Thursday Bird Droppings
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PrintOrioles Insider: Quick Ernie Tyler update
Ernie Tyler, long-time Orioles umpires' attendant, has been transferred to a rehab center following his surgery on a benign brain tumor. Get well, Ernie.
Orioles Insider: Orioles have made several offers to free agents
Apparently, Andy MacPhail has made lots of offers to free agents, we just haven't heard about them. Get on that, Baltimore press corps!
Orioles Insider: Revisiting the Type A free agent list
"After last night’s deadline for free agents to accept or reject arbitration, there are 10 Type A players remaining that would cost the Orioles a draft pick if they signed them this offseason. They are: third baseman Adrian Beltre, first basemen Adam Dunn and Paul Konerko, outfielders Carl Crawford and Jayson Werth, starters Cliff Lee and Carl Pavano, and relievers Grant Balfour, Scott Downs and Rafael Soriano." So, do we sign any of them? And how in teh world is Grant Balfour a Type A free agent?
O's might not tender contract to Albers | orioles.com: News
Looking like Matt Albers may be sucking for someone else in 2011.
The Orioles made a "significant offer" to Paul Konerko | HardballTalk
After basically dismissing the report from Jim Bowden, Craig Calcaterra makes the argument Derrick Lee would make a lot of sense for the O's. Adam Dunn isn't even mentioned. I has a sad.
Four Teams That Want JJ Hardy | StarTribune.com
"The Orioles had Cesar Izturis at short, who I think started the year with a ton of praise. You can guess how that went. Actually you probably can’t – it was that bad. Beyond normal words kinda bad." Glad to know we aren't the only ones that noticed.
Food tour with the new Camden Yards concessionaire | In Good Taste | Baltimore magazine
The new food vendor at OPaCY, Delaware North, did a restaurant tour yesterday to check out local eateries for future collaboration, and Baltimore Magazine was there.
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Type A free agents and the draft pick...
You know, if we just sign all those guys (or most of them, minus the relievers), then we really dont lose much in the way of the draft while getting a whole lot better. I could live with an OF of Nick, Werth, and Crawford, Konerko at 1st, Dunn at DH, Beltre at 3rd, and adding Lee and Pavano to the rotation. Hell, go ahead and sign Soriano as well. Why not? Wouldn’t cost any extra draft picks!
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
And, just in case you didn't know, that was a joke.
Obvioulsy we could do without signing Konerko. We’d have Dunn and Luke and they could trade 1B/DH according to who could use the rest.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Beltre
If the Os could sign him to a series of 1 year deals it would be great. That guy only performs well in walk years.
that's not true
but that would be kind of awesome
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
There is a strong argument I think for going nuts once you decide to sign 1 Type A free agent
since the cost of signing each successive deal declines, you might as well sign a bunch in one year rather than spreading them out.
So true
The year the Yanks signed Texiera, CC, and Burnett, they parted with 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round draft picks. There is indeed a benefit in bunching one’s free agent signings.
I dunno...
a 3rd rounder for Burnett doesnt seem like a fair deal to me.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Australian Baseball League....
http://canberracavalry.com/?ID=66034
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
Brendan Ryan is on the trading block.
So now we have two all-glove (former) Cardinals to choose from.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
interesting, though...
ryan is not terrible at the plate and is entering his prime years. look at the cards saber blog “fungoes.” they dig him. to this point, he hasn’t had any single season at the plate as good as the best of bartlett or hardy, but he’s considerably better than izturis at the plate and by a variety of fielding metrics has performed out of his skull in the filed over the last couple years.
couldn’t hurt to ask.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 2, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he's definitely an option.
No idea how much the Cardinals would want for him, though. He’s arbitration-eligible for the first time, so he’s team-controlled for a few years, but they’re also replacing him with a non-tender pickup, so who knows what they think his value is…
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Whoops.
Forgot they got Theriot via trade before he was non-tendered. Still, replacing Ryan with Theriot suggests they aren’t crazy about the former, despite his glove.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
what percent of your day is spent pretending to work?
