Mark Reynolds traded to the Orioles for David Hernandez and Kam Mickolio
by Stacey on Dec 6, 2010 12:20 PM EST
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PrintPer Dan Connolly, the deal is done. Mark Reynolds is now an Oriole, traded to Baltimore for relief pitchers David Hernandez and Kam Mickolio. That solves the 3B problem for next year (and possibly through 2013) and gives Josh Bell the time he needs to mature in AAA.
Thoughts on the return for Arizona? I haven't had much time to process it, so expect more from me later. But it's definitely preferable to Chris Tillman. Mickolio has had his troubles but both he and Hernandez are young power arms, so it does make me think twice.
Mark Reynolds career stats:
| Year | Age | Tm | G | PA | AB | H | 2B | 3B | HR | BB | SO | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2007 | 23 | ARI | 111 | 414 | 366 | 102 | 20 | 4 | 17 | 37 | 129 | .279 | .349 | .495 | .843 |
| 2008 | 24 | ARI | 152 | 613 | 539 | 129 | 28 | 3 | 28 | 64 | 204 | .239 | .320 | .458 | .779 |
| 2009 | 25 | ARI | 155 | 662 | 578 | 150 | 30 | 1 | 44 | 76 | 223 | .260 | .349 | .543 | .892 |
| 2010 | 26 | ARI | 145 | 596 | 499 | 99 | 17 | 2 | 32 | 83 | 211 | .198 | .320 | .433 | .753 |
| 4 Seasons | 563 | 2285 | 1982 | 480 | 95 | 10 | 121 | 260 | 767 | .242 | .334 | .483 | .817 | ||
| 162 Game Avg. | 162 | 657 | 570 | 138 | 27 | 3 | 35 | 75 | 221 | .242 | .334 | .483 | .817 | ||
Update, 12:52 PM: A quote from David Hernandez, from Orioles Insider:
"I'll have a chance to play closer to home, but I always thought I'd be in Baltimore for years to come. It just didn't work out that way. I'll miss all the friends I made there, the guys in the clubhouse. The organization did some good things for me. I thought I was part of the future there, but somebody has to go to make improvements. You can't keep everybody. I'm not bitter at all. I appreciate the organization and the city and there's always a chance I can go back."
Update, 3:19 PM: The Orioles have officially announced the trade via press release. Here is part of it:
The Orioles today announced that they have acquired 3B MARK REYNOLDS and a player to be named later or cash from the Arizona Diamondbacks in exchange for RHP DAVID HERNANDEZ and RHP KAM MICKOLIO.
Reynolds, 27, has hit at least 28 home runs, driven in 85 runs and appeared in 145 games in each of the last three seasons, including a career-high 44 home runs and 102 RBI in 2009. Reynolds has homered an average of once every 16.4 at-bats in his four-year major league career, a total of 121 times in 1,982 at-bats.
Reynolds has also increased his walk total in each of his four major league seasons, from 37 in 2007 to 83 last year. The right-handed hitter owns a career .380 on-base percentage and .528 slugging percentage against left-handed pitching.
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My bad to Dave Tucker
I didn’t see his fan post before I put this up.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
ok
cant complain too much here, look at it as an improved tony batista, except this guy will probably actually hit 40 hr and bat .240………hey its better than josh bell hitting .220 and hitting 10 hrs!
His average
Has steadily declined and the 30+ hr threat is much mitigated by his K%… i’m not sure I care for this move. Contact hitters and a strong bullpen are more effective than a big HR bat
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by HansonManCrush on Dec 6, 2010 12:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
actually
his average has only decreased from 2009 to 2010, and a lot of that can be contributed to his BABIP, which was 66 points lower in 2010 than his career average.
And besides, batting average really isn’t important, you care more about OBP and walks. Reynolds actually got more walks than Adam Dunn last year.
exactly!
This is almost the same player as adam dunn. Except this guy can play a little leather in the hot corner. I think we made out in this move, sad to see hernandez leave but kam doesnt bother me at all. Basically we gave up hernandez for a 40 hr hitting 3b.
Almost the same player as Adam Dunn?
That’s kind of a stretch.
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I'm almost as attractive as brad pitt
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I am Brad Pitt
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
He K's more, BB's less and has a little less power than Dunn.
so yeah, almost the same. Although I do think it’s a decent trade for us.
he actually walked more than Dunn last year
in fewer plate appearances, too.
i was speaking over their career
Dunn has averaged about 16% BB rate over his career, while Reynolds is more like 11%
his has been steadily improving though
gone up every season of his career.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
yes, all true,
but it’s still not at Dunn’s level, except for last season, when his walks started to drop.
ahh, okay
I think you’re right on that one.
We neeeeeeeeded a legit 30+ HR guy and a 3B. We got both.
Ryan Howard strikes out 199 times like every season and Adam Dunn struck out 199 times just this last year. If he hits 40+ homers in OPACY I’ll take his 200 Ks.
"Now let's quit talkin' about it and get it started."
--Buck Showalter
Well ... if he hit 40+ IN Camden he'd probably hit 60+ on the year
but you know what I meant. If he hits 40+ on the season, aided by playing half his games in Camden Yards.
"Now let's quit talkin' about it and get it started."
--Buck Showalter
Olney has opined
that Reynolds would hit 50 HR in OPACY, fwiw.
I tried to fit some more acronyms into this comment, but drew the line at 4, btw.
"If you’re not in with the Orioles, then you can ply your trade somewhere else." - Buck Showalter
My favorite new acronym? TOOTBLAN.
Thrown Out On The Basepaths Like A Nincompoop.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
50 HR's in 81 games?
I’ll take it!
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
I'm not blown away but DH is replacable
The real part of this that i’m wondering about is Josh Bell. To me this is a sign that they aren’t sure about him going forward, although i doubt Reynolds ages well.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
Maybe seeing Reynolds as a DH in 2 years?
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Its possible
Or Bell as not panning out and this would buy time to find another option
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Dec 6, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
let Bell DH
and LUUUKE play first… and that solves the position players problem, although I don’t know if Bell is going to be consistent enough to DH this season.
What up?
If the Orioles don’t think Bells bat plays at third, I don’t know why they’d want to let him DH.
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 6, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Have you watched Bell hit?
The only person I’d want to see DHing less than Bell is Cesar
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
agreed
Bell actually looked worlds better with the glove than with the bat at the end of last year
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Josh Bell needs a year in AAA.
He shouldn’t have been brought up last season. If the Orioles are smart, they’ll start him in AAA next season. When he’s ready, Reynolds can be moved. He’s not in the NL anymore, so there’s another option, we can put him at first, DH, or maybe trade him.
Here’s what I’m curious about. Let’s say that when Bell comes up, Reimold and Pie have become good players and Scott is still good. What do you do? Between left, first, DH, and third, you have four positions for five guys. Scott will start getting up there in age, though.
You're saying what happens if we have pleasant to great surprise seasons from 5 players?
A) That won’t happen…
B) That won’t happen
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by arlingtonOsFan on Dec 6, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
How would Luke Scott be a surprise?
Reimold wouldn’t, either, because scouts and analysts were pretty confident in him to be a decent player before last season, and some think he can still rebound. Pie would be a surprise, admittedly, and Bell won’t, because by then we’d have an idea of how good he can be.
probability
say Scott has an 80% chance of still being good, Riemold has a 70% chance of being good, Pie has a 60% chance, Bell has a 60% chance, and Reynolds has an 80% chance. (I think this is really optimistic). the chance that all 5 of these happen is 16%. it’s unlikely, and anyway, if it does happen, it’s a headache that any GM would love to have. the Rays are a great example of this – they’ve had amazing depth at SP for the past few years, which allowed them to absorb the implosion of Kazmir and Sonnanstine with basically no repercussions (and they still have promising guys in the upper minors).
poor Kazmir
always loved that guy. I give Bell about a 70% chance of being good. he’s got a lot of raw power in that frame and a decent glove.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
So did I. Kazmir was one of my favorite young pitchers in baseball, partly because the Mets were stupid enough to trade him.
And I’ll still say the Mets were stupid to trade him. Why would you give away a potential star pitcher for a mediocre veteran?
32 HR 85 RBI
In his worst year of career he would have lead the Orioles in both…Ahead of Luke and Ty who had Career Years…
true, but RBI are dumb
and Luke has a much better career OBP
Good Trade
Kam is 26 and hasn’t cracked our top notch bullpen. Really liked Hernandez but to give up a reliever for player of Reynolds caliber is a steal. Just glad Tillman wasn’t involved.
Wants to have a Bromance like Luke Scott and Felix Pie.
by Are you there Wieters? It's me, Mike. on Dec 6, 2010 12:44 PM EST reply actions
BTW
Reynolds had an injury plagued year, played with a quad injury early, concussion and wrist injury in August and on. If he bounces back to ’09 form this is a steal, this trade is growing on me.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
Sigh
Sad to see DH go, but if this guy really can hit homers I can get over it.
At least we got someone good at what he does. Unfortunately its striking out..
It's also hitting home runs
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and let the jokes begin...
bigleaguestew: RT @SI_JoeLemire: Over/under on Mark Reynolds strikeouts next year with #Orioles while facing AL East power pitchers is set at 235.
It's not like the NL West doesn't have pitching too
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 6, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
yeah really
Giants and Padres anyone? those are two filthy lineups. Dodgers have some good power arms too.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention Jiminez, Kershaw, Billingsley, etc...
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Reading comp. fail. I see you added the Dodgers at the end, now.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
NL West has better pitching than the AL East.
No credit is ever given to the NL pitchers. I think his strikeout number stays right around 200.
Ehhhh
There’s pretty good reason for the skepticism about NL pitchers since, you know, they pitch against NL lineups which have an auto-out every 9 batters.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
some of them have multiple auto-outs
like Pedro Feliz! Or Nyjer Morgan!
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
haha
but we had Izturis, so I wasn’t going to bring that up.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
by O'sFan21 on Dec 6, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
izturis > a pitcher batting
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
heh
I actually think a guy like Micah Owings could out hit Maximum Izturis.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Definitely
certainly would have more power
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
No way!
Cliff Lee hit better than Izzy during the WS. Small sample size, but not at all a reach.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
And AL East pitchers have an auto-out anytime they face Max-Izzy....
