is remarkable. As a football fan, I cannot fathom his accomplishments and I appreciate his dedication to and passion for the game. He is a true gamer and has provided us all with a lot of wonderful memories."
What's the matter, Othello - jealous? Did you know there's a swimming pool under this Open Thread? And did you know that *button* behind you causes this floor to open up?
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hahahaha
God bless you, Cliff Lee.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
by Stacey on Dec 14, 2010 6:47 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Let's hope
it’s the start of a trend for the Yankees
Has there ever been a cooler Oriole than Eddie Murray? I mean, just straight up cool. Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08
by 33 on Dec 14, 2010 7:52 AM EST up reply actions
THIS.
Although damn…..Lee, Halladay, and Oswalt. That’s a hell of a rotation.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
Oh and Hamels.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2010 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
Lee went
to the National League so he wouldn’t have to face us nearly as much. We effin killed that guy, killed em t’death!
ahaha
comment on beyond the boxscore from ahoque24:
8) Cliff Lee will only have to face his mortal enemy, the Baltimore Orioles, in the World Series.
"This club is not a good club." --Jim Palmer
Remember that time that Izturis hit his only 2010 HR off of Lee?
I still sort of can’t believe that actually happened.
Izzy's finest moment!
As a tribute to Cliff, we shall re-sign Izzy to play backup second base.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
I'm still stunned.
But overjoyed that he’s not in the AL. Especially the Evil Empire.
Where are my shoelaces?
I have to agree w/ Jeff Z
Although Blanton isn’t the flashiest pitcher (obviously) I think he would a good veteran presence for the staff…Hopefully he wouldn’t be Millwood 2.0
plus he and Jake could vie with Koadge for most absurd facial hair
by thewaywardO on Dec 14, 2010 8:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
someone on Team needs to murder post-game buffet spreads.
Might as well be Joe.
Now, Harold, he's a friendly guy. He rambles on and on. He'll talk the balls off a rhino-saurus.~Primus, Harold of the Rocks
by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 14, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
hmm, yankees bitter? I like it
Their rotation right now looks like Sabathia, Hughes, Burnett, Ivan Nova and Sergio Mitre. Wow.
They can still make moves
Jamie Moyer should be availble now
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 14, 2010 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
Moyer's out, no?
Thought he had surgery.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2010 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
Missed that
Well, so much for Moyer.
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 14, 2010 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
He's apparently trying for a comeback next year.
Wants to be the first guy over 80 to pitch in the MLB or something.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2010 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
That Mariners game
was certainly my #1 moment of this year. I had almost lost my memory of what that in-person Orioles Magic feeling was like. I remember walking out saying “This is it. This is what we keep coming here for.” What a beautiful day.
Has there ever been a cooler Oriole than Eddie Murray? I mean, just straight up cool. Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08
Definitely my favorite
Orioles game of the season. Alot of that probably had to with the fact that I was there.
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
Sooooo
Does that mean that the Yanks got shut out on everyone they wanted? Hell, they even got a guy they didn’t want, and that was about it.
"Thank God we found out in time."
Yeah, you really dodged a bullet there, jackass. Hands down, THE douche bag quote of the offseason….and that’s going up against Luke and his Charlton Heston impersonation…
"They're throwing bottles at your house...Come one, let's go break their arms." - Henry Fool
by Fahrenheit 451 on Dec 14, 2010 8:07 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
An undoubtedly unpopular thought
the Yankees and the Rangers are probably going to be scrambling for some kind of Plan B, which doesn’t really exist (since it’s pretty likely that the Royals can get more elsewhere for Greinke). What about offering out Jeremy Guthrie to get some actual long-term young talent into Baltimore? Of course, I’m not sure how much the Rangers would value a guy like Guthrie, but I would explore it at least.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
a team in the position of the o's...
has to think like that if the long term goal is to not merely be competitive, but to win. that being said, i’d be curious about blanton.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 14, 2010 8:15 AM EST up reply actions
He's got $17 mill remaining over the next 2 seasons.
If we could get a decent prospect in return for eating that contract I guess it could be worth a shot. The O’s certainly have the payroll flexibility to pull it off.
Now, Harold, he's a friendly guy. He rambles on and on. He'll talk the balls off a rhino-saurus.~Primus, Harold of the Rocks
by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 14, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
As would I
And even though I wouldn’t want Guts to be a Yankee, it would be worth seeing if we can get anything from them as well.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
i'm just imagining girardi's reaction
“now he’ll be hitting them in practice! in the clubhouse! ON THE BUS!!!”
"If I were a horse, I'd go over to AJ [Burnett]'s house all the time!" -- Rob Dibble
No, once he became a Yankee
His hitting batters would be seen as his competitive edge.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
by Stacey on Dec 14, 2010 4:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is their AA or AAA 1B any good?
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
by duck on Dec 14, 2010 8:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
They have a 19 y/o guy name Jonathan Singleton who spent last year in A ball
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=single001jon
He’s been ranked as one of their best prospects though. Don’t know if they’d part with him.
Now, Harold, he's a friendly guy. He rambles on and on. He'll talk the balls off a rhino-saurus.~Primus, Harold of the Rocks
by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 14, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
that's the phillies
we’re talking about the rangers (or whoever else still needs pitching but doesn’t want Pavano and can’t afford Greinke)
speaking of which, how unlucky are the Blue Jays…they could’ve gotten a pretty good bidding war going for marcum if they shopped him now.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Ah. Reading comprehension fail. It's cold out. My brain is still partially frozen.
Now, Harold, he's a friendly guy. He rambles on and on. He'll talk the balls off a rhino-saurus.~Primus, Harold of the Rocks
by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 14, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
As for the Rangers, they traded away their primary 1B prospect, Smoak, last year.
They have a fair amount of pitching depth. Sickles had a SS as their #1 overall in his preliminary 2011 list.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/11/1/1788364/texas-rangers-top-20-prospects-for-2011
Now, Harold, he's a friendly guy. He rambles on and on. He'll talk the balls off a rhino-saurus.~Primus, Harold of the Rocks
by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 14, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
They already have the poor mans Guts....
