Monday Bird Droppings
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PrintQ&A with Orioles beat writer Jeff Zrebiec | Baltimore Sports Report
BSR asked Jeff Zrebiec his opinion on the O's offseason so far.
Five Orioles storylines to watch at baseball's winter meetings | baltimoresun.com
Will Andy make a splash? Do FAs want to come to Baltimore? Will Buck win over everyone? All this and more!
Is Mark Reynolds On His Way From Arizona To Baltimore? | AZ Snakepit
AZ Snakepit takes a look at the Reynolds to Baltimore rumors and shares that the D-Backs aren't crazy about Chris Tillman but would love to have David Hernandez.
School of Roch: Don't look for Beltre in Baltimore
Everyone can pipe down on the Adrian Beltre talk, because the O's don't want him.
Steve Melewski: The fans get stirred up, but MacPhail not ready yet to spend big
Orioles fans: DO SOMETHING SPEND SOME MONEY! Andy: Calm down, children. Now is the time for patience.
Red Sox, Padres complete Gonzalez deal | MLB.com
The trade for Adrian Gonzalez is complete, but no extension has been met.
Brewers reportedly to deal top prospect for Marcum | madison.com
The Brewers are sending their top prospect, 2nd baseman Brett Lawrie, to Toronto for Shaun Marcum.
Cardinals, Berkman agree to one-year deal | Yahoo! Sports
Another 1B is off the board as Lance Berkman signed a one year, $8M contract with the St. Louis Cardinals. We never heard that the Orioles were interested, but thank goodness they now don't have the option.
Jayson Werth agrees to $126 million, 7-year contract with Washington Nationals | baltimoresun.com
In case you didn't hear, Jayson Werth traded in his chance to compete for more money than he ever thought he'd get. The Nationals, according to the Twitter, made such a huge initial offer that Scott Boras didn't even bother asking the other clubs that were interested to match because he knew they wouldn't.
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What a bizarre FA period so far.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 6, 2010 9:03 AM EST reply actions
So how does a quote like Boras's get leaked?
Does Boras just shoot his mouth off to anyone within earshot about how stupid teams are?
Because he wanted it to.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Telling the world that even Scott Boras can be blown away by an offer?
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
e.g. "Hey, teams, you can impress me that much that my players will sign with you right out."
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I can see that
I was interpreting it like Boras was ridiculing the Nats, “Boy, those guys sure are stupid. I made sure to accept that offer before someone told them how stupid it is!” But I like your explanation better.
Oh no doubt.
Would the nats really have made an offer that large if he wasn’t a boras client? Probably not. They knew it was going to take a huge offer just because of his agent.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 10:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
by that logic
cliff lee doesn’t necessarily need a big offer either, right?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
The only way for a Boras client to end up on a team like the O's or the Nationals is a huge contract
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 6, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
oh, that explains why Scorey got that weird 5/150 deal last winter!
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
What?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 6, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
corey patterson is a boras client
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Yea but Corey Patterson sucks
He’s lucky he’s even in the league.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 6, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
ooooooh, so its just the good boras players who get massive contracts
like when Johnny Damon got froze out
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Dude, stop being a prat
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 6, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Your misinterpreting me.
Werth does not get that much if he wasn’t a boras client. Just like Barry Zito. Boras is an excellent agent and is known for getting massive deals. If Werth was represented by a “lesser” agent then, yea, that nats still would have had to blow away the other teams offers but it’s highley unlikely that they would have started so high. Cliff Lee on the otherhand is an amazing player and is going to get paid. By my logic, though, he would get paid a lot more by being represented by Boras vs some other schmuck.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 11:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
maybe
but if GMs are negotiating based on the agent and not the player talent, then owners need to get out their firing sticks.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
See my comment below.
