Saturday Open Thread
by duck on Dec 4, 2010 8:00 AM EST
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Look at you. You used to be so cocky. You were going to go out and conquer the world. You once called me "a warped, frustrated, old man!" What are you but a warped, frustrated young man? A miserable little Open Thread crawling in here on your hands and knees and begging for help.
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Picture like that one of Bergy are crazy
It looks like his elbow is about to pop out.
Igpay Atinlay
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Dec 4, 2010 8:08 AM EST reply actions
Adrian Gonzalez to the Red Sox
What a bad way to start the day. Flip side, Adrian Beltre just became much more available than he was yesterday.
by KellRawLive on Dec 4, 2010 9:15 AM EST via mobile reply actions
What did it cost them?
And if it’s no one on their MLB roster, I’m gonna be PISSED.
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
And to answer my own question...
Top prospect Casey Kelly is among the package likely headed to San Diego, the report said. Previous reports have indicated the Padres would not receive any major league players from Boston in a potential deal, instead opting (or settling) for a handful of prospects from Boston’s deep farm system.
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/12/04/red-sox-have-deal-in-principle-for-adrian-gonzalez-report-says/
That, my friends, sucks.
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Ahhh...the best teams just getting better
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Eh
BA ranked Casey Kelly as the 24th best prospect in baseball last year. I wouldn’t trade a package centered around that for Adrian Gonzalez. And it’s different for the Red Sox because Gonzalez wanted to go there and will sign an extension. He wouldn’t have done that for Baltimore. There’s no way.
It sucks that the Red Sox got a great player, but if anyone thinks the Orioles should have gone after him, it’s crazy.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
+1
I’m already fatigued from rolling my eyes at some of the comments spewing around the interweb about this. And I just got up.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
stay away from the twitter, trust me.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
seriously!
someone on the masn boards said “I hear the dead sox are getting AGon. Way to go O’s!”
Like, seriously you guys! What in fuck’s name were we supposed to do about that?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Offer Jones, Tillman, and anyone not named Erbe, Britton or Machado from the farm system?
Then write a really, really big check payable to Adrian Gonzalez shortly after to secure his services.
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Just making sure you were paying attention
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the red sox package sounds like its better than that
you want Gonzalez? Tillman, Britton, Arrieta, and Bell.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Give me a negotiation window to seal the extension, and we're good.
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you get no window
you want a window? throw in matusz
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
no window for you!
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
You're insane
I say that with love, dude, but seriously?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Seriously
You give a window to negotiate an extension, I’d gladly give up those four for a power bat on a long-term deal.
WHO THE HELL ELSE IS OUT THERE??
I an so fucking tired of watching us send out players to 1B that wouldn’t make a AAA All-Star team. Want to make an omelet, gotta break some eggs.
And I’d consider this buying a bat.
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Well it doesn't matter because he wouldn't extend here
The amount of money you’d have to give Adrian Gonzalez to extend in Baltimore without testing the market would cripple the team financially.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Nope
Angelos is sitting on a FORTUNE in MASN money. I’d love for Jay Hancock at The Sun or some other financially astute reporter to dig into just how much money the team is making off that deal. I have a feeling we’d all be mighty pissed when we found out just how much Orioles cash PGA is sitting on.
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I agree it'd be nice to know
But the point stands that you’d have to overpay Gonzalez so much that it’d be ridiculous. More than you’d have to overpay him in FA because you take away his option of exploring the market.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
So?
People can laugh all they want at the contract if the O’s make the playoffs in 2013.
We’re gonna have to overpay to get ANYONE. Why not make it the best FA option on the board for the next 3 years? If you’re gonna buy a lottery ticket, don’t play the Pick 3. Go for the Mega Millions.
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but thats the thing
we wont make the playoffs if we sell all our pitching for a first baseman.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I would not consider
Tillman, Britton, Arrieta ALL of our pitching
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So they'd still have Guthrie and Matusz and....Matt Hobgood?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
He's losing weight, you know.
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best shape of his career?
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 4, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Duck, seriously here.
If you trade Britton, Arrieta, and Tillman, who will be in the rotation? What’s the answer?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Matusz, Guts, FA TBA, Bergesen, MiLB TBA
and that’s assuming Hernandez and Berken stay in the pen, as does Koji.