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Story updated to include a quote from D. Hernandez.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I was wondering who said that
Kam or Dave
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
yeah after I hit publish I realized I didn't say
I edited it again to be clear.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Classy guy
Great quote from DH.
Dang. I’ll really miss the guy.
by browsermetrics on Dec 6, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
He made it sound like he'd like to play here again.
And for that, I’d like to see him in an Orioles uniform again, too, provided that he turns into a solid reliever.
I think we all see DH as a bullpen guy at this point, right?
One cliche i’ve generally agreed with is anytime you can turn a bullpen arm into an everyday player, you do it. Sure, this might be 2 relievers, but who knows if Kam could even crack the bullpen this year? I like him, and I like DH as well, but if Reynolds can put up 35+ HR’s consistently i’ll take it. There are plenty of other guys in the minors I could see potentially becoming decent relievers. There arent many players down there I see hitting 40 bombs, though.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
yes, but Reynolds isn't good
while I think DH will be at least a good reliever if not a great one.
Your mother.
First comment (that was rec'ed) on AZ snakepit
Kevin Towers you are one stupid mofo.
Nice
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
what kind of contract is DH locked into"?
i already think he wants to come back!
Mike Bordick redux?
another undervalued player who will man our hot corner for a short term rental that heads right back to Bmore?
As for his contract, it looks like he was signed to a 1 year deal in March. I dont know for sure, but he might be available after this season.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
no he's got like 4 or 5 years of team control left
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Dec 6, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
DH is under team control until 2015
per B-R: Service Time (01/2010): 0.105, Arb Eligible: 2013, Free Agent: 2016
Reynolds: $5M for ’11, $7.5 ’12, $11M option/$500k buyout or Arb-3 for ’13.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
the above stat box doesn't have his wRC+
2008 – 103
2009 – 131
2010 – 100
That’s two years of average offensive contributions in 2 out of last 3 years. HRs are great but don’t get over seduced by them.
Your mother.
yeah well there are only so many stats you can fit into the share box on baseball-reference.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Right but if I want to use that feature on B-R
I can’t put in RC+ unless I go to an entirely different table that doesn’t have all of his other stats, that’s all.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I guess it comes down to do you think '09 was an aberation
Since he was injured for a fair amount of ‘10. I think he’ll be somewhere between.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Dec 6, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
i think his true talent is somewhere in between
cause his BABIP was about 60 points below his career avg
According to Nick Piecoro, a D-Backs beat writer
they’ll looking to use him as a setup guy for the FA closer they hope to sign. Sounds like the O’s aren’t the only scred up team.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I will miss David Hernandez’s soft spoken, thinking man’s approach to the game. He could become another Curt Schilling but only time will tell on that.
The good news for Os fans is that we have a TEAM now. We have a young, solid TEAM, and a solid manager — and it’s damn exciting.
This is very distracting for a Monday at work.
this is true
If hes a 2 WAR player, he’s replacing a below replacement player so it adds even more. Now to figure out SS and we would have no more black holes on the team.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Dec 6, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
He wasn't the reason we were a losing team last year
I’ll agree with that, but if he continues decline he wont be passable for long.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Dec 6, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
What exactly makes you think DH has a "thinking man's approach to the game"?
And also what’s with the capitalized “Team” you constantly use?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I think he's happy someone noticed the Team thing.
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by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
I noticed it a while ago
and always found it annoying.
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Being annoying ...
… now there is a novel concept.
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Soft spoken and Curt Shilling in the same sentence
Hi-larious.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Sigh
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by James F on Dec 6, 2010 1:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
you wanted us to sign crawford right?
Or what moves did you want us to make?
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Dec 6, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
I would lose all respect for anybody that thinks thats a good idea
Its even more insane than howards contract…never thought i would say that
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Dec 6, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Not exactly...
…I said that Crawford is a good enough player to be worth paying big money to. And I still firmly believe he will be.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
really? relievers are fungible
do you think Reynolds is gonna flatline or something?
If the Orioles sign a Type A reliever...
…this move will no longer look good.
Librarians are hiding something
Hopefully Type A relievers weren't in the picture before or after
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Dec 6, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
David Pinto on the trade
Basically, Reynolds “lost the middle of the strike zone.” If he gains his batting average back, he’ll be a good pick up.
Your mother.
apparently Reynolds is a gritty type hard worker too
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Dec 6, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Short possibilty
Astros looking to shed more guys, one of them Jeff Keppinger.
“Keppinger, who hit .288/.351/.393 in 575 plate appearances could be attractive to teams looking for a middle infielder as he is capable of playing short as well and made $1.15 million in 2010.”
Could he be useful?
Keppinger is fairly young too, right?
Astros are apparently looking for left field help. We have plenty of outfielders, but I’m not sure that I’m ready to part with one yet.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
angle...
totally an ed wade outfielder.
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-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
I'd be careful with Ed Wade
he thinks he’s on a hot streak.
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
He is 30.
I thought he was younger.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yea I just realized that.
I confused him with Manzella I guess.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Get em in Arizona DH!
This trade makes me sad but, it’s growing no me. Reynolds just needs to give us a .350 OBP and 35 HR and I’ll be satisfied.
by LoveForTheGame13 on Dec 6, 2010 1:30 PM EST reply actions
well he hasn't put up a .350 OBP yet in his career,
so i wouldn’t get too carried away with that number
.349 twice, and his walks have gone up every year
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
so have his K's
not saying its not possible, just that i would set his projection a little lower
Well, his BB/K keeps going up
0.29, 0.31, 0.34, 0.39 for his 4 years.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
I like this move.
Kam has been essentially useless and getting a proven power hitter for one reliever is a pretty damn good deal. OPACY is a hitters park and I imagine he’ll do very well here.
Hernandez has been very classy about this, and I wish him well in Arizona.
Where are my shoelaces?
Keith Law posted on Reynolds on Insider
Alas I’m not a member.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Essentially says that Arizona sold low on Reynolds who should be better than he showed in 2011.
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 6, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
basically
the D-Backs traded Reynolds at the absolute nadir of his value. Here’s the take away.
He’s not a good defensive third baseman and never will be. But he’s a more valuable player than he showed in 2010, when his batting average on balls in play was more than 100 points below his career average through 2009; if he just gets that half of that back — odds are he’ll get more — he’ll be useful and will have more trade value next winter than he did in this one.
I don’t have a problem with that. I think Reynolds can be “useful” in 2011. He won’t be good but he can certainly be useful.
Your mother.
I think he could certainly be good
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
David Hernandez
is a class act. Sorry we don’t get to see you mature into a quality player as an Oriole, DH.
But I’m glad we made this deal. It’s a chance we needed to take. Let’s hope it pans out. And hey, at Crowley won’t be Reynolds’ hitting coach.
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Kam's becoming a joke
I’m glad he’s out of the system. Hernandez? a set-up man at best. let him go, that’s all he’ll ever be. that being said, he’s a pretty cool guy, it was fun while it lasted DH.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
I still can't believe the
Diamondbacks wanted David Hernandez over Chris Tillman, as was reported.
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
I know!
he’s a nice setup guy but that’s as high as the ceiling goes IMO. Tillman could be a nice 3 starter somewhere down the road assuming our 1 is Matusz and our 2 is Britton.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe we are overvaluing Tillman?
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think there are some concerns
lost a few mph off his fastball, and obviously performing badly at the ML level, even considering how young he is, hasn’t exactly raised his stock. also, the DBacks had the worst bullpen in the majors, and supposedly Towers thinks they can contend next year.
From what I've read and seen, Hernandez has the makings of a possible closer.
I think I’d rate the odds of that happening as better than the odds of Tillman becoming a front line (i.e. a #1 thru #3) starter.
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I like it
I like DH and I think he’ll do well in ARI. Mickolio was OK. I think it’s a fair trade, but O’s are taking a risk that Reynolds won’t K 240 times next year. He’s gonna like that short porch, but he’s not gonna like the AL East pitchers.
If he doesn’t work out, there’s always Bell and Waring.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
the NL West has quality pitchers too
it’s not a huge drop off from the AL East.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
It's arguably better than the AL East pitching
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 6, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
indeed
Giants pitching staff = flat out better than any other staff in the game.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
I'd probably take the Phillies staff
But SF is right there, SD has a very good pitching and both Colorado and LAD have better than average pitching.
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 6, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know
with the way Lincecum came back in the playoffs I give the slight edge to San Fran. Bumgarner looked very good at the end of the year as well
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
A top 3 of Halladay, Oswalt and Hamels is very tough to beat. I’m jealous of both staffs.
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 6, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
it’s really just a game of pick your poison.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
The Padres and Giants staff top to bottom
are probably the two best in baseball.
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
Pretty hard to make that argument when they're pitching against the NL West lineups.
And even outside of the NL West they’re facing a pitcher 3 times a game.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
True, you can't just look at ERAs
But if you look at the rotations, the NL West stacks up pretty well to the AL East in terms of pitching.
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 6, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
They've got some nice arms.
I just don’t know how nice they’d look facing BOS, NYY, and TBR half their starts each year.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
not to mention, LA, San Fran, and especially San Diego
are extreme pitcher’s parks
Just think of it this way with Reynolds
We kept Jack Cust and he magically lost four years of age, and has become a third baseman, and has more power.
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
Hahaha
I was wondering if Cust was in our backup plans.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
Is SBN running super super slow for anyone else?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Occasionally a comment takes a long time to post
and a little earlier i couldn’t get to the site at all. Seems ok now though.
D-backs signed melvin mora...
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/12/diamondbacks-sign-melvin-mora.html
How pissed are D-backs fans?
What up?
They're pretty melmortified
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
and he's the former goalie for the Venezuelan national soccer team?
MelMo fun facts of the day
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
he's a playoff vet
he’s a beast bunter, and his glares? well don’t get me started on his glares.
What up?
by snakethejake on Dec 6, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
I hate when i'm just sitting in the Open Thread when a story worthy of its own post breaks
and I forget to check for a thread like this. Its like everyone left the room and didn’t tell me.
Yeah, this happens to me all the time.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Story of my life. Sheeee-it.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
I have an idea...
…let’s start an organization called the Reynolds K Club. We can post his season K count in the sidebar. Wear Reynolds T-Shirts and Jerseys with “Reynolds” and a big “K” where his number should be. Show up to games and hold up Big K Signs when he comes up to bat. Anybody have some more ideas?
