Saturday Open Thread
by duck on Dec 18, 2010 6:00 AM EST
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PrintIt's Saturday. You've got shopping to do, presents to wrap, Young Adult fiction books to read (just not "Twilight") and precious little sports, aside from the rumored ouster of Ralph Freidgen from UMd football. Oh, and that sweet, sweet Matrix-inspired wall-push kick from Anthony Pettis on Thursday's last WEC show. That was dope.
Orioles Insider: Accardo excited to be on board
"I talked to probably five or six teams, maybe even seven, that were pretty legitimate talks," Jeremy Accardo said in a phone interview. "When I talked to Andy and Buck on the phone, I was pretty sold there. I just wanted to weigh the options. This is where we want to be for the next few years, and hopefully even longer than that." So, if this is where you want to be for the next few years, why did you agree to a one-year deal?
Orioles Insider: Agent: O's one of few teams still in mix with Gregg
The agent of Kevin Gregg sounds like he's trying to create the illusion of a market for a multi-year deal for his client. And Andy MacPhail will patiently wait. And wait. And wait. And then Gregg will sign for what the O's offer. Or, Andy completely misreads this, and some other team signs him to a stupid multi-year deal. Either way, we win.
Berken expects to be ready for Spring Training | MLB.com: News
"While the Orioles continue to replenish their depleted bullpen -- officially signing Jeremy Accardo on Friday, with hopes of adding one or two more arms -- there's growing optimism that they will be further bolstered this spring by reliever Jason Berken, who expects to be healthy in time for camp."
Steve Melewski: Dave Schmidt talks about Hobgood's fastball
"We can't sugarcoat it. We haven't seen the fastball velocity or the break on the curveball - no, we haven't seen that. But I have seen other things that lead me to believe that he is going to get that back." I'm sure this all ends well.
Joe Blogs: Being There With Greinke
If a reporter says they know what Zack Greinke is thinking, turn the channel. They're making stuff up. Joe Posnanski says Greinke is about as unknowable a player as he's ever met. Not that that's a bad thing.
Greinke wants out of Kansas City - MLB News | FOX Sports on MSN
"Zack Greinke wants to be traded, and the Kansas City Royals intend to grant his wish. Greinke fired his agent on Friday, the clearest indication yet of the ace right-hander’s desire to be sent to another club." Take with a grain of salt. But just a grain.
A toast! A toast! A toast to Mama Dollar and to Papa Dollar, and if you want to keep this old Building and Loan in business, you better have a Open Thread real quick.
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He better have intangibles
Because he doesn’t have a fastball or curve.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
by duck on Dec 18, 2010 7:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
but...
an intangible fastball or curve is better than a tangible one.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 18, 2010 7:55 AM EST up reply actions
maybe...
he’ll skip over the early phase of his career directly into bulldogveteraninningeater phase. he’s THAT good.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 18, 2010 7:57 AM EST up reply actions
Tampa got 4 Players for Bartlett and a PTBNL?
I really hope the Padres were scraping the bottom of the prospect barrel to come up with those 4 names.
Still mystified
Jordan has three recent first round draft busts (which must be added to the starlingly many draft busts of his predecessors) : Rowell, Snyder, and Hobgood. One of our knowledgeable posters wrote some time ago that Rowell and Snyder were defensible, consensus picks, so I am willing to fovgive him them. I am unwilling to forgive Hobgood, whose selection was met with head scratching by the experts. I have yet to hear a cogent explanation from Jordan for bypassing all of the other talent on the board for Hobgood. I realize that Hobgood is still young, and that it is too early to tell, etc. But, we are starting to hear the same mantra (still young, etc.) that we heard for years about Rowell.
I hope that Jordan is vindicated and that Hobgood comes on strong. I suspect that this year is important for him. He is no longer right out of high school, he should have gotten the message about fitness, and worry about his career should be a motivator. I wonder if he should start at Frederick or go back to Delmarva?
