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With word that the Angels have pulled their deal for Adrian Beltre off the table, Daniel argues that moving Mark Reynolds to first and signing Beltre to play third would be a good move for the Orioles.
No no. No. You don't understand. You can't make a deal with the open thread. Even if you gave him the money he'd still kill you. He's a peculiar man. You could even say that he has principles. Principles that transcend money or drugs or anything like that. He's not like you. He's not even like me.
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Beltre
I get the feeling we could offer $100M/2 years and he wouldn’t take it to play for the O’s.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
maybe...
but that would be a pretty awesome infield.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
You're right - it'd take a Nats contract to get Beltre here
I dunno how I feel about that. I really don’t buy into the “only can play well in contract years” narrative that he has worked up in the media – I think he’d be great for us.
I just can’t see us dropping an offer higher than the 5/70 that was already on the table from a team he’d be more likely to go to, which was summarily turned down. Certainly not MORE years, considering the age factor.
Not directing this at you, but
why is everyone ok with signing Beltre and moving Reynolds to 1B, but the thought of signing LaRoche makes everyone want to vomit? Aside from one steroid standout year, Beltre and LaRoche have put up very similar numbers over the years.
LaRoche career .271 .339 .488
Beltre career .275 .328 .462
both players are capable of 20-25 HR and 80-100 RBI. Plus, at least LaRoche doesn’t shit on Baltimore every single chance he’s given.
Scott Boras client
Boras reportedly wants 90 mil. He turns into Luke Scott outside of contract years (.250/25/90). I’m not gonna waste anymore typing on how wrong he would be for us.
"I guess if there wasn't any luck involved I'd win everytime." -Phil Hellmuth
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Dec 22, 2010 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
That's IT
I’m tired of hearing about Beltre and contract years because it just isn’t true. Let it be known: Adrian Beltre is good at baseball and “contract years” do not influence him.
"This is a time when if we weren’t cynical we’d shoot ourselves."
LET"S GO TO THE VIDEOTAPE!
Year Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+
2004 LAD NL 156 598 104 200 32 0 48 121 7 2 53 87 .334 .388 .629 1.017 163
2009 SEA AL 111 449 54 119 27 0 8 44 13 2 19 74 .265 .304 .379 .683 83
2010 BOS AL 154 589 84 189 49 2 28 102 2 1 40 82 .321 .365 .553 .919 141
CAREER 835 6874 912 1889 397 28 278 1008 113 39 518 1166 .275 .328 .462 .791 108
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 12/22/2010.
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So, what do we see? I chose the years before he moved to a new team with a new contract, i.e. his contract years. With just three years to choose from, it’s a small sample size. In two of teh three, he did well, singificantly better than his 13-year career average of .275/.328/.462/.791/108. His career averages show a pretty good 3B bat with decent pop, but in two of teh three years where his contract was expiring, he exceeded even his normal good numbers.
My verdict? Adrian Beltre is a good player who gets better two out of three times when more money can be had the following off-season.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
And, also, I cannot type the word "the" correctly to save my life, apparently.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
My verdict is that, like all players, his stats fluctuate from year to year.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
But, but, but, look at the diff in RBI!!!!!!!
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
heh
my real point is to look at his road splits from his time in Seattle. Beltre was totally punished by playing half his games in Safeco (and then getting hurt in 2009)
road numbers by year
’05: .248/.295/.440
’06: .283/.343/.462
’07: .285/.317/.533
’08: .292/.349/.512
I have a feeling his truly bad 2005 after his truly great 2006 is the entire basis for the contract year business.
(You mean guys have career years followed up by really bad years? Sounds like a good reason to shop Luke Scott to me…)
"This is a time when if we weren’t cynical we’d shoot ourselves."
If your one truly bad year is at Safeco
I’ll agree, getting out will help. But his other two contract years show a definite uptick. And even then, other pactors come into play. Last year, I can see discounting the contract year theory as well, due to the quirky nature of the ballpark at Fenway. If Beltre’s hitting talents are suited to those dimensions, the ballpark, rather the ciontract status, would be a much more reasonable explanation, or at least one source of the higher numbers. But I’m too lazy to look up his home and road splits from last year, because we aren’t going to sign him, anyway.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
safeco...
for sure and again, playing all those years in the nl west w/ the pro-pitcher parks.
(fwiw, pretty decent career numbers in al east parks)
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
It doesn't matter
Because MacPhail’s not going to give a guy a 90 million dollar contract to play on a last place team. That’s some Beattie/Flanagan shenanigans!
"I guess if there wasn't any luck involved I'd win everytime." -Phil Hellmuth
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Dec 22, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Cracker Barrel
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
i was at a restaurant in china town last friday — a bit late in the evening — and ordered crispy duck wonton soup
the lady said, in very loud voice — “NO MORE DUCK IN WINDOW. NO MORE CRISPY DUCK WONTON.”
no more duck in window, son. no more duck in window.
by thewaywardO on Dec 22, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
No ... Duck.
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
oh man....
….why you gotta do that to yourself? now I see why you think Faidley’s and DiPasquale’s are high fallutin’.
the answer, obvi...
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Chicken and dumplins and baby Lima beans
That’s why.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
by duck on Dec 22, 2010 11:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why it's the Uneeda Biscuit made the trouble, Uneeda, Uneeda. Put the crackers in a package, in a package. The Uneeda Biscuit in an airtight sanitary package made the Cracker Barrel obsolete, obsolete. Obsolete! Obsolete!
"I believe in Earl Weaver's 'Big Inning Theory of Baseball.' The game was created by a Boog Powell three-run shot. You can look it up."
by Emperor Lrrr on Dec 22, 2010 2:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I do love me some Music Man.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 22, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
monorail!
moooonorail!
moooooooooooooooooooooonorail!
"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"
the ring came off my pudding can!
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
use my penknife my good man!
"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"
what about us braindead slobs?
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
You mean zombies?
You should know what we do with zombies.
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
You'll be given cushy jobs!
"I believe in Earl Weaver's 'Big Inning Theory of Baseball.' The game was created by a Boog Powell three-run shot. You can look it up."
by Emperor Lrrr on Dec 22, 2010 3:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mono...doh!
"I believe in Earl Weaver's 'Big Inning Theory of Baseball.' The game was created by a Boog Powell three-run shot. You can look it up."
by Emperor Lrrr on Dec 22, 2010 2:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Littering and... Littering and...
"I guess if there wasn't any luck involved I'd win everytime." -Phil Hellmuth
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Dec 22, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
meow.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
don't you mean...
beattigans?
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
again?
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
no, again WHO!
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Saw it on Netflix instant. Boy was I surprised to find it on there.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
by CoachOfEarl on Dec 22, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
i flixed that badboy haven’t seen it yet
by thewaywardO on Dec 22, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
firmly believe is that mr. brainwash is banksy's creation and a form of street theater.
Andy Kaufman: Bob Zmuda:banksy:mr. brainwash.
Spewing negativity.
My only doubt there
is that pulling it off involved a lot of people going along with it for a long time. If it really all is Banksy’s creation (with a big assist from Shepard Fairey), it involved a stunning amount of planning.
not sure what you mean
it would take a secret understanding between banksy and mr. brainwash… the hoax doesn’t require those in the production of mr. brainwash’s art to know about the hoax.
Spewing negativity.
Maybe
I see him as more of the culmination of taking the art out of art. Dude makes a fortune ripping off clothing designers, decides that street art is teh coolest, and does the same thing: farms out the work, manufactures a name for himself.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
i see it as banksy's critique of how uncritical people are in accepting new fads.
Spewing negativity.
Good point
And Los Angeles makes the perfect setting for such a statement.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
O's 1B woes
What do you guys think of Kila Ka’aihue?
He’s young (26), had some impressive minor league numbers in Omaha, was a bit of a downer when he got called up to the Royals, is totally blocked by Billy Butler, and Dayton Moore is a bit of an idiot.
He probably could be had for a song.