I think on average I’m well over 50% and many days approaching 100%. Not sure I’ll be able to keep that up when I have to start going into a stupid office again next week, but I’m hopeful.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Go USA!
Although Qatar seems to be a lock. They have absolutely nothing to offer, but they are the favorites. Makes no sense. FIFA = morons.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 2, 2010 10:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's retarded.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 2, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
And even more retarded: fucking Qatar
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 2, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Money talks...
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 2, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Money talks
That’s why Qatar got a UFC event and will get another one. Write a big enough check, you get what you want.
Have fun with practicing in 110+ degree heat, FIFA teams. Sure, the game fields will be covered and have AC, but I seriously doubt all the practice facilities for 32 teams will be.
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
Theres also not going to be nearly enough practice facilities
Theres already talk about teams having to be double and triple booked. And thats only one of the minor problems with their bid.
Qatar is also 'promising' the stadiums will have systems to lower the ambient air temperature by 20 degrees
Which means inside the stadium, you’re still talking about temps in the mid 80s at least
ALSO only two stadiums are planned to hold more than 50k people
meaning attendence will be somewhere around half of what it would’ve been in the U.S.
weak, dude.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 2, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
FIFA is fucking corrupt
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 2, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
In other news, water is wet
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
Bribery.
Does FIFA not realize that Qatar is losing money faster than any country in the world and very well could be bankrupt by 2015 much less 2022?
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 2, 2010 10:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Banking on Qatar to be solvent in 2022 is a pretty big risk
The U.S. may yet end up with that WC.
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
Yea fuck them.
I would decline that offer should it happen. That would be a message to FIFA to give WCs to countries that care and can pay for it rather than countries that don’t give a shit but just throw money at something to get themselves on the map.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 2, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Qatar stadiums look awesome
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-Issues/2010/1202/Who-will-host-the-2022-World-Cup/Qatar
Article mentions that Qatar will allow live prime-time games in Europe. Makes sense.
They're also tiny though
The biggest one would have been about the average size of the potential U.S. sites.
Stupid
Only reason to pass up Australia was to make sure China can get a WC soon too. Two quality bids were passed up for Qatar. The whole thing is bullshit.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 2, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure about that,
while there is no official rotation policy anymore, Qatar is still a AFC country. by 2026 CONCACAF will be the confederation with the longest world cup drought. One advantage the US has is that bidding is relatively cheap for us since the infrastructure plans are pretty minimal. China is definitely looming, but I can see us being the favorite for 2026.
Nope
I firmly believe we’ll never get another one in my lifetime. Too much anti-American sentiment, too much corruption/bribery available from other sources. Qatar didn’t exactly win on merit, people, and Russia bought its bid with Russian Mafia oil money.
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
That and there was NO way England was getting it after exposing the corruption within FIFA
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 2, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Which is also stupid
FIFA crushing anybody who complains.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 2, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
FIFA & the IOC
…the only governing bodies in sport more corrupt than the NCAA.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 2, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
2018 Voting breakdown
First round
England 2, Holland/Belgium 4, Spain/Portugal 7 votes, Russia 9 votes
Second round
Holland/Belgium 2, Spain/Portugal 7, Russia 13
2022 Voting breakdown
First round:
Australia 1, Japan 3, USA 3, South Korea 4, Qatar 11 (Australia eliminated)
Second round:
Japan 2 votes, Korea Republic 5 votes, Qatar 10 votes and USA 5 votes (Japan eliminated)
Third round:
Korea Republic 5 votes, Qatar 11 votes, USA 6 votes (Korea Republic eliminated)
Fourth round:
Qatar 14 votes and USA 8 votes
At least we made it to the final round.
Kinda suprised about Australia though, because they were supposedly the second favorite behind Qatar.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 2, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
I love how Qatar repeatedly got 10+ votes
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I'm wondering how they got 11 votes in the first round
but only 10 in the second round and then 11 again in the third round. Someone really couldn’t make up their mind.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 2, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
That first round is absolutely ridiculous.
