Tuesday Bird Droppings
by duck on Dec 7, 2010 6:55 AM EST
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PrintReynolds much-needed upgrade for O's - Stats & Info Blog - ESPN
ESPN's Stats & Info blog thinks that Reynolds could be an upgrade not only offensively for the O's, but also defensively.
The Mark Reynolds Trade: Baltimore’s End | FanGraphs Baseball
FanGraphs expects Mark Reynolds to be a 2.5 WAR player next year, and his salary is in line with that expectation, in their view. In other words, Andy MacPhail didn't screw up.
Orioles Insider: Mark Reynolds on the trade, his style and his 2010 season
"Initially I was surprised. I obviously didn’t want to leave. I have my house here, my friends, family, have a pretty good set up with spring training 10 minutes down the road, but I’m looking forward to it. Going back East, I’m from Virginia Beach so it’s a couple hours from my house. It’s going to be a good experience for me. I’m excited to go there and meet the other guys, the coaches, the front office. It’s going to be an adventure and I’m looking forward to it."
Orioles Insider: Orioles' first base options: Willingham? -
Josh Willingham is thought to be an option for 1B for the Orioles, Derrek Lee doesn't appear to be interested, and Ty Wigginton is an option, although a fading one.
Orioles Insider: MacPhail, Showalter and Towers comment on deal
"We’ve made no secret of the fact that we are looking to augment our offense this offseason. We don’t think we’re necessarily done," said Andy MacPhail.
Orioles: Former Orioles GM Pat Gillick to be part of 2011 Hall of Fame class
Former Orioles GM Pat Gillick makes the cut, while Marvin Miller and George Steinbrenner do not.
'We're not good enough on offense' - baltimoresun.com
Saw the headline at baltimoresun.com, and assumed it was about the Orioles. Ends up it's about the Ravens game. Huh.
Reynolds deal just tip of the iceberg for O's | orioles.com: News
"While the Orioles remain confident they will get a first baseman, it's likely they will shore up their bullpen first. Monday's trade sent two young arms out West, leaving the Orioles' bullpen extremely thin. Currently, the O's have eight relievers on their 40-man roster, but six are coming off major injuries in the past two years -- Rick VandenHurk is out of options and Pedro Viola spent last season in Double-A." Well, when you put it that way...
Steve Melewski: Kevin Towers quotes on the Reynolds trade
"I had a chance to see Mickolio in the Arizona Fall League. We had him up to 96 with a power sinker that plays to a right-handed hitter. David Hernandez has not only starting experience, but also has saved a couple of games, which is important to us." So Kevin Towers traded for Mickolio based on what he did in the AFL. Wow.
School of Roch: How does Reynolds trade impact Bell?
According to Roch, the plan was for Josh Bell to start in AAA next year anyway, and he was not going to compete for the ML 3B job, anyway.
New Orioles 3B Mark Reynolds talks to WNST's Rex Snider
In an interview conducted yesterday, Reynolds talks about moving to a new team and his injury last year. (you gotta scroll down a little)
Orioles Insider: The reported Koji Six, and a stroll around the lobby
"The word in Japan is the word we hear here: That Koji wants to return to Baltimore but he’d go elsewhere for a two-year deal. And it’s highly unlikely the Orioles offer him a multi-year contract." Why not a two-year deal? Seems a no-brainer to me.
Arizona Adds Mora | FanGraphs Baseball
"Merely hours after agreeing to deal Reynolds to Baltimore, Arizona added third baseman Melvin Mora on a one year, $2 million contract." So, Arizona thinks Mora is a an upgrade over Mark Reynolds? Really?
PressBox: Winter meetings predictions
Pete Kerzel gives his predictions on what will happen, although he guessed wrong an a few particulars of the Reynolds deal.
An Interview With Alex Anthopoulos | TheScore.com
A great interview of the Blue Jays' GM by Jonah Keri.
What is it you want, Mary? What do you want? You want the Open Thread? Just say the word and I'll throw a lasso around it and pull it down. Hey. That's a pretty good idea.
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re: Koji
Why not a two-year deal?
Because he’s old and injures himself when someone looks at him funny?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
and he's a reliever
with all the volatility inherent therein
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I'm not down with 3 years...
but I’d do 2.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Not sure that will get it done
If we have to go 2/$10 guaranteed, I’d do it. It’s just money, no draft picks.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
yeah seriously?
why is everyone so tight with angelos’ money? I’ll never get it. Koji’s burns are enough of a reason to give him 2 years.
What up?
by snakethejake on Dec 7, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is this the same Koji...
that people wanted to release last year after his Texas adventure? I was never for that, and I am not against resigning him, but jeez people. Half this sight wanted to cut bait and pay him to sit at home, now we’re talking 2 years at 10 mil? What happened?
Also, this wasnt really directed at Jake up there, just a reply to stay in the line of convo.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
No idea
I’m still only in favor of a one year deal. He’s already going to be getting way more than I think he’s worth.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
yeah i was going to say
i loved me some Koji, maybe a little frustrating at times, but as far as I can remember he always held a special place in my heart.
What up?
by snakethejake on Dec 7, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
It's damn cold out this morning.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
26 degrees when I drove the boy to school this morning.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Andy McPhail: "We're not done upgrading our offense"
I think he said this same exact thing lat year when they signed Atkins. I hope this doesn’t mean they are looking at Tejada again.
thankfully he already signed with the defending world champions
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Atkins is still available though.....
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
does that mean they move reynolds to first
and atkins will try his luck at 3rd? 2009 all over again…
konerko
so his BFF said there is no way K-no will go to baltimore. Adam Dunn himself said there is no way he would DH in the AL. money talks, BFF, money talks…
not that I want the O’s to beat the rumored 3yr – $12.5 per
Wiggy is just about to be a Rockie
Farewell, Admiral von Wiggenstein!
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
hope the rockies paid the all-star tax
the divide in the leagues has not been helped by this offseason so far. Moving to the AL: Reynolds, Dunn, Gonzalez. Moving to the NL: Putz, DH, and Wiggles. Advantage: AL
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I am shocked that Wiggy isn't going to be an Oriole next year
That’s what Andy MacPhail gets for being so deliberate!
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
GOD WHEN IS MACFAILURE GOING TO MAKE A MOVE
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
No chance of the playoffs
Without the Beav and Admiral Toersten
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Looks like 2/$7.5,
including the buyout on a third-year option.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Thank goodness! No more italicized font!
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Rotoworld columnist made an unintentionally funny comment about Bell
And the trade stunting his development. I had to write him to let him know he joule never make snide comments about something he has never watched. I mean, if you’re worried about Bell, you obviously haven’t watched an O’s game in well over a a full baseball season.
by KellRawLive on Dec 7, 2010 8:31 AM EST via mobile reply actions
So it seems Tsuyoshi Nishioka
is looking for a 3/$12 deal, meaning the cost to the Twins will be $15-$17 for those three years. Should we have been in on him?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
probably not if he can't play shortstop
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Right.
Did we ever hear whether the O’s thought he could? I thought I remembered them saying they did, but maybe not.
Definitely too much for a utility infielder, though, even if having the backup for B-Rob (just in case) would be comforting.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Lot of money for a possible backup though
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Yeah.
If I heard anyone from the O’s say, “We weren’t confident he could stick at short,” I’d understand not bidding. But if they thought he could, I don’t really get it.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
that they didn't bid I think tells you that they weren't confident
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Probably.
I just could’ve sworn I remembered them saying he could play short. Maybe I read something about them thinking that the other Japanese SS would be able to stick there, and I’m getting confused with that.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I really don't recall them saying anything concrete about the guy, sorry
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
maybe...
don’t think it’s worth it for kaz matsui or aki iwamura, but definitely worth it if he approached his npb numbers.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
is there real reason to think this guy is noticeably better than either of those guys?
I know his NPB numbers were fantastic, but the quality of the competition over there is somewhere around AAA. You don’t see us stumbling around trying to trade for IL sensation (and notable finalist for ugliest man in professional baseball) Shelley Duncan
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Wait, you're telling me Shelley Duncan is available and we haven't made an offer yet?
McFail will never get anything right.
no reason at all...
it could happen, but it seems to me that the odds are he’s closer to aki iwamura, who, iirc, the rays paid maybe in the 5-7 (total) million range for two years.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
sorry
but Lackey’s got that thing locked down until he retires
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
I've heard tell that Jorge Cantu is the winner
though he was not my choice.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Jorge Cantu is awful!