Scott Boras owns the market.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 11:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i don't think that's true
I think Cliff Lee and Carl Crawford own the market
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
But everybody wants those guys
Not every team wants guys like Werth.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 6, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
werth is pretty good, though, right?
he does have the crazy eyes, but I thought most folks figured he’s pretty solid in a flashier-than-J.D. Drew kinda way.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Easy on the eyes jokes.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Am I missing something?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
My son has an incurable eye condition that affects his vision
Personal pet peeve – no jokes about eyes. I refer you to Rule 8 of the Community Guidelines.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
He doesn't have keratoconus does he?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I defer to your wishes of course
But saying someone has crazy eyes isn’t really anything about vision, it’s about some people look straight up crazy and you can see it in their eyes. Like they’re trying to stare inside of you and steal pieces of your soul.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I thought he was referring to his actual eyes.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
oh no no no
jayson werth is a psycho killer
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Qu'est-ce que c'est ?
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Talking Heads ring a bell?
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
by duck on Dec 6, 2010 4:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Run run run run run run run awaaaaayyy
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
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"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Werth and Boras set the market
For Crawford though. Although, I’m not so sure that anyone is going to pay Crawford based on Werth’s ridiculous deal. He may be highly disappointed (albeit very well paid).
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 11:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Disagree
He’s going to get more than Werth, albeit not as much more as he should.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 6, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Yes.
That is exactly what I meant.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Oh...my b
Reading comprehension fail
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 6, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
That is true
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
I'm sure the media talked to him about it.
This quote was after the deal was finished. It’s not like he leaked info about ongoing negotiations.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 10:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
As for why he said it
Doesn’t it sound like a big ‘fuck you’ to MLB? Like “hey MLB, yea you, I fucking own you. I am the market and there is nothing you can do about it.”
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 10:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's also possible a rival exec or two dropped the knowledge that Boras never called them back.
The twitter post wasn’t specifically sourced to Boras, so it could have just been a couple of other GMs whining, “He never called us back!”
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
That could be true.
He never called us back about Tex after the Yankees swooped in with their offer right.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 11:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Werth
I am glad that the Os have not made a deal like the one the Nats made for Werth. That deal involves too much time and too much money for a 31 year old player, even a good one like Werth.
I think there was an off-the-field aspect
I recently read an interview with Ryan Zimmerman where he criticized the front office for losing Dunn. splashing out big money like this will increase fan confidence, as well as player confidence. so yeah, you’re overpaying for Werth’s ability on the field, but you’re also increasing attendance, increasing the club’s ability to attract free agents in the future without overpaying, and increasing the chances you can keep the franchise cornerstones like Zimmerman for years to come.
it might not be the right decision, but it’s an understandable one. in the end the Nationals only overpaid by like $10 million over the course of the contract (Fangraphs ran an article about that) so it’s not a franchise killer. I mean the Giants had 2 bad contracts like this (Rowand + Zito) and still won the World Series.
Again with the fangraphs estimates of value
How hard is it to understand that, while nice to contemplate, they are completely meaningless in a market economy. The players’ value is what teams are willing to pay for him, and as has been mentioned dozens of times, the Nationals blew every other offer out of the water, so it seems highly unlikely that the margin was less than 10% as fangraphs indicates.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I agree
Just look at his home/road splits last year. .838 ops on the road, 1.000 at home. This is like giving Luke Scott that kinda money in my mind. Absolutely insane.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Dec 6, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
And also
I’m sick of hearing all these teams comparing their shitty contracts or bad decisions to the Giants by saying “Look at all their stupid moves and they won the WS!” The Giants play in a division where you can sneak into the playoffs every year with a record barely above .500 and they got incredibly lucky with scrap heap and castoff pickups. All that being said they have a huge rotation with 3 homegrown studs and some great position player prospects as well. The nats don’t have any of that – they have 2 prospects and a stud 3rd baseman and play in a tough division. Modeling themselves after the Giants in terms of accumulating bad contracts is stupid.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Giants won world series despite Sabean
So I guess that means there is hope for us all!
Librarians are hiding something
There's hope for us, sure...
…except that the Giants play in a crappy division in the NL and we play in the best division in the AL… oh well.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Joe Sheehan's response
which boosts attendance more: signing Jayson Werth for 126 million dollars, or handing out 126 million dollars of cash door prizes over the next 7 years?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
This is horrible...
but notice in the 2nd video there is a guy wearing an ’O’s’ hat….
http://jalopnik.com/5707032/german-tv-show-wetten-dass-halted-after-car-jumping-accident
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
footage of actual incident has been removed
you can still watch video of what was going on directly prior, including the dude with the O’s cap.