We’re one FA signing away from having a pretty good top 4 in that scenario. Not as good as before, but they don’t have to pitch to a sub-3.00 ERA to win games with A-Gon, either.
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well
there’s noone really in the pipeline that fits the description….maybe if we get lucky Bascom or Berry? And it’s not like the Orioles have been able to bring in a legit free agent starting pitcher since Jimmy Key.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
We'd need a #3 starter in that scenario
I don’t need a 1996 Jimmy Key to sign, I need someone like Chris Young.
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Guthrie being the #2?
in 2013?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
He's aging well
Although I fully expect Oliver Drake to be our #2 by then.
/kidding!
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thats fine
but then you get to get tired of sending players out to pitch that wouldn’t make a AAA All-Star team.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
word word word
Enjoy Rick VandenHurk and Troy Patton in the rotation.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Does it help
That I’d rather lose games 7-5 than 3-1?
And The Hulk is gonna be in our rotation by July with our rotten luck, anyway.
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It doesn't help me, no.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
And yes, I fully understand this would never happen
although part of the reason it would never happen is the O’s would never be so bold as to make such an offer.
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
"Stay away from the twitter" is good life advice in general.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 4, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Repeat after me...
if you make the check large enough, anyone will sign anywhere.
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Once they're already on the market and can see what other people offer, sure.
Not when he’s 1 year away from the possibility of the Orioles being outbid by anyone who hasn’t been the shittiest team in baseball not named the Pirates for the last 13 years.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
The Pads getting a good deal, or shafted?
UPDATE: Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston.com tweets that Padres will receive Kelly, Rizzo and outfielder Reymond Fuentes in exchange for Gonzalez.
totally shafted
He’s the best thing they’ve had since Jake Peavy and they send him away for a good prospect and 2 average ones. Although, maybe I’m just being bitter
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 4, 2010 12:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Meh
Kelly didn’t have a great year last year, and MLBTR says we are talking about trading Tillman, who was a higher ranked prospect, for fucking Mark Reynolds. So it seems a lot less crazy to me.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Two things
I’d think you would know that prospects cant be judged simply based on stats.
I’d also think you know that just because Tillman’s name came up in trade talks doesn’t mean that the Orioles brought it up, or that it was a serious negotiating point.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I'm not going on stats alone
Kelly’s velocity has stuck around 90. Color me unimpressed.
On the other hand, I can totally believe the O’s would trade Tillman. What dumb thing wouldn’t we do?
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
it's pretty unhealthy to assume the worst of people
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Being healthy is for California new age fuckwits.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Is there something special about the California variety of new age fuckwits? More annoyingly tan than the new age fuckwits from western Vermont?
I just got meh'd
So you only think it’s crazy because of the possibility of trading Tillman, or you think it would be a good idea to have tried to trade for Gonzalez?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I think the same things I've always thought
1. There are only a few premium offensive players in baseball who are ever available who are on the right side of the age divide. They are extremely valuable.
2. There are loads of decent offensive players who are available all the time. They are worth essentially nothing. What is the difference to the Orioles in having Reynolds instead of Edwin Encarnacion at third?
3. Smart teams have constant prospect surpluses. The Red Sox have lots of prospects of similar value to Rizzo, Kelly, and Fuentes, all of whom are good prospects but not slam dunk guys. This allows them to continually trade away quality prospects like in this deal, or Nick Hagadone et al for V-Mart, and to still have home grown players like Lester, Buchholz, and Pedroia. They will not miss the prospects they gave up, and they will not miss them despite consistently having shittier draft position than we do.
So, without even going into how we have destroyed the value of top 50 prospects like Josh Bell and Tillman so that what would have easily been a better package for Gonzalez a year ago is now not nearly enough to have beaten the Red Sox, we continue to just do things wrong. We don’t get it. And it makes me sick, and it is why we can’t sign people even when we offer comparable money.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
"destroyed"?
someone’s being overdramatic
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Beltre, anyone?
One door closes, another one opens? I’m trying to be positive! See! Exclamation points! It’s all I’ve got! And smileys :) another McPhail offseason we just shot right out of the cannon folks!
by KellRawLive on Dec 4, 2010 10:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
it certainly takes the favorite out of the proceedings
the only problem is that Beltre ain’t coming to Baltimore. period.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
See above
Make the check large enough, anyone will sign anywhere.