He looks like he was in a fire.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
You don't know that he wasn't
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Dear Jorge Cantu
If you were actually caught in a fire, I apologize. Although you probably shouldn’t have picked your zits so much as a lad because damn.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
his face looks like the surface of the moon
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
it's a serious condition...
known as “norv-face”.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 7, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
So, it's Day Two, let's talk about the "next item on the agenda"
which is…relievers! I’m gonna assume everyone wants Koji back, but ignoring him, list two relievers you think fit well on this team (two is arbitrary, I have no idea if more or less are in the cards for Bmore). Take whatever you need to into account. I will say Georgie and Kerry Wood, though I fully admit that those are almost purely sentimental moves.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
i like rauch...
looks and throws like a beast and i endorse a flat breezy reunion.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
I second Koji and Brim Reaper.
I’ll throw Chad Durbin’s name in the mix, but that’s also largely sentimentality.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Flat Breezy, Bobby Jenks
I want the fattest bullpen in history.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Bartolo Colon is a phone call away...
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
I would also like Kyle Farnsworth, just because.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
you'll need to swing a trade for another uggo finalist
and my girlfriend’s pick: Jonathon Broxton
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Wickman
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Can we bring back Sid Fernandez?
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 7, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
David Weathers
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
I would also, for sentimental reasons
like the Orioles to maybe sign Arthur Rhodes. Can you believe he was a type A? No arb offered though.
Ok so maybe not. He’s 41. But he’s Arthur Rhodes.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
and get Alan Mills on the phone, too, while we're at it
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I always thought he had a sweet 'stache.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
ah, yes...
the millstache.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 7, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
What are Terry Matthews
and Jesse Orosco up to these days?
I’d trust Orosco as a setup man in the 2011 season before I’d trust Alfredo Simon.
"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008
Adam Jones is the tits.
by KenDixonFanClub on Dec 7, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
But A-Train isn't fat!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Wiggy to Rockies a done deal
Fan Shot on front page with info from The Sun
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
fare thee well...
tyler buckingham von wigginton iii.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
I'll quote Scrubs here.
This is not coming from me, just sayin’…
“Did I pass out from the pain in my penis and suddenly we’re not in America anymore?”
Where are my shoelaces?
nothing will prepare you...
for the stern discipline of the baron!
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
minor league ball/sickels o's prospect list
for anyone that was on that thread yesterday (my account is not active yet)…
any thoughts on:
-michael ohlmann
-tyler henson
-greg miclat
are spoone and bascom just considered organizational fodder at this point?
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
Keep repeating that to yourself
When Mark is batting .220 with100 Ks, 3 walks and 24 HRs in June.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
3 walks?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
quite...
he walks a lot. would have led the o’s last year, i think.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
OK, 4
Look, I’m exaggerating for comical effect, work with me here.
At least we won’t have to worry about our 3B hitting into double plays anymore…
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
i posted this earlier
but despite the strikeouts, Reynolds hit more sacrifices than our third basemen last year, and indeed fewer DPs (by a wide margin), and indeed got on base more often. The only reason I can see the strikeouts being an issue is in how they affect sac flies and OBP, and Reynolds is a modest upgrade at both facilities. And a huge upgrade at power, obviously.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
that bbtf link above...
rates his chances of uncorking 30 rips at 70%.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
That seems low to me, given his history
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
it might have been...
“30+”
no one else was even close.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 7, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
prediction for 2011
Both Luke and Reynolds hit 30+ home runs.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Bold
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
And I'm taking the under on Luke.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
And speaking of...
Luke Reynolds…..
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
at first I read "Luke and Reimold"
THAT would have been bold.
I, too, will take the under on Luke.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I think it's just a matter of playing time.
If he’d had 610 PA the last two years, he’d have reached 30 HR in each.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
yeah, what he said
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I happen to agree with Luke
In ‘08 he hit 23 HR in 536 PA. In ’09 he hit 25 HR in 506 PA. In ’10 he hit 27 HR in 517 PA. If he can stay healthy for the whole year and play enough to get >600 PA, he’ll top 30 HR.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Is this a new Sabery-type stat?
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Buck's favorite, apparently
Seriously, a dude from ESPN emailed that link to Stacey to make sure we wouldn’t miss it. Because I totally would have.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
That's right
People from ESPN email me.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I was impressed, I will admit
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
they email me too.
just sayin’ ;)
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
True, true
They email me and you. They do not email duck.
Bummed it didn’t work out to see you while you were in town :(
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
still here.
just embroiled. you have no idea. leaving for DC this afternoon. sigh.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
no, scratch that, i lied
dude only emailed stacey, and i saw her reply
she is the chosen one.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
No he emailed you
I noticed because we were both on it and duck wasn’t. I only CC’d duck on the reply, you were already there.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
ahh.
then teh ESPN is IN MY SPAM FILTER. taste that, bitches.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I am SOOO fucking pissed right now...
That’s it zk, you’re doing Bird Droppings on my days from now on, since you’re SOOOOOOO important.
I’ll be whimpering in the corner if you need me.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
ZK gets ESPN email, you get to go on the radio...
I can handle things! I’m smart! Not like everybody says… like dumb… I’m smart and I want respect!
OK, maybe that’s the not the quote I should have gone with…
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
it's just because his name is at the top.
or maybe you’ve been blackballed for shit talking the OH.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Damn, there is that.
Guess it’s my own fault, then. Even is ZK was waaaaaaaaay nastier to OH than I ever was. And don’t get me started on JP has written about them.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
did you read...
that thing on masn w/ jim presley? i think he expressed something similar, albeit not as colorful.
fwiw, jim IS related to elvis, the king.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
i read presley give two interviews
and all I got was conflicting information. In the first: “We want to cut down on our strikeouts, make sure we make contact on two strikes, work on two out hitting”. In the second: “I’m not at all worried about his strikeouts”.
Uh, okay?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
He's worried about everyone else's strikeouts, aside from Reynolds.
Yeah, that’s it.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
agreed
I really don’t like the guaranteed second year, and I hope the warehouse doesn’t budge on that. It’s a totally unnecessary risk.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
we need relievers
there’s, what eight or nine on the roster? and two of them are named Vanden Hurk and Viola. I’d like a one year deal but I don’t think he’ll bite.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed, a favorable contract would be better, but if that's what it takes..
Then keep our draft picks, shift the focus back to my dream world where we get lucky with a moderate upgrade at SS and maybe land a 1B Willingham / Scott at DH/1B depth setup… That’d be pretty nice :)
Viola will not be here to start the season
You can quote me on that.
And having a reliever under contract means nothing if he isn’t pitching. He’s not worth a guaranteed second year. Give him tons of incentives and he’ll sign the one year with an option.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
I love how Wigginton is always noted by the Bmore scribes as "versatile"
he’s versatile the same way that I’m productive at work right now.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
So you're being less than productive at 3 tasks right now?
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
not to mention the other 6 tasks that I'm totally unqualified for!
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I'm kinda liking taking a random day off in the middle of the week
OK, it does has a purpose, but it is kinda nice.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
From Buster Olney
There is a growing speculation among rival agents and executives that the Washington Nationals are going to throw a HUGE number at Cliff Lee
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
did he then go on to mention some more pertinent information in the next four tweets?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
no way
I just laughed a guy out of the room for suggesting that the Nats could snag Cliff Lee
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
i dunno...
i’m guessing they offered 7 years, as seems to be their m.o. this offseason. a rotation of lee, zimmerman and strasburg is pretty tough, but where’s their offense w/o dunn and willingham?
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 7, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
they have Werth, Zimmerman...uhhhhh...
yeah I don’t know. do as the Giants do?
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Pudge! They have Pudge!
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
And Nyjer!!! They have Nyjer!!!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Roger Bernadina?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
two huge 7 year mega-deals in one offseason..
And if Lee is asking for 7, and has an “aggressive” NYY in the mix, you gotta figure it’ll take near that. Maybe they’ll flip us Willingham for just cash after that, heh.
Zimmermann will be back in 2011, right? He just had TJ?
And Stras will be back in 2012. That would be pretty sick rotation provided Zimmermann pans out.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Zimmermann is already back
He pitched at the end of last season and rather effectively.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
oh did he?
And now you see how much I pay attention to the Nats :)
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
they'll ruin him
mark my words. it took a whole lot of mis-managing to fuck up Strasburg.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Um..no
Don’t just make stupid comments to hear yourself talk.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
that
was an attempt at humor.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
I don't believe you.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Me, neither
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
yikes
I don’t think they actually mis-managed Strasburg, they were very careful with him, the surgery was unfortunate and I’m sure that it wasn’t planned…it was just a jab at how futile they’ve been as a franchise.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
i dunno...
given a choice, i’d have taken stan kasten over macphail. since kasten came in and handcuffed and ultimately sacked bowden, they’ve done a decent job in the front office.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 7, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Yes...all 5 years of the franchise.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
there's a reason they left Montreal
they were awful there too right?
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
All of the blame for the Nats leaving Montreal....
