Winter Meetings Day 3 Overflow
by Stacey on Dec 8, 2010 5:27 PM EST
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PrintJust checked in and thought that we've gotten up to enough comments in this morning's open thread that it'll start to slow down some people's computers, so feel free to keep things going in here.
UPDATE 10:42 PM: Jeff Zrebiec of The Sun says Koji Uehara is back to the O's on a one-year deal.
Who will the Orioles get to play first base?
Are you pro JJ Hardy?
When will they announce that they signed Koji?
And what of Kevin Gregg? $10M? Ugh!
I will just ask that if you want to talk about Luke Scott, keep it in the first thread. Thanks!
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Id rather have Hardy than Bartlett any day.
Im fine with the offer for Gregg. As for 1B..sign….not a ton of options. Lee? Maybe keep Luke there. Ha
I like Hardy
If it’s Jacobson and someone else not that big, go for it. I’m not convinced they’ll sign a 1B because of the players themselves, but Lee is probably the most likely. I hope I wake up to the Koji announcement.
I'm happy with Hardy
Get Hardy, sign Adam Laroche to a two year deal, bring Koji back, and some other experienced relievers, not sure how I feel about Kevin Gregg at 10 mil
Heyman on MLBnetwork
Luke Scott may be on the block but I think this Heyman speculating rather than based on an O’s source.
Spewing negativity.
I heard yesterday
That they were listening to offers for
Luke but I don’t think he will be leaving unless they get blown away by an offer.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 8, 2010 6:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
In summary
Hardy over Bartlett, providing he doesn’t cost too much in talent.
LaRoche seems like the best fit at 1B. He’s not going to provide premium power, so hopefully he’ll be cheaper than Pena. $8M?
Koji please. Incentive laden team option 2nd year.
I wouldn’t have a problem with Kawakami if he came cheap. I’d be just fine sitting pat with our pitching, we’ve got enough depth that I’d rather address the rest of the team, especially in this market.
Why the hell are they going after Ludwick and Willingham, do we need a 6th OF?
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
Willingham would play 1st
Dude can hit. Defense isn’t great but better than Dunn; which is to say, a hungry polar bear in oven mits chasing a field mouse.
He can hit
I hadn’t thought of the 1B angle, missed his 4 innings of MLB experience on the B-R page. Which is more innings than I expect Dunn to get this year.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
Sign Derrek Lee to a 1yr / $10M deal to play first
Sign Christian Guzman to a 1/$2M deal to play short
Select Brad Emaus in Rule 5 draft
Sign Koji to a 1yr/$4M deal for the bullpen
If healthy, sign Jeff Francis to a 1/$4M deal
I’m not keen on trading any more talent. Much rather use the cash.
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Negative. Guzman can NOT play short anymore. His defense was absolutely awful.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
i don't think there are any good solutions out there
OCab? Julio Lugo, who I don’t think was an Oriole last year?
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by dfa on Dec 8, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
well there's Hardy of course
but Guzman is terrible. last season he was worth -0.1 WAR (would have been worse if he played a full season with those numbers) and the season before that, 0.7 WAR. I’d rather just give the job to Andino or resign Izturis (or, actually, have them fight it out in spring training)
What was the return?
Hopefully nothing good or anywhere close to Reimold-esque
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by arlingtonOsFan on Dec 8, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
2 pitchers
Cesar Ramos and Adam Russell
Now, Harold, he's a friendly guy. He rambles on and on. He'll talk the balls off a rhino-saurus.~Primus, Harold of the Rocks
Ramos:
minor league WHIP around 1.5 and about 4 BB/9 through 6 seasons. He’s no spring chicken.
Russell:
pretty similar BB rate and WHIP, though he Ks guys a little more. He had a pretty bad year in AAA last year as a 27 yo.
Wow…. amazing that the Rays thought they could get Reimold and someone else from us. Who do they think we are???? oh wait, nevermind.
I just hope he'll manage to pass his drug test
Now, Harold, he's a friendly guy. He rambles on and on. He'll talk the balls off a rhino-saurus.~Primus, Harold of the Rocks
I'd settle
for his ladies passing their pregnancy tests. Wrap it, Moldy!
by NSOsFan on Dec 8, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Or failing his DNA test
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
by CoachOfEarl on Dec 8, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Rays probably said 'We want Reimold.'
to which Andy replied, ‘Ok, but you have to take Simon as well.’
The Rays then made a Mr. Yuck face, and said ‘No way!’.
Now, Harold, he's a friendly guy. He rambles on and on. He'll talk the balls off a rhino-saurus.~Primus, Harold of the Rocks
also, i want to add, i keep reading “winter meetings” as “wieter meetings”. just wanted to throw that out there.