Actually i think teams have checked with the Royals in the past
and the asking price has been really high.
but other than that...
i like him!
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
True....
But the Royals won’t have any place to play him…..Butler is super popular in KC, and Hosmer is more likely to be their 1B of the future than the Kila Monster is….
The one thing MacPhail seems to be good at is putting together lopsided trades…I’m thinking the Royals could be soon lowering their price.
Its a good thought, and there are other similarly blocked prospects we should be going after
My only point was that in the past, the Royals have been surprisingly reluctant to part with Ka’aihue.
I love Kila
kba is probably right – I’d like to think that we’ve at least kicked the tires.
by Dingbat Charlie on Dec 22, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Ka'aihue is my first choice
But Trumbo from the Angels would look real good, too. Since they pulled their offer to Beltre, maybe they would be interested in Josh Bell for 3B. Hell, I would offer them Bell, Tillman and Tatum for Trumbo and Mike Napoli. Napoli is apparently out of favor out there and can catch or play 1B. Sound familiar?
i like napoli...
he can just mash.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
WAIT A SECOND
WAIT ONE DAMN MINUTE HERE.
Just how long has your avatar been the Lionel RIchie head from Hello?
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
i just noticed that, too...
pretty terriffic. do you think replicas are sold? buddy of mine used to have a mr. t bust.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
you could always commission one.
You: “I want it to look exactly like it does in this video”.
Sculptor: (sighs)
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
actually...
my gf’s sis is a sculptor. hmmm…
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Buster Olney says:
It’s almost Christmas and the Orioles don’t have a first baseman. They have been talking with the representatives for Adam LaRoche about a three-year deal for something in the range of $21 million… The Orioles have also been talking with Derrek Lee, for a deal somewhere in the range of $8 million.
Can we please go with the barely-more-expensive, with-upside, one-year deal? Please?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
by Vuff on Dec 22, 2010 9:33 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
uh, yeah...
lee, please.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
Buster also points out
that the O’s could do a cheaper, more productive but less defensively stable platoon situation and use Izturis as a late inning defensive replacement, then use the excess cash on draft picks. Those are his words, not mine. But it’s food for thought.
"This is a time when if we weren’t cynical we’d shoot ourselves."
Yeah, that too.
It seems like Buck really wants good defense at first, so I’m guessing it’s not likely to happen. But it’s definitely an interesting idea.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I'm still, ya know, waiting to hear about what other team is in on LaRoche
that’s making us start the negotiations at 3 years, heh.. When you put a 3 year LaRoche deal up against a similarly valued 1 year Lee deal, yeah, that’s seemingly not a difficult decision, assuming you’re going to go with one or the other option either way.
let's remember...
the only source for the 3 yr deal the O’s offered to LaRoche is Jenn Royle. I think it’s probably safe to assume the O’s never offered a 3 yr deal.
I’m guessing the reason he hasn’t signed is that he is waiting for us to actually offer 3 years.
keep waitin, rocky...
a straight up 3 year deal is insanity.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Haha, duly noted
It’s pretty easy to get caught up when the twitter/blog scene repeats this sort of thing over and over. But you make a very good point :)
Well, Jenn Royle was the only source
until Olney also said it. Now, maybe his source is Jenn Royle, but I like to think he has a little bit more class than that.
"This club is not a good club." --Jim Palmer
Look at last years negotiations
LaRoche turned down a multi year offer from the Giants that was reported to be 2/$18M but was apparently club option heavy, and took a $6M single year with a $7.5M option that the DBs declined and paid the $1.5M buyout.
I think the O’s have more cash available than the DBs do, and that something like 2/15-18 is a reasonable offer for LaRoche. He’s a good 1B, but he’s not great. Given that, 3/21, assuming it’s true, would be something that the O’s could afford to cut bait on if something better comes along, or be used as trade bait, assuming LaRoche doesn’t decline significantly. Not saying it’s the best option, but it’s better than our current in house options.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
by CoachOfEarl on Dec 22, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
get a brain!
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Roch's idea mentioned on HBT
How about Vlad Guerrero at DH and Scott at first base like Roch Kubatko suggested yesterday.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
by duck on Dec 22, 2010 12:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i at least like the idea of vlad.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Just tell him he'll never lose a World Series again if he signs here
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
by CoachOfEarl on Dec 22, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
He likes getting paid, and currently no one is paying him...
He showed in the WS that he will never again play in the field, so his options are limited to AL teams looking for a DH.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
1.011 OPS @ OPACY
in over 100 plate apps. pretty small sample size, but outside of fenway, he destroys the al east.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
I know... I wouldn't be opposed to bringing him in,
I’m just saying that he isn’t in a position to rattle off teams that he hates and refuses to play for. His options are far fewer than our options.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
it's become pretty clear that LaRoche and Lee don't want to play for us either.
To which I say, fuck ‘em. I don’t really want anyone in Baltimore who will be dragging their feet to play for us.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
buck...
is also staunchly anti-lollygagger.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Meh, it doesn't hurt my feelings...
Of course if the options are to play for the Orioles or to play for a team that’s going to contend next year… all else being equal, you would expect most players to choose the latter. When it comes to a point where all things aren’t equal, and it’s in their best interest to play for us, then they will. These guys are all professionals… and most of them realize that if they want to continue being paid millions of dollars, they better put their best out there every night, no matter what jersey they end up wearing.
There aren’t that many teams sans 1Bmen at this time, and there are at least 5 options left for us on the table (LaRoche, Lee, Thome, Guerrerro, do nothing). One of them is bound to end up happening, and if it’s one of those 4 guys, (the latter 2 DHing, obviously) and they have to be brought to the signing table kicking and screaming, I am sure that they will still put up just as good numbers as if their lifelong dream was to play for the Orioles.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
it's not about hurt feelings
I don’t give a crap about hurt feelings. It’s about performance.
These guys are all professionals… and most of them realize that if they want to continue being paid millions of dollars, they better put their best out there every night, no matter what jersey they end up wearing.
..and there’s where you and I disagree. While techinically these guys are all professionals, in that “they are paid to play baseball”, the notion that ‘they all put their best out there every night’ is laughable.
See Ramirez, Manny. Or ROcker, John. Or according to most commentators, Greinke, Zack last season. And a host of others.
I’m not asking someone to proclaim a newfound love for Charm City. But if you really don’t want to play there, then I don’t want you on the team. The notion that guys will somehow “rise above” their dislike for a city because they’re being paid just doesn’t hold water.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I agree
I think there are some guys who don’t care where they are, who are genuinely apathetic about the team colors and the city and can still put out nice quotes and play good ball…but I don’t think there are guys who can go somewhere they hate and still perform well.
"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"
Bear in mind he was facing O's pitching every time he was in OPACY in the past.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Yeah,
this is what I think whenever I see non-O’s stats at OPACY.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
it's not just opacy...
he rakes all over the east.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather have Jim Thome
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
me too
or even Branyan, until his back tweaks up.
by Dingbat Charlie on Dec 22, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
I forgot all about Branyan
Everybody does, apparently. I’d give him Atkins money.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
but...
it should only take cesar money to sign him.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
I expect the Mariners will make an offer to resign him.
He’s from the NW and played pretty decently the last part of the season when healthy.
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
Not exactly an original idea by Roch
Not to discount Roch, but I’ve heard that a bunch of places. We were just talking about it at dinner last night as a matter of fact.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
you and roch?
do tell!
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
oh yes, Roch and I get together every now and then for dinner
to chat about Vlad and the weather and Jen Royle and such.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
they went to Cracker Barrel
Roch ate all the dumplings.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
roch's her bf!
it all makes so much sense now!
"This is a time when if we weren’t cynical we’d shoot ourselves."
i suspected as much...
pink collared shirts tend to clash w/ under armour compression mock turtlenecks.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
OT: I am really, really, really sick of the rain.
It has been raining here since Friday afternoon. Pretty much nonstop. Occasionally it will let up for an hour or so, but it makes up for it by mostly being a hard rain.