…can be placed on three people:
Jeffrey Loria
Omar Minaya
and Bud Selig
well that may be true
but they were a terrible team in Montreal nonetheless
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
its not like they got better in DC
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
exactly
they suck, it was a jab at their total inability to maintain nice things, by their fault or someone else’s
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
They were good until the 94 strike where they started losing a ton of money. Once that happened, they had to get rid of everybody good.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Really?
Where exactly was the humor in that statement?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think that's true
I’m not an expert by any means, but TJ is a very common thing for pitchers to need, especially I’ve heard for those that throw as hard and with as much break on their stuff as Strasburg.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Strasburg was a TJ surgery waiting to happen
Look at his motion. Some scouts were quietly saying the same things to their clubs before he was drafted. It was just a matter of when he’d need it, not if.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
This is lame.
I refuse to believe that the Nationals (and sadly, the O’s) are even remotely in the race for Lee. If he doesn’t re-sign with Texas, he’ll be in pinstripes. Sad, but true.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Heyman is reporting the same thing
that the Nats are gonna offer him seven years.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I wonder how much of this is actual substance
and how much is having dozens of reporters in the same room at the same time trying to connect loose dots
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Much more the latter than the former
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Can you believe Heyman now says:
Cliff Lee has at least one seven-year offer for $20-25 million (not from the Nationals). The Yankees have been intending to stay at six years, tops.
Who in the hell is going to offer him that?
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
who even has that kind of surplus cash on hand and the stupidity to spend it like that?
the Marlins?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Odd, isn't it?
But how in the hell do the Marlins go from being the team that perfected the art of the destroy/rebuild on the cheap to spending money like it is going out of style?
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
maybe the Cubbies?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
That was my thought
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
It's clearly the Baltimore Orioles.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Lying in the weeds!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
sounds like someone is lying through their teeth
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Yea....so I forgot the "a"
What are you gonna do about it?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
pinstripes
so you mean like the Marlins?
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
or the rockies
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Nah...they just signed Thomas von Baron de Wigglestein
They can’t afford Lee.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
wiggy in pinstripes at last
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
they're very slimming.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 7, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
But I like that the Nats are reportedly throwing together some ridiculous 7 year deal
That means that if the Yankees get him, they will pay more in years and $ than they want to. Not that either matters to the Yankees, but I just can’t wait until they have put a geriatric ward into the clubhouse for all the billionaire geezers they’ll have.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
Eventually, their DL list will take up a significant part of their 40 man
Then we can raid them during the Rule V draft!
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
But ask yourself this one question:
Did you see the Nationals offering Tex more money than the Yankees? Or them blowing Werth out of the water so early in the meetings?
Ok. That was two questions.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Guys, if the Nats sign Cliff Lee, I'm seriously going to cry.
And I’m not ashamed to admit it.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 7, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
You'd rather he end up on the Yankees?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
If he ain't coming to the O's
I’d rather he go to the NL
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Why not?
We destroy him.
(I’m kidding. Mostly.)
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
You take that back right now!
If he signs with the Yankees and shuts us down 4 times next year, expect I’ll be outside your place with with a hoard of angry O’s fans, torches, and pitchforks.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Yeesh.
Not worth the trip to north Jersey, man…
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Oh...I take that back then
If I don’t have a good reason to go to Jersey, I ain’t going.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
It makes sense, even if it sucks, if he ends up going to the Yankees.
You know what I mean? “Oh, well, the Yankees offered more money than we ever could have.”
If he goes to the Nats, I can’t comfort myself with that knowledge.
"One way to lower a flag to half-mast is just to lower the flag. There's another way, though. You can raise the pole to like twice its original height." - Infinite Jest
by Eat More Esskay on Dec 7, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
The Nats are aiming to win the World Series this year
with Zimm, Stras, a couple of old Phillies, and, well, Nationals. Good luck, guys.
They may, however, reach .500 before us.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Strasburg won't be pitching this year.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Who are the old Phillies (other than Werth)?
See also: Strasburg is out this season
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Lee
and I forgot about Stras, thanks.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Oh...good point
Every time I think of Lee, I think Yankees…..I mean Rangers….I mean……shit!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
or Mariners.....or Indians....or Expos....
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Why we should resign Koji
Because then we’re less likely to sign a Type-A free agent reliever to replace DH…
That's a pretty compelling argument
What other non-Type A FA is better than Koji that’s available?
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Let's sign Koji's burns to replace DH
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I don't have insider
Law has an article about the value of Reynolds to the O’s, but I can’t read it.
Oh…and the Rockies adding Wigginton has made the ESPN frontpage.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
KLaw liked the deal for us
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
summary
D-Backs sold Reynolds when his value was at its lowest. Here’s the money shot.
Reynolds is not a great everyday player; he has plus-plus raw power, at least a 70 on the 20-80 scale, but obviously has contact problems, while decent breaking stuff kills him — and he’ll see a lot of that facing good pitching in the AL East. He’s not a good defensive third baseman and never will be. But he’s a more valuable player than he showed in 2010, when his batting average on balls in play was more than 100 points below his career average through 2009; if he just gets that half of that back — odds are he’ll get more — he’ll be useful and will have more trade value next winter than he did in this one.
He goes to say it’s a mediocrity for mediocrity trade.
Spewing negativity.
No
That’s you saying it’s a mediocrity for mediocrity trade. He’s saying that Reynolds had an off year and is way more valuable than his season shows.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
No, he says, "Reynolds is not a great everyday player;"
And then in the next paragraph he talks about Mickolio and Hernandez. He says nothing bad but nothing great.
Spewing negativity.
He says nothing bad but nothing great.
Yes…because that’s what mediocre means.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
No...that's not what it implies
You can be above-average and still not be great. That, by no means, implies that you are mediocre.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
fine,
i have no clue why you’re so damn angry at me about this. while i prefer DH over reynolds, i don’t even hate this trade.
Spewing negativity.
i think hes just angry about reimold
and taking it out on you.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
now that's a trade worth getting angry about
and i think k-law’s overall point is that he thought it was a fair exchange of talent, which i agree with.
Spewing negativity.
way more valuable than his season shows.
and no again. what he said is this.
But he’s a more valuable player than he showed in 2010
you added the hyperbole.
Spewing negativity.
Who the fuck cares?
It holds the same meaning. You’re just trying to pick this apart for no reason other than to prove you’re correct. What exactly is your end game?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
look dude, i posted k-law's article that because i wanted to do something nice
instead, you had to complain about my description. so who cares if i describe reynolds, mick, and DH as mediocre talent. is that such an unfair description?
Spewing negativity.
From the Anthopoulos interview
Keri: While doing my reporting for The Extra 2%, I asked [Baltimore Orioles president of baseball operations] Andy MacPhail about strategies for competing in the AL East against teams like the Yankees and Red Sox. One thing he said was so blunt, it really surprised me. He said free agent starting pitchers just will not sign with an AL East team that’s not New York or Boston. Do you buy that?
Anthopoulos: What I would say is a starting pitcher would not come to the AL East at comparable dollars. I’m a big, "How can we?" guy. I don’t believe in absolutes, that you can’t do this or that. Everybody has a price, the question is do you want to pay that price. If it comes down to straight market value of a player, a lot of players may elect to go elsewhere. With the Yankees and Red Sox, they may just outbid other clubs, like the Yankees did with Sabathia, and other clubs don’t have the financial wherewithal to beat their bid. If an elite starter is coming into the AL East, those clubs can go more dollars and years, it’s just a matter of if they choose to do that.
I am not deterred by financial statements, though. I’m more deterred by the brains of every other GM in this division. They have all won. They’ve all won division titles, they have all been to the World Series, they’re all incredibly bright. That’s much more challenging. In business, is it the company or the leadership of a company that matters most? Most people would say it’s the leadership. As much as you look at the front of the jersey, it’s who’s making the decisions that can make or break a team.
Competing with those GMs, that’s the daunting challenge. Many teams have proven that they can win while spending less money, strictly due to the management of the club. Put these four GMs in another division–taking nothing away from other GMs in the game–but put these four in another division and I’d say that becomes of the harder divisions as well. It’s compounded by resources, sure. But that doesn’t concern me nearly as much as the intelligence of these guys.
thx for posting it.
Librarians are hiding something
I like Anthopoulos a lot
I hate that.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I like Keri a lot, too
and Andy’s totally right. I’ll say it again and again: last free agent pitcher of consequence from outside the organization was Jimmy Key, 15 years ago.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
what?!
rick helling? omar daal?
uh, seriously, though…geez.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 7, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
anytime there’s an omar daal reference
What up?
by snakethejake on Dec 7, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Pat Hentgen, Russ Ortiz, Steve Trachsel (part II), and Adam Eaton
would like a word with you.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
...and even that was from another AL East team
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Who were the Orioles playing
that time that Wiggy was at third and a runner got thrown out there and started to argue, and Wiggy got up in the runner’s face all “Sit down! You’re out! Go back to the dugout!”