I'm guessing last year was a pretty big slap of reality to him
Here’s hoping his (hopefully) improved conditioning will pay dividends this spring.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
hope he makes it to frederick
by thewaywardO on Dec 18, 2010 11:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hobgood hasn't worked out, to be sure
But I’m not sure how true this is:
I am unwilling to forgive Hobgood, whose selection was met with head scratching by the experts
A few things:
- Hobgood was the Gatorade High School player of the year, and that’s some impressive company to keep
- Though he was generally viewed as a late first round pick, there were rumors on BA’s draft blog that the Rockies were in on him at 9 overall.
There is little doubt that his desire to sign was certainly a factor in him signing. I guess the issue from my perspective is if you have a budget of x dollars (let’s say $10M), and you don’t feel very strongly about anyone at 5 overall, does it make sense to go with the signability pick and go overslot at different places in the draft?
Having said that, missing on a top 5 pick is a big reason bad teams stay bad. The three regrettable picks you mention do give pause. Conversely, Jordan has done well at other places, with picks like Reimold, Britton, Hernandez, Arrieta, Berken, Bergesen, etc.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
The answer to that scenario is increase your damn draft budget
and stop throwing 12 million dollars at relievers. Success!
"This is a time when if we weren’t cynical we’d shoot ourselves."
Agree, sorta
I think with the draft there is a pretty interesting dynamic. I don’t think the Orioles can get into a money war. Let’s say the Orioles double their draft budget in 2011 from $10M to $20M. Sure, it would be great for 2011, but what is going to stop the Yankees and Red Sox from responding by increasing their 2012 draft budget from $10M to $30M? The Orioles have to be careful to not get into a spending war with their larger market brethren. So it’s a delicate balance. I like what the Orioles (and the Pirates) are doing in terms of overslots throughout the draft…this is definitely a worthy strategy…however you have to be careful as well.
I think the Orioles would be better served by signing a ton of international kids, from Latin America and Korea.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
Just curious
any idea how much the average team spends on the draft? Are the Orioles way behind dollar-wise, or do they just suck at drafting period?
they're not way behind
for one thing, Wieters, Matusz, and Machado were all very high draft picks, with large bonuses – and Wieters and Machado are both Boras clients. Rowell also received a very high bonus if I recall correctly. even the year we drafted Hobgood, the budget was high enough to go overslot on a bunch of guys in the lower rounds. I can’t find numbers for the entire draft, but here’s a list of the bonus total from the top 10 rounds of last year:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?cat=11
the O’s rank 5th in total dollars spent, behind the Nationals and Pirates (who picked 1st and 2nd), as well as the Blue Jays (who had 16 picks, due to the sheer number of free agents they lost that year) and Red Sox.
actually...
did the Blue Jays lose that many free agents last year? I was thinking of Burnett but that was two years ago. did they fail to sign a bunch of picks in 2009 or something?
we've had some bad top 5 picks
but every team misses on them. the Rays have generally drafted well this past decade, but their top 5 picks have been mixed. Longoria and Price were great, but Beckham, Delmon Young, and B.J. Upton have been not so great. (yeah, Beckham’s still young – but so is Hobgood and we’re not very hopeful on him. you could also compare Upton vs. Markakis, drafted in 2002 and 2003 respectively). what about the Royals – they have the best farm system in the majors, right? well, their recent top 5 picks have been Alex Gordon, Luke Hochevar, Mike Moustakas, and Christian Colon (who is, at this very early stage, considered a worse prospect than Machado – Sickels gave him a B and Machado an A-). the Giants have a good record in the high rounds despite Sabean’s best efforts – in 2005, for instance, they didn’t have a single pick in the top 3 rounds because of all those type A free agents they signed.
I think the bad teams all have big misses more so than the good teams (I guess this isn't really earthshattering)
The Pirates, Orioles and Royals all have some big misses. Sure there is Greinke and Markakis and Alvarez, but there is also Colt Griffin, Adam Loewen and Daniel Moskos. (I just went with Griffin because I don’t know the Royals draft history that well.)
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
i would be thrilled if our "bad" draft picks were:
Upton and Young
Rowell, Snyder, and Loewen don’t even compare
In all fairness
Loewen was derailed by injuries. Not saying he was gonna be an ace, but he had potential.
Arrested Development marathon before I do some community service!
I’m starting with season 2.
Where are my shoelaces?
regular or mandatory?
by thewaywardO on Dec 18, 2010 11:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Wow. Just..... wow.