The yard is saturated. I feel like I’m in Ray Bradbury’s short story about the two guys who crash land on Venus.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I'd trade a little rain to get out of this frigid weather.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I like the cold
I like building a fire and drinking hot chocolate and walking around wrapped in a blanket…can’t do that stuff in the heat
"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"
I like it if I don't have to leave the house
But other than that, no. Plus it makes my skin so dry.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
it hasn't been that bad so far down here
of course, I was in New York State last weekend and thought “this isn’t so bad” so I’m not the right person to ask, I guess.
"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"
It's been colder than the average for this part of the country.
Probably nothing compared to Rochester, but I went my whole life with a much longer fall than the one we got this year. We got like two days were it was 50 degrees and it’s been freezing ever since.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
just invest in 7 pairs of long underwear and you'll be fine
"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"
so is it normally much more comfortable down here?
I mean, I used to live around these parts for a long time, but I think I’ve forgotten what winter is supposed to be like in the mid-atlantic? Or are we just talking about a handful of degrees? And when does the winter end?
"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"
December is usually not this cold.
Usually it’s like mid to upper 40s for most of the month and doesn’t get really cold until January and February. But it was much colder last winter too so maybe this is the new trend.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I thought it took FOREVER
to become cold. We had so many like 60 degree days in November.
cxcxcxcxzzzzzzzzz
then you'd hate LA
it’s really dry here all the time. Took some serious getting used to.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Yeah, my dad went to CalTech (in Pasadena)
He’s from NJ originally, so he hated the weather after a while. Straight blue sky and dry.
Where are my shoelaces?
Yuck
I’ve only been so Southern California once but I do remember that it was much drier than I’m used to. When I was in Las Vegas a few years ago my skin got so dry it cracked and bled. I can’t handle that. Of course that might have also had to do with the fact that I substituted my normal water intake with alcohol the entire trip.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
You adjust.
I spent a couple of summers working in Arizona and for the first month or so I had the cracked lips bit. But eventually, your body adjusts and it was never a problem for the last half of the summer.
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
If you hate rain, you'll hate Louisiana
We got 26 inches of rain last December.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
The high today here in Tampa is a sunny 71... of course I'm flying into Philly tonight.
Whose brilliant idea was it to go North in winter? I am hoping that this supposed snowstorm doesn’t come to fruition on Sunday, or I might be stuck in NJ. I suppose I could always hitch a ride back home with John Candy… with hilarious results.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
Hey!
It was in the 40s here last week.
THE FORTIES!
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Oh big WOOP.
I’m counting down the days until it’s in the teens and I have to be outside in the cold for five hours every Sunday.
Farmer’s Market…
Where are my shoelaces?
clearly, i failed to use the sarcasm font.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
which one?
"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"
Ain't nobody got nothing to say about a forty degree day.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
you and your obscure tv references that nobody gets
"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"
I knew you would get it.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Y'all are givin' me way too many forty degree days.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 22, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Sixty? shit, niggas is damn near barbecuing on that motherfucker.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Fifty? Brings a smile to your face.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
When I was at Pendleton
there were many mornings when I strolled into work and it was well below freezing. The belief that SoCal doesn’t have a winter is pretty far fetched.
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 22, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Then come to the Pacific Northwest.
Nothing but sunshine. Even at night.
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
ahahaha
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
45 and partly cloudy with showers in the morning
Oct 1 to March 31
Live it, love it.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
Every now and then it changes up on you.
I’ve been to the Oregon coast the first week of February with it 70 degrees and not a cloud in the sky, and in August during the “good” season when it rained all week and was in the 60’s.
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
I recall it hit the 90s for a stretch this summer
and everyone absolutely freaked. About as bad as they do when it snows in south Louisiana
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
It always hits the 90's during the summer in the NW.
I’m referring to west of the Cascades. But people still freak. It is as if they’ve never spent the summer here.
East of the Cascades it gets into the 100’s.
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
I was referring to PDX and SEA
where I have a couple friends who pummeled my facebook feed with their heat misery, meanwhile I had forgotten what the mid 70s felt like. This is why we start crying when it goes below 45. That, and our old drafty houses.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
I live both places.
Main home in PDX, but my job is in Seattle.
After being out here over 20 years, 65 – 75 is like the perfect temp range. Anything over 75 starts feeling like Phoenix in the summer. But the fact is that it gets into the 90’s every summer in both PDX and SEA, but just for a couple of weeks or so.
On the flip side, we can usually enjoy all of the good things about winter without much of the hassles, like shoveling driveways, scraping ice off windows, snow clogged traffic, etc. Out here you drive to winter (i.e. the mountains). And never pay attention to the weather in the city. It can be raining and misaerable in Portland, yet you can be skiing up on Mt Hood in sunshine.
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
I like working this time of year
’cause no one is in the office, and no one asks me to do anything. It frees me up to read the news… and I get to stumble upon nuggets of wisdom like this:
“At this time of year, the thieves are waiting for the moon to grow so there is light at night, the thief comes at that time to steal truffles.”
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
this town...
is coming like a ghost town.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
waaaaaaaaa
wa waaAaaa waaaaaaa
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
what the hell
where did all the comments go?
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
oh no did they disappear again?
I haven’t left the thread and they’re all here. That happened a few weeks ago and I told the tech people about it.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
yup, some of them disappeared
I haven’t closed my window so they are still here, but I opened a new one and can see that some are missing. I’m going to put in another ticket because that’s unacceptable.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
this town is REALLY coming like a ghost town now.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
waaaa-waaa-waaa-waaa-waaa!
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
ok I told the tech people about it. It's just weird.
I especially don’t want that to happen once the season starts and we’re in game threads and such.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Jen Royle's source is at it again
Source close to LaRoche situation: “Adam should have taken deal from the #Orioles. But… he wants good money and he saw what Pena got.”
http://twitter.com/JenRoyleMASN/status/17643047693066240
Did he see that Pena only got one year?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
lol
I’d be ok with giving him a Pena deal. Still probably rather have Lee, but whatever.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Did he also see that he sucks?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 22, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
any other fed workers on here affected by the pay freeze?
Was looking like the wife would be exempt for a while but just found out today she wouldn’t be. Sucks – she was about to get a promotion and now no promotions until at least May/June.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
My mom is.
She’s really upset. She’s re-considering her 2012 vote after that.
Where are my shoelaces?
Wah wah wah.
I’m sick of hearing all of these complaints about the federal pay freeze. Get with the program; many of their civilian counterparts haven’t had raises in years. The fed is behind the power curve.
PS my significant other is a federal employee and she pays half of the bills, so I am affected by this too. Don’t think I’m just some outsider bitching.
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 22, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Well, if you read my comment below you would see that my family is not in a very good situation.
And a raise would really help. My dad is unemployed and has been for a while. We’re trying to pay for my brother’s college and they’re not giving us very much scholarship. We’re in debt. Yes, we’re just one situation, but it’s not that simple.
Where are my shoelaces?
Yeah, it's not like we spend a lot of money on material things.
That’s not why we’re in debt.
Where are my shoelaces?
Not many families are in a good situation.
My old man had a multimillion dollar excavating business and 6 houses and now he struggles to pay his mortgage and support his wife and two children still at home while driving a delivery truck for a paper company. My point is that while it may suck that she isn’t getting a promotion, most Americans haven’t gotten a promotion in a long time and a good portion of them lost there jobs.
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 22, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Again
most Americans haven’t gotten a promotion in a long time
This just plain isn’t true. Sure lots of Americans have lost their jobs over the last few years, but prior to that and really since 2009 almost no companies have been freezing pay or promotions.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
That just isn't true.
What kind of companies are you consulting for? Just go downtown and ask people about their last promotion. I bet for many of them it has been years. How about the state of Maryland employees? They have not only not gotten promotions, but many of them have been forced to take pay cuts.
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 22, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
haha
Let’s see – should we believe salary surveys that measure thousands and thousands of companies or the people that you meet downtown? You’ve been misled, my friend.