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Texas...
Neftali Feliz I believe…
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Or Nelson Cruz...
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it was Texas
Pretty sure it was Andres Blanco
What up?
by snakethejake on Dec 7, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
So I'm on mlb.com looking for a video of Wiggy
And I go to the “Top Plays” section for the Orioles, and the third top play is titled, “Squirrel races around Oriole Park.” Sad.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I'm starting to think that Cliff Lee will be in a Nationals uniform by the end of Winter Meetings.
Didn’t he say that he would go wherever gave him the most money?
Where are my shoelaces?
I almost hate him for that
Almost. Of course, I’d probably get over that if the O’s offered him the most money.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
What gets to me
And obviously I’ve never dealt with money at this kind of level, but it seems to me that once you have a certain number of millions, aren’t there other things that you’d want to do? You’re already going to have more money than you can spend. Cliff Lee has been to the World Series the last two seasons but he hasn’t won. Don’t you think he’d rather go someplace that can offer him the chance to actually win one over a few more million to play in DC?
Everyone says that the most money will bring a player to a team and I guess that’s true, but I guess it just seems to me like so much money no matter which deal you take that you’d want to win also.
PS Cliff Lee, if you’re reading this, Baltimore TOTALLY has a chance for the playoffs next year. Mark Reynolds!
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Plus the Yankees spit on your wife.
Maybe Jedi mind tricks will work…….“The Yankees aren’t the team you’re looking for!!”
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Move along, move along.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I can't say whether it's right or wrong
Just the way I think I’d feel in the same situation. If that’s what is really important, then so be it.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I think it boils down to
some guys want to win above all else, and some guys treat baseball as a job that they love. Lee is gonna dominate no matter where he goes – and he’s seen a lot of postseason success, even though he’s fallen just short of winning it all twice – so maybe’s content to doing his best for whichever team gives him the most money. That’s my armchair crackerjack analysis.
I think it's really dumb that teams are offering 6-7 year contracts to a 32-year-old pitcher.
Sure, he’s one of the best, but think about the production decline.
Where are my shoelaces?
Pretty sure they know that
Look at the NHL. Some of those guys are signed until they’re like 45 years old. Like they are actually going to be playing.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Jamie Moyer is apparently having TJ to try to play next year
I love you Jamie, but it might be time to give it up.
He's having TJ to try and play in 2012
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
so... first base..
Konerko wants 15 mil/year (from the white sox), and the nats apparently want something absurd for Willingham.
What up?
Adam LaRoche!
Adam LaRoche!
Adam LaRoche!
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I wouldn't be surprised if they made an offer at this point
Reuniting him and Reynolds
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
bring us the rock!
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 7, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'd want something absurd for Willingham too
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
like a monkey in a cowboy suit?
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 7, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Two of them at least
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Dec 7, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
OT: Interesting Name Change
Captain Awsome means: right arrow, smiley face, left arrow. I was expecting thumb, this guy, thumb but maybe that was taken.
I am not sure if I like this one...
danconnollysun: #Orioles and #Rays swap of Jason Bartlett for Nolan Reimold is heating up. One source expects it to happen today, [via Twitter]
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
Ugh.
Do not like.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Reimold is worth more than Bartlett to me.
This is dumb, dumb, dumb.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Let me fix that for you
Reimold is worth more than Bartlett
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I wonder if something more could be coming back our way?
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
aw, shit...
did they say bartlett? they MEANT brignac.
i wish.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
I'd jump on that
Bartlett for Reimold: Buy high, sell low
Brignac for Reimold: Approved
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
BOOO!
major dislike.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 7, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
this is meh
if Reimold never ends up panning out because of injuries or whatever, big whoop, we’ve got a SS until Machado gets here, but if he ends up with a .340 OBP and 25 homers I’m going to be pissed.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
i'd be cool...
if it were for hardy, though.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Dec 7, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
You mean we have a shortstop until the end of this year?
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
What the fuck?
The market for Bartlett seems to have dried up. Why give up Reimold for him? Go see what the Cards want for Brendan Ryan.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Dec 7, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously
Oh, you wanted the reliever we just traded away? Here, let me give you this young, cheap, full of potential (possibly) every day player instead. It’s cool. No big deal.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
sonuvabitch orioles
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
James F, is that you?
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Not funny?
I’ll go back to my room.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
I an apparently the not funny one
I was just throwing the old James F sigh out there for added effect
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
We got signals crossed...
I completely forgot about his standard response to just about everything. It’s been a long week.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Also, this isn't in the movie script. Therefore it cannot happen.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
How will this impact the movie?
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
I am not happy about this.
What the fuck is MacPhail thinking?
by LoveForTheGame13 on Dec 7, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
The only thing I can think of is...
we are the mystery team offering 7/175 for Lee… and we are going to trade a Britton package for Fielder + extension. We are trying to win this year.
Lineup:
1. Roberts
2. Markakis
3. Scott
4. Fielder
5. Reynolds
6. Jones
7. Matsui
8. Weiters
9. Bartlett
Bench
1. Pie
2. Andino
3. Tatum
4. Fox
Rotation
1. Lee
2. Guthrie
3. Matusz
4. Arietta
5. Bergesen/Tillman
Bullpen
1. Koji
2. Berken
3. Simon
4. Gonzalez
5. Johnson
6. Vanden Hurk
7. LOOGY
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
Apologies for spelling Wieters wrong...
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
No, it's my bad... I should proofread
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
It's going to be sad when I have to replace it...
I was looking through my old photos for a picture of me as a small child wearing Orioles gear… unfortunately most pictures of toddler version of me wearing an O’s shirt are mostly covered by Osh Kosh overalls… wtf parents?!? I did stumble instead across a 3 year old me wearing an Admiral Ackbar shirt… that will have to suffice.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
-1 for Matsui
interesting concept though
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
Pie over Matsui
Also, if Simon is in my bullpen again, I will have to give Buck a piece of my mind.
by LoveForTheGame13 on Dec 7, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
OK, I don't really like him anyway
Put in Pie, and dump Matsui… I was trying to tie in all of today’s rumors. I don’t think Matsui would sign to ride the pine, even if he is 37. We would have to pick up a 4th OF.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
Oh, I missed the Matsui rumor
was wondering where that came from ;)
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
isn't a barlett a free agent after the season?
dumb trade. just sign him as a free agent after the season.
Spewing negativity.
Yeah, and we'd get to go to arb for this year
coming off of a $4M season, after a fluky 2008 where he magically found 150 points of OPS, and then lost it again.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
super dumb
Reimold should be on the Orioles next year, platooning with Scott and/or Pie.
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Dec 7, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, I figured it out!
We’re dropping Reimold for Bartlett because Reimold just lost a ton of value in this organization. Why you ask? Because we just locked up Crawford. Also, Crawford agreed to a 10 year, zero dollar deal because he knows Baltimore will win the next 10 WS’s and he wants to be a part of that, but only if he can bring along his best friend Bartlett.
Makes much more sense now.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
:/
not moldy!!!
It’s the Ric Flair Theory of baseball – To be the man, you gotta beat the man. -duck
by Parkinglotninja on Dec 7, 2010 12:51 PM EST reply actions
just read a tweet from @susanslusser
that said orioles have interest in matsui but he would rather play for a contender. jsyk
It’s the Ric Flair Theory of baseball – To be the man, you gotta beat the man. -duck
Bahahaha
He sucks. Why would a contender want him?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Skins Fans:
Fat Albert has been suspended by the team for the remainder of the season. Happy Holidays!
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Check the SBNation front page for the story.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Like we all didn't see this coming in training camp.
The Skins had an offer for a 4th from TEN that they probably could’ve gotten them to sweeten with a 6th or a 7th next year. Now, we get nothing.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
cursed.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
This sorta makes me happy that he was stupid enough to
take less money to play in DC instead of taking the larger $ in TB.
A tidbit for your reading pleasure:
The Orioles have had talks with the Brewers for Fielder, tweets Dan Connolly of the Baltimore Sun. He says they’re only talks right now, and the O’s would want an extension before giving up young pitching for Fielder. Haudricourt says these talks did not go beyond preliminary discussions.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 1:24 PM EST reply actions
parts...
britton, adams and pelzer, said one scribe.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
yeah, right
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Based on the Gonzalez trade
Milwaukee probably can’t expect to get too much in return.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
PS
I hate the idea of Fielder coming here.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
But...sexy?
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
well the Sox gave up three of top 10 prospects in their system.
And their farm is a lot better than ours. So if the return would be similar for Fielder, we’d probably have to give up our very top prospects, like Britton, Avery, and Hoes, plus maybe Erbe or another pitcher.
if I'm the Brew Crew, that's probably not getting it done
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
yeah, probably true.