Burnett
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
by NewYorkOriole on Dec 14, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
I think Burnett is the rich man's Guts, actually.
Which is to say that he sucks, but he’s flashier and louder so you can show him off to your other rich friends, who also have shitty style-over-substance toys and won’t judge you.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 14, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Good point
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
by NewYorkOriole on Dec 14, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Bahahahaha Yankees
ESPN must feel pretty stupid for posting a story with a headline along the lines of “Yankees, Rangers await Lee decision with the two best deals.”
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I'm so glad I can continue to like Cliff Lee
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
by Stacey on Dec 14, 2010 8:43 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
That's a rec
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I am sad that I had to take down my Cliff Lee O's hat photoshop avatar...
Since it’s cold, I have temporarily replaced it with me and the wife on Waikiki, until I can find something Orioles-related.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
Boo!!! Red Sox close to getting Blanton
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
by duck on Dec 14, 2010 8:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Gordon Edes is debunking the deal right now
so Blanton is still out there
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Are you anti-Blanton?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
he's basically Jeremy Guthrie, no?
I’m only opposed to having two guys in the rotation from Opening Day doing little beyond “absorbing innings”.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Well, Blanton will also be absorbing cupcakes.
And bbq.
And milkshakes.
And pizza.
And……
Now, Harold, he's a friendly guy. He rambles on and on. He'll talk the balls off a rhino-saurus.~Primus, Harold of the Rocks
by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 14, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I don't want him
I don’t want them to sign anyone to start, I want to go with what we have.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
We need another starter
Someone’s gonna get hurt.. And after the loser of the Britton/Tillman 5th starter competition, who do we have?
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
yeah, but adding in a vet plays it backwards
it would behoove the Orioles to play their kids first and have a solid backup plan if one or more of the kids gets hurt or can’t hack it. But add in Blanton and now it’s Chris Tillman is the backup plan for if/when Blanton gets hurt. And it’s so much more important for Tillman to pitch than Tubby McTubbenstein
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
word
http://www.camdenchat.com/2010/12/14/1875513/just-say-no-to-more-starting-pitching
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Glad to know I inspired you...
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
I was writing that when you commented.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
How about Patton or Vandenhurk?
They both have some starting experience, and one could be useful….
After all, for some reason MLB10 the Show has Patton as a pitcher with “A” potential
Blanton 7 season WHIP 1.343
Guthrie 7 season WHIP 1.278
So the answer is ‘almost.’ I don’t think we should bother.
Has there ever been a cooler Oriole than Eddie Murray? I mean, just straight up cool. Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08
by 33 on Dec 14, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
Great article on Cliff Lee from Jamey Newberg
http://www.newbergreport.com/article.asp?articleid=2109
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Somewhere, on a highway in the American South
A truck full of money slowly makes its way back to NY
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
by CoachOfEarl on Dec 14, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Andy Pettitte is going to hijack that track
He has to be thrilled
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 14, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
"No, Brian, I'm gonna need a little more convincing that that."
“Those eyebrow waxes aren’t cheap, you know.”
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
by duck on Dec 14, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yankee fans at work
“He obviously feared the bright lights”
by GeoffreyA on Dec 14, 2010 10:05 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Clearly he wanted to play in front of less demanding, more passive fans...
in Philadelphia.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
by tflach2 on Dec 14, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They won't spit on your wife...
but they’ll vomit on your children.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
by tflach2 on Dec 14, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
they won't spit on your wife...
as long as she doesn’t try to cut the line on dollar dog night.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 14, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
So i'm glad he's in the NL and all
but man I really hate that this league has no cap. It’s insane.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
The Phillies' payroll for 2011 was already over $146M
Before they signed Lee. Sheesh.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I don't know
I kind of like that the National League has a Yankees/Red Sox-like presence now. I don’t want just teams in the AL East to feel this sort of offseason pain.
The more people complaining about it, can’t be a bad thing, can it?
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
this.
the more the phillies/dodgers/mets become the yankees, the sooner we’ll get a salary cap.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Yeah,I know we're never getting a salary cap
I just enjoy seeing teams in the National League deal with this crap, too.
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
Let's just get one thing straight about Lee's offers
He may have left seventh-year money on the table, but Philly is actually paying him more than the Yankees and Rangers would over the first six years of the contract. To wit:
Lee reached a preliminary agreement on a $120 million, five-year contract, plus a vesting option for a sixth year.…
The Yankees had offered Lee six years at $22 million each, plus an option year for $16 million, for a total of $148 million over seven years.
The Rangers’ offer was for $120 million over six years, plus an option.
So let’s do the math. Philly’s offer is $24M/year for the first 5 years, and presumably for the sixth as well if he vests. The Yankees offered only $22M/yr, and the Rangers offered only $20M/yr over the same period of time.
If Lee’s 6th year actually does pay him $24M, then he’s taking a 6-year $144M deal over a 7-year $148M deal. Who wouldn’t do that? Like he’s not going to be able to get more than $4M from someone in 2017?
Theory: Cliff Lee has a couple of kids who look to be around 4 and 6. Maybe he know he doesn’t want to pitch forever and is deciding to take the deal that’s more lucrative per year. If he decides to retire after 3,4,5, or even 6 years, he will wind up well ahead with the deal he got from the Phillies.
Maybe the Yankee fans don’t know how to add?
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
From what I understand
is that it is a 107.5M/5 years with a 12.5M buyout for the 6th year… so it will be about 130ish for the 6 years if he vests, and 120 for 5 years if he doesn’t… So it would be 21.5M a year for the next 5 years, and either 21.5 to play the 6th or 12.5 to take a hike.
So in reality, it is slightly less than the Yankees offered per annum.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
it's not less per annum at all for the first 5 or 6 years.
the $12.5M is not a sixth year option, it’s a buyout. according to the newberg article, the sixth year vesting option is $27.5M, which the team can buyout for $12.5M (i.e., they pay $12.5M to get out of the 6th year).
so, if he pitches for five years/$120M, that’s $24M per year.
if he pitches for six years/$135M, that’s $22.5M per year.