Kind of amazed that a stunt like that was allowed.
Great quote from KLaw today
from his insiders article:
It’s worth noting that if you as a GM or owner feel that the market is forcing you to “overpay” for a free agent because your team isn’t good, maybe you should improve your team first through the draft…That is, if free agents don’t want to come to your team because your team stinks, the first solution is to make your team better. Signing one premium free agent isn’t the way to do it
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
panic move is the perfect description
Werth has been a five win player but the Nats are assuming NO decline and he’ll remain relatively healthly. Absolutely absurd.
Your mother.
Amen to that
And: The only way to improve one’s club for the long haul is to select good players and develop them, which is something that the Os did not do for a over a decade.
It's way too soon for this...
Talking to people close to Tillman, you can be sure that he’ll report to spring training in the best shape of his life after working out at API. We’re just waiting to find out which camp.
Come on, Roch… at least wait until Spring Training is about to start…
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Jay deal
That was an interesting move. Am trying to figure out what they are up to north of the border. I don’t think it’s anything good (for us).
Librarians are hiding something
I for one am glad not to see that Marcum asshole again
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I said this yesterday, but it was pretty late
The NBC Sports article suggested that it may be the Jays trying to stockpile prospects in order to flip for Greinke.
I love the winter meetings!
They also happen to coincide with my birthday quite often. Too bad I hate Christmas or this would be a great month.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 10:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions
So your birthday present from the O's last year was Kevin Millwood?
That’s some cold shit from Andy.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I never said I loved
what the o’s do at the winter meetings, lol.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 11:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
there's something a little bit sad and funny about this statement...
“Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets that Monday’s meeting will involve Konerko’s agent and assistant GM Rick Hahn. With the Orioles viewed as the only other serious suitor for Konerko, there’s a “strong feeling” the White Sox will get a deal done as early as this week."
I’d be thrilled to NOT get konerko, but I like that the Orioles aren’t really taken seriously as FA suitors
I wonder who is in the deal other than Hernandez
mlbtraderumors: RT @SI_JonHeyman: Reynolds to O’s getting close [via Twitter]
mlbtraderumors: RT @SI_JonHeyman: Chris tillman not in the mark reynolds trade as currently constituted.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
neither would I
maybe a AAA or AA reliever? I am throwing names out there like Boras does… make the deal sweet
the great...
mickolio?
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 6, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
That would be nice
It’s not like the DBacks haven’t been ripped off before….
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 6, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
here you go
mlbtraderumors: RT @nickpiecoro: Sounds like the Reynolds/Baltimore stuff is getting close. Hernandez expected to be in deal. Mickolio strong possibility. [via Twitter]
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
obviously this reynolds trade is breaking the twitter
since I cant access it no more.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I am following on Yahoo...
I don’t get access to Twitter at work.. but they are doing a good job of a live following of relevant tweets.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
Here's the link for anyone else in that situation
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
Me too
I never thought much of Mickolio….and I’m not gonna be broken up about losing Hernandez if Reynolds is decent.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 6, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
i'd be sort of bummed...
dh has shown flashes of what he could be since moving to the pen whereas the mick sort of is what he is at this point, i think.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 6, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed on DH.
Well, it sounds like this is going to end up being the deal, so I guess now all we can do is wait and see.
At least if we get Reynolds it probably means we won’t have Wigginton as our 3B all year.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Anytime you have a chance to trade relief pitching for a player at a position of need it’s a no-brainer. I like DH, but when is the last time we had a guy that can consistently hit 30+ hr? Hell we’ve only had one guy do it since ’05 and 3 total 30 hr seasons in the 2000s (Huff 08, Miggi 04, and Batista 02).
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
i guess it depends...
on what dh’s ceiling may be, but, as a counter point to my own first point, you think the nats aren’t kicking themselves about not getting anything for chad cordero before he imploded?