+1
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by Zachary Beard on Dec 9, 2010 6:48 AM EST up reply actions
Jack Cust signed with the Mariner's
The O’s should have moved Luke to 1B and signed Cust to DH now that good players are off the board.
Spewing negativity.
Is he at peak value?
I’m warming to the idea of a three-team trade where someone gets Scott, Os get pitching some of which is sent to the Twins for Hardy. That’s to say, I don’t think Scott’s going to improve no his 2009 offensive numbers.
I'd love to trade Luke
But I don’t think there is much of a market for him. He’s not that much better than guys who can be had for free (Vlad and Cust before he signed with the Mariners).
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by dfa on Dec 8, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Brittany says the Os and Twin were never close on a deal...
this probably means we won’t be looking at a trade where Jacobson is the centerpiece. oh well. Perhaps they’d be interested in a deal centered around Bobby Bundy.
I'm a Cesar apologist to a fault
but the offensive upgrades at 1B are evaporating like acetone in August. Make the Hardy deal.
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by Fahrenheit 451 on Dec 8, 2010 7:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Derrek Lee or bust
If the team can’t get Lee, I’d seriously consider having Scott, Fox and Reimold shift between DH and 1B.
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by dfa on Dec 8, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
really?
i think laroche would be a perfectly chromulent 1B.
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-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
I thought he signed with the Nats
for like 12 years $214 M?
That wasn’t on the open thread? I had to shut my eyes…
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by dfa on Dec 8, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
nope...
didn’t happen.
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-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
in all honesty, the Orioles are probably best off long-term with that situation
I could dream it forever and still not do it, but when the time comes for it to be done, God, I want to be ready for it.
Agree
If we get Lee (probably won’t) it’s really a 1 yr rental based upon age and we get some production and a better record in ‘11. If we don’t, we get a worse record in ’11 but the same level of competition on the farm (Hughes/Snyder/Mahoney) for a spot on the 25 man for Baltimore or another club in ’12….or ’11 for that matter.
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by Fahrenheit 451 on Dec 8, 2010 8:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Can someone clue me in?
No doubt that standing at the plate…Izturis was worse than any NL pitcher with a wiffle-ball bat. But can someone clue me in on how JJ Hardy’s OBP is all that significant an improvement that he deserves basically twice the pay?
Defensively, it seems that Izturis held down the position more than adequately, we’d be losing ground on the defensive front (not something we can afford) for only a marginal improvement in offense.
Are we just getting excited about JJ because we’re that desparate for news?
well...
he does, actually, nearly double cesar’s offensive output, and, at this point, is probably a hair better in the field.
i’d still bw curious as to what it would take to get brendan ryan.
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-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
he's also younger
he can, ideally, hold the spot until Machado gets here in 2013
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 8, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Don't get me wrong, I like what I see defensively in JJ
But I guess all I can think of is how we can get more baserunners and reduce our miserable 2010 season of runners LOB.
The both hit lefties like crap. (.205 v .210), and their groundball/fly split and SO and GIDP were about identical. (Shocking actually as I really thought that Cesar seemed to hit into a lot more DPs.
And Hardy’s injuries last year worry me as it seems that we’d HAVE to sign Cesar to back up Hardy as Hardy had nearly 130 fewer ABs than our light hitting SS.
I think JJ is better than you give him credit for...
At least compared to our other two supposed options. Bill James predicts a .331 wOBA for him next year. Izzy and Ryan are slotted for .268 and .288, respectively. That seems pretty significant to me (of course, there are flaws in Bill James’ projections, but that’s the best I can do so yeah)
JJ means more baserunners
Izturis, OPS, career: 64
Hardy, OPS, career: 95
Maybe we can send Izzy out to work with Brady and Moldy?
We still have Andino as the backup, and Turnip is just a Greyhound ticket away, so we really don’t need Izzy, if he’s going to be replacement level and all.
"I hear the question, and I'm not going to answer it," Gregg Williams
Hardy's fielding is improving
I think the offensive difference is much greater than the difference Izzy’s admittedly very good D.
A learning experience is one of those things that say, "You know that thing you just did? Don't do that."- Douglas Adams
Tweets Smith:
The Twins and Orioles are still working on a Hardy deal
I hear that the Orioles are gonna trade their rule 5 draft to the Twins for the Hardy deal.
by LoveForTheGame13 on Dec 8, 2010 8:30 PM EST reply actions
Someone mentioned that on a thread on DRays Bay as well.
How does that work? Can we just trade the pick, or do we have to draft someone and then trade that player?
Now, Harold, he's a friendly guy. He rambles on and on. He'll talk the balls off a rhino-saurus.~Primus, Harold of the Rocks
draft then trade
we did it last year, as part of the Millwood deal. and two years ago, for some cash from the Brewers.