Saw Black Swan last night. It blew me away. Run, don’t walk.
WOW.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Have you seen Carlos yet?
Make a point of finding it.
Nice to see Winter’s Bone getting some awards love, btw.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
it seems to have already come and gone
I have to say, I was 100% for Jennifer Lawrence getting the Oscar for Winter’s Bone.
Natalie Portman is the first performance I’ve seen this year that makes me waver, and I’m surprised, because she had historically been kind of meh. A definite breakthrough for her.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I don't care who wins Oscars
I find awards to be pretty silly, honestly. And I’m not sure how to compare Lawrence’s performance with Portman’s, even though I haven’t seen Black Swan yet. But my suspicion is that really the most the two films will have in common is that they are both movies.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I don’t care who wins Oscars
This is a fair point, as the Oscars are incredibly arbitrary.
But I care about awards in general. When someone turns in a stellar performance, it’s nice for it to be recognized; particularly since, in the myopic culture of hollywood, that person’s future castability will hinge in part on the recognition they receive.
Lawrence getting nominated will open some doors for her. But Lawrence winning a major award (SAG, GG, or Oscar) will mean she can pick and choose, and do projects she wants. I’d love to see that happen, à la Marion Cotillard, who we would not be seeing so often today were it not for the recognition she received for La Vie En Rose.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Eh. This is less true than it used to be
Carey Mulligan didn’t win for “An Education” (although perhaps she deserved to) but we’re sure seeing a lot of her lately. Meanwhile, despite how many Oscars they have given her, Hilary Swank (thankfully) doesn’t get so many great offers.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Meryl Streep deserved that Oscar
But that’s beside the point. I think Winter’s Bone deserves BP but I’m fairly certain it will go to The Social Network.
Where are my shoelaces?
I don't like to think of it as a contest
Winter’s Bone was a great movie, and The Social Network was a great movie. They aren’t in competition with each other, and the people who made each movie should be very proud they made a great movie.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Yeah, but it's nice to win
Winter’s Bone’s presence on the GG nominee list is sparse, and that’s ridiculous. Social Network too. Hopefully the Academy has more sense than the Hollywood Foreign Press Association.
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ellen page seems to be in high demand despite "only" an occar nomination.
same with ms. side boob.
Spewing negativity.
carey mulligan=ingenue
different rules. see Hathaway, Anne.
I agree that Swank doesn’t get great offers, but that’s because she’s not really good. I don’t expect Sandra Bullock to get tons of favor now that she got her ridiculous oscar. Neither did Helen Hunt.
I’m talking about actors and actresses who are very good, but are not traditional LA eye-candy. Someone who’s super-talented-but-not-drop-dead-gorgeous can have an entire career because of awards notice.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Meryl Streep is the perfect example of that.
She was never the prettiest woman in Hollywood, but she’s always been one of the most talented.
Where are my shoelaces?
Having spent over a year of my life working with Meryl...
….to say she is one of the most talented doesn’t do her justice. She’s in another league. I’ve watched her act some of the most talented actors of the past twenty years under the table. She’s light years ahead of the rest of the stars of Hollywood.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
by James F on Dec 18, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Completely agree.
I would go so far as to say she’s one of the top 3 actresses ever. Audrey Hepburn has to be another. She’s incredible. She’s like the female version of Dustin Hoffman—she can take on any role and perform it flawlessly. She became Julia Child and she deserved to win that Oscar.
I read an article once explaining why Helen Mirren and Meryl are so ahead of so many other actresses in talent and the author claimed it was because they both had a very formal and great education in acting. I’m not sure how true that is because I think Meryl has something more than skill, she has a gift. Her performance in Sophie’s Choice was the most moving female performance I had ever seen.
Where are my shoelaces?
And Lawrence isn't an ingenue?
She’s like 19 years old and very pretty. She’ll do fine.
If we were talking about Melissa Leo, I’d agree – she’s a fantastic actress who didn’t get much work because of her looks. But Cotillard, Lawrence… these are beautiful women. They will do fine in Hollywood.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
i didn't remember Lawrence as being all that pretty
but i just went and looked her up, and you’re absolutely right. very attractive, and very young. they really roughened her up for that film.
marion cotillard, on the other hand, is in her mid 30s, and while absolutely beautiful, is not knockout attractive per hollywood’s standards. there is absolutely no way she gets to do movies such as Public Enemies, Nine, or Inception, without her first getting incredible acclaim for her role in Ma Vie En Rose.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Sure, but it is the acclaim, not the Oscar win...
