Orioles Tuesday Winter Meetings Roundup
by Stacey on Dec 7, 2010 7:38 PM EST
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PrintI think that all of these things have been discussed in one of the posts made today, but I thought it'd be nice to consolidate them for those of you who don't or can't wade that deep into the comments (especially since a crap load of them are about politics). In summary:
The Orioles' hullabaloo at today's winter meetings revolved around the news that the Orioles were close to trading Nolan Reimold and possibly Alfredo Simon to the Tampa Bay Rays for shortstop Jason Bartlett. Birdland recoiled in horror at the very idea while the residents of Rayville thought it was a simply fantastic idea. Thankfully the talks fell apart this afternoon and now it appears that Reimold will not be traded. The latest news on the Orioles shortstop talks comes from Jayson Stark, who tweeted at 6:11 PM:
#Orioles considering other SS options with Bartlett deal on the rocks: trades for Brendan Ryan or JJ Hardy -- or signing FA Orlando Cabrera.
In other Orioles news, there are reports that the Orioles are quite close to re-signing Koji Uehara, although no details of years or money have been released. It's also believed that the Orioles have offered Kevin Gregg a two-year contract, although according to Ken Rosenthal there are a number of other teams going after Gregg including the Red Sox, Nationals, Pirates, and Mariners.
In some of the most surprising news of the day, Dan Connolly reported that the Orioles talked to the Brewers about Prince Fielder. The Brewers want young pitching in return and the Orioles won't consider it without the opportunity to sign Fielder to an extension.
Because the Orioles are under the impression they need to sign another starting pitcher, they talked to the Braves today about Kenshin Kawakami, but Connolly reported that those talks are dead. Thank goodness. He's not very good.
I think that's all on the Orioles today. Lots of talk, no action. Have y'all heard anything else we should know about?
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Another starter
Because the Orioles are under the impression they need to sign another starting pitcher…
I also share this belief. I would like both Tillman and Britton to start next year in AAA. Britton because of service time/agent issues, and Tillman to establish get some more polish, and then be ready when the first starter goes down. I think Vanden Hurk and Patton are more bullpen candidates than starter candidates as well. So I think the Orioles would benefit from adding one more starter on a 1 year deal, maybe a guy like Jeff Francis.
Librarians are hiding something
Yeah
I would like to see the O’s sign a vet to be number 1 and eat innings. It would keep Guts from being number 1 and lets Matuz and Arrieta get some more time before moving up in the rotation which we all know they eventually will do.
Only if that pitcher is Cliff Lee
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
'Cause he and Carl Pavano are about it to fill that job description
and I don’t necessarily want the O’s to be the one to find out if Carl Pavano can hack it in the AL East after his NYY experiment failed so miserably.
"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
I think you're wrong about Kawakmi.
Yes, his 2010 was terrible, but his peripherals were almost exactly the same as they were in 2009. Hardball Times had a good write-up on him showing that he’s better than his 2010, probably closer to his 2009. Braves fans and statistically-inclined analysts seemed to agree that he was treated unfairly this past season and after it ended, in being sent down to the minors.
Considering that Braves management has an irrational hate of Kawakami, the asking price for him probably wasn’t high, and we could have gotten a decent pitcher in return.
He's gonna be 36 next year
And he wasn’t THAT good in 2009.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
But he wasn't bad.
He was slightly above average. If the Orioles want someone to be #1, fine, don’t get him. My point, though, was that’s it’s unfair to say he’s a bad pitcher. Which you didn’t exactly say, but the post did imply it.
Buck Showalter being interviewed on MLB tonite
in like 2 minutes!
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Dec 8, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
A trade for Fielder
Would love to have him, but don’t want to even think about what it would take. I’m guessing we’d have to give them at least Matusz, and then probably Birtton as well, along with some other decent prospects. No thanks. Just wait and give him 10 years/$1 billion, or whatever it would take, next year during FA.
Didn’t see that rumor today, granted I wasn’t looking too hard.
Buck on XM soon
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"It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer, complete, total incompetence." - Joe Rogan
Buck on MLB Network right now!