This guy?
I just heard Dave Cameron on XM talk about Hardy. He likes him better than Bartlett. Hardy’s bat from two years ago is gone but his glove is excellent.
Spewing negativity.
JJ Hardy rocking the Ed Hardy
Bring back Luis Matos.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Dec 8, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Just put a gal in there
and he could be on
hotchickswithdouchebags.com
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by Afghanistan Steve on Dec 9, 2010 2:46 AM EST up reply actions
mike ferrin is smoking crack on xm mlb home plate
he thinks the o’s can trade and sign prince to an extension. boras doesn’t sign extension. we would have beat howard’s contract to even get boras’ attention.
Spewing negativity.
KOJI!
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/2010/12/orioles_agree_to_terms_with_ko.html
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by wrb1990 on Dec 8, 2010 10:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
WONDERFUL
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
by danielreese05 on Dec 8, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
I love you Koji!!!!
The world is a mess and I just need to rule it.
by James (Lost in Boston) on Dec 8, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent move.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 8, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
KOJI! KOJI! KOJI!
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by Eat More Esskay on Dec 9, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
bad luck
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by the fix is in on Dec 9, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Excellent
The guy was great at season’s end, and is a fun pitcher to watch.
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by Afghanistan Steve on Dec 9, 2010 2:47 AM EST up reply actions
Thank you Andy...
for not f’ing this up.
Now all we need is to NOT give up a pick for a middling reliever (AHEMGreggChough), especially when he’s not a long term option.
A learning experience is one of those things that say, "You know that thing you just did? Don't do that."- Douglas Adams
if we get Hardy tomorrow
whenever really, I just want a shortstop, and maybe one more reliever (no type A) I will consider this offseason successful. it’s like night and day when you think back to 2009.
Straight cash homey
Pro Football South
Get 'em.
i still wouldn't mind picking up a DH or 1B.
But yeah, pretty happy with how the team would look. Assuming of course that we get Hardy.
I can't feel comfortable untill we have a legit first baseman
I feel like if we don’t sign an accomplished first basemen before its all over, we are selling ourselves short because we still have options to upgrade in lee or Laroche for atleast a year or two
Three possibilities that I've seen.
Josh Horton, SS, Oakland A’s
Justin Sellers, SS, LA Dodgers
Josh Rodriguez, SS/2B, Cleveland
Sellers hit .285/.371/.497 with 14 homeruns last year at AAA. According to scouting reports around the time he was drafted he is also a stellar defensive shortstop. Sounds like a guy I wouldn’t mind taking a shot at.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 8, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
i always like the possibility of a rule 5 stud..
i hope we go for one of these guys, Sellers does sound pretty decent if they can’t get Hardy
What up?
by snakethejake on Dec 8, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
some previews
A rule 5 preview by a good writer over at Bucs Dugout is here
BA top 25 rule 5 prospects (names only, it’s an insider article).
There are a number of interesting names out there. If the Orioles do trade the pick in a JJ Hardy deal (which I would definitely support), I hope they use the possibility of the second spot. Lord knows there are spaces on the 40 man roster. I’d like Brad Emaus who can serve in the Wigginton role.
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Carl Crawford
Red Sox apparently now have A-Gon and Carl Crawford, just saw he agreed to 7years 142mil
Yuck.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 8, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
i wanted to remember today as an okay day..
couldn’t it have waited like half an hour?
What up?
by snakethejake on Dec 8, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
7/142
That’s a lot of money. His career OPS+ is 107. Plus he played a good amount of time on that turf. He obviously makes the Sox better, but I certainly wouldn’t advocate the Orioles getting him.
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He's also a speed guy
and that speed probably won’t be the same in another 2 or 3 years.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 8, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
Ken Rosenthal just tweeted that an annual salary of 20.2 mil a season makes crawford the highest paid outfield ever, he is good, but i dont know if i can justify that good.
Thing about Crawford is,
he can do just about everything you want a baseball player to do with reasonable skill. Highest paid ever seems overboard, though.
I lied
Apparently Rosenthal tweeted this morning that Crawford isn’t the highest paid ever Manny got like 22 mil per season before
I think the sound bite is that the Red Sox have given out the two biggest OF contracts or something
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I hope you all found that enlightening.
Bring back Luis Matos.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Dec 8, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
Red Sox projected lineup
Crawford
Pedroia
Gonzalez
Youkilis
Ortiz
Scutaro
Drew
Ellsbury
Damn. I take some comfort in their overpaid rotation, specifically Beckett, Dice-K and Lackey. Cold comfort all the same.
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Saltalamachia is not in the lineup...