…I mean, Cotillard had to have been cast in Public Enemies before the Oscars happened; it came out the next summer. Kathryn Bigelow’s career was revived by The Hurt Locker whether or not she won best director or best picture. Same with Mickey Rourke and The Wrestler.
It is really economic. Up and comers and comeback candidates with critical acclaim are great for production companies and directors because they bring buzz but cost less than more established stars. So if you are new to the scene or back after a long time out of the public eye, you can get a lot of work off of one great comeback performance. Think about where Bill Murray’s career was before Rushmore and where it is now. But winning an Oscar is actually bad for your career if you’re already a big star; see how few favors it did Halle Berry or Julia Roberts.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Yes, I'm not saying it always has to be a win.
Being nominated is the key. But I still think for an unknown, the win can take you even further, particularly if you’ve been nominated for a relatively obscure foreign film (which was in French as well, right?).
Imagine if Brenda Blethyn won the Oscar instead of only being nominated. I think she’d have had a much better career afterward. Instead, she has slipped right back into relative obscurity.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I'm so used to Portman being awful based on the Star Wars prequels
I need to see Black Swan. I hear the Oscar buzz going to Barbara Hershey for Best Supporting Actress rather than Portman for Best Actress.
I’m seeing The King’s Speech ASAP. I hope Colin Firth gets some recognition this year. Jeff Bridges deserved to win for Crazy Heart but Firth was as good for A Single Man.
Where are my shoelaces?
Portman was awful in the SW films
because she did what Lucas told her. As Harrison Ford famously said,“You can writer this shit, George. Doesn’t mean you can say it.”
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
by duck on Dec 18, 2010 8:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I guess. Did Lucas tell Hayden Christensen to be awful?
He’s still awful, so I’m guessing not.
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when liam neeson, ewan mcgregor, samuel l jackson, christopher lee, and natalie portman are ALL awful, you can safely assume it’s not the actors at fault.
by Luke E on Dec 18, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Also, Ian McDiarmid.
At least in Episode III.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I think he tends to be a victim of his choices of roles
ZK, how bad was he in “Shattered Glass”?
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
by duck on Dec 18, 2010 8:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
unbearable, IMHO
and that’s on him, because Sarsgaard was amazing in that movie.
Hayden Christiansen is not a good actor. I don’t think that’s really in dispute. He’s a perfect example of eye-candy who gets regular work solely because he’s eye-candy. You’ll note that he’s pretty much disappeared from the scene. Shattered Glass was partially produced by his brother, which may have had something to do with him getting the role (or maybe he got the role and then got his brother a vanity producer credit, which also has been known to happen).
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
In the interest of fairness
let us not overlook the ripped white jumpsuit scene.
And when I 1st heard the rumour about Joshua Jackson as Anakin I recoiled in shock & horror. But the more I see of Fringe the more I think he would have done just fine.
"Fairy tales start 'once upon a time...'. Fishing stories start 'now this ain't no bullshit...'."
- Cap'n Phil Harris
King's Speech = phenomenal
Helenda Bonham Carter redeems herself after a string of weak shows, and Firth and Rush are sublime.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Inside Job
I went with Inside Job over Black Swan. Until there are the equivalents of OPS+ and ERA+ for dance, I can’t support the industry.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
dying to see inside job.
I’ve heard it will totally freak you out.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
It was pretty good,
I like the informative nature, though I like documentaries. There were a couple of ambush interviews, or inappropriate, I suppose. I don’t know, you got more flies with honey than you do with vinegar…nonetheless, I enjoyed it.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
But the question is, did anyone show up to the theater dressed as two black Swans?
/ was slightly shocked to see Jane Krakowski in blackface on broadcast tv.
That means I'd have to run to...Australia
You know how on the IMDB page it shows the opening date in your country (or the nearest to it)? Welp, it opens 12 January in Sydney.