To answer your question I consult all kinds of companies – public, private, employee owned, not-for-profit, government contractors, big small, global, domestic,etcs.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I'll defer to your knowledge
But KnB, yeah, in that boat. Wife’s had her pay cut the last 3 years with increasing amounts of furlough days. Can’t wait until she makes what her salary is listed at again.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
I mean it definitely happens
but I think on the whole it happens a lot less than people think. In general the private sectors has been MUCH more generous than the government in terms of salaries, raises, promotions, etc.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
She's public
State of MD
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Ummm
Not so much really. I’m a compensation consultant – I know exactly what private sector companies are doing and when they’re doing it. Pay freezes in the private sector are basically non-existent right now and were only even semi-common in late 2008 and early 2009. They shed jobs rather than freeze pay. The government has done both. The government also pays substantially lower salaries on average than the private sector.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
The government only pays lower salaries
in certain fields. The majority of federal employees are paper pushers and they get far more than there civilian counterparts. That whole idea that federal employees don’t make as much as their civilian counterparts is, for the most part, a myth.
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 22, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Again
I see tons and tons of private sector salary data and that’s just plain not true. There are VERY few areas where government employees are paid more than their private sector counterparts.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Every single contractor I know
makes much more money than any kind of government equivalent (of course technically there aren’t supposed to be gov’t equivalents which is why you hire contractors but we all know that’s not true). I know contractors whose jobs are much less…I don’t know, complex? than mine and who make more money than I do. I’ve thought about jumping ship a few times but ultimately prefer the stability.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Right
the private sector regularly raids government employees and are able to do so because they pay substantially more.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
especially once the government pays for them to get a security clearance.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Seriously
Chances of landing a private sector job requiring a clearance, if you don’t have already have a clearance < chances of the O’s winning the 2010 World Series.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
This.
I didn’t get a single job requiring an active clearance. Even had one tell me during an interview that they flat-out couldn’t afford to go thru new clearance processes because it’s so expensive.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 22, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
It takes forever too
6 months minimum.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
Took me about 18 months to get my clearence
and I’m pretty vanilla.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
My best friend and roommate has been trying to get it for two years
He was completely honest on the application about all the… fun we had in college and he was denied. Now his small company has him taking piss tests and going to alcohol seminars to buff up his next application period even though he hasn’t touched any drugs since college. And everyone at the company knows what happened and what he’s doing to try to get the clearance. It’s embarrassing.
"I guess if there wasn't any luck involved I'd win everytime." -Phil Hellmuth
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Dec 22, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
That really sucks
Hope he learned his lesson about honesty.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
You are talking about government contractors though.
Most of the private sector isn’t contracted by the government.
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 22, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
fair enough
I’m not informed enough to go any further in this conversation.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
No you're correct
government contractors are an example in the extreme, but they are not the exception. Private sector employees make more across the board on average than government employees.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
You mean
more across the board when in comparable fields / job descriptions, right?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Eh...
I work for a contractor and my government counterparts make almost twice what I do. I can also guarantee that I do more work than they do and have a more complex job. (I won’t be getting a raise either, although it’s possible I could be promoted within the next year or so)
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 22, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Well, it could be your company sucks
or is evil. Those are options, too.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Quite possibly a bit of both.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 22, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Stability is part of the equation.
My overall compensation dropped by about $15,000 a year, even after I factored in all the benefits I gained, when I switched from being a contractor to a FTE. But the stability quotient went up considerably.
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
This is demonstrably false...
…but it makes for a nice talking point, if you’re in the propaganda business.
Right
The majority of federal employees are paper pushers and they get far more than there civilian counterparts.
That’s basically a GOP talking point that is just laughable.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I really hate the communist state that we've become
I mean pushing the tax rate from 36% to 39%?
[and now I will return to not engaging in political talk here]
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
I'm backing out of this before it gets uncivil
but anyone who thinks a secretary who is a gs-14 and making six figures (and there are plenty of them) is making less than there civilian counterparts is fucking crazy.
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 22, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I think the idea of a secretary making 6 figures is indeed crazy
but I can name 5 private sector clients right now who have multiple secretaries making that much.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
$382436
Actually, now it’s more like $322028
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
Isn't it incredibly difficult for the government to fire anyone?
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
This
there are certainly non-salary advantages to being a government employee, but I so tire of this idea that government employees are fat cats getting rich off of our tax dollars while the private sector suffers.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I work for a private company who is a federal contractor
I’ve been through two layoffs notifications that were pulled at the last minute (one was this week). All of our govt counterparts were promised job security, however, most of them had to move to wherever their new assignment was in order to keep their job.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
My experience having to interact with government employees ..
.. has shown me that they general fit the same template as private business. You have a portion of people who are extremely talented and good at what they do. You have the big middle group that work hard and are competent and you have the bottom portion who are lazy, incompetent, stupid or retired in place.
Government may have a slightly greater proportion of the latter group, but I chalk that up to the aforementioned difficulty in terminating someone from a government position.
Can’t speak on the issue of pay and compensation, as I never ask anyone who much they make. None of my business.
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
That's been about what I've seen
and historically I guess the government has been worse than the private sector about promoting people in that last group, but a lot of the agencies have gotten a lot better about pay and promotion for performance rather than tenure (which is really a silly idea when nobody gets fired).
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
My concern with government isn't that it is overpaid.
I just don’t like having every aspect of my life requiring some sort of oversight or permission.
And a corallary to that is higher cost. Not because you pay more for a gov employee, but that that you are adding more employees to the process. That is one of the biggest issues I have with the Health care bill. It creates hundreds of boards, committees and commissions, all requiring to be staffed and all which will require employers to fill out more forms and provide more information so that these government entities can make “informed” decisions. That’s going to improve health care? They would be better off taking all that money and just directly subsidizing anyone under a certain income level. If those folks decide to spend the money on something else, then they can croak outside the hospital when something happens to them.
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
Eh over-regulation or bloated regulatory bodies just isn't something I'm worried about.
I worry much more about the mine operators who don’t give a shit about safety and so they won’t pay any attention to it were it not for a government regulator looking over their shoulder or the bankers who will happily play roulette with their client’s money if the regulators aren’t watching then I care about a government agency getting bigger. That idea just doesn’t worry me – I don’t see any big massive downside.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
All my male relatives on my dad's side were coal miners.
Beating on the coal companies is easy. Coal mining is a dangerous job, but one that pays extremely well.
As for bankers, there already was a ton of regulation. Lot of good it did. And even if regulation is working well, people will always be able to stay a step or two ahead of regulation. Perhaps a better solution is not to keep trying to regulate, but to up the penalty for getting caught. Strip all their assets and put them in a cell with Bubba the 300 lb sex offender who loves boning new guys up the ass. Knowing that was happening to Jeff Skillings on a regular basis would almost be worth the $125,000 I lost from my 401K due to Enron.
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
I just used it as an easy example.
There are myriad industries that have shown time after time that if somebody’s not watching greed wins out.
As far as the ton of regulation for the bankers, you’re certainly right there was…until the GOP dismantled the Glass-Steagal Act in 1999.
You think all the ponzi schemes are disappearing after everybody’s seen what happened to Madoff? Have murders stopped in states that have the death penalty?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Yes, you have to do something really bad.
Because judges decided that employees need a “chance to improve” before they can be fired. Good and bad at the same time.
Where are my shoelaces?
We had our pay frozen for this year, had layoffs and were told to expect ...
… no raises and probably no bonus next year. A dip in the economy tends to hit a utility company later than a lot of businesses, but the meters not turning eventually shows up in our revenues. Thankfully a somewhat hot summer and a cold winter have improved things. May not get a raise again this year, but our annual bonus looks like it may happen.
Now for some more storm duty. It’s the only time I get OT pay. Of course spending 40+ hours straight on storm duty as a damage assessor wears you down pretty quickly.
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
apparently in my field,
my company is doing better than average, yet no raises in three years and no bonuses either. I this probably has to do with my boss being an asshole.