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 6, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
The only thing that hurts
is that DH was under team control through 2015. As long as we don’t sign a type A reliever, then this is a good deal in my eyes.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
good!
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 6, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
We traded two middle relievers
for a 3B bat. I’ll take it.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Neither would I
but, if Reynolds is going to suck this season and next season, I’m going to break shit. I’m pulling for David Hernandez to tear shit up in the NL West. Bet he becomes a starter too. Also, he’ll be happy to be closer to home.
by LoveForTheGame13 on Dec 6, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Fuck that. No way we give up both DH & JJ for Reynolds.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 6, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Usually I would say this is the orioles we are talking about
but the one thing Andy has done while here is not make stupid trades. Definitely his strong suit.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 11:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
get em!
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
really?
get em! has jumped the shark. maybe because I get it over at BGN as well, but every other post these days is “get em”
get em!
/obvious
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
get eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
SAY "GET 'EM" ONE MORE TIME, I DARE YOU!
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
duck's getting one step closer to the edge.
He’s about to break.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
it's like a jungle...
sometimes it makes me wonder how he keeps from going under.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 6, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
DO THEY SPEAK ENGLISH IN GET 'EM?
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
by duck on Dec 6, 2010 4:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You know what happened next to Brad, right?
That big brain didn’t save him from Jules.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
It'll burn out, like all things do.
Like there was about a ten day span where it seemed like every fourth post was “harden the fuck up.” Now you hardly see anyone saying it any more.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
well that's nice
but here’s the thing I’m starting to hate about the hot stove in the internet age: it feels like we’ve already been judging this mer fing deal to death and we don’t even have a clue what the deal is. I’m not a fan at all of pre-judging shit like this. Gawd.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
This.
My boss is out all week, so even if I had stuff to do, I couldn’t send anything out, since he isn’t here to sign it.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
yeah, I know
it’s just…why get worked up into a frenzy over losing Chris Tillman for Mark Reynolds when we don’t know that that was ever on the fucking table?
Hey – let’s talk about whether or not Brian Matusz should be traded straight up for Domonic Brown! That’s basically the same level of discourse.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
kba, you're my favorite today
did not think anyone would take that ball and run with it.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
We need Brown so I can wear a jersey with my name without being tacky.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
that's why I was heavily pulling for the Orioles to draft Kyle Gibson a couple years back
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Olney's confirming the deal
Deal that sends Mark Reynolds to Orioles will have David Hernandez and Kam Mickolio headed to Arizona.
Reynolds deal is pending physicals.
Welcome to Baltimore, Mark Reynolds.
Don’t suck.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Please hit 40 hr a year.
Kthxbai.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
The Buh-Dard trade just keeps on paying off!
I wonder how long it can keep paying dividends?
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 6, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
I once traced the lineage that has currently netted the Yankees Nick Swisher
and it goes waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back. The Hideki Irabu trade is still netting them guys. BUH DARD could keep cycling in and out guys for the next 15 years.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
If we resign Flat Breezy and then trade him again, does it still count on the BUH DARD ledger?
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 6, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely.
We still have Bell, Jones, Tillman, and Steve Johnson (I think that’s it?). Those players could pay dividends for years to come.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Well Reynolds is now on the list too
If Bell puts it together over the next year or so we can always flip Reynolds and acquire even more pieces to keep the lineage going
Reynolds is only half on the list though.
DH was clearly the main piece to this deal. Mickolio was just extra. But it still counts, I guess.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
if you're going to be that picky about our trade bloodlines
all the offspring is going to end up looking like Garrett Atkins
shudder
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by j.q. higgins on Dec 6, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Reynolds has the added advantage of being right handed. He was also born in Pikeville, KY. I think it would be rad if he moved to Pikesville.
So I’m guessing the 3-4-5 will be Markakis, Reynolds, Scott.
Do the Orioles bring back Wigginton? And how are the Orioles supposed to get a shortstop?
Librarians are hiding something
hail, cesar!
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-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 6, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Resigning Cesar seems like a good idea now
I don’t think Reynolds is awful defensively, but having a plus defender next to him sounds smart.
honestly...
not all that good, but probably comparable to what we had in tejada. some say reynolds is improving, as well.