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true
but do you want Beltre on a 6/150 contract?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I'd be more pissed at the loss of a draft pick than the $$$ involved.
and we’ve got it to burn.
Seriously. No loss of a player, but losing a #2 would suck.
We’ve got money. Adding $25M to next year’s payroll would put us at what we spend just 2 years ago, right?
Add Beltre, bring back Koji at a reduced cost, trade for Mark Reynolds, and hey, 4th place, here we come!
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i think i can handle the #2 pick for beltre
you’re coming out on top with beltre
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Then $25 a year for 6 years,
figuring the first 2 will be awesome, the next 2-3 will be league average, and we’ll DFA him the last year when he falls off a cliff?
Sign me up.
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oh duck, you're such an idealist
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
That is a rather reasonable expectation, right?
And it’s just money. Sure, it’s not mine, but PGA is siting on a pile of it that makes the scene in The Dark Knight look like a campfire. I’m not expecting him to perform for all 6 years at his current level. I’m OK with that.
Beltre only costs us cash + a #2, one of the few FAs I’ve ever seen you say is worth a #2.
So throw a Brinks truck at him. What the hell are else the O’s gonna do with the cash? Sink it into Dominican scouting?
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So we sign him to 6 years, the last 5 with a club option only.
He’d sign that, right??
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well his previous contract year in seattle didn't go very well
maybe he just needs to play in hitter-friendly parks instead of seattle?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
im not comfortable suggesting anyone was on the roids
but yes – my point is that maybe its the ballpark, and not the walk year?
In 2008, he OPSed .862 away from Safeco Field. That’s a.160 point positive road platoon.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
oh yeah. he got nailed in the nuts. now i remember.
yeah. he’s a mercenary all right.
was of course just kidding about roids.
oh, yeah! I forgot about that
Ken Griffey Jr had the M’s play the Nutcracker Suite as Beltre’s at bat music after that. That was hysterical.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I don't get the love for Adrian Beltre
He has a career OPS+ of 108. And that’s worth $15M for five years?
Librarians are hiding something
I really disagree that we have money to burn for a long term contract
We have a very low payroll right now. that is true. However, we are not that far away from all these young players we’re relying on from becoming arbitration eligible and our payroll is going to explode. We could probably overpay on a short term contract if that would convince someone, but we can’t afford to just start throwing on years.
Actually, we can.
In his recent article, Fisher also reported that Angelos would receive two payments totaling $75 million. Indicating a capitalized value of $750 million for MASN, the $75 million would represent the Nationals’ 10 percent stake in the regional sports network. MLB would make the first $37.5 million payment by June 30; the second $37.5 million payment will be due a year later. Presumably, the eventual owners of the Nationals would be responsible for the entire $75 million.
Over the next two decades, according to the Selig-Angelos agreement, the Angelos ownership share would gradually decline to 67 percent, thus guaranteeing forever that the owner of the team in the much smaller market would retain overwhelming control of the network and receive the vast majority of its profits. As Fisher also reported in The Times, MASN plans to pay the small-market Orioles the same rights fees the large-market Nationals will receive. This arrangement effectively guarantees that the Nationals will receive below-market rights fees; meanwhile, the small-market Orioles will make a killing, further enhancing Angelos’ profits from this absurd deal.
Interestingly, the Angelos-controlled MASN would be receiving a total of $75 million in 2005 and 2006 for the Nationals’ stake, while Comcast SportsNet retains control over 100 percent of the Orioles’ local pay-TV telecasts. Moreover, whether Angelos will be able to transfer the Orioles from Comcast to MASN in 2007, as he intends, remains a very open question. Comcast, which is the nation’s largest cable company, has filed a lawsuit charging that its current contract with the Orioles gives it the right to match any agreement between the Orioles and any third party for future local pay-TV rights to the Orioles.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2005/may/7/20050507-111843-3654r/print/
PGA has money to burn.
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And as we all know..
PGA won the right to move the O’s to MASN.
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At this point...