Our farm system has fallen a long way. What would you think of adding Arrieta to that deal? iirc they want major league ready pitching.
(not that I would ever make that trade, it’d truly be gutting the O’s rotation at this point)
Arrieta Britton Hoes and Avery?
still not seeing it, but that’s definitely more than they’d get with draft picks if he walks.
And I’m against trading L.J. Hoes for anyone.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I just don't get the L.J. Hoes love
I know, I only saw him in person for a handful of games, but man, he looked LOST at the plate at Delmarva when I saw him.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
So what you are saying is...
You don’t love them Hoes?
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
To wit:
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
LJ HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOESSSSSS
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
You obviously didn't see Hoes score from first on a bunt
in the bottom of the ninth to win the most epic game in the history of the Frederick Keys. Don’t worry, I didn’t see it either. I heard it. From the bathroom. Fucking beer.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Frederick's a 3.5 hour drive for me
Yeah, don’t see too many Keys games
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
I don't blame you.
Just referencing the awesomeness that was game 1 of the playoffs this year.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think that was the only game they won in the series
And we were there to see it! Well, you weren’t.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
it was the best
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I can't believe I missed the end.
I will never forget that first inning though.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
longest home run ever
and from the number nine guy who just saw his career peak and fade into denounment
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
15 runs in the first frame too.
If that HR didn’t hit the top of the second wall it was easily going 500ft. It hit the top of a wall 10 feet past the 400 foot center field wall and wasn’t coming downward yet. Of course I was drunk by then (considering the top of the first took 45 minutes that isn’t too bad) so that may be slightly innacurrate.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
only slightly
it was insane! The only thing more insane was the sac bunt with a runner at first game winning RBI starring L.J.
(inhales)
Hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
ooooooooooooooooes
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Sheesh.
Rub it in why don’t ya?
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
that was one exciting baseball game, for sure.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Can Pelzer be traded
Without being subject to the Rule 5 as long as he is on the Brewers 40 man?
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Dec 7, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
he'd have to be traded as a PTBNL
and then sent after the draft
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
So I'm assuming he would still be eligible for the Rule 5.
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Dec 7, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
This Reimold trade concept feels a lot like the Tillman for Reynolds rumor
and as such I would be a little dumbfounded if it comes to fruition.
Oh, yeah, and incredibly angry.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Yeah, for sure.
MacPhail says he only makes trade if we get an equal, or greater, value in return. I think this move heavily favors TB.
by LoveForTheGame13 on Dec 7, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
and it's not even remotely close
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I would just as well keep Reimold...
…and sign Christian Guzman. (I never thought I would advocate signing Christian Guzman.)
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Dec 7, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
heck
Reimold + Izturis > Barlett
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Noooooo
Do not want!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
If it came down to Izturis v Guzman...
…I’m going with the bad player I don’t know well.
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Dec 7, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, i'm calling BS on that
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Dec 7, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
New rumor
per mlbtr has the Orioles on Kenshin Kawakami. Heard it was Arrieta for Kawakami straight up.
Just kidding. It’d probably be a player dump, without the Orioles paying much of anything.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Dammit!
I was just trying to get this linked up here and everything and sure enough you come along and stole my thunder. It’s ok that you took my name, but this…this is unforgivable!
j/k
Choice quote from Connolly:
The Braves are looking to shed some payroll while making room for their young starters while the Orioles would like to add a veteran to help take some pressure away from its young stable of pitchers.
Looks like we’ve found our future mentor!
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Fine:
he’s our future Steve Trachsel.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Connolly has ATL sending some salary
I hope we don’t give up anything of real value here.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
Ugh
please tell me I’m missing something good in his peripherals..he looks horrible.
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
by NewYorkOriole on Dec 7, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I think he was injured last year which may have affected his performance
or he could just be plain ole shitty.
Spewing negativity.
Maybe the Atlanta heat got to him
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
his profiteroles are delicious, I hear
only thing that bugs me are his walks allowed, which would probably skyrocket in the AL East, but to get him for free would be a solid gamble type move.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
by Andrew_G on Dec 7, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He looks solidly average
aside from his W-L. 1.4 WHIP, 94 ERA+ in 2 MLB seasons
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
Ugh
Stay away unless we give up next to nothing for him (even that might be a little much). If he’s in black and orange, I foresee Tillman taking his spot in the rotation after several starts.
by LoveForTheGame13 on Dec 7, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
I hate when i go to trader joe's and they have everything i need but one thing
this seems to happen all the time
But you can't even hate going to Trader Joe's though.
Even if they’re missing something, I still love going to that place.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
it's not the stuff you need that they don't have...
it’s the stuff they do have that you don’t need that always gets me.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
Right, but i'm making something specific
and i’m debating how necessary that one thing is. It’d be way easier if they just had everything i need.
what are you making?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
nice
I myself keep a bag of butchered chicken bones in my freezer and it is very nearly to capacity….
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I need to start doing that
but i really wanted to do this today, so i just roasted a whole chicken last night for the remains and supplemented with fresh wings to get up to the weight i needed
fwiw...
and, mind you, i enjoy roasting a bird, but giant super has a two fresh-roasted chickens for $10 deal on fridays. great in a pinch.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
hey, im doing the same basic thing tomorrow
AB’s leftover turkey soup recipe, but with chicken
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
and while i'm waiting on the stock
i just made some awesome wings with sriracha instead of normal hot sauce
What does TJs not have that you would need for stock?
I’ve done that before and I’m pretty sure they have everything I’d normally put in it.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
They usually do.....
But I haven’t looked in ages.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Trader Joe's...
is a funny place, as they are always out of something. Generally it is because they don’t actually have their own brand – they typically purchase items made at generic food suppliers intended for other stores (Whole Foods, etc.) that are either fast approaching expiration or are to be discontinued. It may have changed in the years since I left that industry, but I always thought it funny when people would tell me they preferred item X at TJ’s over WF as it was often the same.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't been on the up and up these past couple weeks.
Is there any shot at Derrick Lee? What are people saying?
I can't remember any specific discussions regarding Lee going anywhere as of yet.
The A-Gonz trade and the early rumors of a possible Fielder trade have taken all the focus.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
I don't know what to make of this besides WTF
#Rays are talking w/O’s on Bartlett, and it’s about more than Reimold.
blockbuster 8 player trade anyone?
let’s see:
Rays get: Reimold, Tillman, Johnson, Bell, Luke Scott and two PTBNL
Orioles get: Bartlett
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
by Andrew_G on Dec 7, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this is really bad...
the fuck is going on?
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
on all honesty
I highly doubt MacPhail is going to all of a sudden become the worst trader in baseball. His history is too good at this kind of thing.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Yeah...
I mean you don’t GM the pants off of Bavasi and Wade only to get schnookered over the likes of Jason Bartlett.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with Andrew
he’ll work something out to be more favorable. maybe we get a prospect for Reimold along with Bartlett? I really have no idea what he’s worth right now.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
That's probably it.
Still sucks, if you ask me. Another 1 yr rental and god knows what from TB’s farm (although they have a deep one) in exchange for a guy who really needs at least another 1/2 season of evaluation? Watch Nolan go Werth on us…
"They're throwing bottles at your house...Come one, let's go break their arms." - Henry Fool
by Fahrenheit 451 on Dec 7, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Werth was Reimold before Reimold was
I see this move biting us in the ass. hard.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Not quite
Werth was a catching prospect when we dealt him.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I'll rec this
till the fucking doors fall off.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
That's good! It means they're talking about other options than Reimold in a 1 for 1
Right?…. right?
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Dec 7, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
VIOLA!!!1!!!
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
It can only mean Longo is on his way to B-more!
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
well...
stevehenson333:
More Madden lauds Brignac as one of the best fielding SSs in baseball. Bye bye Bartlett, you are already gone in Maddens mind
So why would the o’s give them something valuable for something they no longer see as valuable?
What up?
Please don't tell me that you're being sarcastic...
I need some good news today.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
he's probably being serious
say what you will about his politics, he’s a terrific public speaker
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
i just meant he's kind of ranting
“People are saying that I haven’t done shit but I’ve passed a health care bill that blah blah blah.”
Spewing negativity.
Thats what i was afraid of
rather than tear apart the republicans for bankrupting the country to benefit the richest 2% in the country, he’s going after his own party for being too mean to him.
I never would have thought two years ago i’d say this, but i’m looking forward to the 2012 primary.
politics really complicate things
I’m not too thrilled with this whole “bail out Europe” thing
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
I blame the World Cup committee.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Right...
because we’re actually doing that.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
um
we are. the federal reserve is lending a sizable amount of money to the ECB as a result of their crummy economy.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
I hate to tell you this...
but you want that to be the case. If the dollar is no longer the preferred currency for reserves or lending – we’re shitfucked.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 8, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Glad you weren't around in 1946
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
the primary?
there won’t be a serious democratic primary, will there?