The problem with federal wages
is really in the general schedule, with the various fixed levels based on degree and experience rather than field. Some federal employees are underpaid compared to the private sector. I graduated in ‘09 with a Chem. Eng. degree and had to wait six months to find a job; in a strong economy, I probably would be in the private sector making $20k more per year and have had a job waiting for me upon graduation. (I’m not really complaining, since many others are far worse off; just pointing out a fact.)
At the same time, there are plenty of overpaid feds in HR and other areas. So the federal unions are able to legimately talk about underpaid engineers and scientists, and then raise pay for everybody rather than just those with the rare and valuable skills.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
There are overpaid people everywhere...
…the most egregiously overpaid ones sit in corporate boardrooms and investment banks.
or on sports-related message boards during the offseason...
"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"
by Andrew_G on Dec 22, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You have to overpay to get people to be Orioles fans.
They won’t come to Baltimore otherwise.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 22, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
that's rec-city right there
"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"
Sure,
but it does make a difference when salaries are being paid by taxes rather than by sales of goods or services, right?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
What difference does it make, exactly?
when government workers both pay taxes and pay for goods and services, right? And when massive amounts of tax money goes towards propping up the private sector?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I don't want to get into one of those things again,
but (1) competition and flexibility give the private sector a good chance at everything balancing out in the long run, while the public sector can’t really work the same way as it’s structured now; (2) tax money propping up the private sector is bad, bad stuff.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I don't follow.
I’m not sure if those are answers to what difference does it make or responses to my other two questions, but I don’t get it at an overall level either. That somehow the competition and flexibility of the private sector mean that government workers should be paid less for the same work?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Okay, maybe this will help:
(1) The only reason I see for government workers to get less base pay is because of job security and benefits. Those are tangible, benefits especially. You don’t want to drive people away from working for the Fed, but under the current pay structure, you encourage people who work in non-productive areas like HR and EEO to move to the Fed and those in productive areas like science, engineering, and people skills (which could translate to sales) to leave it.
(2) The private sector pays people as much as it thinks they are worth. Obviously, there are lots of exceptions, but the private sector doesn’t pay anyone more than it can afford to (except, see #3). If a handful of companies overpay a few secretaries, it probably doesn’t matter to anyone else. If a lot of companies overpay several, then secretarial pay is unstable, and will have to adjust to a more stable point — either those companies cut their secretarial pay because they can’t afford it anymore (their competitors can charge less for services and get more business) or other companies also increase their secretarial pay (these other companies can’t keep their best secretaries employed).
(3) That said, when the private sector gets government subsidies, it messes up the whole system. I hate it, and I didn’t like it before the big bailouts, either. I think those are just what got a lot of moderates to notice the problem.
Feel free to rip me apart, but let’s keep it cool, okay? I’m not some GOP talking point machine, I don’t watch FOX, etc. — but that seems to be the assumption whenever I say anything.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
but under the current pay structure, you encourage people who work in non-productive areas like HR and EEO
Are you saying these people are encouraged to work for the fed because of the salary? Because they make a lot more in the private sector, so that’s really not the case. If, instead, you’re saying that people who work in those areas are somehow more inherently attracted to the stability over pay compromise that the government offers and so attracted because of that I’m not sure I have any knowledge of that. I just have knowledge of whether people that work in support functions tend to be more attracted to stability over pay than operations folks.
As far as your number 2 I think you are assuming that the overpaid secretaries are the exception in the private sector and the rule in the public sector when neither is at all true.
Very few decisions about pay revolve around what a company can afford to pay – the private sector pays what is required to attract the kind of people they want to attract, which is based on what their competition if paying for that talent. I’ve never once heard a private sector director of compensation or head of HR or CFO or CEO say we can’t hire that person because we can’t afford it or we can’t target our pay at that percentile because we can’t afford it. That’s a more common discussion for non-profit organization although increasingly less common. This competitive approach to pay is one of the primary drivers for private sector pay being higher than public sector compensation.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
HR types make more in the private sector?
Do you have any figures for that? I really find that surprising.
I’ll respond to more (maybe later, I’m about to leave work), but everything seems to hinge on whether or not low-skill-but-credentialed people make more in the private or public sector.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Of course I have figures for it!
That’s all I do all day is compare an organization’s salaries to a bunch of other organization’s salaries.
As far as the low-skill-but-credentialed argument that’s a much harder thing to measure. All I know is in the compensation business it’s very common knowledge that all things being equal (location, function, technical expertise, etc) the private sectors pays a good bit more than the government.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I guess you can't share anything, since it's for work.
But looking at the GS, it seems like a person with a generic BA doing paper-pusher work is often going to be able to get a GS-12 (~$75k) position after 3 years. Which seems very unlikely in the private sector. Am I missing something?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
What's paper pusher work?
If you tell me some specific jobs I can quote some semi-specific numbers, but depending on the job and the sector 75k 3 years out of school would not be unreasonable in areas like finance, consulting, or sales/marketing,
The other thing you have to remember is that while those may be the general guidelines the government (like everybody else) has gotten a lot more selective in hiring, so lots of things that used to require a BA now in principle require a masters.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
My wife and I often wonder...
what she’d be doing were she not in the government. She graduated with a degree in a “Studies” area at UMCP and found an intership pretty quickly as she had an education background.
She does a damn good job, but we just can’t figure out what she’d be doing.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 22, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Entry-level HR/EEO, followed by after 3 years, then?
I mean, maybe I’m just over-inferring from the GS that these people would actually get promoted relatively quickly, but…
I’ll admit that I tend to underestimate how much sales/marketing types can end up making, but my hunch would be that for every well-off person of those types in the private sector, there are two or three making little enough to bring the average down — but in the public sector, their wages are standardized.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
This is a very generic example
and includes tons of things that don’t make it a great comparison, but in one of the databases I have access to I just took an lower level HR Generalist and ran a report for government organizations and then one for all manufacturing organizations. The average base salary for government came out at about 42k and the average salary for manufacturing came out to 60k. To be fair there’s probably a fair amount of state and local government data in there and I’m guessing that you’re mostly talking about federal government salaries, but that’s certainly not the only explanation for the gap.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Fair enough.
It’s rather frustrating, how difficult it is to find concrete information about this stuff… as evidenced by the fact that there are people whose job it is to do so! Makes it a lot harder to formulate an informed opinion.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Oh come on...
(1) competition and flexibility give the private sector a good chance at everything balancing out in the long run,
Give me a fucking break. Go tell that to Tucker or John Delorean or anybody who’s tried to get into the auto business in this country for the last 60 years. Go tell that to Jack Welch from GE who said (I’m paraphrasing) “If you’re not in the top 3 companies in any business. There’s no reason to be in that business.” Go tell that to the Health Insurance companies who hold virtual monopolies in however many states. Or to people who pay BGE bills every month. That’s the “private sector” AKA an oligarchy.
(2) tax money propping up the private sector is bad, bad stuff.
Scores of major industries in the private sector are propped up by tax money in one form or another. They don’t pay those lobbyists for nothing. Again…an oligarchy.
I don't really disagree with you here.
I hate the government-big business alliance, too. Trying to elucidate what I meant, but it’s taking a while.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
And it's been around since the 1830s
The Eric Canal didn’t build itself, and if you think the original Bank of the UniteStates had the peoples’ interest at heart, read some more.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
I love the Eric Canal
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Isn't that the one that connects Glen Burnie with Fredrick?
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
You could EDIT for me instead of just making fun, you know.
Dammit, you’re in charge, help!
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
I can't edit comments and you know it :)
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
This
Scores of major industries in the private sector are propped up by tax money in one form or another. They don’t pay those lobbyists for nothing. Again…an oligarchy.
This is the part that drives me crazy. Everybody is acting like the bank or auto bailouts are the government’s first intrusion into the private sector when the fed has propped up entire industries (auto, insurance, agriculture) for decades.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
The list...
…goes on and on.