Both of those scenarios are higher than the first 6 years of the Yankees’ contract would be.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
ok... didn't realize the vesting option was 27.5 for the 6th, (that is huge btw)...
thought it would be in line with the rest of the contract.
But his annual salary will still average 21.5 for the next 5 years, which is less than NY offered. It’s the 6th year where he would get 12.5M to not pitch if he’s washed up, or 27.5M to continue pitching if he is as awesome as everyone expects.
I suppose it’s semantics whether the buyout would count as part of his 5 years of pitching, or 6 years (1 not pitching). But if he isn’t good enough to pitch for philly in year 6 when they owe him 12.5M anyway, it’s hard to think that he’ll be good enough to pitch anywhere.
So he is putting a lot of faith in himself to be awesome into his late 30’s, or he is spurning the money to play where he wants. If the Phillies buyout the 6th year, that means that something bad happened, and he is leaving 28 million dollars on the table.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
If Lee’s 6th year actually does pay him $24M, then he’s taking a 6-year $144M deal over a 7-year $148M deal. Who wouldn’t do that? Like he’s not going to be able to get more than $4M from someone in 2017?
I agree with your analysis, but in terms of total guaranteed money, Cliffy left $28M on the table ($120M guaranteed from Phils, $148M guaranteed from Yankees). And the IF is a big catch though. 200 innings in the 5th year or 400 innings in his 4th and 5th years. For a 36ish pitcher at that point, that’s a big IF. If money was his number priority (which it wasn’t luckily), he took the wrong deal.
Spewing negativity.
no question.
i’m just saying value-wise, he’s getting paid more per year in philly. his worst case there is $120M for 5 years, vs $148M for seven in NY. So he left $14M a year on the table for the last two years. It’s not as cut-and-dried as the Yankee media make it out to be.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Sure.
Mostly I’m reacting to Craig Calcaterra’s column. His headline, “Cliff Lee did not leave a ton of money on the table,” is really terrible. He left $28M on the table. That’s a lot of fucking money. Sure that gap narrows with the vesting option but that money is hypothetical at this point.
That said, I usually really like Calcaterra. His following post at baseballthinkfactory will forever go down as my favorite internet post about anything in the history of mankind.
29. Craig Calcaterra Posted: November 12, 2008 at 03:53 PM (#3007699)
Would you take a 60 mph pitch directly in the nads—and I mean directly—for 1.2 million?
I’ve been married for over 13 years. I have two kids, a mortgage, and no reasonable way to escape the legal profession any time soon. On top of that I’m bald, I live in Ohio, and my parents recently moved to a place less than two miles from my home.
Where do I f*ckin’ sign up for the changeup to the crotch thing?
Spewing negativity.
that's brilliant.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
This photo is on the front of Yahoo with the headline, "Phils over pinstripes."
Does anyone think maybe they should have chosen a picture with Lee wearing the Phillies uniform that isn’t pinstripes?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
by Stacey on Dec 14, 2010 10:45 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Phils over the most-storied pinstripes in the history of vertically lined clothing
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
So i took the plunge and bought the PS3 last night
Didn’t want to risk that deal expiring without any notice.
Enjoy it!
What games did you get to go along with it?
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 14, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Haven't ordered them yet, waiting for the $75 Amazon credit
and I won’t have my new tv to go with it until christmas anyway. First two up though are definitely GT5 and probably Fifa 11.
Well enjoy...
we just got a new television (with HDMI ports, finally) and I pretty much camp there all evening when I get home from the gym while the wife shops for stuff online.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 14, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Two good choices.
I’ve played the shit out of FIFA 11.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 14, 2010 11:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Must haves
GTA 4, Red Dead Redemption as far as non sports games. Bully was another good game, made by Rockstar like the other two. Also, obviously, MLB 10 The Show, unless you wanna wait for the next one. I’d rent all those non sports games, as they can be beaten relatively quickly.
Thats my plan
a baseball game would be near the top of my list, but GT5 and Fifa will keep my busy long enough that i can wait for the next edition of The Show
Awesome
my name on psn is the same as it is here, if you wish to add a friend
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Are you saying Dave isn't friendly?
Igpay Atinlay
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Dec 14, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Ok fine once i set it up, I will be everyone's friend
but it will be a while before i likely own anything besides Gran Turismo and Fifa
This is true
Also, I hate you.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
wow, you really are unfriendly
I think you’re swell and you hate me.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
So these candy cane Hershey kisses
Someone needs to take them away from me before I develop a habit.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Trader Joe's Candy Cane Joe-Joes
Make awesome milkshakes
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
by NewYorkOriole on Dec 14, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Happy 35th birthday Rodrigo Lopez!
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
winningest o's pitcher...
of the aughts.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 14, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
yuh huh...
i think it’s
-roderick low
-sir sid
-danny cabs
probably followed by guts and monsieur erik.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 14, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
OMG
Certain horrible bloggers who shouldn’t have a job are making my eyes bleed.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
yeah it stops being fun after awhile
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
actually it still kind of is
“Maybe Kevin Millwood is smiling as we speak?” So that he won’t have to face the big, bad Red Sox? I’m fairly certain he’d rather pitch to Adrian Gonzalez than stand in the unemployment line.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
exactly
thought about it, and then just realized that i’m already short on time in my life, and that would be a poor use of it.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
(logging on to masnsports to check out the damage)
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
oy
Apparently Ruben Amaro graduated from “Stamford.”
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
That's Nick and Drew's lesser known brother
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
there's also all KINDS of apostrophe damage
…above and beyond leaving them out, she’s putting them in where they don’t belong. I know I’m a grammar nazi, but anyone who starts using apostrophes to pluralize shit is not a professional writer.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
haha I sent that article to my bf (who is a copy-editor) and he wrote back
“I don’t want to read any more. And I don’t just mean her article. I don’t want to read anything anymore. She has ruined reading for me.”
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
by Stacey on Dec 14, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
thats the best thing i have read all day!