…MLB network projects him between Drew and Ellsbury. I can’t count after a couple jamesons.
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Is Mike Cameron the 4th OF?
What the fuck?! That team is stacked offensively. I’m more afraid of this line up than the Yankees lineup. The O’s really have to step up next season.
by LoveForTheGame13 on Dec 9, 2010 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
wow, just wow.
So that means the O’s would have had to offer 8 years, $162M to even have a chance at landing Crawford.
Spewing negativity.
Some tidbits about the O's:
-The team did not offer Carlos Pena or Paul Konerko contracts before the first basemen signed in Chicago, according to president of baseball operations Andy MacPhail.
-It’s likely that the team’s shortstop will be Hardy, Jason Bartlett, Brendan Ryan or Cesar Izturis, MacPhail said. The Padres appear to be close to a deal for Bartlett, which would limit the Orioles’ options.
-MacPhail says the club has expressed interest in a number of DH types. Vladimir Guerrero, Hideki Matsui and Jim Thome are believed to be among the team’s targets.
-The team, which selects fourth in tomorrow’s Rule 5 draft, is considering a number of players.
-There are no updates on Kevin Gregg, but Zrebiec reported yesterday that the team has offered the former Blue Jays closer a two-year deal.
-Troy Renck of the Denver Post hears (on Twitter) that Nick Green could end up in Baltimore.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 8, 2010 11:49 PM EST reply actions
I don't know about adding a guy lke Thome or Matsui
I’d much rather the o’s go out and get Laroche, he will add stability at first like we need, trade for hardy, and add another bullpen arm, and i ll be more than happy
If this is for real, MacPhail would be brilliant
Dan Connolly’s reporting the Os and Twins could trade Brett Jacobson and Jim Hoey for J.J. Hardy and Brendan Harris?! Seriously? Get that done, Andy!
That would be crazy
I would cease be angry at MacPhail for not dealing Huff 13 months before he did. I am a pretty bitter person though.
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by dfa on Dec 9, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
holy effing shit
JJ Hardy for Hoey and Jacobsen? WTF?
To make matters so much better, Hardy likely projects as a Type A FA, so worst case scenario is that the Orioles pick up a #1 pick in 2012. (or a sandwich pick in the event that he is downgraded to a Type B.)
Unreal. Way to go MacPhail.
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by dfa on Dec 9, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
HA! If this is true : )
then we just gotta add Lee and keep Luke at 1b or Vlad and teach Luke up some 1b!
The O's Infield hit what, 33 HRs last year
Now its reasonable that the infield cant hit:
MR- ~40, JJ- ~25, B-rob- ~10 and if we sign Lee- ~20 more or ~30 even if we start Luke there
Im pretty sure ~100 > 33 HRs : ) MacPhail has finally brought some power to the O’s
Real...
Have you been reading the “Confederate Money” comments? A lot of players aren’t going to sign with our Os. If Hardy, Harris, and Reynolds can get the Os to or over the .500 mark, then the players will sign. Next year.
really?
I’m still not going to miss MacPhail when he leaves, but the Orioles had no chance at signing any type A’s (that are worth it at least). AM makes 2 pretty nice moves and deserves some kudos.
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by dfa on Dec 9, 2010 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
I'm curious
to know who our GM could be for the 2012 season. I love AM’s trades but, he can’t sign anyone significant to save his life.
by LoveForTheGame13 on Dec 9, 2010 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
Once the team plays better, players will come
If they’re over .500 they might be able to sign Prince Fielder next off season.
Also, why settle for Fielder
if we could just get Pujols :)
by LoveForTheGame13 on Dec 9, 2010 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
It's a real interesting question
I like Paul DePodesta since he’s from Maryland.
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by dfa on Dec 9, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
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"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
by zknower on Dec 9, 2010 4:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Izzy ain't comin' back
Because looks like Brendan Harris will be our backup infielder. Bet.
by LoveForTheGame13 on Dec 9, 2010 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
I think that Johan Santana deal was a smidge worse
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by dfa on Dec 9, 2010 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
Sign LaRoche!
I’ve must have said this a million times haha. Screw it, if we can’t sign him just give the job to Snyder :)
by LoveForTheGame13 on Dec 9, 2010 1:52 AM EST reply actions
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Mark Reynolds and Doug Davis? Seems pretty random to me.
Brendan Harris, who was definitely a salary dump. Career OPS+ of 86.
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Yea, Harris definitely is a salary dump
but he will be a legit utility man and that means we don’t have to bring Izzy back as a backup.
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by Knubles and Bits on Dec 9, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, Harris definitely is a salary dump
Considering Harris makes what $1.5M, that says a lot about the Twins.
Spewing negativity.
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