Qatar got the same number of votes than the other four COMBINED. Puh-leaseeee. FIFA is full of shit.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
IF they get built, they will look awesome
You do realize they don’t exist right now, right?
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
thanks for the update, snarky
I thought it was safe to assume that these stadiums didn’t exist 12 years before the World Cup :P
These stadium concepts look awesome.
Our stadiums exist
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
Them, too
They have more reason to be P.O.‘d than we do. They hosted last in what, 1966? Even I wasn’t born then.
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
Yep 66
and they invented the fucking sport.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 2, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Qatar will also likely be the worst team to ever play in World Cup
they are going to get absolutely demolished.
Write the check big enough, my man, you ALWAYS get what you want.
That’s how corporatism works.
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
Hope we're in Group A!!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 2, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Question of the Day
How would you feel about signing Manny Ramirez to a cheap, one-year contract to DH?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
He's definitely going to be one of the top bargain candidates for the 2011 season
but….so….much…baggage….
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I know, but dude can hit
And if you can get him at a big enough bargain, it almost seems worth the gamble to me. I don’t think many people would agree with me, though.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
there's no way it happens, that's for sure
enough effort as been put into surrounding the young’uns with positive veteran leadership that there is NO WAY IN HELL that ManRam comes to Baltimore. But, as a pure dollars to wins thing there’s not a single team in the league that would think twice about it.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
You don't think he'll be able to hit in 2011?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Well sure if that's the only improvement they make
And even still, they still have to play the games. You can’t just throw no one out there because one guy won’t get you to the playoffs.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
if the O's sign Cliff Lee and Carl Crawford
then I consider them making sufficient improvements to justify Mannyland. Otherwise, they could use Luke at 1B and DH Reimold (or find some other cheap filler like Foxy lady).
Your mother.
Not just yeah...
…Hell yeah.
I wish we’d traded for him on that Tejada-Manny thing years back. You don’t turn down talent like that for cheap. I could truly care less about his supposed baggage or whatever else fuddy-duddy sportswriters – who not coincidentally sneer over him having braids or wearing baggy clothing – obsess over. Dude can hit. Period.
This
I think most of his “baggage” and “clubhouse cancer” rep is manufactured. Even the things that have been written about him always seem like more of a headache for team execs than for teammates. Did any of the other players give a shit when he went to take a piss during that pitching change? I guarantee you they were laughing about it.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
true
but he did quit on both the Dodgers and the Red Sox. At the plate, when it mattered, because he wanted to go somewhere else. Hard to completely ignore that.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
At this point...
…he’s obviously not a guy you build around. But you add his pop in a key spot in the lineup and he could do some good things around the yard. Add another free agent (Big Donkey! Big Donkey!) and we’re cooking with gas, getting some press as winners for once and improving our chances in next year’s FA Market as players start thinking of Baltimore as being on the upswing.
The key is him being cheap though. Then you have flexibility if he starts acting the fool.
Eh I'd say the feeling was quite mutual and neither team handled it particularly well.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I really, really hate him
but i’d take him. He kinda sucked with the Chisox after the trade (in 24 games), but in the 66 games he played with LA, he had an OPS+ of 151. That’s higher than Luke had last year. His combined OPS+ last season was 138. For comparison, Nick was at 119. Do I want to add a relatively cheap player that instantly becomes one of our biggest offensive threats? Yea, I think I do.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Qatar?
I guess you might say someone…
shades
…struck a chord.
(YEAHHHHHHHHH)
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 2, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
I hate soccer
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
by Stacey on Dec 2, 2010 11:45 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
get 'emmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
How is it only Thursday?
I want to take this week out back and shoot it in the g.d. mouth.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
This week has flown by for me.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Dempsey's Army says no to Konerko
http://dempseysarmy.blogspot.com/2010/12/why-baltimore-would-be-better-off.html
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I love how LaRoche is the base model
for all of these free agent things
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
To think we could have gotten him for Brian Roberts
Or is that the other LaRoche? Whatever.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 2, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
My little brother is mad at me for not being upset if we don't sign Konerko
Sometimes he makes sense, other times its like being related to the MASN message board.