It’s the Ric Flair Theory of baseball – To be the man, you gotta beat the man. -duck
by Parkinglotninja on Dec 14, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
OMG seriously
it’s like she’s now doing it on purpose to just rub it in my face that she gets paid. That’s the worst one yet.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
And we need an upgrade in Left Field. Is Melky Cabrera the answer?
2010 Cabrera: .255/.317/.354
2010 Pie: .274/.305/.413
But Melky used to be a Yankee
So he’s obviously better.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Just not the pinstripes everyone expected. These aren’t blue, they’re red. Well, maroon I believe would be the proper color pallet. Bordeaux if you may.
No, they’re definitely red. The Phillies haven’t worn maroon since at least 1992.
And I don't believe a single color is a "pallett" either
But I guess she….oh forget it.
"They're throwing bottles at your house...Come one, let's go break their arms." - Henry Fool
by Fahrenheit 451 on Dec 14, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Well technically, a pallet is one of those wooden things you stack boxes on top of.
a palette is a selection of colors.
but what is a palett?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
it's a wooden thing andy petitt sits on. i think it's maroon.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
It's best not to dwell on it
You’ll just drive yourself crazy. Sometimes, life just isn’t fair.
And I’d like to think somewhere in the MASN complex, there’s an editor who thinking to him/herself, “So, she thinks I edit her stuff too much, huh? Let’s see how she likes it when I actually let what she writes hit the internet unchanged.”
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
You think that blog gets edited?
Honest question. I kind of get the impression that the blog posts are supposed to be looser and that somehow a mistake here and there makes it more “real”. Although She Who Shall Never Be Named Or Linked To has frequent mistakes on top of opinions that are similar to the opinions an idiot would have, on top of obvious Baltimore-hating on public sites like Twitter – both of which should probably disqualify her from ever having the job she has, or any similar job ever again.
But somehow she persists in her gainful employment, if only to torture all of us.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 14, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
More Casual? Yes.
Blatently wrong? No. A less polished, informal structure is acceptable, but simple grammar and typographical mistakes are never ok for someone who considers themselves a professional writer.
Exactly
Blogs are informal, but that doesn’t mean it’s ok for them to be so riddled with mistakes. I can tell you with absolute certainty that if my writing was as bad as hers is I never would have gotten this gig. Never.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Plus, how can she possibly stand to have mistakes out in the open?
Whenever I post something on the front page and there’s one typo or misspelling, I’m hugely embarrassed as soon as I see it and I edit it as soon as possible. I can only conclude that she is unaware that she is making frequent mistakes, in particular lacking any kind of familiarity with proper usage rules for the apostrophe. Which you might expect from someone writing on Blogspot (no offense if anyone here maintains a blog on Blogspot) but not from “professional blogs people like (her) get paid for”.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 14, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
But it's not just the apostrophes
There are mistakes in her writing that I’m certain she would easily pick up if she re-read her post once before publishing it. My impression is that she likes doing interviews and being on TV and the radio, but she doesn’t put any value in writing. Which is fine except for the fact that she gets paid to write in addition to those other things. Does her boss read that stuff? I can’t even imagine if my boss read something I wrote and that’s what it looked like.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Yeah, what if you were sending a document to the client that looked like that?
I can tell you, if I was a client, and I was choosing between similar proposals, only one was written by someone whose style was more like SWSNBNOLT, and the other written by someone who isn’t an idiot, it’s pretty obvious which one would be picked.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 14, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
I just added her quote to my profile under Rob Dibble's.
“I don’t read blogs. They’re beyond dumb.” -Jen Royle
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I just replied to her tweet.
Which is like the 8th thing I’ve ever tweeted in my life.
This is where the whole “wasting too much of my time” thing comes in.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
hahah I saw
It’s hard not to get sucked in.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
ooh she told you to get a life.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
you being zk, not you being me
since I replied to myself
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
...fighting....urge.....to reply....... (to her, not to you)
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Hopefully MASN fires her soon.
Then your profile can be quotes from people who’ve been fired from MASN for pissing you off. Kind of like painting silhouettes on the side of a combat aircraft.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 14, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
plus,
when she makes factual errors (which she does ALL THE TIME…. i.e., thinking Norfolk was north of Baltimore), she doesn’t follow the traditional protocol, which is put a strike-thru and post a correction. She just changes them.
Which means she can’t admit to her own mistakes, and doesn’t want anyone to know about them.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Must....not....look...
"They're throwing bottles at your house...Come one, let's go break their arms." - Henry Fool
by Fahrenheit 451 on Dec 14, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
But there's gratuitous cleavage.....
Now, Harold, he's a friendly guy. He rambles on and on. He'll talk the balls off a rhino-saurus.~Primus, Harold of the Rocks
by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 14, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Ugh...
Had to look. I feel ike I just ate seventeen Twinkies…why did I do that?
"They're throwing bottles at your house...Come one, let's go break their arms." - Henry Fool
by Fahrenheit 451 on Dec 14, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I think she's trolling us...
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 14, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
I mean, it can't be real, right?
Look at this paragraph!
In the meantime, keep in mind every team has it’s problems. The O’s may be a little worse than other’s but improvements are being made, slowly but surely, and “Buck Ball” WILL be back. Hang in there!
Calm down with the apostrophes, lady!
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
right? she just has no idea.
Also, she admits that she’s writing the blog while she watches a movie next to her sleeping dog. Way to go get ’em, you savvy beat reporter!
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
She needs a life.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
OH has a Twitter account?
Well, let me go jump on the chance to follow….
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
they do but I think she's just bitching about them on her twitter
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Doesn't matter, I'm still banned from OH forums
and don’t feel like switching browsers to find out what she’s whining about.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Oh, I wonder who she's talking about here
@fearthenoodle I’m talking about fan blogs… Chats. Not professional blogs people like me get paid for.
CHATS?
Oh, it’s on Royle.
Also, just for the record, I do get paid for this gig. Thought I’d throw it out there. It’s just not enough yearly to pay my rent for a month, let alone live on.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Speak for yourself..
although you do buy me alcohol quite often. :)
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
by duck on Dec 14, 2010 12:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's the least I can do for all of your awesomeness :)
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Oh, this is getting GOOD.....