Should look into corporate sponsership ...
… if this happens.
Wear aluminum hats or something.
Commenting on allegations on the use of torture against terrorost suspects: "If hooking up one raghead terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Canadian life, then I have only three things to say:
Red is positive, black is negative, and make sure his nuts are wet"
Don Cherry
anybody else notice
the 24 steals when he was healthy? that’s an aspect of his game I never knew about.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
he's actually pretty athletic
his range numbers are decent for a 3rd baseman. all the negative numbers come from his errors (including that one year where he had a fielding percentage below .900).
And trade for a player with a lot of BB's and overlooking all the K's and bad BA?
I’m not following this one
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Dec 6, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Ahhh
I dont entirely agree, but i see what you are saying.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Dec 6, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
But he gave up essentially 2 RP pitchers to get him (1 of which may not even be a ML RP). That seems 21 century to me.
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 6, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
A good bullpen guy can be a 1 win player
I think in the long run, DH will outproduce Reynolds but I guess we’ll see.
Your mother.
turning bullpen arms into everyday players:
20th century stuff
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
So, if no more positional player moves are made
and let’s just assume that whoever is playing shortstop will bat ninth, anybody want to take a crack at what our lineup will look like?
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
1.) B rob
2.) Nick
3.) Luke
4.) Reynolds
5.) Jones
6.) Wieters
7.) Pie
8.) Reimold
9.) Izturis/Hardy/Bartlett*
*a man can dream can’t he?
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Reynolds bats in the three hole?
I don’t like it.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Have you seen Lukes Avg with RISP
i Don’t like that
by Sno Alchemist on Dec 6, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds good!
Hopefully AJ has a little uptick in the OBP this year. Reynolds walks quite a bit, which is a bonus but the K’s will never go down.
Absolutely not
Jones shouldn’t even be batting 5th. I’d rather Scott hit there.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
As long as Nick is batting second
I’m okay with the line up.
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
Nick batting Second
The 1 problem i have with this is he’s our best hitter, and has had 2 years with 100+ RBI…If we had a proven RBI man 3rd..then i don’t mind
by Sno Alchemist on Dec 6, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
he needs to get on for Reynolds/Luke
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
He needs to be batting 2nd because of his high OBP
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
is .320 that high?
I mean it’s high when your BA is .200 but it’s just mediocre overall right? If he hits 2nd, then there’s gonna be a lot of strikeout with Roberts on 1st or 2nd.
Yeah, my bad if that wasn't clear
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
How about the O's go for a leadoff Hitter
Have Roberts 2nd and Nick 3rd
by Sno Alchemist on Dec 6, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
IDK someone like Juan Pierre
Nolan start in AAA with Pie on the Bench
by Sno Alchemist on Dec 6, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
You'd want to trade for a 33 y.o. Juan Pierre with one season left on his contract?
Pass. That only weakens this team long term.
It doesnt have to be Pierre
Just someone with his skill set…I see Roberts stolen bases going down and better suited batting second with all his doubles and his high OBP…same reason why ppl want Nick second for.
by Sno Alchemist on Dec 6, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
No...he doesn't NEED to
He should be batting ahead of anyone who is going to knock him in. I’d be more than happy with him batting 3rd if Reynolds is batting behind him.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
This has the potential to not be entirely terrible.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
That hasn't happened here
Are you talking about people on the Twitter? Those people tend to be nutters.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Also full of nutters.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
So with the Jays trading Marcum to Milwaukee
and they end up not getting Greinke (skeptical) they really didn’t take a step forward, did they?
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
Brett Lawrie
a second base prospect from Canada, who was one of the top prospects in the Brewers organization. Which at this point is still considered one of the deeper organizations in Baseball.
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
I wonder if Andy considered the BABIP fluctuations when analyzing Reynolds
somehow I doubt it.
Really?
I don’t know much weight he gave them, but to say he never even looked at them seems ridiculous.
he definitely "looked" at them
it’s a different story as to whether he listens to them.
Your mother.
I like the deal
but I am really not looking forward to watching reynolds strike out for the next 2-3 years. the home runs will help, sure, but the 5-6 strikeouts for every one of those will sure be difficult.
"This club is not a good club." --Jim Palmer
fangraphs
Matt Klaassen posted his review of deal. Basically, he says it’s a fair trade on both sides. Mediocrity for mediocrity type of trade.
Your mother.
So, all we have gotten back from the Bedard trade
-Adam Jones
-Josh Bell
-Chris Tillman
-Mark Reynolds
What am I missing?
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
Is he back with the club?
"Tragedy is what happens to me. Comedy is what happens to you." -Mel Brooks
He was returned almost immediately I thought.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Tony Butler!
I thought he could have actually been a sleeper in that trade. So much for that.
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 6, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't count Reynolds
DH was probably 90% of what we’re giving up for him.
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 6, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
My initial reaction to this was, "Well, we didn't give up Tillman."
I’ll miss Hernandez, but I don’t mind trading him or Kam for Reynolds. Then when I was looking at Reynolds’s B-R page I saw that he went to UVA. Never mind, best move the Orioles made in the last decade.
what's the likelihood the O's will pick up Reynolds' option in 2013?
I’m saying very unlikely.
Your mother.
he'd have to be doing pretty well at that point
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I'd think its very unlikely
In the event that we still want Reynolds in 2013, i’d think its more likely we’d put together an extension in 2012 for a few years but less money per year.
I would think that decision relies on the development of Josh Bell.
If Bell improves like we all hope, than Reynolds would be traded or bought out. If Bell does not progress, The O’s may have to keep Reynolds while we look for a new option at 3rd.
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New Poster, Love the Deal!
Hello all, I am a grad student in NC and have been reading this site daily for the last two years and finally signed up and decided to post. I love the deal! Have read on twitter that he isn’t happy to be coming to Baltimore though, anyone else heard that?
Take a number...
that said, he’s getting paid the same about of dough to do his thing out here, so I would hope he’d come to accept the trade and fear the wrath of the Showalter for any lolly-gagging.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 6, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
as long as...
he doesn’t call b’more a horseshit town, we cool.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
If he can get his OPS back over 850, he can call Bmore whatever he likes and we cool.
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 6, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
so he's unhappy
about going from a last place NL West team to a last place AL East team? seems like an upgrade to me, though I’m splitting hairs.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
who you be happy if the orioles just acquired you?
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
sure...
if i was a middle reliver, b/c i’d be making bank!
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
if it meant getting out of Arizona
then sure, I’d at least be as happy as I was before.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be bummed...
…because I would think the Dbacks are closer to the playoffs than the Orioles (primarily based on division).
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
are they really?
the Giants look to have that thing locked up for awhile with that pitching and Posey. Rockies ain’t half bad with all of their key players hitting their primes, Padres looked great for awhile last year, I’d say that the D-backs have just as good of a chance to make the playoffs over the next couple of years as the Os.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Not that close
Especially with the odd ZOMG VETRANS! moves Kevin Towers has started making
Bad doormat! No stock options!
MELMO!
aren’t you lucky!
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Pass de hemlock on de left hand side
We also got Geoff Blum!
The weird thing is that both Mora and Blum are multi-year, which is basically just setting money on fire.
We do have a few 3B prospects coming up in the next few years though…
Y’all better take care of Fatburger (better nickname than “The Sheriff”, which Mark Grace gave him) y’hear?
Bad doormat! No stock options!
I'd be happy if the Orioles acquired me.
But then I’ve lived around Baltimore my whole live, and working for the Orioles would pretty much constitute my dream job.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I'm going to hold it against Reynolds that he wasn't an Orioles fan growing up
:)
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
You should
He went to high school in Virginia Beach, that’s Oriole territory!
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 6, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome to the madhouse.
I guess you already know what you’re getting into if you’ve been lurking for a while. I hope you continue to enjoy your stay!
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
welcome to CC!
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
So here's where I think I'll end up on this thing
totally ambivalent. Reynolds is just another stopgap player, and we didn’t give up anything I’ll really miss for him…but for the Orioles to “win” the trade one of two unlikely things has to happen. Either Reynolds needs to become a cornerstone type piece, or he needs to rebound and the let the Orioles sell high on him.
So I don’t hate it. It’s probably the best stopgap option we had for third, and it lets Bell sit in AAA until he proves ready. But I certainly don’t like the deal, either, since Mark Reynolds is not a great player.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
well, we *do*
but we don’t need to give up crap for stopgap players is the sticking point.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
i just mean you need someone to play there
since it ain’t gonna be a long term fix, it pretty much is required to be a stopgapper
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
get someone with little service and develop a player
minor league free agent, rule 5 guy.
Your mother.
but at least with reynolds you know he can stick for the year
you don’t want to run out a guy everyday who you may very well have to release by June (ahem….coughcoughfatkinscoughcough…ahem) and then be scrambling mid-season to figure something out.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
and...
for the cost of wigginton and atkins, the o’s are getting a guy who will likely outproduce both.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
im not sure what you're saying
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
just that...
for all the guys last year (heck, throw in tejada, too) that were absolute stopgaps, they weren’t that cheap and they didn’t really produce. reynolds ought to bring some stability to an infield corner and provides value by comparison.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
that's what i keep thinking to myself
this deal looks GREAT when you start to compare it to things.
Reynolds should be a pretty large upgrade over Tejada and Bell (like a 3 win upgrade).
Reynolds should be a modest upgrade in absolute terms over Hernandez and Mickolio (maybe one win).
Reynolds is a way better option to play third than the guy he is replacing on the hypothetical 2011 roster (Bell).
But just because A is better than B when B is a pile of shit, doesn’t make A gold. Or even pyrite (which I always thought was prettier than it was given credit for).
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
so you release a guy in june
and bring in another replacement level player. It sucks but it’s not the end of the world. and at least, you’ve tried to develop a guy. if that doesn’t work, oh well, you can take these kind of risks on a losing team.
Your mother.
we've tried that
remember the awesomeness that was our shortstop position in 2008? it was a great idea in theory. Luis Hernandez was a young guy, not a great hitter but would at least give us a solid glove at short. well he sucked hitting and fielding, so then we went to Brandon Fahey, a utility guy who at least tried hard. well he also sucked, so then we tried Freddie Bynum, who sucked even more. then we signed Alex Cintron who could hit, but was the worst fielder of the lot. and then finally we got really desperate and traded for Juan Castro, whose .541 OPS and great defense had O’s fans breathing a huge sigh of relief
do we really want to go through that again?
i can deal with that trauma
i mean the musical chairs sucked, but i thought giving the job to luis was the right move. to me, so what if the job changed hands several times. we were losing team. we could have had troy tulowitzki playing there and we would have still been a losing team.