How little?
Maybe there’s still hope for him.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I just switched out my two 17" monitors for two 24" monitors
It’s magnificent.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Welcome to the club.....
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
by NewYorkOriole on Dec 2, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
ugh, apparently the gf has mono the week before her first set of law school exams ever
I really can’t imagine any unluckier happening.
Pretty sure that's just karma for owning a pink jersey
But yes, that does suck.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
K-Law on Konerko
Donny (Toronto)
Hi Keith, Why would the Orioles be going after veterans such as Konerko. He is a good player but lets be honest Baltimore has no chance of the playoffs with or without him. They have a decent core but in that division fighting to maybe finish 4th makes no sense to me.
Klaw (1:04 PM): And at his age the cliff is near enough that a team like Baltimore shouldn’t want to shoulder that risk.
Get em.
Your mother.
woohoo K-Law answered my question
Steve (Anaheim): I know defense is notoriously difficult to predict, but what type of defense will Dunn provide in the future at 1B? He seems to made strides last year.
Klaw (2:09 PM): He was excellent. All that clanking was Zimmerman’s fault, remember?
Not sure what he means by the Zimmerman part though.
Your mother.
Did anybody see how Zimmerman was throwing this year? He totally changed his arm angle and it really looked shitty. It looked like he had a shoulder injury and was trying to baby it or something..
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Pretty sure that was snark, bud
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Right - which is why I was throwing it out there. It's stupid snark.
Zimmerman’s throwing really was worse this year.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
It sounds like he's being sarcastic to me...
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Grammar police does not enjoy "he seems to made strides" however.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
i noticed he said some unflattering things about Dunn earlier in the chat
So he probably thinks Dunn’s defense is still pretty shitty.
Your mother.
The joke is
that Zimmerman didn’t win the gold glove because of Adam Dunn’s recieving leading to more Zimm errors.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Ehhh
Here’s an interesting response to that argument:
http://flotn.blogspot.com/2010/11/open-letter-to-dave-sheinin.html
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
i saw that
my initial reaction was what would have “good” 1B done. Are those three errors fairly typical? Or would have a decent fielding 1B caught those errors? And I don’t know the answer to my questions. Just asking.
Your mother.
Yeah thats hard to know
but even if an average 1B had caught all three of those throws would he have won the gold glove? Seems unlikely.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Well but if they are routine wouldn't he get the error rather thant he thrower?
Obviously scorers don’t get every assignment right, but usually if a 1B misses a routine throw he gets the error.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
what difference does it make anyway?
here’s what we know: Adam Dunn is bad at defense at first. He’s not as bad as he is in the outfield, but he’s still bad. But it’s still just first base.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I thought he was slightly above average this year, his first full season playing the position? Is that still bad?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
the numbers say
he was slightly below average. The scouts say he was worse than the numbers say he was. And in reality, one season is not nearly enough data to make a judgment on.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
the comments from the article
echo what I’ve heard other people say. Good range but his glove work is horrible. I can easily see him putting up horrible UZR numbers in the future, which will make him a 1 or 2 win player. There’s no way I do $60M, 4 years for him. I would nervously offer him $48M, 3 years at most.
Your mother.
Ah yeah
I knew he was right around average, but thought it was above.
So if it’s not definitive enough to make a judgment on how can you say this?
here’s what we know: Adam Dunn is bad at defense at first.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Similar to below, why do the 194 games he played at 1B before his first full season as a first baseman matter more than the 153 games he played there this year?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
more data is better
but 194 games isn’t big sample either. nobody making definitive statements here. we’re just going by what we have available.
Your mother.
More data is better when it's apples to apples.
His 1B experience prior to 2009 really tells us nothing about his current abilities there. He played exactly 2 games at 1B from 2005 to 2007. Does how he played there in a part time role more than 5 years ago really tell us anything about how he is currently playing or will play in the future now that it’s his full time position?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
How can you reasonably say that these tell us anything??