JenRoyleMASN Jen Royle @fearthenoodle I’m talking about fan blogs… Chats. Not professional blogs people like me get paid for.
Wow. Just, wow. Rub it in, why don’t ya?
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Not professional blogs people like me get paid for. fired from due to chronic incompetence.
Bring back Luis Matos.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Dec 14, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
"People like me"...
Oh how do I hate that phrase. It sounds so self-important, no high and mighty.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 14, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, this can't be...
Was she actually trolling on OH yesterday? From baltsports10:
Royle was the only one who got things right in Orlando!! She got the whole Nolan Reimold to the Rays right before the Sun. Pena told her the Os made him an offer first and she just clarified the Nick Green stuff. If anything, this chick came out the winner.
I think she spell-checked it to hide her identity.
"They're throwing bottles at your house...Come one, let's go break their arms." - Henry Fool
by Fahrenheit 451 on Dec 14, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Thats what someone accused her off
that started her on the “i can’t be bothered with blogs” series of posts
Hmmm...
Baltsports10 joined OH in December…similar “writing” styles…gratuitous Pena reference. I think we have a winner! Please Jen, try to salvage some shred of dignity…
"They're throwing bottles at your house...Come one, let's go break their arms." - Henry Fool
by Fahrenheit 451 on Dec 14, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Could there be a more unimaginative name
than Baltsports10? I think you all hit it on the head….that’s just sad.
Please, it'll be at least 10 years before they figure out twitter
Someone just sent her a link to a page where apparently they are slamming her, and shes talking about how blogs are beneath her and not worth her time.
Well, she's getting paid a hell of a lot more than we bloggers are
So, in one way, she has a point.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
No place for you there, duckman
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
As I'm reminded when I absentmindedly click on a link to their forums
Geez, talk about holding a grudge….
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
she needs to stick to what she knows
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Which is watching movies while sitting next to her sleeping dog?
Pretty boring if you ask me.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Earl Weaver photo from @SI_Vault
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
free country and all that...
but can i ask US to be just a little bit better than devoting so much time/bandwidth to critiques of poor blogging?
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
haha sorry
You’re right. It’s just a sore spot for me.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
To wit
Roch reporting that Koji’s burns are actually touching under his chin. That…is awesome…
"They're throwing bottles at your house...Come one, let's go break their arms." - Henry Fool
by Fahrenheit 451 on Dec 14, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
If this was just some random blog, then i think you'd have a point
but her blog is featured on the primary media outlet for the team this site is devoted to. I think we have a right, if not an obligation, to expect better and point out that displeasure.
I think it reflects poorly on us to sit here complaining about the same writer over and over
we don’t like her writing, so just leave it at that. Our complaining isn’t advancing any conversation except what is basically name-calling. We should be better than that.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I actually totally agree with you
But I have trouble exerting self control. I think the best thing to do is just ignore her, really. But it’s hard to watch her disparage blogs like ours that are really quite good (especially in comparison to hers) on Twitter where she has a couple thousand followers listening to her and believing who knows what.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
meh
i’m not really concerned with how it “reflects on us.” I come here to talk baseball matters (and often, non-baseball matters), with like-minded individuals, and don’t really give a fig how “we” come across.
She is an affront to baseball fans, and an affront to people who write about baseball.
Our complaining about the FO overvaluing relief pitchers is never going to change anything. Yet we come here every day and bitch about it anyway. How does that advance any conversation?
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I was going to add
but then I got distracted by these people sitting around me who think I’m here to do work for them – what gives with that!? – I was going to add “on the other hand, this is the internet”. So go nuts. But I disagree with the whole thing. At least branch out to all the rest of the bad writers on the Orioles beat/blogOsphere.
"This is a time when if we weren’t cynical we’d shoot ourselves."
I recommend, by the way, starting with me
"This is a time when if we weren’t cynical we’d shoot ourselves."
I don't know how it reflects upon CC but I agree.
I understand why everybody dislikes her. She’s not a good columnist. Normally, I just stop reading a columnist who I find uninformative. But she’s a whipping bag here and I don’t see the value in that.
Spewing negativity.
Back to baseball
Beyond the Boxscore takes a look at the best rotations ever.
He references the 1971 Orioles several times but they don’t make the list.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Lyle Overbay signed with the Pirates
another first baseman gone.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I'm still happy with the remaining pool
Nick Johnson, Derrek Lee, Adam LaRoche and Jorge Cantu are all perfectly adequate. Give me the cheapest one on the shortest contract please.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I don't want Nick Johnson
because he gets hurt too much. Although I dig his OBP. And I don’t want Jorge Cantu because I don’t like his face.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
about getting hurt? or just the face thing?
"This is a time when if we weren’t cynical we’d shoot ourselves."
Either, really...
…Johnson is always going to be an injury risk but that will make him ultra-cheap and worth taking a flier on his maybe being healthy this year. And while I care about Stacey’s being pleased by Baltimore’s aesthetics, I don’t care enough to not sign Cantu, the youngest of the group.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
How 'bout we sign all 4 and trade them to Philly for Cliff Lee?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're sort of contradicting yourself?
You specifically mention Cantu being the youngest, which would imply to me “most likely to not break down from osteoporosis” as a benefit, but the, shall we say, “healthiness impaired” Nick Johnson would be okay provided he worked for under 2 million dollars?
It seems like we’re just looking for a placeholder since all of these guys kind of stink long-term, in which case, why bother with a severe injury risk at all?
"This is a time when if we weren’t cynical we’d shoot ourselves."
To me, youngest implies most likely to have a bounce-back season...
…Lee is probably on the decline. Johnson, on the other hand, if he is healthy, would be a valuable trade chip, and won’t cost more than a million or two. I’m not suggesting Johnson is the best option. But I’m fine with taking a chance on him. So long as we don’t spend a lot of money or block ourselves from pursuing Fielder or whoever, I don’t care very much.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
you'd pursue Fielder via trade?