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-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 6, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
well a deal for bartlett or hardy is most likely off the table
since both also seemed to center around Hernandez. what else do you propose?
Hm
Well 3B is now taken, so how do you feel about manning SS? Can you guarantee a 1.000 fielding %?
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I dunno, i might have to jump out of the way of a few balls at short
and that could be kinda obvious. Still it shouldn’t be more than 5 errors or so, so i’d still be a lock for the gold glove.
If you never move, you'll never commit an error
In which case, you’ll def win the GG!
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by twistedlogic on Dec 6, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
True
In which case you’ll make a sick jump-throw and everybody will act like they’ve never seen anyone better.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 6, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
I will do it
for free
"If people don't want to come out to the ballpark, how are you going to stop them?" Yogi Berra
If DH was the focal point for Bartlett/Hardy
We really got a much better player in return today. If we had to give up DH to improve the club, which of the three would you prefer? I’m taking Reynolds all day on that one.
by KellRawLive on Dec 6, 2010 5:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My question is are the O's really down on Josh Bell or moving him to first?
I know he might need another year in the minors but you’re also not bringing in Reynolds to be a one year stop gap either I guess.
Reynolds could always be moved over to 1B if Bell gets it together.
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by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 6, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
bell and britton
pending injuries should play the entire year in AAA. We should deal with that next offseason.
Reynolds isn't a stopgap, but he's not a piece that will block Josh Bell either.
Bell starts the year in AAA and if he puts it together and lives up to his potential, you move Reynolds, possibly to first if he’s capable and we haven’t filled that hole otherwise or to another team for something similar to what we paid for him.
he's played first for AZ
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by j.q. higgins on Dec 6, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure if anyone mentioned this
but Crasnick reported that the O’s were rumored to be close to signing Derek Lee but then reported that they were just in talks and nothing is close.
Not a fan of Derek Lee at this point and would’ve preferred him like 5 years ago.
I'd prefer Lee over Pena or LaRoche.
But with Reynolds now coming to town, I’m content if Luke mans 1B.
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by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 6, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure how I feel about this trade
even with plenty of time to have already thought about it. I’m leaning towards “do not like”.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
See, Andrew, this is why you've got to pre-judge.
Because if you don’t, then stuff happens and you don’t have an opinion! :P
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by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
in all seriousness
it’s why you have to not pre-judge, because my first actual thought was “great trade! We didn’t have to move Tillman!” which is ridiculous.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Trading a reliever is almost always a good idea.
5 years of Hernandez versus 3 years of Reynolds? Unless Hernandez becomes a lockdown reliever, this should be a good idea. And I don’t think there are many lockdown relievers in all of baseball.
Librarians are hiding something
This is what i'm leaning towards
There will be more relievers, especially since we draft so many pitchers.
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by Reddrummer9187 on Dec 6, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
here's my thinking
and I’m still working on it. Like I said, I like to let things percolate a while before I judge.
I’m thinking: Hernandez won’t be worth a lot to the Orioles for sure (and Mickolio is more or less dead wood to me), but we’ve still given up SOMETHING for a third baseman who not only won’t increase the odds of a successful season, but won’t become a part of the core we’re trying to build. In other words, unless you’re picking a key piece, why give up anything?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
alternate view
Reynolds is under team control through 2012 for sure and 2013 if the Orioles want him. Would you say that by 2012 the Orioles shouldn’t have a successful season under their belts?
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there's only one definition of success in my book, baby
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Fair enough, but as someone who has to actually watch the games
I’m not opposed to improvement in increments.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
you know I don't actually watch the games
how would I? My step-mom doesn’t pay for cable and I’m scared of the big yellow face in the outside world (I think you call it the…Son? Is that right? Thing is ginormous! How are you surface-dwellers not terrified every waking moment!)
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
gollumgollum
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
seriously though
do you think mark reynolds is going to make the orioles noticeably more entertaining in 2011? I’m not saying I don’t…I’m weighing…
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I think adding a 35-45 home runs will definitely make us more entertaining
I’m not as convinced it makes us better.