-44 games in 2002
-19 games in 2003 (only 7 starts)
-10 games in 2004
-33 games in 2005
-2 games in 2006
-zero games in 2007
-19 games in 2008
I just don’t see how judging him based on playing the position once every 3 weeks is at all meaningful.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
man, you're really going to browbeat me until i agree with your position.
Look, there’s both quantitative AND qualitative here. Both sources of data do not paint a favorable position. The quantitative data are not large enough to make reliable conclusions but it corroborates the qualitative data. I’m comfortable with saying Dunn isn’t a good 1B. At BEST, he’s average, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s terrible the next few years.
Your mother.
That's fine.
I think if anything there’s reason to think he’ll get better since this is his first time playing the position full time and he’s already showed improvement, but I’m sure most would disagree with me on that.
My only beef is with people making assessments based on minimal games played 6-7 years ago in a part time role. That seems akin to colleges using small sections of PSAT scores rather than full SAT scores for admission – they are no longer a reflection of anything other than past performance in very small sample sizes.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
you can weight the importance you place on certain types of data
obviously older data should taken less seriously than newer data. should you throw out old data out all together? well, that’s up to you. not sure there’s a “right” answer.
Your mother.
Sure
but I just don’t think you should say things like this based on that type of data:
bad scouting reports, -14.4 UZR for his career at 1B
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I'd prefer you put quotes around that. Since they're really not facts.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
those comments were about 2010
but his defense at first for his career is lousy.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
If 153 games at 2010 isn’t enough to judge him, then how is the other 194 before he was a full time first baseman enough to judge him on?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
your point is noted
fact: we have no idea how good Adam Dunn is on defense at first, but he’s definitely below average, and the scouts say he’s worse than that.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Scouts also think his K's are a bad thing.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Every time he K's is one home run lost.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
and...
every time he homers, he kills a rally. fuck that guy.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
srriously...
if he just got some hits and made some productive outs every once in a while…
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
He can't win.
Poor guy :-(
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
If we have two data points,
one saying he’s awful and the other saying he’s a bit below average, there’s little reason to think he might be average or better.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Eh
I would argue that this years data point puts him in the noise range of average and much of the data prior to 2009 is meaningless (since he barely ever played there). So to say that he’s bad based on it doesn’t make much sense to me. I’m not trying to say he’s good or above average, I’m just saying the data isn’t strong enough to say that he’s bad.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
But it's not strong enough to say he's anything but bad.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I don't agree with that.
I specifically don’t think it’s strong enough to say that he’s bad. I think it’s very difficult to say he’s anything other than within the noise range of average. I don’t think average is bad. It’s average.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Noise range of average doesn't mean average.
I’m within noise range of a Metro stop. I am not, however, at the Metro stop.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Is a metro stop a statistical measure?
Is there a margin of error for a metro stop?
You of all people should know that UZR is not even close to precise (nor are any of the defensive measures.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I'm not referring to any stats
I’m just saying that they are completely inconclusive.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I don't know what you mean.
We were having a debate about defensive statistical data in which using a phrase like the noise range to describe margin of error would be perfectly reasonable and you compared that to a metro stop.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Whatever
I’m saying it’s inconclusive data. You admitted that yourself. Rather than beat this with a stick all afternoon, let’s kill it there.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
haha my entire point was that it was inconclusive.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
would you two just kiss already?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Speak for yourself dude.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Community?
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 3, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Wait...that's what I said
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
its not really strong enough to say anything
but I thought O’sFan21 hated UZR above all else?
DRS hated DUnn last year (-8)
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I know he's said this kind of thing before, but it's always nice to see:
spider monkey (trees): Do you see Matusz making a big step in 2011? He was up and down in 2010, but obviously has the talent to be exceptional.
Klaw (2:09 PM): Yes, I do. Saw enough this year to make me optimistic about him in 2011-12.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Aw, the Red Sox non-tendered Okajima.
I’ll miss watching our guys pummel him.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
We can always hope he'll go to the Yankees....
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
i just remember jay payton
hitting a really important home run off of him. jay payton was then pretty cool for 1 day.
Your mother.
Career 5.76 ERA against the O's.