The “leap” everyone expects/expected us to take just got pushed back another year so I’m willing to sell my soul to the devil for a sign of life from our front office. Mark Reynolds & Derrek Lee don’t give me quite the same tingle as Beltre. It’ll cost but the bat & glove combo are exactly what we need. I just wanna see something.
by KellRawLive on Dec 4, 2010 10:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Sun is reporting him "off the board"
Doesn’t give any details, just dismisses him as an option for 3B. Wonder why. Did he sign a deal I missed?
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Here's the link
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/2010/12/prewinter_meeting_tidbits_part.html
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I assume just that he's too pricey
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
the Os were on the sidelines on the Gonzalez thing. always have been. it’s getting frustrating, though, watching the big names come off the board while Team mulls which “signature food” will delight it’s 4,200 fans per game
I know that's a snappy sound bite and all, but come on.
It’s not like anybody who is responsible for evaluating or negotiating with free agents is involved in picking out that concession stuff.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 4, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Touche.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 4, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Fuentes
Has he really fallen off the cliff performance wise, and is only relying on name value from a few good years? Or would he be worthy of taking a chance? Not an M-Gonz type contract mind you. Of course, if he’s still relying on past name value, he may be asking for more. Also, would Derrek Lee be the second coming of G-Fats, or the second coming of his younger self? I also have no problem with putting Luke on first, and perhaps getting Russell Martin as a backup. Boggles my mind that the Dodgers gave a guy 8 years older with no stats to speak of that much cash. Mendoza looks at Barajas and feels pity. Almost.
Lee is nowhere near F'Atkins in any way
I’ve always hated Fuentes’ throwing motion (pet peeve), but he’s a pretty decent middle relief option, which really shouldn’t break the bank. He absolutely kills lefties, and I assume that’s what the O’s are looking for.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Do we even need middle relief FAs?
This is the one area I say just keep bringing kids up from AAA until one figures it out. That Jamie Walker/Chad Bradford era os wasted cash on middle relief will haunt me for years.
Seems to me, if we re-sign Koji, we’re actually OK on relief pitching. Not great, but certainly OK, especially with a manager who knows how to use a bullpen.
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if you can bring in a guy on a short, modest deal then why not
relief pitching is super volatile, but there are two things that I think are going unappreciated:
1) how much of a premium contenders will pay for relief stability late in the season (see: Sherrill for Bell and Johnson)
2) that you need a lot of relievers for the whole season.
Doesn’t mean go nuts. What was really crazy about Walker/Chadford/Williamson/Baez was the length of the deals. What was really crazy about Gonzalez was the draft pick (and making a reliever the second highest paid player on the roster). But for a modest one or two year deal that doesn’t involve draft picks, I’m totally down.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
This just on CBS' Rumours Page
As if getting rid of Adrian Gonzalez wasn’t enough, Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com tweets the Padres “absolutely” will trade closer Heath Bell.
Bell has one year remaining of arbitration and is due for a raise after making $4 million last season. Bell was 6-1 with a 1.93 ERA and 47 saves in 2010.
Rosenthal lists the White Sox, Angels, Rangers, Marlins, Cardinals, Blue Jays and Rays as teams possibly interested in Bell.
I'm perfectly OK with the O's not being in a Heath Bell sweepstakes.
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what! You have to trade Jones and any prospect not name Machado for him!
Gotta make those playoffs with the proven closer!
/I don’t need to tell you that I’m being dead serious
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Somehow, I feel there needs to be a sarcasm font in use here.
Although it does suck that TB’s or TOR’s bullpens might actually improve.
We could be in a division where 85 wins gets you 5th place.
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the rays lost like all of their relievers
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
And they'll find new ones at the local Wal-Mart or Home Depot parking lot
I swear, I’d give their GM a $10 million signing bonus if I thought we could get them.
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Get HIM, my apologies
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Shouldn't the Jays have learned
after their own experience with taking our own Mr Ryan at 11 mill per, only to have him magnificently assplode before his contract was up?
Their young pitching right now looks pretty darn good.
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sarcasm font
I think our friends over at Royals Review have a sarcasm font btw.
Librarians are hiding something
they can, but they won't
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Between whiffing on Dunn, refusing to offer Beltre a reasonable offer, offeringV-Mart too much
and being a non-factor in the A-Gon sweepstakes, I’m feeling pretty gloomy about the O’s chanced in the next two years. How many 2-1 or 1-0 games is Brian Matusz gonna have to lose the next two years before AM figures out he’s got to get SOMEONE who can OPS over .850 at 1B and 3B, and someone who can hit his freakin’ weight at SS?