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I'm thinking there will be
Not enough that he’ll lose, but I’m expecting (and hoping) that someone’s gonna push him hard enough to the left that may he’ll grow a pair in his second term.
no...
there will not be. his approval numbers in the majority of his 2008 coalition are pretty well in tact. talk of a serious primary challenge is a joke unless the economy gets worse, then he’s toast.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
You mean the Unicorns?
I’m starting to suspect that the hunt for the Independent vote is going to doom the political process far worse than any partisanship. If you’re an anti-tax/government spending type, don’t muddy it up by signing off on huge expansions (without requisite revenue increases) to Medicare benefits for the Olds.
Indpendents may leave him in the off-cycle elections, but whether or not they come back will depend largely on who’s running on the other side in 2012.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
hey, I'm offended by that
I do too exist!
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Hehe..
You get my point though – most people that are active participants in the political process will come to have a default party of affiliation even if they try to stay out of the two party construct.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
like...
“who do you caucus with?”
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
true
I do my best to not get involved in political conversations. Mostly people get offended when all I try to do is zing whoever’s talking…and it’s rarely ever actually funny to boot.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
nope...
overall, it’s still about 54-46 (i think).
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
No - not unless Hillary really wants to end her career in elected politics.
He’s polling 80% approval among his base – complaints from the more progressive elements aside. Not to mention the fact that it isn’t like you can put faith in a Clinton to not triangulate her/his way towards the center.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Any progressive made at Obama
sure as hell ain’t pining for Hillary Clinton to run.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
made = mad
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
you'd think so...
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
I wanted O over Hillary
until he became her when he took office. If I wanted Hillary Clinton’s health care plan, I’d have voted for her in the primaries.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Looking back on it now I'm trying to decide who would be a better president.
Hillary or Barack…and I’m leaning Hillary. She’s a much stronger presence and I’m confident she would have communicated with the American public better and kept the Democrats in power. The main problem with Obama is that he doesn’t communicate what he’s doing very well, even though a lot of what he’s doing is very good.
Where are my shoelaces?
guh?
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
bill inherited a declining economy as well
hiillary wasn’t the president obviously, but she was certainly an important player in the administration.
Spewing negativity.
All due respect...
Hillary’s “job” in that administration was taking the fall on healthcare and trying to raise a “normalish” daughter when daddy was busy getting it on with interns.
That said, I give her no credit for creating the .com bubble that greatly benefited her husband’s issues with the economy but will say that she didn’t/doesn’t deserve all the personal attacks.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
pretty much...
not to mention, the h.w. bush recession was a drop in the bucket compared to the w. bush recession AND wjc left a recession, to boot.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
Ironically I don't mind that he (O) caved
on the extension for the tax cuts, especially with the unemployment extensions and what not – the estate tax is what kills me. Every reputable economist will tell you that it doesn’t do anything stimulative whatsoever.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
strikes me as a pretty reasonable deal...
given, y’know, reality.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
I’m confident she would have communicated with the American public better and kept the Democrats in power.
What the what?
Hillary is a terrible communicator. It’s the #1reason Obama beat her in the primaries.
And progressive Democrats can’t stand her for good reason. She’s Republican light.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I'm very progressive.
I like a lot of what Obama’s doing. Of course, there are things I hate, like lifting the moratorium on offshore drilling therefore welcoming a BP part deux. The reason his approval ratings have taken a nose-dive is because he can’t communicate. He’s awful at it. If the American public KNEW what he was doing, then I think things wouldn’t be so bad. But he’s not helping most of us understand that.
I’m not sure who would do a better job, but I’m leaning Hillary.
Where are my shoelaces?
It is entirely possible
that the American public does understand what he’s doing and doesn’t like it.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Yes, it is.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
this
he ran a very smooth campaign and talked up a whole lot of stuff he was thinking of doing, but hasn’t really been able to deliver. I know, it sounds cliche that he hasn’t done anything, but it seems like the most glaring issue was the economy and here we are sending boatloads of money to Europen. no one could have pulled this economy out of the place that it was at, but people seemed to believe he could do it because he made it seem possible.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Um, if you say no one could then who would you like in his place?
Dubya? The guy who got us into this mess? Yeah, that sounds like a great idea. Give the man some time. Who in their right mind thinks someone can fix 8 years of failure in 2 years?
Where are my shoelaces?
I said no one could do it
but the way he ran things, people really wanted to buy into this whole “change” shtick that hasn’t exactly panned out.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
read dailykos
it’ll change your thinking
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
this.
this, this, this.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
The whole problem with that last statement is that historically anyone who challenges a presidential incumbent in the primary and wins
loses in the general election.
And anyway, who are we going to pit against Obama? Feingold? Yeah, that will end well.
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Obama for another term?
that will end well…this country is screwed due to lack of qualified candidates
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody - and I mean nobody - is "qualified" to be President.
More qualified than others, sure. But nobody in my time in this town has ever once shown a preternatural ability to be President.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
And you're side's ready to offer up Sarah Palin?????
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
DAMMIT you're = your
I KNOW THAT! I DO!!!!
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
the hucking and jivin' arkansas preacher!
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
Who wants to make sure health insurance companies can legally discriminate
Fuck that guy.Compared people with pre-existing medical conditions to condemned buildings torched for insurance money. He really did.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
he's palin w/ a cv and a smile...
daniels is the only guy that doesn’t make me want to rip my ears off and claw out my eyes.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
I bought his schtick for about 2 months in 2008
Then he showed his true colors.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
daniels or huck?
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
aw...
sucker for the fender p bass?
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
You know I was
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
heh...
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
that's a weird position for him to take
given that he has a pre-existing condition and all (diabetes)
It wouldn't apply to HIM, silly!
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Everyone agrees that Palin is a moron.
I love how democrats think that republicans love her for some reason.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Not all Republicans hate her.
There’s a house down the street from me that still hangs their Sarah! banner from their window.
Where are my shoelaces?
And some democrats only voted for Obama because he is black.
There are retards all across the board.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
That argument doesn't hold very much water
Considering the black electorate in this country is heavily Democratic anyway.
Where are my shoelaces?
Right
but I’m talking about black and white. I know many black people that said they didn’t care about either candidates platform they were voting for Obama no matter what. I also know white people who either voted for Obama or didn’t vote at all because they were afraid people would think they were racist if they voted for McCain.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
And I knew some whites that weren't voting for no....
well, you can probably figure out the last word.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Of course.
I was just trying to prove that there are idiots on both sides of center.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
There are also idiots in the center!
Don’t leave them out!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
The fact that black people voted for Obama doesn't mean that was the sole reason to vote for him.
That was certainly a component for some, but it’s unfair to say that’s the reason they voted for him.
And as duck said, a lot of whites voted for McCain because Obama was black.
Where are my shoelaces?
Are you listening to what I'm saying?
Black friends of mine told me, to my face, that they don’t care about anyone’s policies. They were voting for Obama because he was black. Those exact words were used. Rappers were coming on tv and magazines and saying that they need a black president, who cares about policy, etc. Fact of the matter is, there were people who made intelligent votes for Obama and McCain and there were people who are fucking retarded and shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Retarded people of all colors
That’s all I’d add.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Yea that was implied.
Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Fine, fair.
I agree with that. But there were more than just a few “retards” supporting Palin. There were a lot.
Where are my shoelaces?
There were a lot of people supporting Palin
Not all are retarded.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Can I jump in here
And request that we not use “retarded” as a way to insult people?
Thank you.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Got it, boss
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Just call them stupid
or assholes, or whatever.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
But that is offensive to stupid assholes!
J/k. Message received.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
My original point though
is that Sarah Palin will never receive the Republican nomination, because most republican voters are intelligent enough to know that she is not presidential material.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
And I would argue
she could indeed win the nomination. Do not underestimate her popularity.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
she's already popular with the evangelical base
for that reason alone, she should be taken seriously. but i can’t see her winning the nomination.
Spewing negativity.
More popular than Huckabee?
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
By far, of the ones I know
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
I'm not religious at all (as in I don't believe in a god)
and so long as I made a conscious decision to have a child I wouldn’t abort because of a disability. So I should be popular among the evangelical base then?
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
So I should be popular among the evangelical base then?
I know nothing about your political resume so I can’t answer your question. overall, i’m just saying that these are type of things that evangelicals jeez in their pants about. and that’s one of things that they love about palin.
Spewing negativity.
My point was just that
that one thing doesn’t prove that she is popular among evangelicals. Huckabee is considered very popular among that group and it wasn’t nearly enough to get him the nod.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
I think you overestimate her popularity.