Or do you mean when he’s a FA?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Meh
Free agency at this point. Who cares about this year?
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
That's what I figured you meant, just checking.
There have been several people on here talking about trading for him. Makes no sense. There are also several people on here who think he’s not worth signing. Also makes no sense.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
If the Yankees and Red Sox didn't acquire Teixeira and Gonzalez in the past 2 years
I’d say at least kick the tires on a trade. But with them out of the way, we have a legitimate shot in a bidding war, considering Philly also has Howard locked up. I agree there’s no need at all to make a trade, so it could be an exciting offseason next year.
Yeah if he's cheap it sounds like it's worth a risk
But then if he’s done for the year in mid-May and Lee, LaRoche, and Cantu are all gone, we play Brandon Snyder at 1B for the rest of the year or something?
And thanks for caring about me being pleased. Much appreciated.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Why not?
Or more obviously, we play Scott at first, and get Pie and Reimold in the lineup.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Well yes, that's what I actually do want.
I want Luke to play 1B anyway. I think it’s a better idea than signing someone.
But I don’t think Brandon Snyder will ever be anything.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
So?
I mean, I disagree and think he still has potential, but again, who cares? No prizes for fourth place.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
My emotions care. It's tough watching shitty players every night.
Not to mention all of the extra drinking I have to do.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Eh
This is how it should be done. If Snyder flames out, we try Waring. If Waring flames out, we try Mahoney. And so on…
The Rangers went to the Series with fucking Mitch Moreland playing first. Give me a star, or give me a stream of replacement players.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
PS
We are going to be in last place or fourth at best. You are watching plenty of shitty baseball.
Deal with it.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Oh I've dealt with it
But even I wasn’t prepared for the shittiness that was last year. It almost made me stop liking baseball. I need something, even if that something is just slightly better than replacement level.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I can't agree with this
It is anathema to my beliefs. There is a process that can build a winner here. Everything else is irrelevant, indeed, much of what you are saying is about making it harder to build a winner, by investing resources in pointless ways. Give me the rookies and put the money towards amateur talent and enjoy a slightly higher draft position and deal with the suck.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
ahahaha
still makes me laugh.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I appreciate that
and part of me agrees with that. The logical part of me agrees with that. But I really think that you benefit from not seeing many of the games. When it’s in your face every night, you need more than that process.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Due to being on the West Coast, I tend to listen a lot of games at work and then catch the last few innings at home. So I’m there listening/watching this shit every day. After watching all of this shit the past 13 years, I’ve concluded shit is shit. It doesn’t matter if we acquire Cantu, Kevin Millwood, Miguel Tejada or whoever and win 72 games instead of 69. Shit is shit. Winning 72 games is maybe slightly more bearable than winning 69 games. But it’s still a shit sandwich. The former maybe has some regular mayo rather than the non-fat mayo but SHIT is still SHIT.
Spewing negativity.
on the other hand
how much more enjoyable is watching Adam LaRoche over Brandon Snyder?
I do however agree that Snyder is on the scrapheap.
"This is a time when if we weren’t cynical we’d shoot ourselves."
yeah but
do you really get enjoyment out of individual players? Wigginton was far superior to Atkins, and theoretically I’d have a lot more fun watching Wiggy than the Beav, but I really, really didn’t. I didn’t like watching either one of them, because the team was still pretty awful. Obviously better…but still really awful and not any fun to watch.
"This is a time when if we weren’t cynical we’d shoot ourselves."
I absolutely enjoy watching individual players
Cal Ripken is my favorite player of all time, and currently I enjoy watching Markakis, Roberts, Matusz, etc. Obviously I’d rather see the team succeed as a whole, but I’ll take what I can get in the losing seasons and hope that all those individuals turn into a great team.
well okay
but we’re talking about Adam LaRoche and Brandon Snyder. At that point, who gives a shit who’s playing, because you aren’t going to be enthralled with either one of them.
"This is a time when if we weren’t cynical we’d shoot ourselves."
Very true
and I doubt LaRoche duplicates last season if he signs here. But at least he doesn’t make me wanna pull my hair out like Atkins did or Snyder might.
exactly
of course, all of us enjoying watching individual success but we care about team success MUCH MUCH more than individual success at the end of the day.
Spewing negativity.
Maybe so...
…but I listened to and watched a lot of the games this past season, at least until the show started, so I watched a lot of the worst of last year. I don’t think that my suffering is so far removed. The difference I think is more that I suffer most when I watch the team make bad long-term decisions, not when they make bad decisions or plays on the field. The stupidity hurts me more than the losing.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I hope neither you nor birdman
Thought I was implying that I think you’re less loyal or less involved because you’re out of town. I don’t think that but when I re-read it I thought maybe it sounded that way.
I guess it just comes down to different flavors of fandom. But I want the team to be better than it is presently, even if better is only 4th place. If I go to 20 games a year, it gets very taxing to go see a team where the left fielder falls on his face. And it makes me not want to go, which takes something away from me that I love.
I just don’t see why the team can’t have both short term and long term improvement plans, although it’w obviously tougher than it seems since the Orioles have seemed to have neither over the last decade.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
by Stacey on Dec 14, 2010 4:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
didn't think that at all
i know you said you’re pretty snarky in the other thread but you’re typically very respectful to all posters. jen royale, not so much.
Spewing negativity.
jen royale with cheese?
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I know baby! You dig it you most.
Royale, Royle, Doyle, it’s all the same. j/k, I’ll try to get her name right in the future.
Spewing negativity.
Sigh...
You missed that one guy, what’s his name? Artkin? Atkile?
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 14, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
man it must suck to be a Pirate fan
I don’t understand why a team like the Pirates would sign him. What am I missing?