Now, Harold, he's a friendly guy. He rambles on and on. He'll talk the balls off a rhino-saurus.~Primus, Harold of the Rocks
Good stuff
Go to the Orioles website, they show it on there.
by LoveForTheGame13 on Dec 7, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
I watched him on the Orioles website just now,
and freaked out that one of the guys he was talking with was Jim Duquette. Get away, Buck, get away!
am so torn
Re: strikeouts – you can’t ground into double plays
Re: sabr – “the new stats”
Re: defense – his error total went down (re: Reynolds)
“we’d be happy with Izturis, he’s one of the smartest players around.”
wieters: “matt is going to be as good as capable as he’s being” no idea wtf that means. “he cares about catching, he cares about putting down good fingers”
Also, apparently is an SEC fan. whoever the hell cares about that.
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Dec 8, 2010 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
He's a smart dude
The Izzy thing seemed like total spin in case they end up resigning him. You can’t just trash a player that might be coming back. Matt being as good as he is capable of just sounded like he was saying that Matt is a hard worker an he will bust his butt to reach every bit of potential he has. The fingers thing was about him focusing on calling a good game as a #1 priority.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I am hoping the orioles can deal tillman and bell for a impact bat
For some reason I just do not see these 2 guys being impact players in the majors. Tillman’s velocity is way to slow for the lack of movement he has on his fastball, and Bell looked completely overmatched in the majors last year, not to mention he didnt do anything at Norfolk either.I know yall are going to say they are young give them time, but the special ones you can see at a very early age. If we could package these 2 and maybe somebody like simon, scott, arietta, riemold, or pie; for a elite power bat, I would be all over it! That would still leave us with atleast guts, matusz, britton, bergy, and possibly arrieta if he didnt get packaged. Thats still a young core going forward! and britton is the real deal by the way. COMMENT PLEASE
Bell
was rushed. he has enough raw power to where he could be a 30 homer guy a year. not sold on Tillman but his ceiling is as high, if not higher, than Matsuz’s was (or is…) so I’m all for giving him a second chance. we’re not going anywhere in a hurry in terms of division standings, let’s see what these guys have got first before we go rushing them out of town in an ill-advised trade, especially with the farm system being as thin as it is.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
well
i wouldnt say exactly rushed, he had 4 full years in the minors, and he is 24 years old. If u remember a lot of people wanted him to start out the year with the orioles instead of heading down to norfolk. He will be 25 next year and at some point people have to start meeting their “potential”. But you do have a valid point with tillman, he has tons of ceiling, but im tired of watching his 89 mph straight fastball get stroked all over the park, even in the minors.
by bergstheword on Dec 7, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Reimold had tons of time in the minors
as did Mickolio. depends on your definition of “rushed” I guess. some guys take longer to develop and I think Bell needs one more year of AAA ball to get there.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
and call me dumb
but plug in another big bat into this lineup, and let out young pitchers remain hot like they were the last 2 months of last season…….and we are in the thick of things!
by bergstheword on Dec 7, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
it's not dumb to think
that if the pitchers threw the way they did there at the end that we are in it. but I don’t know if they can sustain that level. my guess is that we’ll see better performances all across the board this year with those guys, especially Matusz who looked flawless near the end. I watched him throw a beautiful 9 K game last year and an 8 inning shutout of the Rangers in person. incredible to watch.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 7, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
I wiouldn't mind a sign-and-trade for Fielder
But God knows how much that would cost us.
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$10M for 1 year
I like the 1 year part, at least.
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Dec 8, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
o's v. nats
for the services of the rock!
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
Off topic....
just read a little about Luke’s political leanings…..slightly nauseous….please, please, please quit asking hired jocks about their political and/or religious views…..Those topics are off limits even to close knit families….Luke is now forever tainted as a Nugent follower. Tremendous discipline and self control permits me to not rant…….hehe
Another O'sFan? Uh oh...
We can tell them apart though because this one has tremendous discipline and self control :)
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Agree with OsFan
Luke has really done it now for me.
Questioning Obama’s birth origin? What next? Theories about black helicopters?
It’s officially OK with me if they find something useful for Luke in a trade, not just because he says and does stupid shit, but because he’s not going to be any better next season. Unload him while everyone else thinks he’s hot.
And then he can babble on about bullshit like Obama’s birth origin and the rest of the world can laugh at him, and the organization he represents.
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Luke and the Winter Meetings
Anyone who has heard Luke speak before should not be surprised by his comments. DH not Ph.D. Hardy > Bartlett > Izturis > Andino > Cabrera. No chance Boras lets Fielder sign prior to free agency unless it’s an absurd offer. Bell should play 1B at Norfolk this year. Albers should work the night shift at Sizzler.
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