Fox News != the ideals of the republican voters.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
She needs a majority of the Republican voters in a majority of caucuses/primaries
She could win it with just a few million votes.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
I was watching an interview with the editor in chief of some major newspaper in Alaska
And they said that Palin is fading fast and is no more than a blip on their radar. I guess that’s a good news-bad news situation: Palin loses popularity and therefore has no chance at the Oval Office OR she’s so popular that she gets the nomination and can smell the presidency. Of course, most intelligent people are so repulsed by her that she’ll never get close.
Oh, maybe it’s a win-win for us.
Where are my shoelaces?
I am very conservative
and I would vote for BHO before Palin. I think.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe.
A lot could change about both of them by 2012.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Still, it's hard to find a Republican who would admit to that.
I doubt my perceptions about Palin will change by 2012, but if Obama could redeem himself I’ll be more likely to vote for him rather than Green Party.
Yes, I’m a treehugger. In the words of Jack Johnson: Reduce, Reuse, Recycle!
Where are my shoelaces?
Those words definitely pre-date Jack Johnson.
:)
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but I was listening to that song from the Curious George soundtrack on the way home.
He’s my hero. Jack Johnson, not Curious George. Although that monkey is pretty damn awesome.
Yes, I’m 5.
Where are my shoelaces?
really?
I would. at least he’s smart.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
indeed
I think that if Ron Paul didn’t look and sound like a garden gnome, more people would take him seriously. Oh well.
Yeah..
and if he didn’t have a history of having hateful words pressed out under his “newsletters” or wasn’t in the same boat as Alex Jones about the Fed.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 8, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
I'm just saying if those were the two options.
No third parties involved.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
most republican voters are intelligent enough to know that she is not presidential material
This didn’t stop George W from being elected. Twice.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
his competition wasn't too stiff at the time
not saying that they would or wouldn’t have made better presidents, it’s all speculation but captain planet and Kerry? really?
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Gore would've made a much better president.
And technically Bush was never elected.
Where are my shoelaces?
Sure he was
By the Electoral College in December of 2000.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
He received 271 Electoral Votes to Gore's 266
That happened.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Yes, but not fairly.
You honestly think a bunch of old Jewish retirees voted for PAT BUCHANAN in Florida?
Where are my shoelaces?
I never said it was fair
I just said he was elected.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
well that's kind of a moot point
Al Gore wasn’t either.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
on what grounds?
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
Cue the "But he got more votes!" sound bites
I’ll be the first to argue Bush was granted electoral votes by a Supreme Court that featured members appointed by his father for a state governed by his brother.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
I wasn't being a smartass
I really don’t have a straight story. all I know is that the Florida recount happened, then didn’t happen, then everything got real messy
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
Then read about it:
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/supreme-court-case-study-bush-v-gore.html
Where are my shoelaces?
Also -
“The Best Democracy Money Can Buy” by Greg Palast.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
And in my opinion
that race was decided months before when Florida purged its rolls of up to 35,000 vopters who were mis-identified as being felons and stricken from the rolls. Of course, the overwhelming majority were minorities.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
When I was in high school
I was totally democratic and was P/Od about bush winning that one, but anyone who took basic grade 9 US history knows he won legit by the laws of the US.
Then I grew up into a split the middle type who usually leans republican. DCO’s fan your still in high school right? Its possible your views may change as you get into the world. I know and wouldent expect anyone to go full right to full left or vice versa, but things do change with experience and age and different views.
/not a criticism at all, just something to think about
I've gotten steadily more progressive the older I get
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
I live in a very progressive household and I intend to stay very leftwing
Party of the big corporations? Tea Party? Not for me.
Where are my shoelaces?
Still, I can't shake the fact that the Republicans are the party of the big corporations
And tend to destroy the environment at all costs. That is my main concern during election season, along with the economy. Unfortunately not many Americans share my view about the importance of preserving the environment. Oh well, story for another day.
Where are my shoelaces?
I don't mean to be a jackass
but when you said Gore would’ve been a better president, did you say it just because of all he’s done for the environment (and obviously your hatred for Bush?)
also a note on the environment; are you one of those folks who thinks that getting rid of my truck is 100% necessary? I don’t get out of bed everyday planning on cutting down a tree, that being said, I love my Silverado and think that there are certainly other ways of helping out.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
No, that's not the "only reason" Gore would have been a better president.
That’s one of them. But hell, there aren’t very many people who could be worse than Bush on the environment, so that’s not really an argument.
I’m not saying you have to get rid of your truck. Maybe rent An Inconvenient Truth if you haven’t seen it already. Warning: it may bore you, but it’s worth a serious watch.
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An inconvenient truth
Like I said about the news. Take that with a grain of salt and form your own opinion. It was made to make money and presents a VERY green agenda, some good points, but some points that arent backed up with good research and facts.
As long as you can think for yourself and dont blindly listen to what your told I dont care if your left right or middle, just make your own opinions.
saw it
wasn’t a fan. there are simply no absolutes in the world. like Blake said, there were some good points but they aren’t necessarily the most air-tight facts either.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Environment is a big pet peeve of mine
I love it, of course I want to protect it, but there are infinitely better ways to do it.
I own a Jeep, I love to offroad, I dont tear up the place and I stay on the legal trails, I support cleaning trails as long as it keeps them open. People who want to close every dirt road to vehicle traffic and ban my Jeep because of fuel economy drive me nuts, were on the same side, I just want to be able to travel all the old trails out west in the rockies and deserts when I retire and hopefully sooner, but im not sure I will be allowed to if the greenies have their way, so Im a bit passionate about that
I feel the same way
love the environment, but sacrificing something you love shouldn’t be a part of it. there are tons of other ways to help out
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Name better ways than cutting down on carbon emissions and cutting taxes for people who own green cars.
Those are just two ways. Does that mean I’m going to take away your jeep? No. Does that mean I want to protect the earth, the wildlife, our national parks etc. etc. Yes, absolutely. I’m not going to take away your car.
The cap and trade bill should have been passed. Read about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emissions_trading
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My problem is
Give an inch take a mile. If we start legislating against emissions eventually it will be banned.
Absolutely we should cut carbon emissions, but it should be the publics choice. If you want to drive a prius that gets 40mpg great, but I want to drive a Jeep that gets 15. And studies have shown that Jeeps are better then the prius because of all the crazy metals they need to mine for the batteries not to mention disposal of the batteries
Im not claiming this to be bible truth per say
But if you think about it the article makes good points, mainly about the environmentally unfriendly products used in hybrids as opposed to a traditional simple SUV
http://www.lifewhile.com/cars/17312400/detail.html
The Dems have their own corporate owners
Different names, same game.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
that's an interesting point
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
They may, and I agree with that statement.
But the Republicans are much worse. And the people of Wisconsin voted out the one honest politician out there. Damn shame. Well, at least we still have Bernie Sanders.
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I can safely say
that I’ve gotten more moderate since the beginning of high school. still leaning to the right, still believe that less government control is good, but I can occasionally agree with the other side on certain issues.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Im going the opposite direction
Its unusual as most of the 18-40ish? is probably going as you are Duck.
But im not religious, believe in womans rights and to an extreme lesser extent the green revolution.
Actually, a lot of people become more rightwing as they get older.
Duck is moving in the opposite direction.
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women's rights
is most definitely something I’m for. but I’m confused as hell when people say “we’re all feminists”. isn’t feminism defined as the belief that women should be placed ahead of men? equal rights seems to me like what we should all be for.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
No?
Not at all. Women’s Rights, in my mind, is to place women on the same level as men.
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exactly
but isn’t there a difference between feminism and women’s rights?
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Initially, yes, sort of.
There’s a whole history if you care to read about it. I can recommend some books, but I doubt that you want to be reading 70’s feminist literature.
Now, in my mind, women’s rights and feminism can be used interchangeably.
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Oh sweet Jesus...
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 8, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
I told him he wouldn't want to read it.
I can imagine how embarrassing it is to read Virginia Wolff. Or, if you want to go old fashioned, Mary Wollstonecraft…
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yeah from what I can tell
this seems like a pretty fair way to settle it.
note: I took 9 US history last year and could make nothing of this event before now
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
My work here is done
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Well...
Maybe you should brush up on your RECENT US History. That stuff matters too. In my class we’re only going up to Watergate and the events that followed.
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THIS 100 times
I love history, but you cant ignore the things that have happened in the last 10-20 years as those are things that will affect our lives more so then the origins of the country type history
well I know about the first Gulf Conflicts
a lot of the stuff that happened in the 80’s, all that, but early 2000’s? forget about it. I’ll be in AP US gov next year, I think that’s when the more modern immersion starts.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
I would suggest learning about it before next year.
It might help you.
Just sayin’
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Never underestimate news media
However dont take it for the absolute truths. Take it all with a grain of Salt as they’re trying to make money, Watch the news, get the info do a little research and it wont hurt. Just dont blindly follow one over the other as none are right.