Fuck, man, these problems didn’t spring up over night. They’ve been here since you were hired 3.5 years ago. And there’s NOTHING in the farm system at either three that’s an option for the next 3 years, with the possible exception of Machado.
Bah fuckin’ humbug, indeed.
Off to a swim meet. Peace, peeps.
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by duck on Dec 4, 2010 11:24 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Paging Dr Orpheus:
With Adrian Beltre mostly out of the picture, the Orioles have few other third base options besides Ty Wigginton or Mark Reynolds, who appears on his way out of Arizona. SI’s Jon Heyman reported that Chris Tillman’s name has been discussed. I’ve heard the names Josh Bell and David Hernandez mentioned, and that Arizona is really looking to bolster its bullpen with a couple of young arms. I don’t know this for sure, but my gut is that the Orioles would rather trade Tillman in a deal that would land them less risky of a slugger than Reynolds who will hit his homers but also strike out at a dizzying pace. Either way, the Orioles aren’t completely sold on Reynolds — for good reason — and still aren’t budging on the Diamondbacks’ asking price, but the sense is that the deal is out there if they want it.
How are people feeling about this? I mean if they’ll take Josh Bell and Hernandez I’d be all over this trade. Tillman? I don’t know. But I’ve got a sneaking suspicion he might be a bust out.
I know I shouldn't care about BA
but damn, under .200 last year?
Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere".
that's why he's so cheap.
did you see that weird ass .349, .320, .349, .320 OBP in 4 consecutive years?
Complete anomaly.
Worst BA of his ML or MiL stats.
Better news: dude only hit .190 & was still on base 32% of the time – with 32HR, to boot.
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
Some fun Mark Reynolds facts
He has the record for most strike outs in a season of ALL TIIIIIIIME @ 233 in 2009.
He hit the longest Home Run in the 2009 season: 481 feet off of Brad Lidge.
He led the Majors in 3 True Outcomes in 2009 with 343.
In 2010 he was the first player in MLB history to finish with a lower BA, .198, than strikeout total, 211.
I dunno
I kinda like this guy. This motherfucker is all or nothing. Push it to the limit, Tony Montana-style.
by Jonny Pops on Dec 4, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
looks like a 2 year...
I’d say try to get an option on him early. I mean we’ve got to be realistic guys. We’re not going to sign a big free agent here until the club gets better. We need to luck out on somebody and this is the type of guy you can luck out with.
Team control through 2013, according to Cot's.
11:$5M, 12:$7.5M, 13:$11M club option ($0.5M buyout).
I think if we could get him for a couple of relievers, he’d definitely be worth the pickup. His glove makes me worry a little, but it looks like he’s been slowly improving over the years — and that his problem is errors, not range.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
San Diego wants two relievers for Reynolds?
From MLBTR:
Mark Reynolds will not be traded to the Padres according to Jack Magruder of FOX Sports Arizona (Twitter link). His source adds that the Diamondbacks are seeking two relievers for their third baseman.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Dang. Too bad we non-tendered Albers.
We could have given them Albers and Simon. That’s two relievers!
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by Eat More Esskay on Dec 4, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
We should have taken Hendricksons's option
and flipped him and Albers. They could be above average in the NL West.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
Hernandez and what?
For Reynolds.
Berken? Mickolio?
I’d prefer to hold on to Mickolio and JJ.
Librarians are hiding something
I'd rather keep berken than mickolio.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 4, 2010 1:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hernandez and Viola
I knew there was a reason the Orioles were keeping Viola on the 40 man!