Your mother.
I just don't get this line of thought
Can we never make improvements at all unless they put us over the top? What’s wrong with adding upgrades along the way while you’re biding your time? As Stacey has said many times you don’t go from 65-70 wins to 95-100 wins all at once. As long as you’re not sacrificing long term value for short term value what’s the problem?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Unless you are Tampa Bay.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Eh
True, but I don’t think we should base our organizational development on exceptions to the rule. Also they didn’t waste their years of high draft picks like we did (in addition to having lots of them turn out awesome), so they had a giant head start.
Also it’s not like the Rays were refusing to sign any free agents at all until they were good. They signed mediocre free agent upgrades like Wigginton, Lugo, Travis Lee, and traded for scrubs like Casey Fossum over the years in an attempt at short term upgrades while they waited for the draft picks to pan out. We just don’t remember those shitty moves because they’re good now.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Right. I was just giving an example.
And actually, who is to say that Jones, Wieters, Matusz, Tillman, Arrieta, Britton, Pie/Reimold, etc won’t start putting up the numbers we hope to see and catapault this team to the playoffs next year? It is entirely possible. No one thought the Rays would lose 96 games one year and win 97 the next. Anything is possible.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm trying to keep that in mind.
Even with a great farm system and drafting, you won’t really know if you’re prospects will reach their potential. No one saw the Rays coming in 2008, because no one saw it all coming together like that, plus the bat of Pena. Maybe, just maybe our young guys can do that, too, with Reynolds being the power guy.
do you have any idea
how awesome that would be if we won 97 games this year? I can’t even fathom it.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
I never saw the Orioles put together a .500 season.
Seeing the Redskins make the playoffs after 5-6 record and the Capitals go from the bottom of the conference to division champs doesn’t compare. My mind would be blown.
if it's cheap, all for short term improvements.
overall, i’m for building a long term winner. to do that, you need to develop young players.
Spewing negativity.
Reynolds is 27
He has the potential to be much more than a stopgap IMO.
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
but realistically, how many long term solutions do you have on your ballclub?
At one time?
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Eh
I don’t think our roster looks THAT much different than the TBR roster in 2006. If our prospects develop like theirs did I see very little reason that we couldn’t have a rise like they did and I don’t think this move sacrifices that at all.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I don't know if that's true though
The Rays got production at various points over the years from Dioneer Navarro, Eric Hinske, Bartlett, etc.
And was Carlos Pena really considered a long term solution when they signed him? They kinda lucked into him IMO.
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
the rays (and twins too) usually have a ton of talent on their roster that's under control for several seasons
Pena, nope. But he was cheap!
Spewing negativity.
Eh
go back and look at TB’s roster in the years before 2008 – I really don’t think it’s as stocked with stud prospects with 4-5 years before free agency as you might think. In 2005-2006 I’m not sure their roster was all that different from ours.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
But heck, looking at the Rays today
For starters, I think Friedman is a great GM. He definitely seems smarter than your average AL East GM. However, a few points:
Longoria is obv a long term solution, who was picked 3 overall
David Price is going to be their ace, who was picked 1 overall
Matt Garza was acquired for Delmon Young, who was picked 1 overall
BJ Upton really isn’t all that, and he too was a top 5 pick
Like the Giants, they got a hot hand and hit on first round pick after first round pick. I’m not saying it didn’t require skill, but there’s a chunk of luck involved. Looking at their long term solutions. They have Longoria, and a couple interesting guys, but nobody that strikes fear into my heart, Decent guys to be sure (their versatile LF/2B guy who’s name escapes me – the guy they got for Wigginton!, Upton, Jaso, Rodriguez and Jennings.
I agree that you want to have long term solutions around the field, but it’s not a prereq for a competitive team.
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
it's not prereq
but what bugs me is that we’re spending so much for meaningless wins. reynolds is not cheap. he’s not good. fuck him.
Spewing negativity.
Fair, I just think we evaluate Reynolds differently
Reynolds isn’t guaranteed 1 year of crap like so many of those other guys (and the definition of stopgap).
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Who have we signed that's not cheap?
And also we have a shitload more money than they do, so maybe we don’t need to do it QUITE as much on the cheap?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Pat Burrell
Pretty goddamn amazing how poorly that worked out for them, and yet they persevered.
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it's fair to lump Reynolds in with those guys
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
Reynolds >>>>>> Tejada...
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
I meant this year dude.
What’s the point of rehashing old mistakes?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
those were all (except gonzo) cheap
they were one year deals, if it worked out, good. if not, it’s one year and it’s not going to hurt the team in the long run
I think the problem with Tejada and Atkins
Is that those at bats could have been used on a young player to evaluate if he had anything to contribute to the next competitive Oriole team.
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
what young player?
Bell and Snyder were obviously not ready, although they both were given the chance to play as soon as they proved themselves in AAA
Neither of those guys
I don’t know…taking a chance on a guy like Dan Johnson or Rhyne Hughes. Atkins sucking was entirely predictable. Not only did they waste money on him, they also wasted at bats and a roster spot.
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
but they did take a chance on Rhyne Hughes
Obviously those were bad deals, but they weren’t blocking anyone. They were willing to give any player that showed he could handle AAA a chance.
i think it was pretty clear he couldn't handle the majors,
but your point stands, 14 games is nothing
A guy like Dan Johnson
Hit well in AAA in 2008 (for the Rays), Japan in 2009, and signed a minor league deal with the Rays in January of 2010. Johnson is Pena-esque, and the Orioles signed Atkins, who is Millar-esque.
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
thats what happens when you don't develop
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
yeah, and it's stupid
that’s why i like what Neal Huntington is doing in PIT. Yeah his teams have sucked but at least he’s tried to give young guys a chance to develop rather than wasting money on expensive 1 or 2 win guys.
Your mother.
Who would you get to play 3B?
And have you completely written off Josh Bell?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
don't write off Josh Bell
but for the time being, he needs to be groomed in AAA
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
double agreed
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
NO
he gave me a beautiful memory of that multi-homer game against Cliff Lee! man I was thrilled to be there…really thought it was the turning point for him.
in all seriousness, he should have been left down.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
someone cheaper
i’m not concerned about inbetween wins damn it! So what if we use a replacement player at 3rd? We might lose a couple of wins. Whop de do.
Your mother.
You don't just go from 65 wins to 100 wins
You still have to try to improve and you still have to field a team. Mark Reynolds isn’t the long term answer, but he might be for three years, and if you’re gaining wins from your improving pitching and you’re gaining wins at 1B and SS and hopefully in the OF and at C, it all adds up.
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You don't just go from 65 wins to 100 wins
sure, but it’s about the win cycle. we’re not in the proper stage in the win cycle to worry about 1 or 2 wins. in any case, we had this same discussion last year with tejada and other vets.
Your mother.
We did
Although Tejada and Atkins were garbage signings from the get-go (although Tejada was worse than I thought he’d be). Reynolds is better than them.
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sure
but mark reynolds is not a part of any of that.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Sure, but he's something
to help keep the team afloat. You can’t get a guy at every position right away that’s going to be the future of the organization. So if the only thing the Orioles do this year is sign people like this, Reynolds and D. Lee and such, I’ll be disappointed. But if they do that plus make strides somewhere else for the long term, I’ll be like it’s cool.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
i follow
but I don’t see any areas for long-term growth in the offseason. It’s not like they’re gonna trade Luke Scott for prospects (which they should, but that’s a different show).
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I don't see it either, but a girl's gotta hope.
I’ll save all of my righteous indignation for February. I can’t go through the entire winter that way.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
no reason to be indignant over Reynolds
its just sort of meh, I guess. There is upside though. He bounces back and the Orioles sell high and we’ll look like geniuses!
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
As an individual move, I agree
I was speaking more about however the offseason ends up as a whole. If the entire offseason is Reynolds and D. Lee or whoever, I’ll be annoyed. But until that’s what actually happens I gotta try to keep my spirits up. Otherwise I’ll just be miserable year round.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
optimism
- he’s only 27
- he had a huge year in 2009. Probably a fluke, but there is some ceiling there.
- he draws walks. unlike out machine Tony Batista.
- he dealt with a thumb injury the final two months of 2010, including a wretched September that brought his season stats down.
He’s not a centerpiece but I think there’s a chance he could be more than a stopgap.
by Dingbat Charlie on Dec 6, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
more...
he has decent month by month career splits. few things are more frustrating than acquiring the “slow starter”.
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-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
re:
He’s not a centerpiece but I think there’s a chance he could be more than a stopgap.
Sure. I simply think it’s mostly unlikely. He is, however, untested in the AL East, which is a very different situation from the NL West. He could excel…I’d just be surprised.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
not totally...
az played the al east in interleague one year. he OPS’d over 1.000 against the yanks in about 24 ab. how’s that for a sample size?
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
I've met ladybugs who were bigger than that sample size
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Word up...
…this is not a lot of downside for the potential of significant upside and it fills several needs, most notably the lineup’s lack of power and trouble with raking LHP. Add to that that every other year this guy plays like an All Star…and he’s coming off an off year into a three year’s in Bmore. Boo-yah!
Well, we're not overpaying for him,
It’s a (hopefully) buy-low, sell-high strategy. I like DH, but anytime you can get a league avg position player, with well-above league average potential for a reliever, you take it.
You know what would be awesome?
Having Reynolds and Fielder in the lineup mashing 75-85 bombs between them in 2012.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Until Fielder turns into a giant blueberry and his arms aren't long enough to swing the bat past his body.
I’m starting the “Say No To Prince in 2012” campaign right now.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
No way I want Prince
Give me Prince Fielder! I love fat men who hit home runs!
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that title is not right. It should be
No way! I want Prince!
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Let's eat Grandma
Punctuation saves lives.
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by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Eats, shoots, and leaves.
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by duck on Dec 6, 2010 4:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I read that book.
Strunk and White is the bible, however.
You had it right the first time :)
Prince Fielder’s massive stomach and massive contract would set Baltimore back to the stone age if he ages like his father. Not a risk I’d like AM to take.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
No. I want him.