I remember once when I was in high school, I was eating at pizza place that had opened up in my area and chatting with the owner who was a reasonably recent South Asian immigrant. He told me something I will never forget:
“If you are friends with a politician, you can make so much money in this country.”
I’m sure it’s the same the world over – just not as much money most places.
Centuries, actually.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Comcast is always my favorite poster child of why capitalism is, at its core, evil
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Just give Sens Kyl and McConnell
a few minutes to dry their eyes about START and DADT, and they’ll probably get in the way of that too.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 22, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Can you believe Kyl?
He whines & bitches about having to work up until 12/24 & may be next week.
Hey, I wonder if anyone in the less-govt-let-private-firms-run-hog-wild party would favour mandatory vacations for EVERYONE in the last week of Dec. Didn’t think so.
If I may borrow, this country can’t afford to make idle people merry. And for 2 years Senate Rs have been the walkling personification of idle.
So Kyl, Graham, McConnell & all the other whiners, get back to work and HARDEN THE FUCK UP!!!
"Fairy tales start 'once upon a time...'. Fishing stories start 'now this ain't no bullshit...'."
- Cap'n Phil Harris
Just because they're calling it Net Neutrality, doesn't mean it is
the regulations have been watered down so far that they actually benefit Comcast.
Careful there.
You can rip anyone you want, but when you start to rip on your utility company, you are heading off into left field.
I don’t work for BG&E and never did. But It is a regulated utility and like the majority of utilities, is probably earning at a rate of return below what is currently allowed by whatever commission it reports to.
Meanwhile they have to deal with more expensive power because of the dumbasses who really think you can get something for nothing and thus call for a switch to “renewable” energy or who raise such a stink (and lawsuits) to prevent a transmission line from getting built or simply go nuts when you want to trim or remove trees so they don’t take out your lines.
It’s too bad the utility company can’t just secure power, secure gas, when customers start to bitch. Then we would see how fast people start appreciating the folks who keep the lights on and the fires burning.
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
Fortunately for me...
…they are not my utility anymore. However BGE was rated as having the highest rates in the United States when I was living back in Baltimore for a year and half – and this was the result of a disastrous deregulation the State of Maryland was part and parcel to. Ask anyone who pays a BGE bill how bad they’re getting fucked over. I pay ConEd, New York City rates and had been for a decade when I moved back to Baltimore and my jaw nearly hit the floor when I say my utility bill from BGE. They have a CEO at Constellation who had no experience whatsoever in the energy business but apparently has the Midas touch when it comes to “government relations”. So once again, we’re talking about an oligarchy.
What’s this bit?
It’s too bad the utility company can’t just secure power, secure gas, when customers start to bitch. Then we would see how fast people start appreciating the folks who keep the lights on and the fires burning.
Does “secure power” meaning shutting peoples’ power off? And are you suggesting your regulated monopoly be allowed to do so because some of your customers might express different opinions than what you approve of? If so, maybe you should look into joining the Chinese Communist Party or GazProm in Russia. I hear that’s standard practice over there.
That last part comes from my time on a sub.
The machinest mates always liked to threaten us torpedomen with securing air and water to our systems.
Can’t shoot a torpedo without them. Well, you can shoot a Mk 37 without air. It’s electric and designed to swim out of the tube. A lot quieter that way. But you still need to flood the tube. Guess the MM’s felt under appreciated.
Utility companies usually try everything they can to keep from turning off the power. It can be frustrating though when you have to deal with people who complain about stuff, yet are also the ones that help put themselves in whatever situation their are complaining about.
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
Then you are aware of the fact that there are only two kinds of engineers.
Chem E’s and those who wish they could be Chem E’s.
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
Hee hee.
Yep.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Just ChemE's consoling themselves
about how much our coursework sucks.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I'd agree that your coursework sucks
but as MechE, the class called “Vibrations” is the opposite of as fun as it sounds.
But if you have to take Physical Chemistry, I’ll call it a wash.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
Actually my undergrad degree from UofM is in History.
But I have a MS in Environmental Science and Engineering. I’ll stack Atmospheric Physics up against almost any course.
btw – my dad is the Chem E. I have a younger brother who switched from Nuclear to Mech.
Both hate it when I tell them that a BA in History from Maryland qualifies you to be an engineer, as I was the Component Reliability Engineer at a nuclear plant before I went back to school.
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
History BA = engineer?
How does that work?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I had about 7 years of work experience at various nuclear plants ...
… and had become one of the experts with regard to NPRDS (Nuclear Plant Reliability Data System). Ended up on the national standards group. I was the only person at the plant filling an engineering position who didn’t have an engineering degree. (Although I did start out as a Chem E at Maryland and also completed about half of the course work in Fire Protection Engineering. 4 years on a submarine probably helped as well. You need to be technically proficient in a number of areas and it tends to be very systems oriented.)
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
I don't think you can even get a nuclear engineering degree anymore
My Thermo prof had one. Systems engineering is the future, or so they tell me.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
I'm pretty sure Oregon St still offers one.
I’d have to check with my brother to see if Georgia Tech still does.
I believe most people don’t know that Maryland has a reactor on campus, though I think they shut it down years ago. Don’t know if they ever dismantled it.
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
Except I'm not as good looking.
Actually, I was in Maintenance Engineering, not Operations.
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
Maintenance Engineering was responsible for providing engineering support to the Maintenance department.
Maintenance department was responsible for all equipment and components in the plant.
My specific task was to keep track of component failures, conduct failure investigations and report to a national data base the results. I also would provide support to various departments through data searches of siad data base, as well as identify other utilities who made use of the same components. For example, by finding a Calif utility that used the same model Steam Generator pressure relief valve as our plant and had a spare in stock they would send us, I helped shave 3 – 6 weeks on an outage extension. When you are buying replacement power on the spot market at $1,000,000 a day, the savings add up quickly.
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
The general thought of ChemEs
is that we often take harder versions of courses that MechEs take (e.g., thermo, fluid mechanics, heat transfer) and additional nasty courses that you guys don’t have to. (Do you need to do mass transfer? Even if not, Kinetics, PChem, etc.) One of my ChemE classmates had a same-year MechE roommate, so she was able to compare directly, and the generalization held true.
That said, all engineering coursework is pretty nasty.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
My school didn't have a formal ChemE program
but the MechE program was heavily aligned to refinery work, so it was 2 Thermos, 2 Fluids, and Heat Transfer, along with the more mechanical courses like Mech Design, Machine Design, Strengths, etc.
That said, all engineering coursework is pretty nasty
Agreed. But it still beats getting a Masters!
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
I have a ChemE master's.
Now THAT sucked. I hardly understood any of it — totally skin-of-my-teeth the entire time.
But yeah, refinery-oriented MechE would probably be tougher. Interesting that you had two courses in some of those things, though.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Thought a lot about getting a masters
If I was younger it would have had more benefit, but as I was getting a degree after working for years, the benefit of higher starting salary didn’t outweigh getting back into the job market sooner with less debt.
Plus, I was really really sick of school at the end. Losing a year in the middle didn’t help.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
Makes sense.
I think it was worth it — let me start off a lot better than most new Feds.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I remember taking the Fluid Mechanics final exam
and going straight to my advisors office and transferring to Chemistry. Fuck that noise.
I still wonder if I should've just done that.
At that point, though, I was 3/5 done with the ChemE degree, and figured I might as well stick it out.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
that's pretty much where I'm at
I’ve got 3 semesters left at UD for ChemE. I’m not the top of my class but I feel like I’m doing well enough, and it’s too late to turn back.
I got back last week and met up with a few friends, they both go to Frostburg, both Parks and Recreation majors. I told them I studied ~20 hours for my Organic Chem final, they both said they hadn’t studied that much the whole semester combined, fml
Ha, yep.
Just don’t be too mean to them once you’re making twice as much as they are after graduation.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
You should tell your mom that whatever Republican who might win instead is going to just make it worse.