More entertaining than Josh Bell or Wiggy at 3B? I 100% do think that.
I get that he’s not going to put the team over the top, but I can’t watch Josh Bell at the plate all season, I just can’t.
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Well, in his defense, Wiggy's meltdown was possibly the most entertaining point of the season.
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by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 6, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
And when he did the flying headbutt into that catcher.
Was that 2010 or 2009? I can’t keep it straight.
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Flying headbutt was 2009.
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by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Wiggy had two meltdowns.
Right? Within a relatively close timeframe?
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck triples
Homeruns and strikeouts are the most exciting plays in baseball. We just added a shit ton of excitement.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
especially...
….when we need to make some incremental improvement to get FAs to come to Baltimore
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
addtionally, trading hernandez simply inspires the Orioles to pay for a free agent reliever
which seems self-defeating.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I don't want to invite the comparisons again
but my better CC half made a solid counter suggestion yesterday in Encarnacion
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Well I'll wait until that (inevitably) happens to judge them for it
signing a type A free agent reliever to replace hernandez would definitely sour this trade for me.
true
it’s a raw opinion. Needs to be refined
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
In a related story, Connelly is saying 6 teams are interested in Koji
who wants to return to the orioles, but is gone if he gets a multi-year deal elsewhere.
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/2010/12/the_reported_koji_six_and_a_st.html
That's actually the first thing I thought of as an immediate downside
Now the Orioles, who are already focusing on relievers for some reason, will be more inclined to overpay for another one.
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I'm not sure that Reynolds can't be a piece going forward
He’s only going to be 27 next season and if he shows some growth I don’t see why he couldn’t be around for a while. He’d likely not be a key piece, but I think its too soon to say he can’t be a solid part of a successful Orioles team in the future.
Well, here's one thing:
the Orioles clearly have demonstrated an inability to land any kind of worthwhile FA the past few seasons up until this point today. We’ve resorted to signing replacement level and below type FAs in order to fill out our 25 man roster rather than have to rush guys to the bigs only to see them flame out or never develop fully.
Prior to this point we’ve also focused on trading away established veterans for pieces and parts that further bolster our MiLB and MLB rosters. Tejada and the Canadian have netted us more than ten players (and counting) that have dramatically altered the short and long-term prognosis for this team.
If you can’t buy ‘em, trade for ’em. Hopefully the "’em" also are already signed to a contract that will not need to be negotiated within the next few years. Additonally, while many people assumed that “buying the bats” involved forking over copious amounts of dough – prospects/players are legal tender in the MLB. Looks like we just bought ourselves a bat, for whatever it’s worth.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 6, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
So basically what you are trying to say
If you can’t buy ‘em, trade for ’em.
Is get ’em.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
In as many words, yes.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 6, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
We gave up two middling middle relievers
for a power bat on a corner infield spot. I’ll take it.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
i like the trade,
but DH is far better than “middling”
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
For 2/3 of one year, maybe
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
I'm not sure how I feel either.
I’m going to have process it a bit.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
At least we don't have to worry about our third basemen striking out too much anymore.
Wait. What?
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Just imagine if Crow was still the hitting coach!
250 K’s? 300 K’s? The possibilities boggle the mind.
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by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 6, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
the strikeouts are definitely not a big deal
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Oh, I know.
I was just referencing all of the “Josh Bell suxxors cuz of strikeouts roffle blah blah blah” comments. As long as he unleashes some bombs about 35-40 times a year I really don’t care if he keeps setting strike out records.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'm finding it harder and harder to talk to Andrew_G
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Speaking of memes, I've been meaning to post this
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 12:25 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
That's a rec.
Where did you find the blank? I’ve been looking for one of those.
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by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
This site will even host it for you (not sure how long though).
http://karolinagames.com/horatio/
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Can I use this as an excuse to repost my Garrett Atkins one?
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Can't access Dropbox at work.
Grrrrrrrr
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Let's try this....
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Six teams interested in Koji.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/12/six-teams-interested-in-koji-uehara.html
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 12:31 PM EST reply actions
With DH gone
we really need to bring Koji back, no?