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
haha
The Red Sox are considering reliever Matt Albers as a depth signing, reports Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe. We’ve seen Boston linked to most high-profile relievers, but Albers would likely be signed cheaply
It’s the Ric Flair Theory of baseball – To be the man, you gotta beat the man. -duck
by Parkinglotninja on Dec 14, 2010 3:19 PM EST reply actions
source:mlbtraderumors.com
It’s the Ric Flair Theory of baseball – To be the man, you gotta beat the man. -duck
by Parkinglotninja on Dec 14, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
He'll replace Okajima as the bullpen arm the Orioles can dominate!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Did the O's sign someone (Gregg maybe)
I had ESPN on, and only caught the tail end of it, but I thought I heard “_________ is taking his closer’s role to the Baltimore Orioles”
nothing official yet
but i did just hear that they are close to a deal.
It’s the Ric Flair Theory of baseball – To be the man, you gotta beat the man. -duck
by Parkinglotninja on Dec 14, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing Definite, but it sounds close
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/mlb/news/story?id=5919661&source=MLBHeadlines
Right-handed reliever Kevin Gregg is close to signing a two-year deal with the Baltimore Orioles worth $12 million, according to a league source.
The Boston Red Sox and Washington Nationals are also still involved in talks with Gregg, the source said, but Baltimore is the clear front-runner.
Not often you hear Baltimore as the "clear front-runner" when it comes to FAs
Especially when Boston is in the same sentence.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Baltimore has shown a consistent ability
to overpay wildly for relievers. It’s like our trademark.
(whistles, clicks tongue, snaps finger)
Dear Orioles: you’re having such a non-offensive winter, why are you fucking it up with huge deals for mediocre relievers?
"This is a time when if we weren’t cynical we’d shoot ourselves."
We have this player on the roster already, and his name is Alfredo Simon.
Except Simon isn’t being handed $12 million.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 14, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta have someone to replace Simon and Jim Johnson
when we trade them for Prince Fielder, straight up.
Haven't we been over why the trading for Fielder thing is stupid?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'd take a year of Price for JJ and Simon
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I'd take a year of Prince for Simon
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
we're nothing compared to the Angels.
And if the Angels the queen of california
Baby the Orioles are the king of the rain
Spewing negativity.
Great, let's give $12 million to a guy who walked 30 in 59 innings.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 14, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Gonzalez?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Connoly put the kabosh on a $12M deal
says 2/$8-$10M offer is on the table.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
I find 1/8-10 to be just slightly less offensive.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
which is to say, it's basically a slur against my fanhood
"This is a time when if we weren’t cynical we’d shoot ourselves."
It is less horrible, and also something Gregg is less likely to take.
So both of those are positives.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 14, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
I am quite confident that nobody is going to outbid us for a mediocre reliever that we're trying to overpay for.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I wish I could disagree with this statement.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 14, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, well....
Ebola is slightly less worse than bubonic plague. Results are the same, though.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Hopefully this take Gregg out of the equation
Now, Harold, he's a friendly guy. He rambles on and on. He'll talk the balls off a rhino-saurus.~Primus, Harold of the Rocks
Doesn't look like it will
This is a reclamation project, we still need to overpay a former closer on a multi year deal.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
AH, HA!!
Take THAT, MFYs!!
"They're throwing bottles at your house...Come one, let's go break their arms." - Henry Fool
by Fahrenheit 451 on Dec 14, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
nvm
thought this “saved 30 games and posted a 2.14 ERA with 7.6 K/9 and 3.2 BB/9” was last year. Can we still get Gregg please?
Bring back Luis Matos.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Dec 14, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
doubt it, he's signed for $1M
He sounds like a cheap extra arm to keep around to build depth.
Spewing negativity.
Isn't that what we want in the bullpen?
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Question
why didn’t we just keep Matt Albers, who is probably better than Jeremy Accardo, and will cost less?
"This is a time when if we weren’t cynical we’d shoot ourselves."
Albers wouldn't budge on his demand that the O's provide a lifetime supply of Marshmallow Fluff
Deal breaker.
Now, Harold, he's a friendly guy. He rambles on and on. He'll talk the balls off a rhino-saurus.~Primus, Harold of the Rocks
by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 14, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Albers was going to be in arbitration.
Not sure it’s guaranteed he would cost less than Accardo if the Orioles had tendered Albers.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 14, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
According to ZiPS
Albers does indeed project to be the better player (82 ERA+ for JA, 93 ERA+ for Phat Albers in more innings), but Accardo is cheap. I doubt Phat Albers will sign for less than $1M.
Spewing negativity.
True, but I think when we’re talking below-average relievers, might as well go with the guy who might have more upside. Accardo’s a real longshot – he used to have a 94 MPH fastball with pretty good sinking action that didn’t really come back after Tommy John surgery – and his most likely projection is likely worse than Albers, he’s probably more likely to be good at some point than Albers. You gotta go with upside on the way up and certainty on the way down.
by D.Szymborski on Dec 14, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Right
Even in arbitration we’re talking maybe $50k more and a tab at Pickles for a guy with WHIP less than…2. Big Time ’em, Andy.
"They're throwing bottles at your house...Come one, let's go break their arms." - Henry Fool
by Fahrenheit 451 on Dec 14, 2010 7:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
this is albers first year of arbitration
he’s due a raise that’s much greater than $50,000K. He made $.68M last year. He could get double in arbitration. Maybe Andy will try to sign him for less as a free agent.
Spewing negativity.
Gammons is reporting the Saux already have a deal worked out with him.
Now, Harold, he's a friendly guy. He rambles on and on. He'll talk the balls off a rhino-saurus.~Primus, Harold of the Rocks
by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 14, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
too late.
he’s a red sox.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
You under-value
the tab at Pickles.
"They're throwing bottles at your house...Come one, let's go break their arms." - Henry Fool
by Fahrenheit 451 on Dec 14, 2010 8:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Seriously - Orange Crushes are like, $6, I think?
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Wait, Albers is actually better than someone else?
Is that possible? Did you SEE him last year?
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
you know, i remember albers being so damn shitty
but his ERA was 4.52 (ERA+ 94) in 75.2 innings. That’s by no means good, but he wasn’t as shitty as I thought he was.
Spewing negativity.
How in THE HELL was his ERA+ 94?