You will not convince me otherwise.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
The organization's blood will be on your hands.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Prince is really short
Dude is like 5’3" or something. He’s be like Eddie Gaedel.
by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Dec 6, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
He'd
nothing like stupid typos to spoil a good stupid joke.
by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Dec 6, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
haahah I think he's like 5'9"
and if Eddie Gaedel had hit 192 HR in six years with a hitting line of .279/.385/.535 by the age of 26 I’d want him too.
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You've got to think outside the box, though...
Different Prince!
by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Dec 6, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Pujols is a palatable alternative.
Though I fear it would take $30 million / year to get him here.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Might take that much to get Fielder.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think Reynolds hr numbers will increase in the AL east.
Looking at the starting pitchers in the division, they give up a lot of dongs. TB has four guys that gave up 24+. The MFY gave up a ton too. Too bad Vasquez and his 32 is gone.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 2:49 PM EST reply actions
On this:
See how much more favorable OPaCY is for righties than Arizona is? Could be interesting.
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Just got the official press release.
I updated the post to include some information from it, but here it is if you don’t want to refresh:
The Orioles today announced that they have acquired 3B MARK REYNOLDS and a player to be named later or cash from the Arizona Diamondbacks in exchange for RHP DAVID HERNANDEZ and RHP KAM MICKOLIO.
Reynolds, 27, has hit at least 28 home runs, driven in 85 runs and appeared in 145 games in each of the last three seasons, including a career-high 44 home runs and 102 RBI in 2009. Reynolds has homered an average of once every 16.4 at-bats in his four-year major league career, a total of 121 times in 1,982 at-bats.
Reynolds has also increased his walk total in each of his four major league seasons, from 37 in 2007 to 83 last year. The right-handed hitter owns a career .380 on-base percentage and .528 slugging percentage against left-handed pitching.
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PTBNL! YES!
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think actually follows through on PTBNLs
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, who did we get for Bradford
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by James (Lost in Boston) on Dec 6, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I bet Roch Kubatko knows
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by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Why is that?
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by James (Lost in Boston) on Dec 6, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
People have been asking him on his blog for like two years
The answer, by the way, is no one. We received the claiming fee.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
That's probably the best choice
Has a PTBNL ever been worth anything? I’m sure there has been a few, but I don’t know of any.
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 6, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
yeah sure
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_to_be_named_later
“However, some minor league PTBNLs who have turned out to be productive in the majors include Jeremy Bonderman, Scott Podsednik, Coco Crisp, Moisés Alou, Jason Schmidt, and David Ortiz.”
also, teams sometimes use the PTBNL to trade a player who was recently drafted, because you can’t technically trade them until a year after the draft (or a year after they sign, or something like that). occasionally you get a top prospect included in that type of deal.
oooh, I still remember going to the one game
where the claiming fee hit that walk-off home run! That was awesome!
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Was that the same game when Corey fell on his face?
Do you need me to be more specific?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
FACT
the Orioles were 13-42 in games in which Corey Patterson, needing to either go back on a ball or come in on a ball, instead headbutted the ground
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Do we have a record for games in which Corey twirled his glove in the outfield?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Random factoid
Both David Hernandez and Mark Reynolds were 16th round picks. I wonder if that’s ever happened before…
Librarians are hiding something
What do you think we will do for 1B now, and what do you want?
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by James (Lost in Boston) on Dec 6, 2010 3:34 PM EST reply actions
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Isn't Wiggles a FA?
Are they planning on resigning him?
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 6, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
He is.
And I hope not.
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Well, I would be all for Luke on 1B if
we sign someone nice for DH
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by James (Lost in Boston) on Dec 6, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Umm. More tibits.
stevehenson333: Macphail said acquiring reynolds doesn’t block josh bell O’s like reynolds defense and could trade bell. [via Twitter]
3:24 stevehenson333: Showalter: lot of trade interest in bell but he can play first base. [via Twitter]
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 3:36 PM EST reply actions
You make it sound like his defense is horrid.
DRS shows steady improvement over the last few years, UZR shows average-ish range (and his errors have gone down since ‘08), and FSR and other sources indicate improvement from ’09 to ’10. I’ve hardly seen him play, but we’re not talking Adam Dunn here.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
he's a subpar defender (-5.9 UZR/150 for the last four years). What's there to "like" about that?
Your mother.
It is possible for guys to improve.
From what I’ve read, he has made significant strides over the last few years. Look at his numbers year-by-year — bad partial season, worse first full season, better the following year, and average this last year.
I’m not saying his defense is good necessarily, but when scouts, fans, and metrics agree that there’s been improvement — to the point where he’s about average now — it’s hard to dismiss that.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
yeah, but it's hard to take 1 year UZR seriously
as you know, they’re aren’t reliable. those improvements could be random fluctuations. it could also be genuine improvement. we don’t know at this point.
Your mother.
Right,
but I think that since DRS, fans, and scouts agree with it, there’s a good chance it isn’t just noise.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
at this point, we don't know, we'll see though.
i can only go by evidence we do have at this point.
Your mother.
That's fair.
Just trying to point out some trends in the evidence you may not have noticed.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
It's not worth arguing
He’s going to continue to spew the negativity. What’s funny is, everybody wants the team to make moves to try and improve. Then the deals are made and everybody bitches because we didn’t do this and we didn’t do that.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Sorry
Didn’t mean anything offensive….it’s just that you have not said anything positive.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
we all have our role to play
We need somebody to play debbie downer when we’re all drinking the kool aid.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
No...I'm saying he had no chance of convincing you that Reynolds doesn't suck
And we’ll win that many more games with Hernandez pitching 50 innings.
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unless he collapses, which is possible, but I think unlikely,
he’s still going to be below market value the next two years.
not sure
given the contracts lately, a win is about $5M to 6M. he’s signed about $12.5 for the next two years. that’s about $6.25M per year. if he’s a 1 win player, he’ll be worth it. and that’s great. but do we really want to spend that much money on one or two wins. i say no.
Spewing negativity.
i wouldn't pencil him as a 2.5-3 win player
After all, he was a 2.4 win player last season. And a 1.4 win player in 2008. He’s been a 3.6 win player ONCE.
Spewing negativity.
yeah, but last season his BABIP
was 100 points below his career average and he was still a 2.4 win player. Assuming his BABIP bounces back, so will his OBP and suddenly he’s back to 3 wins. Also, his defense has supposedly been improving although i don’t trust 1-year sample’s for defensive metrics.
my guess is that he'll bounce back in 2011 to a 2 win player
and then bounce back toward sucking again to a 1.2 win player, have his option declined, and we’ll never hear from him again.
Spewing negativity.
sucking for him
would still include 30+ homers though wouldn’t it?
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
wRC+ is based on wOBA right?
So if BABIP was way below average than wOBA would be lower and therefor wRC+? I’m not really sure.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
For league and stadium?
Similar to OPS+ right? I’m still learning.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Don't you mean normalized?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
that's fine too...
mostly i think it’s like z-score which is a standardized (or normalized works too) score.
Spewing negativity.
exactly, his wRC+ last year was pretty much exactly league average,
but his BABIP was way below his career average, meaning that he should bounce back to being a solidly above average hitter next year.
he's heading into his prime, not leaving it
and BABIP is almost 100% luck-driven, so you can’t honestly believe that he’s going to be worse than he was last year do you?
he certainly won't get worse
he may level off too, slight improvement is more likely though.
Spewing negativity.
I'm confused then...
are you looking at fWAR or brWAR? because 2 wins is a decline on fWAR
fangraphs has him as 2.4 wins last year
and you said you think he’ll bounce back to 2 wins in 2011 and 1.2 wins in 2012. Those would both be declines. So I’m just confused where your getting your data from. Or was that a typo?
ah i see what you're seeing
yes, if he bounces back, then he must bounce back something higher than 2.4 wins. So let’s say he’ll bounce back to 2.8 wins next years than drops back down to 1.6 wins in 2012. That would seems to follow his career but, as we know, things to work out more randomly than that.
Spewing negativity.
oh, i'm a little more optimistic than you i think
The 2.8 to 1.6 at least has some logic to it tho, which is why I was so confused about what you said before.
When you say expensive
are you talking about his salary or what we gave up for him? I don’t really agree with either, but I just want to clarify.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
We're going to be getting him below market value
And got him for a relief pitcher. I’ll take it.
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You guys I am addicted to the Twitter
I just keep hitting refresh. I hope my job is prepared for me to be horribly unproductive this week.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I like the yahoo chat thing.
Posts all the relavent tweets plus more.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but I like to see everyone's reactions to things as well
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
See I haven't really figured out how the back and forth works on twitter yet.
Can’t tell who said what and who someone is talking to. Much less confusing on yahoo.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
I wish they had landing locations for all his hits
I’d be curious to see how many landed in Home-run territory in Camden Yards but not in Chase Field
I can help you with that.
Give me a second.
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Is this what you want?
Doesn’t show distances unfortunately. I don’t know anywhere that does that.
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based on first glance
it doesn’t look like OPACY would have given him any more HRs. Not a lot of deep flyball outs
What about all those hits on the warning track?
I count as many as 13.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
yes... you would be correct.
for some reason, i was only looking at the outs. the downfall of mixing internet with work i suppose.
too much work, not enough internet
I rarely have that problem.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Check out this monster. Next year will have some excitement for sure.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7563669
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he can hit the warehouse
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by James (Lost in Boston) on Dec 6, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
wrong side of the plate
but yeah: wowzers
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
yeah
I thought of that after I posted. H still spreads them around according to that pic above, but probably doesn’t hit them that far to the right.
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by James (Lost in Boston) on Dec 6, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
So it turns around in mid-orbit?
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by the fix is in on Dec 6, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
how does it hit the other side of the warehouse?
if it goes around the earth it is traveling in the same direction
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by the fix is in on Dec 6, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
If he was a lefty I would say maybe.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
That one went 466 ft and left that bat at 120mph.
That is nuts.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
On that note, longest homerun in OPACY history (in game):
465 feet by Daryl Strawberry.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
this guy...
I’ll be RICH in Reynolds moon shots!
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
From craig calcaterra's twitter
buck showalter: the idea of lineup protection is overblown
You guys!! I’ll be in my bunk for a while!!
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Andrew and Buck, sitting in a tree.