Actually, I’ll be in the US over the hols, so I can see it in Rochester. Also of note on the IMDB page was its rating: with over 5300 votes it has an 8.9 on their 10 scale, which is stratospheric. I checked the still-hanging-in-there Rog for his take, and he gave it 3 1/2 outta 4, so yeah, it looks tasty.
In other Movietone news, I just saw the Russian 2011 Best Foreign nominee, “The Edge” (and reviewed for Tuesday’s Moscow News). It’s good stuff, all right: Gulag meets “Runaway Train” meets Robinson Crusoe/Rip Van Winkle, with some excellent FFN in the woman’s bathhouse scene. A big change o’ pace, from Alexei Uchitel, and about as different a Russian war movie as you’re gonna see. As in, “Wait, the one with the big rack is with the good guys, right?” Catch it.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
I'd like to chat longer, but BYU is on, and making me money. Or better be. Dammit.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Yeah, they are: 14-0 in the 1st, UTEP looks mega-dazed ‘n’ confused.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
24-3, and the ka-ching finger's gettin' that happy itch
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Oh, it's awesome
the last act is incredible.
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
I was planning on seeing it last night but I got lazy
I’ll definitely see it this week though. Can’t wait.
Spewing negativity.
Greinke article by Joe Posnanski
Is definitely worth the read! It is a well written and interesting article on an immensely talented by a writer who also very talented.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
What do you think it would take to get Greinke?
Tillman, Britton, and Adams? Ouch. I think we should just wait until he’s a free agent (if he doesn’t sign an extension with anyone else, that is.)
by LoveForTheGame13 on Dec 18, 2010 12:56 PM EST reply actions
mlbtr...
said that when the nats asked, royals asked for drew storen, jordan zimmerman and danny espinosa, but doesn’t to think kc can get that kind of haul now that it’s clear how much greinke wants out. recall the meager return minnesota got for johan santana.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 18, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Don't know that Adams has a ton of trade value
Probably more like Tillman, Givens or Hoes and Dan Klein/Ryan Berry.
Which is a totally fair price and we should jump on it.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I'd take that deal in a second
but if that’s all it will take, there’s gotta be some team willing to give a bit more than that.
I guess
Right now MLBTR thinks that it will end up being less than Espinosa, Storen and Jordan Zimmerman. Which to me seems like it isn’t much in the first place.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Odds have to be pretty high that the Orioles are on Greinke's no-trade list, right?
Not sure what it would take to get him to waive that
Zack Greinke’s no-trade clause allows him to block trades to only 15 teams, setting up some intruding possibilities. [The no-trade] list includes the New York Yankees, Boston Red Sox and Washington Nationals, according to a major league source. However, Greinke could be traded to the Texas Rangers, Los Angeles Angels or Detroit Tigers without his permission. The Kansas City Royals are open to moving Greinke, who has two years and a total of $27 million left on his current contract.
That doesnt say the Orioles are, or are not, on it
The mix of teams listed don’t really let you draw many conclusions.
Which was my initial question
he could also waive it for a truckload of additional money, or lessons from Koji on how to grow bad-ass facial hair.
Presumably Detroit and LA would be blocked then as well
You could just as easily conclude that the teams all listed are all in the Northeast, and that the Orioles would similarly be blocked.
That's shocking
I know they’re kinda fucked now with him demanding a trade, but still. We’ll give them something along the lines of your offer and someone will swoop in at the last second with a crazy offer. Actually, maybe not considering New York, Boston, LA and some other big cities are on his no trade clause, I believe.
I dont know about that
but wow, talk about the Bedard trade paying off if that were true…
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I was reading about their prospects
and they have guys at the corner IF spots plus just drafted a SS in the 1st round, so Bell could be a nice piece for them. Bedard is gonna be bringing us players for the next decade.
Moustakas is a 3rd baseman
he’s one of their best prospects (.878 OPS in AAA at age 21). they wouldn’t want Bell.
They already have one of the best 3B prospects nearly MLB ready in Mike Moustakes.
The Royals are basically set for the future at the corner infield spots with Mous & Hosmer.