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I want to say yes
but I don’t know if we need him badly enough for a multi-year deal. maybe one with an option
I'd go team option
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Yea I noticed.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
If he gets a multiyear deal...
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
reynolds fun fact...
while his career road OPS is quite a bit lower than his career home OPS, he hit 61 HRs in AZ and 60 on the road.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
When he hits them they go.
He doesn’t hit many fence scrapers.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Since I know he's busy being a busy busy man and not around to hear the O's news
I emailed James F to tell him about the trade. Anyone want to guess what his response was?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
"Sigh" or "Fuck!"
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
some variation of Fuck! or Motherfucker!?
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 6, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
maybe
“We’re so goddamn fucking stupid!”
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
All very good guesses
But the answer is, “For fucking fuck’s sake.”
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Two points for creative use of adverbs, negative one point for predictability
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
adverbs? adjective-noun combination!
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Also Andrew, I'm disappointed that you'd think James would use an exclamation point.
that would imply some kind of surprise on his part, when James is pretty much always waiting for the next stupid thing the Orioles do.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
you're right
his posts always read like a defeated sonuvabitch puffing on a cigarette in february complaining about the cold. And I mean that in a very, very good way.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
depends...
feel me, counselor?
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-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 6, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Meh. Loney has a slick glove
but doesn’t have the pop for first base.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
So have y'all heard of espnW?
ESPN just for the ladies! Should I be insulted by this? I can’t figure it out.
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Get them all fired, Stacey.
You have the power.
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by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on the content i think
More attention on women’s pro and college sports can’t be a bad thing, and content like that is probably always going to get lost on the main ESPN site. If its a dumbed down version normal sports stories, then yeah, but insulted.
I gave it a look
And it does appear to focus more on women’s sports, which is fine. But every single writer on the site is female and a bunch of the columns aren’t about women at all, just written by women. My Twitter buddy Amanda Rykoff is one of the writers and she just wrote a pretty good blog on her first impressions of the winter meetings, but you wouldn’t see it if you’re not on espnW.
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The NL West is the gift that keeps on giving.
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by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
the circle of life
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 6, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
i don't like this trade
I don’t mind losing Mickokio, but Hernandez will be a valuable bullpen piece for several seasons. Reynolds’ HR are seductive no doubt. But his OPS+ has been 98 and 96 two out of the last three years. Not surprisingly, his wRC+ (designed to measure a player’s overall offensive contributions) is decidedly average in those years as well (100 and 103, wRC+ park and league weighted like OPS+). His glove isn’t good (-5.9 UZR/150 for his career, again reinforcing my gripe about Andy’s lack of ability to evaluate defense). I don’t mind acquiring a bat for relief help, but get someone fucking good. I’m not saying HRs aren’t important but his overall offensive contributions isn’t impressive at all. Right now, I see Mark Reynolds and see a better version of Tony Fucking Batista.
Your mother.
Didn't he make an all-star team for us?
Wham!
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Dec 6, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Tony fucking Batista
Like Reynolds, we acquired Batista for his age 27 season. And like Reynolds, Batista had a history of putting up good numbers (he was a four win player in 1999) by putting up a lot of HRs with a lot of SOs. Batista managed to put one OK season before sucking bad. I see the same type of projection for Reynolds while Hernandez puts in several season of strong relief work. Ugh, fucking Andy MacPhail.
Your mother.
At least Reynolds walks some
I thought of the Batista comparison too, and with guys like that there’s a pretty fine line between the power justifying their other deficiencies and just being terrible. Reynolds’s walks at least give him a little bit of room for error. If Batista hit .198 his OBP would have been about .203; Reynolds managed .320.
by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Dec 6, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
That said
I do worry that the “real” Reynolds is going to be closer to the .198/.320 version than the .260/.350 version.
by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Dec 6, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yea. Reynolds BABIP was also way down this year.
BABIPs of .378/.323/.338/.257. I think we can expect a bit of a rebound this year. His career OBP is .334. Not great, but I’ll take it for now.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
I think this is the point
I don’t mind acquiring a bat for relief help, but get someone fucking good.