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Per Britt, the next thing the O's are going to focus on is relief pitching
sigh.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
well
we probably now need an arm or two. As long as they aren’t expensive and don’t cost a draft pick I’m cool. No?
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Still rather focus on 1B or SS
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by James (Lost in Boston) on Dec 6, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
The market for a good 1B that don't cost a draft pick is pretty much dead.
I think we should just get some leftover at this point for a 1 yr deal and focus on one of the big names next year. However, I do agree that maybe a focus on SS would be more ideal at this point than a reliever since there are some decent SS still out there.
We do need some relievers to replace the losses of Koji, DH, and Albers but one that is going to cost a second round pick pick is just not worth it right now. Yeah, yeah, I know. Albers was not a loss but we still need to replace the position he filled.
.02
can you imagine this lineup with Lee in it?
that’s not looking too shabby…
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
I'd really be pretty content
if we sign Lee and Koji and maybe one other reliever that doesn’t cost us a pick or much cash (although really I’d have been fine with Albers and Koji…) and call it an offseason. No damage done – big improvement on last year.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I want a shortstop as well
but I guess it’s baby steps with this team. another year of Izzy might just have to be the sacrifice for signing Lee.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Hardy would be a significant upgrade
2.4 WAR in 101 games according to fangraphs, and he’s only 2 years removed from a career best output of 4.9 WAR. Izturis was -0.3 WAR, and his best performance over the past 6 years was 1.5 WAR. Hardy’s 28; Izturis turns 31 in February.
I think the point a lot of people miss is that Hardy is also a great fielder. you don’t have to hit below the Mendoza line to be a slick fielding shortstop. even if he doesn’t rebound to his 2007-08 numbers, he’s still a good player. that said, with Hernandez gone we lost our most likely trade asset.
Tillman is still an asset
he’s a guy people might still want but he’s also expendable. you can’t be afraid to pull the trigger in situations like these, if Hardy can hold the fort until Machado gets here then mission accomplished right?
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
I would rather keep TIllman,
to me he is not expendable right now unless it’s a superstar for multiple years. We’d be selling low on a young pitcher with Ace potential. I want to keep him and give him some time to develop in the majors.
ace potential?
is that legit? I agree, you can never have too much pitching, but he hasn’t really shown me anything that would indicate that he can be more than a 3 starter in this rotation of Matsuz, Arietta, Britton, Bergesen, and himself.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
I still think Matusz is the best, but
all through the minors he was labeled as potential #1. Him and Matusz were always listed as pretty much equal depending on which prospect report you like to read. He has better stuff than Bergesen and better control than Arrieta, who was insanely lucky most of the year last year.
he's only 22
imagine he had no major league experience. a 22 year old guy with 218 IP in AAA, 3.06 ERA, 8.0 K/9, 2.3 BB/9, 0.6 HR/9? that’s a pretty good prospect. what I’ve always read about Tillman is that he had the highest upside of the trio (him + Matusz + Arrieta), but also the widest range of possibilities. he’d have to develop quickly over the next year or two, but I think he still has the potential to become a top of the rotation starter. the question is, are his problems fixable (eg. lack of confidence, slight mechanics problem), or did the scouts just overrate him?
he's got he potential to be better than Matusz?
if that’s the case, by all means keep him around, I must have misjudged his worth. if we have staff where Arietta is the 4 guy in 3 years then we’ve done something right.
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
most *likely* trade asset
we have plenty of valuable trade assets, but I think Hernandez was the most likely to be moved.
albers
shut your G D mouth young man and don’t you ever, EVER speak his name again! now go to your room.
Yeah
Its not like we don’t need to sign a few relievers. Its just a matter of who they choose to go after.
can't let...
the next danys baez get away!
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-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
maybe
But to put it next on the list seems kinda silly
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
To be going down a list at all seems silly
Shouldn’t they be working on all of our needs the entire offseason?
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 6, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
this
although i imagine its just responding to the market…seems like a lot of teams are targetting relievers right now, and that’s the one (lousy) free agent category we have not had trouble luring in.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
it could also simply be the media portraying it as a list
as in, the Orioles are closest on signing up koji and someone else, so that makes it “the next thing”
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
goddammit.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
Whoooo
just barely passed my professional ethics exam. Thats just the level of ethical i want to be.
Well played.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Oh i think I figured out whats been bugging me about this trade
it feels in my gut a lot like the millwood thing. Trading relievers (which a whatever move) for a thing (in this case, raw power; previously starter innings) that is not as valuable as you wish it were (i.e. stopgappers).
Not a perfect comparison, but this has been bugging me all damn day, something about this trade simply did not sit well with me. I think that’s it.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
At least Reynolds isn't being overvalued by the organization due to perceived intangibles, though.
Of course, he may be overvalued for other reasons. But we aren’t paying $9 million for a year of “veteran leadership.”
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by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
I see where your going with this,
but I think there’s a difference between an aging starter, and a position player entering his prime.
oh i agree
like i said, it was instinctual. I’d call the feeling closer to uneasiness at a “seemingly improving but really just repainting the house” sort of a mood. Which is a totally unfair reaction, of course.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I can empathize
I have been reading through your comments and I get what you are saying. I almost feel like at this point the reaction is almost in response to the Orioles moves as a whole instead of to this particular move.
For example, I feel as if every offseason we start off with the optimism about who we are going to get and how it will improve the team, a team that some of us feel is moving in the right direction to an extent, and then we get an offseason like this. We offer terrible contracts to the big name guys, who we would have to overpay for in the past, and we end up getting guys like Reynolds and Millwood, who though not throwaway guys feel lack luster, like we are getting bronze medals instead of gold. This feeling is then exacerbated by the fact that the next few things we read are about how we will be going after relief pitchers, some of whom are actually Type A guys, and then the feeling worsens.
I think as an Orioles fan, I am sick of feeling as if I am being treated as a second class baseball fan, having people tell me that they respect me for wearing an O’s hat not because they like the team but because it is hard to root for such a crappy team. And so when we make moves like this, that are not spectacular and feel a little second level it makes me feel like we are just pushing ourselves further into that rut.
Example, we trade for Mark Reynolds the Lame Sox get Gonzalez. I recognize the complications that I am ignoring in this mini rant here, I am just saying. I don’t mind treading water if it keeps me alive, but eventually I’d like to start swimming towards shore.
depends on your definition of proficient...
I’ve had to use it for labs in a few classes, but I’m nowhere near an expert.
not too hard
The chart wizard
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
i love the chart wizard
but if you told a person who’s not familiar with excel to use the chart wizard, they’ll look at you like you’re crazy.
Your mother.
is there a specific problem you are having?
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
no,
i’m just curious to know how many people are familiar with excel, and if so, how. i noticed that people around me aren’t familiar with excel. on one hand, i’m a little surprised, but maybe i shouldn’t.
Your mother.
I've played around with excel
Doing research on bullpen effectiveness. The question that I had was whether it’s true that a fresh bullpen is the best bullpen (i.e., does fewer innings pitched typically equal a lower bullpen ERA). I didn’t find it to be true. I was frustrated with ESPN’s stats, so I actually set up a reminder to pull monthly pitching data. I never really had the time to finish my research though, but I couldn’t see a pattern. On an entirely unrelated note, I had many dates in high school.
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Bah
Chart wizard is for rookies. Just select the data you want and insert the chart you need. 2007 makes it easy.
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it is
until you start doing the more advanced functions.
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get em
People need to get over their fear, it isn’t difficult to use for basic and chart functions.
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, that's stuff simple
i think i taught it to myself back in high school. it’s the programming and advanced analysis stuff that’s difficult
yeah, i mean, if you can't do something in excel, it's not hard to teach yourself.
for example, i don’t think making a chart in excel is that hard to figure out w/o any excel experience if you play with it through trial and error if you have some pre-existing computer literacy. but maybe my expectations are too high.
Spewing negativity.
people are dumb
Just look at election results.
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
i think it's more that people are fucking lazy.
they can learn but that requires work.
Spewing negativity.
If/Then functions can be damn tricky
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Somewhat proficient, out of sheer necessity
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Does Excel 2003 count?
I still find myself going, “Crap, how do I do that in this version?” at work, using 2007. And I can’t remember at this point when I really learned it; it’s been ages.
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I took a course on it for work
and immediately lost all of that knowledge. I can do basic charts, tables, functions, but the real power of excel is in things like V lookups and if/than statements and pivot tables and I can’t do that shit. Really limiting actually, but I’m too lazy to address it.
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Without Hernandez, who's the resident Hills fan in the Orioles clubhouse now?
And with Hernandez traded away, MacPhail won’t be more determined to sign a Type A reliever, now, will he? I’m okay with signing a reliever, but not at the expense of a draft pick.
hmmm.. britt is saying the O's still have interest in Pena.
i know “awesome” isn’t really the right word, but i think it would be pretty cool to have two guys batting 4 – 5 who are both capable of 40 HRs and hitting under .200
I'd like Lee
but Pena wouldn’t kill me.
looking at the projected lineup it goes
S (B-rob)
L (Nick)
R (Jones?)
R (Reynolds)
L (Luke)
L (Pena) OR R (Lee)
S (Wieters)
L (Pie)
S (Izturis…)
I can live with this.
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
i hate the idea of Jones batting 3rd...
the alternative isn’t much better, but I’d rather see this:
S BRob
L Nick
L Luke
R Reynolds
L Pena
R Jones
S Wieters
L Pie
S MaxIzzy
I'll play
S Roberts 2B
L Pie LF
L Markakis RF
R Reynolds 3B
L Scott DH
R Jones CF
L Pena 1B
S Wieters C/g-d
R pitcher’s spot
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
that's a lot of power coming out of the seven hole
gracious me that would be awesome.
Pie at the 2? bold move.
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's a decent lineup, and the rotation should be OK,
but MacPhail should still not be the GM next December.
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
Luke shouldn't be third with his RISP average
it’s abysmal. I thought that would work, but was quickly corrected and I can see why; he hits about .240 with RISP.
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Is RISP actually reliable from year to year?
I had just assumed it was not and thusly had minimal analytic value.
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
no, not in any way.
It’s a SSS issue and pretty much completely meaningless.
eh
some folks here seem to think so. I’m no analyst, I really have no clue, but I’m sure that avg./RISP is going to be a big deal if you want a guy batting third.