Now, Harold, he's a friendly guy. He rambles on and on. He'll talk the balls off a rhino-saurus.~Primus, Harold of the Rocks
by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 18, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
3B. And along w/ Hosmer at 1B, Colon at either SS or 2B, Will Myers at C...
and all the pitching they have coming through the pipeline, most notably Mike Montgomery and Aaron Crow, they are going to get good quick. Adding all that talent to Soria in the bullpen, Butler & Kila wherever they play, and they have a bright future in KC.
Now, Harold, he's a friendly guy. He rambles on and on. He'll talk the balls off a rhino-saurus.~Primus, Harold of the Rocks
by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 18, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno...
You sure you’d give that much away for two years of Greinke? He’s really good and all, but we’re presumably not contending this year, so all that to maybe contend in ’12?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
most deals like this depend on an extension being reached with the new team
but that’s also usually when there’s only 1 year left on a contract.
I'm not a big fan of the trade-and-extend strategy.
You’re only actually trading for any pre-FA years. If we don’t need a guy before he hits FA, why trade for him?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Right,
I mean, I understand the thought process; I just don’t think it’s usually worth it.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
yeah, i'm not saying it is either
but you are acquiring more than just the pre-FA years when you do a trade-and-extend, its just debatable how much thats worth.
But if we picked him up, and played half way decently this year (such as over .500)
wouldn’t that give us a better chance of landing the FA 1B we want next year?
If Prince Fielder is the target we want to acquire
he is rep’d by Boras. He will go wherever the most $ comes from. The team’s record from the previous season will have zero bearing on where he ends up.
Now, Harold, he's a friendly guy. He rambles on and on. He'll talk the balls off a rhino-saurus.~Primus, Harold of the Rocks
by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 18, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe I'm just stupid
But I’m thinking Albert P. If the Kiddie Corps delivers, we turn some heads in 2011, does anyone think there’s a chance to get Albert P. provided we offer him everything under the sun?
Absolutely there is a chance if the Warehouse is willing to pony up the bucks.
But, in my opinion, I don’t see the Cards letting him get away. They’ll do what they need to re-sign him. Pujols is too important to their franchise right now. I think, for the O’s, it’s Prince or bust.
Now, Harold, he's a friendly guy. He rambles on and on. He'll talk the balls off a rhino-saurus.~Primus, Harold of the Rocks
by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 18, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, let's get Prince
I just don’t want to pony up the bill for the post game buffets. That will probably be more than what it takes to sign him :)
That's why they got rid of Albers. Can't have both of them fighting over the brownie tray!
Now, Harold, he's a friendly guy. He rambles on and on. He'll talk the balls off a rhino-saurus.~Primus, Harold of the Rocks
by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 18, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
But honestly, I have no clue where his head is at
Maybe he wants to stay in St. Louis regardless of what the other offers are.
Heh. Hideki Matsui has a no-trade clause in his contract.
The O’s make the list . Somehow I don’t think that was particularly necessary. We aren’t likely to be in need of a soon-to-be 38 year old DH.
Now, Harold, he's a friendly guy. He rambles on and on. He'll talk the balls off a rhino-saurus.~Primus, Harold of the Rocks
why are the Twins on that list?
does he have some history with them that I’m unaware of?
The fuck if I'd want to take the chance on playing October baseball outdoors in Minnesota.
Now, Harold, he's a friendly guy. He rambles on and on. He'll talk the balls off a rhino-saurus.~Primus, Harold of the Rocks
by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 18, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
As a Redskin & Wizard fan I'm in FML Township
Population: Me. I hate seeing Gilbert go, regardless of the negative pub. He gave me a lot of great memories & it’s sad to see him go, especially for Rashard Lewis. Plus Redskins Park makes Jim Zorn look like Stephen Hawking. Somebody cue the Cure or Morrisey or some other lame shit.
All that’s left for me is Adam LaRoche. I really think he’d be a good fit. The cherry on top of what has been a solid & fiscally sensible offseason. I won’t allow myself to fantasize about Greinke until I get at least 4 bad puns out of Roch. My heart is barely getting by as is.
by KellRawLive on Dec 18, 2010 6:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i'm a magic fan
and i hate to see gilbert coming.
What up?
by snakethejake on Dec 18, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
I dont have a PS3
Can I be your friend anyway?