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Dec 4, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Crawford
MLB network blabbering about how now that the Sox have A-Gonz that the MFYs will go after CC hard and that Theo should go for him too just to drive the price up and blah, blah, blah. What a disgusting circle jerk the offseason just became…
"They're throwing bottles at your house...Come one, let's go break their arms." - Henry Fool
by Fahrenheit 451 on Dec 4, 2010 12:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
What a fucking disappointment
I knew I shouldn’t have had my hopes up this offseason. :(
by LoveForTheGame13 on Dec 4, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Not like I thought Crawford was coming here
But for once, can we have more than 2 teams in baseball? Part of it’s MLB Network, which blows. God they are some MFY lovers. When they had Willie Randolph on it was about 30 seconds of him joining the O’s and then straight to “so, Willie, how about this Jeter thing?” How about fuck Derek Jeter? Is there no other news worthy to print than what happens in NY and BOS? Jesus…
"They're throwing bottles at your house...Come one, let's go break their arms." - Henry Fool
by Fahrenheit 451 on Dec 4, 2010 1:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Reach arounds
Hot plates & plumpkins for all
by KellRawLive on Dec 4, 2010 1:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Am I silly..
for really liking Leverage? The show makes me giggle once in awhile and it seems like an Ocean’s Eleven plot every episode.
Leverage is awesome.
Though I didn’t finish the last season when I went off to college. Shit, the new one is starting soon, isn’t it?
I dunno yet
As I’m only up to episode 9 on Season 2, but there hasn’t been an episode I haven’t liked yet.
They film that in Portland.
Bring back Luis Matos.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Dec 4, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
I approve this message and then some
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Yes
I wouldn’t mind Reynolds. I can see giving up someone like DH or Berken, but really it’s a risk for the O’s, and a salary dump for the snakes, so if they hand over the farm I’ll be pissed. The contract isn’t bad ($5M, $7.5M plus $11M option year) unless Reynolds keeps declining, then it’s Jay Gibbons all over again.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
I was thinking about it
and the fact that the Red Sox are getting a window to negotiate with Gonzalez may actually underline just how foolish trading for him could have been. Makes me think as badly as the Red Sox wanted him, he wanted to go to Boston just as much. Gonzalez seemingly was always going to be with the Sox in 2012, and we would have given up a ton to have him just for 2011.
All I can hope
Is that Gonzalez says “Yeah right, I’m gonna be a free agent.”
"I know the save rule, believe me. But it doesn't carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better." - Buck Showalter
what a fucking bummer
There’s no way A-Gon would have signed an extension here w/o an absurd contract offer so it doesn’t make sense to trade for him. Sounds like the RS gave up about what you’d expect, maybe a bit less, for a one year rental w/ the possibility of an extension. Hopefully, A-Gon will still make it to free agency.
Your mother.
I'm sure Gonzalez will sign a Howard like extension
Theo ain’t no fool. But I still don’t trust Lackey and Beckett.
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Dec 4, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Totally random question, but...
…is anyone in an keeper league that has an open spot? I kinda wanna be in one.
"There's more Met than Yankee in all of us"-Roger Angell
Yanks and Jetah come to terms:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/12/yankees-derek-jeter-agree-to-contract.html
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 4, 2010 6:57 PM EST reply actions
Anyone see this tweet from Buster Olney?
The Orioles are desperate for right-handed power and are locking in on Mark Reynolds as a solution. He’d hit 50 homers in Camden Yards.
It’s from late last night. I’m not sure I buy FIFTY homers, but that would be pretty sweet…
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
If we're talking hernandez for Reynolds, pull the trigger
but I’m not going near Tillman unless theres more to the trade.
I can't even imagine someone on the Orioles with 50 bombs.
Nobody bring up Brady Anderson. I already know.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 4, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
What about Brady Anderson?
:)
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 4, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
it's not crazy...
raffy and “joey” came close, no?
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
Frank Robinson hit 49 in 1966 and Jim Gentile hit 46 in ’61. Raffy hit 43 as his high with the club in ’98.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 4, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
He’d hit 50 homers in Camden Yards.
WTF, Chase Field is much more hitter friendly than CY.
Your mother.
Is that enough to think Reynolds would hit 50 home runs? probably not.
but his home runs could go up slightly due the dimensions.
Chase field is 320 down the left field line
and OPACY is 333, but chase field is only that short right down the line. It jumps out quickly. Other than that Chase Field is deeper everywhere, including a left center (where most of Reynolds hrs would go) of 376 vs opacy’s 364.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 4, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
that lends some credibility to one of Dunn theories
Vmart destroys lefties, Dunn not so much. But that’s still not seeing the forest for the trees, there, Andy.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Reynolds, (Derrek) Lee, and Hardy
All realistic, all would improve this team. Anything less then that is a missive disappointment in my opinion.
"There's more Met than Yankee in all of us"-Roger Angell
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