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=scottlu01&year=Career&t=b
for his career he’s .240/.357/.437
which is below his splits without runners on, but if you look at the numbers for where the players are on base, you can pretty easily tell that there is no pattern there. His stats when runners are on 2nd and 3rd are .310/.531/.586, which is amazing.
The fact is that he’s had less than 1/2 as many at bats with RISP, so the data is pretty much useless.
well, there are multiple issues
it definitely fluctuates from year to year, which is why RISP stats over a season are stupid. but over a full career, the sample size becomes more reasonable, but in Scott’s case it’s only 610 PA, about the equivalent of a season. it’s like saying “hey, Scott had a .284 average last year (sample size 517 PA), he must be a good contact hitter”. batting average is one of the more luck-reliant hitting statistics.
yeah, that's what I was trying to say
I think you said it much better tho, kudos.
Hmm.
mlbtraderumors: RT @danconnollysun: #Orioles considering 1B options. Have talked internally about #Nationals Josh Willingham. Wiggy still a possbty
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 5:42 PM EST reply actions
Willingham
DO IT
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Depending on the cost....
hell yeah.
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yeesh...
it’d be like having two luke scotts in the lineup.
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-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
true
would you be down for a Tillman and lower-tier prospect for Willingham?
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think we want to give up Tillman for a 31 year old.
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by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
I'd love to have Willingham.
Still don’t think I would give away Tillman, but I absolutely love Willingham, for a player that isn’t on the Orioles.
Other consideration for Willingham is: he's a free agent after 2011.
No thanks to this one, unless we’re talking giving up like organizational filler and nobody who actually might ever matter.
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by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
I like this move
I don’t think Reynolds is a great player, but he is an above average one with a skill that the Orioles lack. He’s not going to turn the Orioles into a winner, but it’s at least a small step in the right direction.
I will miss DH though. One of my favorite (almost surely faulty) memories of the past season was him coming in against someone (I think the Blue Jays, but I can’t say that with certainty) and throwing like 9 straight fastballs to get the three batters he faced.
Now both local teams have a 3B from UVA
You have to like that.
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eh
I think it adds to the douche factor. Hope he doesn’t start popping his collar around the locker room…
They had a pretty nasty team in 2004 with Dobies and Koshansky on the mound and Reynolds and Zimmerman at SS and 3rd. Dobies and Koshansky aren’t going to be studs like the other two, but to produce 4 AAA or better players in a span of two years is pretty absurd.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
No, no you don't.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, and since Reynolds is an Oriole,
I’ll ignore all logic and say that he’s the best 3B from UVA in the majors.
Zimmerman is way better
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What stats do you have to back that up?
Since Reynolds entered the majors in 2007, he’s had 346 RBI to Zimmerman’s 333 RBI over those years. 13 MORE RBI. You can’t argue with that.
by ahoque24 on Dec 6, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
GAHAHA
This wins the internet.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
no way!
more RBIs??? he must be better, the RBIs told me so.
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
But Zimmerman has a gold glove
that means he is as good as Jetah!
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
But HRs don't tell you as much as RBI.
If you hit a solo HR, you only get one RBI, but if you hit a single with two guys in scoring position, you can get two RBI. See?
says on his page he's from Kentucky?
he went to college at UVA but I’m not really sure beyond that.
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
That's why I said UVA......
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bwahhh
there was another post in here somewhere that said he was from VA. I got it confused.
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
He went to high school in Virginia Beach
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Zimmerman did
Not Reynolds
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Reynolds' B-Ref page says he went to HS in V-Beach.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Hmm...didn't know that
Zimmerman went to HS down there for sure.
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Yeah, he did.
Different high schools, but both in Virginia Beach. I misread and thought he went to school in North Carolina, but that’s where he was born.
Baseball Reference says he was born in Kentucky, but went to high school in Virginia Beach.
If you look up Brandon Snyder, it always says he’s from Las Vegas. I know for a fact, though, that he went to my high school in Centreville, Virginia.
I gotcha
do players really move for baseball? it seems common in basketball, but baseball? really?
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Well certainly nobody is moving from Las Vegas to Centreville for baseball...
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Yeah, this will only be the 11th year of my high school's existence.
No reason to move there for baseball. I imagine the best high school baseball programs are in the Midwest. Which means I’d never move for baseball. Though I’m guessing the Pacific Coast has strong programs.
where I'm at, Calvert Hall has it on lock
and when they went out to California they get destroyed by the top programs from the west. they play good baseball out there.
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
CA, FLA, and TX
Places where you can play year round and generally have big schools and lots of kids.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I forgot to mention Southern states.
Besides Florida and Texas, what other Southern states have good programs? Georgia, maybe?
Tennessee is pretty solid
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Close enough to the Midwest for me to count it in there.
Kidding. Using the UVA third basemen, Zimmerman went to high school in North Carolina and Reynolds obviously went to school in Virginia Beach. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Carolinas and southern Virginia has some good programs.
Wright was on the team with Reynolds and Zimmerman too I think
not at UVA but like a high school all star team or an AAU or something like that. what an infield that would’ve been.
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
well...
Reynolds was a shortstop back then so I’m not sure how great a defensive infield it was. :)
Nobody cares about that in college if you hit bombs.
Also anybody that plays defense in the majors at all is a stud in college. My college infield was fucking horrible.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
it was a baseball factory team
with Zimmerman, Cudduyer, both Upton brothers, and David Wright. Played against them when I was a senior in high school but they were missing a bunch of dudes. Cudduyer was the most impressive back then. Zimmerman didn’t look good at all – he got way better in college.
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that's insane
right now I’m playing with Cal Ripken’s kid. never seen anything like it. kid hit +.450 as a sophomore last year.
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
6'5-6
it’s unreal. he’s a lefty though so no SS, they moved him to first but
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Man, SS was my favorite position when I was a kid (probably because of Cal),
but I’m a lefty, so I didn’t even get to play it in Little League.
I'm a lefty and I played 2nd for a whole season in little league.
Pretty tough. Don’t turn a whole lot of double plays at 13 though so it wasn’t too bad. Played some third also, but that is a bit easier.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
I played second for one game in little league.
It was a pain, and I remember regretting not to check the weather, because it was cold and most of us weren’t wearing sleeves. I did play third a lot, and wasn’t terrible at it. You know, by little league standards.
Don’t turn a whole lot of double plays at 13
What was your UZR/150? Sounds like you are making excuses!
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Nah.
13 is the first year with a 90 ft diamond right? Not a lot of double plays turned, lol.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
I play short, CF, and catcher
but if I’d been a lefty I’d definitely have stuck with pitching. man I loved pitching but there’s no future in it for me.
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Pitching was fun. I could bring the heat when I was 16/17
but had zero idea where the ball was going. I threw a two seamer, slider, and a knuckle ball (what bitches?!?) and loved every second of it. I only pitched a few times a year and only started once because, like I said, no control.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
I hit about 79-82 with my fastball last year
threw a 2 seamer, lousy curve, and a knuckleball every once in awhile. basically, I lived and died with the strikeout. but god ,the knuckleball. brush a dude back with the heat then float a knuckler down the middle of the plate and watch his knees buckle. best feeling ever.
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Love that feeling.
Knuckleball was the one pitch I could put down the middle. Definitely my best pitch. My two seamer had good tail on it and sat around the same as yours (if I had any intentions of sticking with it and worked on my leg strength and mechanics I am confident I could have sat in the upper 80s) and my slider had some ok break to it, albeit similar to the 2 seamer, but I was like Danny Cabrera out there, lol.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
sometimes I feel like I should go back to it
but low-80’s fastballs aren’t gonna cut it this year, I feel like I’ve lost too much time to go back to it.
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
How old are you?
You can always work on it on your own time and see if you make any improvement and then make a decision.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
I don't remember who it was,
but I do remember hearing about a Latin American relief pitcher who never even played baseball until he was 16. You can say that I don’t remember his name and he was only a relief pitcher, but just to make ti to the majors is remarkable, so unless you’re in college, it’s never really too late.
As long as you have raw ability
you have a chance.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
16
I’ve got time, but I think pitching at a good college is out of the question. i realized that after playing a team from Japan over the summer. those kids tore the cover off the ball on me. we ended up winning but I pitched terribly. it was a spot start and I hadn’t pitched in awhile but still. hey, it was a fun ride but, I’ve invested too much in catching recently.
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
If anything it can be something
to make you more attractive to colleges. You can play catcher and pitch in relief. Just ask Matt Wieters.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
You're throwing low 80s at 16?
That’s pretty solid. I wasn’t throwing much harder than that at 16 and I ended up playing d1 (piss poorly, but still).
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I can throw hard
location isn’t terrific but now that I’m playing catcher, center field and short stop I can just let it fly without worrying about where it’s going so much. ironically, my control gets better if I’m throwing from the outfield to the catcher or from home to second, etc.
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
I could throw a BB from center to home
but was an accurate pitcher. It is a totally different throwing motion. With some work you might be able to improve control.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
was not an accurate pitcher
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
*but it's ok because he's picked it up really well
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
bro
he’s my assistant coach. Larry Sheets is the head, I see him every morning.
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
uh
it seems pretty straightforward to me
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
apparently not
he’ll miss an occasional practice, but this is his son we’re talking about, family comes first I suppose
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, 8 year old me does remember him talking about his family when he retired.
Then again, everyone says that when they retire. And with the rumors about him joining the Orioles this past summer, he did say he wants to wait until his son graduates.
yup
two more seasons so I won’t have him, but I’ll have Larry still, his son’s a freshman. so far I’m not impressed…
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
ha.
mostly kidding, kid’s not bad for a freshman and he seems nice, but he’ll spend the year on JV most likely.
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Don't most freshmen play on JV?
When I was a sophomore, I only remember one sophomore on our football team. Then again, that team won state, so it was pretty good.
a couple of my friends went straight to varsity
we have a school of about 400 and it’s all about lacrosse so if there’s a talented enough freshman he’ll play on varsity. same deal for football, we had two freshman this year and about 17 sophomores, 4 started and one made all conference. I know how duck feels about private school football, but I’m confident that this year we would’ve beaten whoever it was that won state.
but short answer, generally, freshmen will play JV for a year and then in sophomore year too most likely.
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
there you go
for a school with 400, we go pretty hard. 9 in the national ranking this year until an ugly loss to last year’s natl. champs. we had a pretty solid team.