Well, hopefully she’s aware of that already, but you know.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 22, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
ie we're fucked no matter what, because everyone laughs at the third party candidates
it’s basically kang and kodos
in that case, don't blame me
I voted for Kodos!
"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"
Well, you have the choice of the party that screws you with its incompetence or the party that screws you as its ideology.
For me, that’s an easy choice. At least the incompetence might some day be ironed out.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 22, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
It's not incompetence really...
…it’s just that there’s no real personal motivation to idealism, which is the ultimate policy platform of the Democratic party. Politicians are nearly all ambitious careerists and many are very corrupt in both parties. So it’s always going to be easy to pick off 4 or 5 Democratic Senators and gum up the works. Plus with the entire rules apparatus in the Senate, it’s basically set up to not get anything done – you have not only the filibuster, but individual holds that can be put on bills and myriad other parliamentary distractions, all designed to prevent the government from being too effective. If we had an up or down vote in the Senate, America would have an economy similar to Canada or Germany right now.
I'm not disagreeing with any of that.
But I do think it was incompetence among Democratic leadership and membership that kept the tax cut issue from being pushed before the election. I mean, did they honestly believe they were going to have a better chance of getting a good deal in the lame duck session? You never know if that might have saved some seats, if they were hammering on this issue. The rare case where good politics and good policy were in alignment and they punted it. Pretty ridiculous.
That said, I have been surprised that they’ve still managed to pull off getting some stuff done – DADT repeal is, if I might quote the VP, “a big fuckin’ deal”, and getting START through before a new wave of Republican crazies shows up is also a positive move.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 22, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
this comgress...
has been jampacked w/ major legislation.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Partisan Dem and shameless lefty that I am...
…I certainly wish they could have done more with health care reform than they did. And it sucks that the House majority’s already been lost, the Senate majority shrunk and preliminarily looks bleak for 2012 (lots of seats to defend). But I don’t see how someone who’s on the left can be mad with the current Congress for ultimately getting the ball rolling back to the left again. Have so many people forgotten 2002-2006 already? Those were some dark years.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 22, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
I've also
enjoyed them getting the GOP to vote against so many bills that everybody in the world thinks are good (9/11 first responders health and the anti-child marriage act). Now if they’re just smart enough to campaign on those no votes next time around…
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Sure...
…they really did do a lot…by Congressional standards. The problem though is the economy both here and around the world is shifting so quickly right now – and this system is just not set up to handle it.
Plus nobody’s got the cojones to realistically address the debt issue, which is getting out of control. Somebody is going to have to man up at some point though and it’s going to take a host of very difficult political positions to fix the problem.
Yeah... I wonder when the debt will really reach the danger point.
I’m down with deficit spending in a recession to bridge the gap, your basic Keynesian stuff. Of course, we’ve been running deficits even when not in a recession for like 20 years. Those chickens will come home to roost eventually. And when they do, they’ll be shitting everywhere.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 22, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
The real George W. Bush legacy...
…will be cutting taxes to wage two wars. That’s an unprecedented feat for just about any modern government, I believe.
Not just cutting them
but cutting them from already existing historical lows.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I'm of the opinion that if you vote third party even if you're usually a supporter of the two major parties
Then you’re essentially voting for the worse major party because you’re rebelling against your usual party
Where are my shoelaces?
Wise for your years!
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 22, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
I don't believe that shit for a second
While it’s true that your vote is essentially wasted (although Ross Perot might like you more), the thought that you’re “rebelling against your usual party” is ridiculous.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 22, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Voting is stupid
You shouldn’t vote.
This ends my insight into the political matters of the day.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
My understanding is that
nobody gets a cost-of-living increase, and I’m guessing nobody’s getting step increases, but if you were scheduled to get a grade increase in the normal new-hire progression, you still will. What kind of promotion was she supposed to be in for?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Yeah that's what I thought too
Also he cut the Social Security tax from 6.2% to 4.2% so this year it’ll almost be like we get the cost-of-living anyway.
As far as I’m aware WGIs and promotions are still on the table, although they might be stricter with promotions than they are in other times.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
No promotions this cycle.
At least at GAO.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
What is the "cycle?"
We only have promotions once a year anyway, and they’re in June. And like I said they’ll probably be more stringent but as far as I’m aware we’ll still have them (I’m DoD).
We didn’t get our COLA last year , and I got promoted last year, so I haven’t been paying that much attention since I wouldn’t have gotten promoted again already anyway.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
The cycle
is when you hit a single, double, triple and home run – all in the same game. God, I thought you would know that by now.
by Jonny Pops on Dec 22, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
sports are hard for girls!
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Have you...
…checked out any of the pink Orioles hats available online? They should have some good deals coming up after the holidays. : P
You know I looked
but none had enough sparkles for me.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
She's been too busy talking about shoes.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 22, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Well, the thing is, my mom thought she was going to get a grade increase this year because she's been a grade 14 for years now.
And she was expecting a grade increase…not anymore. And my dad doesn’t have a job, so it would have been nice.
Where are my shoelaces?
Don't take this the wrong way, because I imagine it is very frustrating,
but if you’re bringing in six figures (and solidly so, if she’s been a GS-14 for a while) with only one parent working, you’re doing a lot better than most people right now.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Well, we're trying to pay for college and we're in a lot of debt.
So, we’re not doing that well. We also might lose our house if my dad doesn’t get a job soon.
Where are my shoelaces?
Fair enough.
I probably shouldn’t even have said that much. Sorry if it was out of line.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
It's ok, I understand why you might feel that way.
We’re just not in the situation you described.
Where are my shoelaces?
Well to be fair
“most people” aren’t in the DC area. It’s all relative.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
the pay freeze isn't really going to help all that much
The amount it will save is negligible compared to the amount the government needs to get its act together, but given the conditions of private industry I’m happy to get my paycheck every two weeks.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Right that's the annoying thing.
And also it’s a little offensive given the gigantic tax cuts for the billionaires they just passed. Yeah we’re real concerned about the deficit, so much so that we’re going to freeze pay for all federal employees, but not enough that we’ll go back to normal tax rates for the super rich. Oh and we don’t want to touch anybody’s trust fund that they’ve accumulated while paying historically low tax rates while we’re righting two wars.
Sorry for the rant. lol
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Yeah, it's definitely for show. It's very "look what we did!"
But nothing I can do about it, so whatev.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Yeah
I’m pissed! I was planning on looking for a different job, potentially at a lower salary, once she got promoted.
Although like others have said, I’m glad to have a job especially considering lots of my former colleagues didn’t survive the merger I just went through.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Honestly
Given how inept his party has been at message, he might have been doing Federal workers a favor. The whole “Government workers make so much more than their private sector counterparts” bullshit was really starting to resonate in the right wing squawk machine. It’s a good line – particularly to target at the unemployed who are, well, frankly jealous of anybody with a job right now and particularly the government workers they used to look down their noses at 5 years ago. Plus it accomplishes important GOP priorities if it catches on and becomes part of accepted wisdom – like the “liberal media” (Haaa!) and “malpractice lawsuits are the cause of all our healthcare woes”. So with Obama heading this off at the pass, he might have diffused a ticking PR time bomb for the federal work force.
No COLA, no merit, no pay-for-performance, no promotions.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
If you don't mind me asking (and I certainly understand if you do)
Who does she work for?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Hey do you think I shouldn't have said where she works?
lol I didn’t even think about it, but now I am.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I'm sure it's fine.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
My wife is getting...
here pre-approved grade increase and the step, but no market bump. That’s at the National Archives.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 22, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry to hear that...
my wife took a promotion to a 12/13 last year and it will proceed as planned, just no market increase. She still got a bonus though.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 22, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
She probably got in just in time, right?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Well her...
promotion is linked, so once they approved it last December it just required a signature from her supervisor this year.
I’ll be honest – we’re fortunate that she took an internship in the management office of her org. Everyone is a 13+ or on the management scale, and she works her ass off.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 22, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Good stuff
Sounds like a good gig and well earned.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
We have a running joke...
about her spending all of her time picking out stuff for the nursery or her only getting a job because of her demographics, but she really defies the lazy fed stereotype.