Bring back Luis Matos.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Dec 18, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
ahahahaha
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 18, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
*leaves blog forever*
Bring back Luis Matos.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Dec 19, 2010 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
last year would have made more sense
considering they won 2 games last year, and 8 this year.
and for leach? the guy’s a ticking time bomb.
on YA novels...
i’m reading Howl’s Moving Castle.
on adult novels…
they’re making a film adaptation of Water for Elephants. no way it’s near as good as the book.
zomg
the animated film of Howl’s is unbelievably good.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
heard it was good
i’ve seen a couple other anime fantasy films and liked them. spirited away comes to mind. howl’s is written by diana wynne jones which doesn’t make me think anime or japanese, but i expect it’s good all the same.
Theres been two anime movies that i've absolutely loved
Ghost in the Shell, which is more typically anime, and Grave of the Fireflies, which is one of the best movies i’ve ever seen, animated or not.
Orioles offer LaRoche 3/16 ?
For MacPhail so loved Birdland that he gave the one and only Adam LaRoche, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Tweet was friend of the blog, Jen Royle. Link is to a fanhouse page.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
I think
It’s more like LaRoche’s agent is trying to get another team to up its years and money, and used The Weakest Link in the traditional O’s media to do it.
No way Andy actually made that offer.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
by duck on Dec 18, 2010 11:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would hope not
Adam LaRoche is better than what the Orioles had at first last year, to be sure, but not worthy of a multi-year commitment. Overpaying by going the extra year on a free agent is so Orioles, and really one (of the many) the team continues to wallow in sub mediocrity.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
ahh, ms J.R.
winning friends all over the Baltimore area:
DanKarr: @JenRoyleMASN Jen any chance u can change your twit profile pic to at least one with an oriole?
JenRoyleMASN: @DanKarr I cover the visiting clubhouse for MASN, not the Orioles. Ill stick with the AL MVP for now :)
lovely!
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I always watch the interviews she does where she just sweats over the player.
It’s annoying.
Bring back Luis Matos.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Dec 19, 2010 2:35 AM EST up reply actions
On camera interviews
You have to be insanely close to not make it look like you’re a mile away. I’ll give her a pass on that one.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
I don't know man.
There’s no way a dude has ever crawled into another dude’s lap like that for a dugout interview, on camera or not.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Greinke traded to Brewers?
Some guys tweet:
From what I hear now: Odorizzi, Cain, Escobar and Jeffress for Geinke
Jeffress and Escobar saw action with the Brewers in 2010. Cain and Odorizzi are apparently well regarded. Reaction at brewcrewball seems to be mixed given the inclusion of Odorizzi.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
Greinke to Brewers
not official, but theoretically true.
A source informed me earlier today that the Milwaukee Brewers have come to a preliminary agreement with the Kansas City Royals for a deal that would send pitcher Zack Greinke to Milwaukee.
The rumored agreement would send shortstop Alcides Escobar, center fielder Lorenzo Cain, and right-hander Jeremy Jeffress to Kansas City in return for Greinke, shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt and approximately $2M.
The extra $2M is to offset a portion of the $31M that would come to Milwaukee in the trade. Coincidentally, Betancourt’s buyout for the 2012 season is $2M — so that number could make a good deal of sense, if the Brewers have no intention of keeping the shortstop.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Seems like a nice deal for the Brewers
I like Greinke a lot, and I’m not sold on the young players the Brewers traded, though I know little about them (I tracked Escobar’s fantasy value given that he was a top prospect coming into 2010, but he had a largely unremarkable season). I know Jeffress is a talented kid who also had some substance related suspension in the past. Odorizzi had a real nice season in 2010, and is a Bish prospect. Same for Lorenzo Cain. However, Greinke is a former Cy Young winner.
The nice thing from the Orioles perspective is that the Yankees didn’t get him. Looks like the Brewers are going all in for 2011.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
Are these guys even good?
They wanted top prospects from everybody else….why give a discount to the Brewers?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 19, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't you
If your biggest bat was on his way out?
Also, they would (theoretically) have Greinke for two years at least, giving them two Very good pitchers at the top if the rotation.
A learning experience is one of those things that say, "You know that thing you just did? Don't do that."- Douglas Adams
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