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Pro Football South
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
At least find out Cal's stance on sabremetrics
so we know whether we want him in the front office or not.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Even my daughter's SB coach
organized his lineup based on OBP. And these were 13 and 14 year olds in rec ball.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
someone has a lot of free time on their hands
I don’t really know how they arrange our lineup to be honest with you. i hit 2 homers last year and batted 4th for two games…
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
That would be me
Set up an Excel spreadsheet, plug in the numbers right after the game, takes me 20 minutes.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
well
there you go. i know they did BA for us last year, probably had the OBP locked away somewhere.
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Pro Football South
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
Well, mine weren't perfect
I actually included HBP and reached by error in OBP. Pretty sure I shouldn’t have. But hey, they reached base, right?
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
The HBP do count towards OBP,
regardless of whether you think you can learn anything from HBP. Errors don’t.
errors don't count?
hell if a HBP counts I think an error should count
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
i agree, both should count,
there is a correlation for HBP’s, it’s generally the same players that lead the league every year, I’m not really sure if that’s true for errors.
*have him as a senior
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, you played against Zimmerman, Cuddyer, the Uptons, and David Wright in high school?
Holy shit.
Nah not in high school
just once at a tourney
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I played against Kevin Durant in a summer camp the summer before my senior year.
He completely destroyed everyone, and blocked my shot 4 times.
How many people can say Kevin Durant blocked their shot?
Any idea how tall he was then? He’s 6’9 now.
he was the tallest kid in the camp and he played point guard
i wouldve guessed 6’6" or so, but i’m not really sure
I had to pass rush
against this motherfucker. never again…
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
it's not just that he's big
he’s ridiculously fast off the ball. it pales in comparison to getting stuffed by KD, but one day Kouandijo is gonna be a star in the NFL.
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
we were totally overmatched
I actually pitched against Zimmerman another time and hit a laser off my wrist that bounced into the outfield in the air and also hit a ground rule double to CF and the fence seemed like it was about a mile away.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
tell your Cla Meredith story again!
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
No big deal.
He was intimidated by my swing and miss (must not have noticed that I missed the ball by a solid 8-10 inches) and didn’t come near the zone again.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I mean I play year round
not winter, but we’ve been training since early October.
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
games?
in FLA, TX, and CA they play games all year round.
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
very true
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Pro Football South
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
So I ultimately changed my mind
I like this deal. I don’t love it, but I like it. All hail the buy low strategy. Also, I’m looking forward to some monster home runs. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen 70 power before.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I’m not sure I’ve ever seen 70 power before.
Did you miss the Brandon Fahey era?
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
1 power for 70 games counts?
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Fahey is your classic -70 power guy
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
We actually have a guy
who can hit the ‘hit it here’ thingy in left center.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
The deal is quite likeable
Hernandez has the potential to be a very good reliever, but relievers are tricky things. Mickolio will get a lot of chances because he is tall and throws fast, but this could be an example of selling high on him.
Reynolds could be a decent corner infield bat for a few years. For that risk, the price wasn’t too expensive (i.e., Tillman).
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, i'm not a fan of this deal, but i'll say that the price wasn't terrible
i would rather have DH, but I’m not terribly pissed about this trade.
Spewing negativity.
I do wonder who the PTBNL is though.
Too bad we can’t just swap first rounders next June…
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't it say it could be a PTBNL or cash?
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
I wonder if it is conditional on Reynolds performance
or Hernandez’s or what?
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
i read earlier somewhere, it might've been on this thread
but it’s most likely someone who’s not on the 40-man right now, so we have to wait until after the Rule 5 draft to find out who it is. I’m not sure if that’s true or not, but it sounds legit.
That was my hunch too
I think there will be a lot of PTBNL announced after thursday’s draft (the Padres are getting one from Boston in the AGON trade)
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
So maybe they have a player named
but if he gets selected in the rule V we get cash and if not we get the player. Makes sense.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Well I guess that missing cash explains the ridonculous Dunn offer
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Could also just be a player Arizona drafted this year
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Not likely because of the 'or cash' option.
I would think at least.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Andrew, it's going to be harder and harder for me to spew negativity without specifics.
Spewing negativity.
okay, okay
poison swallowed. Like a guy’s never been in a bad mood before…
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I'm with you
I’m liking it, not loving it. It improves one of the corners, but not as much as we need. Doesn’t create another hole while patching 3B, which is nice. We just need to make bigger strides in fixing our holes.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Like what?
This is kinda what I mean about folks saying we need to fix something, but then complaining when the holes get fixed. Who exactly do you want to get to fix these holes that we actually have a decent chance to sign?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
That's the problem
The fixes we need aren’t there. So we need to draft better and/or wait for a blockbuster trade or FA hitting the market. And it looks like none of those are happening this offseason.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
I really can't imagine any better possible alternatives...
…than a 27 y/o power hitter under club control for another 3 seasons with more upside. And that we received for 2 relievers. Who has been on the market over the last few years that the Orioles could’ve gotten? Beltre wasn’t going to sign in Baltimore last off-season (when it would’ve been smart) and won’t sign in Baltimore this year (when it will be stupid).
To the extent that such a thing exists, the Orioles sold high on Hernandez and potentially Mickolio for a buy low guy like Reynolds. This is exactly the kind of move the Orioles should be making. And yeah, it hurts to give MacPhail credit for anything.
To that end, AM will probably try to replace Hernandez with Balfour.
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by dfa on Dec 6, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Is Mark Reynolds even in the top half of the AL in offense for a 3B?
As far as the deal, yeah, I’d say we “won”. It’s an upgrade over what we had as options. But Mark Reynolds isn’t the 3B of a playoff team. Not even close. I realize this isn’t the final answer at 3B.
But at some point, we have to assemble a team that can win the division, or at least the Wild Card. And we’re gonna have to do better than Mark Reynolds.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
he was the best thing we could have hoped for
let’s face the obvious fact that no free agents want to come here and that we’ve got to find other ways to get competitive.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
i don't think mark reynolds makes us competitive
what he is is a guy who can probably stay at third until josh bell proves he’s ready (or we have a better option) and who probably won’t totally embarrass himself. “Competitive” is some other guys’ jobs. I’m talking to you, Matt Wieters and Adam Jones!
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
he doesn't
but maybe he gets us some more wins, some more buzz in the media, one thing leads to another and you have a big time free agent who’s willing to take a chance with a middle of the road team.
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
yeah...no.
nobody’s gonna be overwhelmed by the extra win or two from mark reynolds. Again: that’s Wieters et al.’s job to make the team attractive again.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
he's probably the worst in the division, depending on whether you believe in jose bautista
and A-Rod next year. But he’s probably better than any other 3B in the AL. I’m just estimating tho, I didn’t actually research that at all.
well, yeah, but let's not go nuts
in the end, Reynolds is still just a stopgap third baseman with some upside. That’s kool and the gang, but it is what it is, and it’s really nothing to thump your chest about.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Well, maybe it's low expectations then
The Orioles could have:
a. Overpaid for Beltre
b. Signed Wigginton
c. Signed Mora
d. Traded for Reynolds
Clearly the best option of those presented is d. I suppose a reasonable argument could be made to have used Hernandez to get Hardy. In the above example, Wigginton and Mora are stopgaps. Reynolds offers plus power entering his prime. I suppose it might be a matter of semantics, but I really don’t see him as a stopgap.
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by dfa on Dec 7, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
Pats are straight-up whoopin' the Jets.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Well fuck
my fantasy lead is quickly evaporating. Didnt think Branch and Green-Ellis had a good chance of hitting 40 combined points.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
HAHAHAHA
Yessssss
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
how funny would it be
if Reynolds were to win the home run derby this year?
cruel irony is never lost on me.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
It is now
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Well, most of it.
The top few comments are still in regular type.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
why
is everything italicized again?
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by danielreese05 on Dec 6, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Someone forgot to close an italics tag, it seems
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by Eat More Esskay on Dec 6, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
It makes my head hurt.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 6, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
I just like to imagine that everything is emphasized.
Since it is all so very important.
"I believe in Earl Weaver's 'Big Inning Theory of Baseball.' The game was created by a Boog Powell three-run shot. You can look it up."
by Emperor Lrrr on Dec 7, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Best comment:
And on this day, no one made it rain.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 6, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, just got home and 713 posts.
Guess I am not gonna go through it all.
"I believe in Earl Weaver's 'Big Inning Theory of Baseball.' The game was created by a Boog Powell three-run shot. You can look it up."
Lots of goodies in there.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
wow...
check out wieters career projections. sad.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
The MASN money has been well documentedd
So paying what we’re paying for a 35 HR/15-20 SB, above average OBP guy that plays 3B everyday & 1B as well at age 27 shouldn’t be viewed so cynically IMO. We needed a power bat, we needed a guy who could hit lefties, we had no shot at Beltre. What could we have done better? We were staring at 162 games of Josh Bell or re-signing Wiggy as an everyday guy, not the platoon kind of guy he really is. We don’t have to be cheap anymore thanks to the Nats (or thx to Bud Selig’s crush on Angelos), so we still have the flexibility to improve the team in the ‘pen & at 1B before spring training. If this is all we do, then yes it was pointless. But really we gave up two guys that have less impact on the 162 game season in the grand scheme of things. Now, that being said, it’s probably on to Lee or LaRoche, but I’m with Stacey! Someone kidnap Prince & blindfold him & feed him crabcakes until he begs for mercy. NO MERCY!
by KellRawLive on Dec 7, 2010 3:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
So paying what we’re paying for a 35 HR/15-20 SB, above average OBP guy that plays 3B everyday & 1B as well at age 27 shouldn’t be viewed so cynically IMO.
Hey, I don’t make the projections. It’s not my fault that it’s a “cynical” projection. Personally, it sounds about right. Slightly above average hitter.
We were staring at 162 games of Josh Bell
Bell should be at AAA, but let’s say he started at BAL. Heaven forbid we try to develop a young player at the big league level.
Spewing negativity.
We tried that last year
And he was indefensible. He was bad enough to where the team was worried about killing his confidence as a batter. So yea, by all means, let’s do it again.
by KellRawLive on Dec 7, 2010 3:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
this is stupid. never trade young pitching for an aging bat unless you’re one aging bat away from a championship. hooray for mediocrity. when will i be a fan of a good team?
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