Legit is up for discussion
HOW/IF Bush won the state of Florida is the subject of much debate.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
it does hold water though
when you vote for, or against, a candidate because of their race, you’re an idiot.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Most of the R's I know adore her
The crap that makes my FB wall from people who love her…ugh.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
I like her.
I think she is a great personality. Doesn’t mean I think she would make a good president. Or even a good state delegate for that matter.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
hey what about that sexy white guy with the truck?
the one Jon Hamm did on SNL. He could run for President on the Beefcake ticket
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Scott Brown?
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
yes, scott brown!
I knew it was some incredibly generic sounding name.
Actually, fuck it. Jon Hamm for President.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
ha
I don’t associate with Palin. no one in their right mind associates with goddamn Sarah Palin. she’s as unqualified as any of em.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
...that didn't do what I campaigned on
and I totally sold y’all out on taxes, too."
That’s what he said.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
bahahaha...
rays want reimold AND simon to sweeten the deal.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
yup...
mark reynolds salivates…
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
Mediocrity for mediocrity!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Well she was at least last night
"If people don't want to come out to the ballpark, how are you going to stop them?" Yogi Berra
Boooo
Hisssss
The world is a mess and I just need to rule it.
by James (Lost in Boston) on Dec 7, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Lame
Like we’d actually make that trade
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
What's the point of this?
The theory was that the corners were the priority, but if the right deal came along, AM would consider an upgrade at upgrade at short? How is this anywhere near the right fucking deal? Time waster…
"They're throwing bottles at your house...Come one, let's go break their arms." - Henry Fool
by Fahrenheit 451 on Dec 7, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Sanity intervention?
http://twitter.com/Britt_Ghiroli/status/12258834311548929
No Nolan + Fredo for Bartlett today….hopefully not ever….
"They're throwing bottles at your house...Come one, let's go break their arms." - Henry Fool
by Fahrenheit 451 on Dec 7, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Luke is at the winter meetings.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Good to see the beard...
is almost ready to go out into the wild this winter.
And right now I can honestly say y'all are getting a paycheck for nothing. - Josh Howard
by TerroristFistJab on Dec 7, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Oh Luke...
You crazy gun totin’, bible thumpin’, Affliction wearin’ son of a bitch. I’m pretty sure i’m supposed to hate you, so why do I love you so?
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
You cannot wear an Affliction t-shirt without pretension
It’s woven into the fabric.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
I ask myself the same thing
I feel like almost everything about Luke Scott is something I should dislike, and yet, I dig him so much.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Out of those three....
the Affliction t-shirts are the real deal breaker for me. I’m OK with the other 2.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
It could be worse, we could be Nats fans
khudak11 Kristen Hudak
oh no RT @adamkilgorewp: Rizzo on how he evaluates free agent pitchers… “The biggest stat for me is wins.” Release the hounds!
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
um, ouch.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
well then they definitely aren't in big on cliff lee
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I don't know why i'm not a Lee fan..
jcrasnick:
The Orioles fully expect Paul Konerko to re-sign with White Sox. Baltimore will be in on Derrek Lee, "if the medicals check out’’
What up?
All this hot stove excitement
And I still have to read about stupid politics on this site.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Push the Z key really fast....
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Well you don’t have to read anything.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
I kinda do
but don’t worry, I just skim that crap.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Well I guess you do.
Duck was a part of the convo though so he can drop the banhammer while you ignore it all.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
If needed.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
IF????????
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
lol.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
"He had the worst year he's ever going to have, and he would have led us in 4 categories"
Buck on Reynolds on MLB Network
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
I read somewhere
that Buck was quoted as saying “Reynold’s is going to face 11 lefthanded starters in the month of april alone.”
Buck knows everything.
What up?
That man is a baseball savant
I just hope he doesn’t wear out his welcome as fast as he did in NY and TEX.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
BUCK USED MY LINES!!!!!
“He’s not going to hit into double plays much”
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
jayson stark
tweet: Trade that would have sent Jason Bartlett from #Rays to #Orioles for Nolan Reimold falling apart. “Not happening,” says one source.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
I am looking for a recommendation
For a good baseball good. It can be fiction or non-fiction, Orioles or non-Orioles, just a really good book about baseball.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
not a good baseball good
a good baseball book.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
"Ballpark" by Peter Richmond
It’s a great read about the construction of OPaCY and all the behind-the-scenes moves that made it happen. It’s available on Amazon. I recommend it to any fan of the O’s or architecture or the inner workings of government and/or business.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Looking for more actual baseball, I think
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
ever read...
ball four?
whitey ford’s autobio?
that new one by the jays farmhand’s supposed to be good….
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
Jays farmhand?
I haven’t heard of that. Is it like, full of scandal and intrigue?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
bullpen gospels...
by dirk hayhurst.
just supposed to be a good firsthand account of life in the minors.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
cool, maybe I'll check it out
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I recently bought Roberto Clemente's biography
I haven’t read it yet, but I heard it’s quite good.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I assume you've read The Soul of Baseball
I’ve always liked Rob Neyer’s book, but they’re a little light.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I've read Soul of Baseball, it's fantastic
I also read The Machine by Pos, which is good but not as good as Soul of Baseball.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
shut up slippy
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I thought YOU were going to start a book club
Whatever happened to that?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I received Between the Numbers, and I've read one chapter so far.
Overall, I’ve been lazy. But with the holidays coming up, I might tear through it.
Spewing negativity.
I'd actually be pretty down for a non-baseball book club
next book I’m tackling probably starting next monday is confederacy of dunces. All are welcome to mock me as I stumble through it.
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
I read that book like five years ago.
Hm, maybe more. I can’t really remember much about it other than I didn’t like it as much as I thought I would.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Umm any baseball book by David Halberstam.
He has a few. Brilliant creative non-fiction. Very engaging.
Where are my shoelaces?
top ten baseball book list by askmen.com
You’ll have to deal with some gratuitous boobage all over the page, but the books are in there somewhere.
http://www.askmen.com/top_10/sports/top-10-baseball-books-to-read-this-summer_10.html
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think I'll save that for when I get home, then.
I don’t need any boobage at work.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Are you looking for
a “read me straight through, in order” book, or more of a reference book with sections you can bounce between?
[regardless, obligatory Weaver on Strategy mention]
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I'm looking for a "read me straight through" kinda book
And it’s actually not for me, it’s gonna be a gift. If I can find something good. I might just go to the bookstore and see what strikes me, but I though I might ask some fellow baseball enthusiasts first.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Ah.
Well, I recommend WoS to everyone, but can’t help you beyond that. Haven’t built up my baseball library much yet.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
If
“trade Reimold for Bartlett” day becomes “re-sign Koji to reasonable deal” day, I may explode with sheer joy.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Nice!
I’ll save my real enthusiasm for when I see what the deal is.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I'm not crazy about a two year deal for Kevin Gregg
But at least he’s not a type A.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I feel like I'm so much smarter by being here at CC
Five years ago, I wouldn’t have even given Type A free agency a thought. Now, it’s the first thing I want to know.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
As long as its only a two year deal, and its not to a type A free agent,
I don’t really care how much money its for. I’m not as convinced as some others that we have a ton of money to spend on a long term deal, but short term we have money to burn.
Word.
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 7, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Oh my god I'm going to kill netflix and silverlight.
What’s the good of procrastinating by watching Arrested Development if you CAN’T DO IT?
Where are my shoelaces?
LOTS of good stuff isn't available on NetFlix streaming.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
I know but silverlight has gone bonkers and now I can't watch my netflix.
:(
Where are my shoelaces?
well
there’s always this. works pretty well for me usually
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
that site
is a gift from God
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
No, I meant netflix.
Which is also a gift from god…if God didn’t make you pay for things.
Where are my shoelaces?
There's a Twitter fight between WNST and Baltimore Sports & Life going on now
Fascinating stuff, I tell ya.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Pretty much
Except I created the last battle out of sheer incompetence
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but what story has WNST broken during the winter meetings?
Repeating a story before MASN =/= ‘breaking it’
Posted around 1:30 pm
WNST WNST
Drew: #Orioles set to acquire shortstop #JasonBartlett today? That’s what’s coming out of the “tree” from my Birds source.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
OK, i guess i'll give it to them
Though Bartlett rumors had been around for a while now, and they didn’t make any mention of Reimold.
But was it any earlier than anyone else had it?
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Tflach2
posted it on this site at 12:48 pm according to the log… i did a little research..
I am not sure if I like this one…
danconnollysun: #Orioles and #Rays swap of Jason Bartlett for Nolan Reimold is heating up. One source expects it to happen today, [via Twitter]
“Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder ‘why, why, why?’ Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand..”
by tflach2 on Dec 7, 2010 12:48 PM EST reply actions
What up?
by snakethejake on Dec 7, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
got to cite the vonnegeeetit
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Dec 8, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
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