That’s despite a mediocre .261/.323/.405 batting line against him, interestingly enough. B-Rob (1.000) and Dr. Jones (1.100) have great OPSs against him in tiny sample sizes. He played a part in Birdland Day: 0.1 IP, 5 H, 4 ER.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
You Guys!!
Jason Varitek just resigned in Boston!! We’re totally gonna be stuck with Matt Wieters if we don’t act quickly!!
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Lets sign Jorge Posada right now!!
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 2, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
We're fucked.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 2, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
I propose trading Wieters for Varitek at this very moment
Any dilly-dallying my cost us a shot at a catcher upgrade!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Not picking on you, but...
Pet peeve: lack of hyphen in re-sign. Resign pretty much means the opposite.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
The grammar police strikes again!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Andrew_G: I don't proofread, and I don't want to proofread
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
this got me with the Davey Johnson thing way back when
ten year old Steve. was all “re-signed?! THANK GOD!!” but the headline actually said “resign”
cxcxcxcxzzzzzzzzz
Hi there, and welcome to Pac-10 2-Nite. This Thursday's Special Story: Zona Gonna Scum Debbil Yo Mama
I’ll put up the whole sked tomorrow. For the mo’:
ASU @ Zona (-5 ½ ): If Foles could throw for 448 at Orygun in a cold rain, whaddaya think he can put against the Scum Devils in the warm, thin desert air? Sure, I was as impressed as anybody by Osweiler’s step-up job for a bell-rung Threet against UCLA, but this Big Game may be too tall an order even for a 6’ 8" QB – he’s starting his first game, all right? I’ll take Zona @ 5 ½, thanks.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Faaaaaaccccckkkkkkkkk: Debbils 30-29 (2 OT). Thx for ruining my breakfast.
The reason NCAAF is hard to bet is that even when games follow script, you can still lose easily enough, often enough.
Foles beats Osweiler, but his team miss two PATs — one for OT, one for ball game — and that’s that. Zona shoulda won this by 7 in the 3rd OT, but they didn’t, dammit, and I put the blame squarely where it belongs: Obama is a socialist.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
meanwhile
looks like the white sox are closing in on Dunn for 4/56…and if that’s true, well, see my comments re: Victor Martinez
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Sickels is looking for Oriole prospect info today
On his blog. Any sleeper Oriole prospects should be mentioned there.
Librarians are hiding something
so if dunn signs with chicago
that shuts out konerko, but i think konerko will retire before coming to BAL judging from the rumors.
Your mother.
calcaterra is saying
he knows something about chicago bringing back paulie, too.
So maybe Dunn doesn’t care if DHs or not anymore?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
he'll go whoever offers the most money.
nobody gives a shit about his non-DH preference. if the WS want to pay $14M for a DH, they’re morons.
Your mother.
What fucking bullshit
Those fuckers need both? Fuck the White Sox, I hope they fucking suck next season. So LaRoche, Berkman, Lee, and Pena. Woopty fucking doo.
by LoveForTheGame13 on Dec 2, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
4/56M
i thought the bidding started at 4/60!
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Dec 2, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
i'm putting my money on...
macca: we put in a strong offer of 4/52.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
i betcha 4/60 would have gotten it done
i don’t think anyone would have countered beyond that deal.
Your mother.
sounds to me like a man who knows his market...
there’s a lot of 1Bs available w/ a “more traditional” skill set and he sort of fucked himself last time by waiting aound too long.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
Ugh
Who do we get then?
The world is a mess and I just need to rule it.
by James (Lost in Boston) on Dec 2, 2010 5:01 PM EST reply actions
Ah fuck it
maybe they should just sign Derek Lee to a cheap deal since he wasn’t even offered arb. Nobody we’re going to sign is going to make that big of an impact at this point.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
by O'sFan21 on Dec 2, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
damn... this is really kind of bothering me.
i know not everyone is a fan of Dunn and I never really expected to get him anyway, but it’s starting to bother me that we are sitting on our thumbs while other teams sign the quality players. Fuck, now I sound like Jen Royle.
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