If it was someone fucking good you couldn’t have them for relief help.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I dunno man
You wouldn’t get anyone better for David freakin Hernandez. He just isn’t that good. At least now we’ve got two guys that hit homeruns sitting behind two guys (if Roberts can stay healthy) that get on base.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
You mean two rally killers.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
You wouldn’t get anyone better for David freakin Hernandez.
That’s true but I much rather have DH than Reynolds.
Your mother.
Why?
Hernandez wasn’t even good last year and still thinks he’s a starter
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
he has a great SO numbers in the minors. he was good as a reliever last year. i think he can keep it up with potential upside. and it’s irrelevant what he thinks. madonna think she’s a great actress. who gives a fuck.
Your mother.
Who cares what his numbers in the minors are?
If he can’t replicate in the majors, it means nothing. His numbers in the majors haven’t even come close to matching his numbers in the minors. Doesn’t K as many guys and walks more.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
As a reliever,
he has a K/9 over 10 and a BB/9 around 3.2. Small sample size, etc., but still.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
good grief, he's barely been in the majors!
in that case, the minors isn’t a bad place to look to some sort of educated guess about his future.
Your mother.
Please give us the highlights
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Talking points from Zrebiec
DH wants to start
They wanted to hold to Hernandez, but “They feel like it was a deal they had to make.” There are no questions about his power.
Adrian Beltre does not want to play in BAL. Reynolds was the best option out there.
Landing Reynolds make it more likely they keep Izzy because the O’s are more willing to put up with his crappy offensive production.
Angelos gets blame for everything. Andy feels like Petey has been generous in terms of offering money to spend. Andy MacPhail isn’t the type to overpay.
O’s are trying to resign Koji. 1 year and an option is current offer. Kevin Gregg is being pursued. Meeting with Sherrill’s agents this week.
They don’t have much offer to get Bartlett.
Your mother.
Per Buster Olney
Adrian Beltre wants 5 years, $70M plus.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Wellllll....
we could convert Reynolds to 1B (his bat/glove play a lot better over there) and then sign Beltre to play 3B!
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 6, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
It's just money and a draft pick...
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Yeah...
I was trying to draw a comparison to our acquisitions last year (Atkins as the 3B that moved to first and Miggy as the other FA 3b), but it wasn’t particularly obvious.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 6, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yep....not worth it
The sad thing is, he’s going to get that from somebody even though he’s not remotely worth it.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Interesting, who knows how accurate it is considering the source
but Heyman’s Winter Meetings article has the Orioles as one of the final 4 teams in on Werth
I'm sure we were laying in the weeds.
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by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
from Rosenthal
Source: #Diamondbacks sign Melvin Mora. #MLB
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Good for him.
He has kids to feed.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Sickels has his preliminary O's prospect list up.
Check it out and see if he’s missed anybody, here.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Yeah, I assume so.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Sickels just said he's removing Mickolio (obviously)
and adding Snyder. Which makes it sound like he wasn’t overlooking Snyder but intentionally left him off.
sort of surprised...
eddie gamboa?
how about tyler townsend or kipp schutz?
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
Eh Schutz was 22 at Short Season A
he’d have to explode this year to probably be worth talking about.
I was going to join and mention Gamboa if he wasn't there.
Saw him in Frederick once, liked him, and he’s been pretty good in the minors, if nothing special.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Wow.
That’s not encouraging. Not that I was still holding out much hope for him.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Haha! He just responded:
Ok, drop Cornholio in favor of Snyder.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
I was actually pleasantly surprised
There are some names on there that aren’t bad. It seems like there are the first 2, some B-ish prospects and a slew of C+ prospects. It just seems like a strange distribution.
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
Ozzie Guillen on Jayson Werth's contract:
“I wish I was his agent. Or his wife.”
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I love Ozzie and his quotes
"If people don't want to come out to the ballpark, how are you going to stop them?" Yogi Berra
Phillies offered Werth 4/63
Still more than Dunn
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I wish that someone would teach Buster Olney how to use the Twitter
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Like someone (I forget who) once said
I don’t think Twitter and Buster Olney understand each other.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
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