Not questioning you, just a methodology that would argue Matt Albers was just about average last year.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Well, average reliever tends to be around 108 (96 for starters), so he really wasn’t that close to average. Certainly ended up better than he looks.
by D.Szymborski on Dec 14, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Albers actually had some good stretches last year
like (and this is totally cherrypicking)
June 24-July 29: 12 games, ERA 2.18, WHIP 1.11
or
April 16 – May 26: 17 games, ERA 3.57, WHIP 1.41
I remember there was a stretch where he was the only guy in the ’pen who could get people out, and we were worried DT would start to overuse him. Which he did.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Accardo is worse than Albers?
that’s….scary.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 14, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
lol @
“The Yankees agreed to sign Mark Prior to a minor league deal, according to ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick on Twitter.”
Bring back Luis Matos.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Dec 14, 2010 6:01 PM EST reply actions
They're offseason is saved!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Holy shit.
I can’t believe I used “they’re.”
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
I think you mean royle'd
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 14, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
I was actually just throwing in an unnecessary apostrophe
Although there is an old Strongbad joke there too, but what can you do.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 14, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Pish
Proofreading is for the weak.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
would've been funnier if you typed week.
Igpay Atinlay
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Dec 14, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
I did think about it
But decided it would be lame
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
+1!11!!!!1!!!!
Bring back Luis Matos.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Dec 14, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
this is literally the funniest joke I've ever seen on CC*
*not literally.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
They had Wood last season (Ha! Wood...)
They needed to add Prior now just to follow it up. Maybe the Yankees are following the Orioles’ lead in gathering ex Cubs.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Heh...Texas says that they couldn't get Lee because he wanted more guaranteed years
Something tells me that they’re full of crap.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
i read that too
i read he wanted 7 guaranteed, but they turned him down.
What up?
by snakethejake on Dec 14, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yea well he took 5 years from Philly
So I think Texas is just making excuses.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Just because he took 5 from Philly, doesn't mean he would've from Texas
He may very well have told Texas he’d sign with them over Philly if they gave him the 7th year, and they declined.
Which would be interesting,
because if true it means with similar offers, New York would’ve been THIRD on his list of choices. Fuck you, Yankees.
that's pretty clear anyway,
since he called texas personally to tell them no, but had his agent call NY
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
You know what pisses me off
when people can’t enunciate secede and make it sound like “succeed.” Or when they say things like “the Sudan oil” and not “the Sudanese Oil”
Bring back Luis Matos.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Dec 14, 2010 7:54 PM EST reply actions
you know what else grinds my gears?
No one’s come up with a new priest and a rabbi joke in like 30 year
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 14, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting take on the Lee deal....and something I didn't know
Lee’s son has leukemia and Philadelphia has one of the top children’s hospitals in the nation.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
It did have the feeling of a non-baseball factor driving the decision.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
These days, that's nothing.
Trust me. Some of the names I see, I swear the parent lost a Scrabble game.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Yep
He also apparently made a million dollar donation there while he was playing in Philly the first time.
Yea
Wouldn’t surprise me if this had a role in his decision. If so, good for him. That’d be better than money or years or whatever.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 14, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Man, does Cliff not know about Hopkins?
Best of luck to his kid though, obviously.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
Billy Joel Rock Band!!!
Sorry, i’m a nerd.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
hahah so Royals Review wrote a satirical post about Carl Crawford opening a bookstore in Boston
And it got retweeted by a bunch of people who started asking Carl Crawford about it on Twitter, and finally Crawford posted, “Yes for those asking, I am going to open a bookstore. Details to come.”
http://www.royalsreview.com/2010/12/12/1871536/carl-crawford-to-open-antiquarian-bookstore-in-boston
http://twitter.com/CarlCrawford_/status/14862289140187136
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
that is HI-larious.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
You don't have to like the Royals,
heck even like Baseball, to find Royals Review entertaining as hell. I love their “better know a Royals radio affiliate” series.
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
Royals Review is a daily must read
The Dayton Moore Incompetence Tournament is something that should be done for the entire Peter Angelos era. As good as Royals Review:Lookout Landing, CC: OH. And Lookout Landing is pretty awesome.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
"Scarlett Johansson & Ryan Reynolds have split. "
YES!
Bring back Luis Matos.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Dec 14, 2010 10:31 PM EST reply actions
Rebound time.
Bring back Luis Matos.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Dec 14, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Dude I think he might be out of your league.
:)
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 14, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Alright, well played.
Props where props due.
Bring back Luis Matos.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Dec 14, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
I rewatched part of She's Out of Your League yesterday
I can’t stand Jay Baruchel. He’s freakin’ terrible. But the notion that we tend to sabotage ourselves through our own insecurities when dating someone out of our league contains a good bit of truth. I try to keep that in mind when girls date me and give them a little extra slack.
Spewing negativity.
Unwatchable, that movie was...
un-fucking watchable. The only half-funny parts were the conversations with his friends and the jokes about Disney movis. The girl wasn’t even that hot.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 15, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
thought it was ok, other than baruchel of course
he had a role similar to seth rogan in knocked up (how do two geeky guys handle dating someone smoking hot). but rogan’s character at least had some damn balls. and alice eve is insanely hot, 6 toes and all.
Spewing negativity.
"So your saying there's a chance?"
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
that took courage.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 15, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yes. But none of you will ever see my lavender room with posters of Ryan Reynolds, James Franco, and Ashton Kutcher
Oh…um…never mind?
Where are my shoelaces?
Ashton Kutcher? SERIOUSLY?
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
ahaahahah Ashton Kutcher is TOTALLY my shame
Actually I haven’t seen or thought about him much lately, but when I was in my early to mid-twenties I thought he was so amazing looking but didn’t tell anyone because I felt like I should hate him. My sister bought me a key chain at Claire’s that said “I ♥ Ashton” to make fun of me.
I didn’t realize people were still into him.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I thought Ashton Kutcher was like... so 90s.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 15, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
nah, he was the 2000s
That 70s Show definitely started when I was in college, so the late nineties.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Buddy of mine is from Iowa
He said he has some friends back home that knew Ashton from HS, and he was a complete asshole, then, too.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
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