She also holds a position that would be extremely hard to find in the private sector, it’s such a hodge-podge of duties.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 22, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
I'll nitpick
why no love for Thome? Big Daddy Vladdy’s “huge bounce-back season” saw him put up a wOBA (which is simply an offensive one-stop stat which assigns different weights to single, double, homer, etc. and divides by Plate Appearances) of .360 in a big hitter’s park, while Thome’s never had a full season that bad in his entire career.
"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"
Also
I would kill for the opportunity to use Jim Thome Voice throughout the season.
"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"
The benefits of Jim Thome go far beyond the playing field.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
It's got more to do with the fact that
Vlad’s my favorite player ever, so for him to come here would be a dream come true for me. and TBH, they seem like pretty similar players in terms of cost and what you get every season. we’re not trying to compete yet, I won’t freak out if Thome ends up being better than Vlad this season.
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 22, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
WAITAGOSHDANGSECOND
I thought we were all like “We need the best possible players period” around here, because every extra win counts, and could be the difference between a) 81 wins and 82 wins, and b) Prince Fielder seriously considering Bmore or not.
"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"
Thome, Vlad, Lee
They’re really all just about the same. Just get one of them or LaRoche, and while I make that sound like a choice it’’’ really more likely come down to whichever of the four doesn’t turn us down.
"I guess if there wasn't any luck involved I'd win everytime." -Phil Hellmuth
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Dec 22, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Just got an email from Netflix
That I’ll be getting disc 1 of season 1 of Breaking Bad in the mail tomorrow. Excited!
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
awesome
There are four tv shows that I feel compelled to keep physical copies of, and Breaking Bad is totally near the top of that list. So good.
"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"
I've been wanting to watch it for a long time
But I kept getting distracted by other things.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
what are the others?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
pretty standard stuff I'd imagine
The Wire, Mad Men, and Deadwood. There’s a ton of shows that I really, really like, but tv shows take up so much shelf space that I can only take the ones that I re-watch regularly (and aren’t on Instant Queue like most comedies are).
"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"
wire
gf bought me the complete series for my birthday and i’ve started watching from the beginninh again. so damn good.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
No shit:
I just downloaded the album put together (five years of the wire) and have the debate every morning about which version of WDitH is my fave.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 22, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Add Sons of Anarchy to that excellent list
That’s the only current primetime drama I’m hooked on now that Lost is over, you should check it out.
"I guess if there wasn't any luck involved I'd win everytime." -Phil Hellmuth
by Astronaut Mike Dexter on Dec 22, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
I heard so many good things
and I love Ron Perlman…I’ll have to check it out.
"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"
Deadwood is also on my list
I have so many shows on my list, though, it’s tough getting through them.
I hear you on shelf space, though. I already have way too many DVDs, which is why I Netflix it for all but the best. I do have The Wire and Mad Men on DVD. I’m going to eventually get Apple TV or Google TV (whenever it comes out) in hopes that I can own more things digitally so that I can declutter my life of DVDs the same way I did CDs.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I love having the physical thing on my shelf
if nothing else it’s decoration in an otherwise bare apartment, so I don’t think I’ll totally get rid of my discs until digital copies force the paradigm shift like mp3s did. It’s the same reason why I don’t own a Kindle or Nook or whatever. I just like having these physical things. But the 7-disc per season deal is just too, too much.
However, I do one day plan to have a secret room behind a bookcase, maybe then I can keep my dvds in there and go wild with it….like a fruit cellar, but far nerdier.
"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"
Not me
I hate stuff. I didn’t used to, but I went through this declutter/minimalism conversion a few years ago and now I’m so anti. I have all of my DVDs on these shelves in my closet because I can’t stand looking at them.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I'm totally on an anti-stuff trip right now
clutter is my enemy.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
ugh, it's so depressing to own a space that is basically empty
I put up a tree a few weeks ago and it just did not look or feel right because it was just in a corner by itself. It needed some objects near it. It felt like putting up a tree in an office lobby.
"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"
My space isn't empty at all
It’s decorated. There’s a difference in decorated and 500 DVDs lining the wall.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Well
part of my battle against stuff is that we seem to have a lot of it and not a lot of space.
When we moved in here both of our parents shipped all this crap to use to get out of their houses.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
The last place I lived
I shared with a roommate, and other than the bedroom closets which were barely big enough for my clothes, we had one other closet for the both of us, and it was small. We had books CDs and DVDs and anything else you could think of lining every wall surface so I was forced to streamline my possessions. Then about a year and a half ago I moved into a place by myself that has an extra bedroom with two big closets, a huge bedroom closet, and a huge first floor under the stairs closet. I didn’t know what to do with all of my extra space. Of course, now it’s all full. How does that happen?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Stacey what'd you end up getting for a boardgame?
"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"
I went with Citadels
Since you said it was similar to Dominion but simpler. I like Dominion but it’s a different kind of game than he normally plays so I figured if he liked that maybe we could try Dominion later.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Cool!
I hope youse guys enjoy it.
"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"
I'm sure we'll play it on Christmas Eve or Christmas day
I’m looking forward to it.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
oh that reminds me
the other night my friends and I got drunk and played Carcasonne to the youtube clip of “the Inception horn playing for 55 minutes”. Boardgames are way more epic played drunk and to a never ending crescendoing horn.
"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"
everything is more epic when drunk
And I direct anyone who doubts that to the gamethread where Corey hit the game tying home run.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
highlight of the season?
highlight of the season.
good luck in Canada/Las Vegas, Scorey.
"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"
I am stealing this idea
although just the inception horn part, we’ve played enough carcasonne to last a lifetime
gettin the led out...
how great of an opening track is immigrant song? pretty great, i think.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
its really great
but come on: Good Times, Bad Times. THAT is how you kick-start a motherfucking career.
"I looked at the clock... because I was saying to myself... It's five to seven, where could he be going with that sawed off shotgun?"
by Andrew_G on Dec 22, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nick Adenhart's killer gets 51 to life.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Av5qPHweJvgLXx3pgSBD1w0RvLYF?slug=ap-angelspitcherkilled
Where are my shoelaces?
and Stallworth's all "lol u mad huh?"
Kidding kidding, can’t believe it took them this long to come up with the sentence.
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 22, 2010 7:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
deserved, too
Although if Nick Adenhart wasn’t in that car, I do wonder what punishment he would have received.
If you look at those UZR ratings or whatever
Boise State sucks
Case number 1 of why they didn’t deserve a top bowl game.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
yeah, i mean...
i think there a decent time, but they’d get slaughtered by almost anyone in the sec. lots of teams would, but boise state just doesn’t play a competitive schedule. i mean, in fairness, it’s a joke that the big east gets an automatic bcs bid, too.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 22, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
That's what everyone said about Utah
and then they went and crushed Alabama in what was practically a home game for Bama.
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 22, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
do you think this BSU team could beat Bama this year?
I’d pay to see that just so people would stop talking about them…
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 22, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
I think they could.
Not like they did before, but they could definitely win. I’d say 50/50.
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 22, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
I really doubt it
Dareus would wreck havoc on Boise’s interior line and Julio Jones would tear them up. Ingram might have a rough game, but I doubt any of the corners could handle Jones.
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 22, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
you just made yourself that much cooler in my mind
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 22, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Aw shucks, kid
You’re makin’ me blush.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 22, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
anyone who hates Boise is a winner in my book
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 22, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
They are getting ready to win me a hundred bucks.
Can’t hate on em too much.
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 22, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
oh I bet on them to beat Utah
but really that’s not saying shit, Utah sucks too
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 22, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Gambling is bad!
Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 22, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yea....I bet on the spread anyways
Utah sucks worse. Glad both teams proved that they can’t play great football so they can shut the hell up about getting screwed in the rankings and such.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 23, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
Thursday Bird Dropping
Great article interview with Dan Szymborski about the Orioles.
Spewing negativity.
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