President's Day Bird Droppings
by Camden Chat on Feb 15, 2010 9:42 AM EST
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I was reading about Stephen Strasburg today on a few different places around the internet and it got me wondering just how good everyone here thinks this kid will be in 2010. It seems to be the consensus that he'll see time in the National League in 2010 even if he starts in the minors. Do you think he'll be better than Brian Matusz? I'm not talking over their careers, just this year. Am I too high on Matusz if I think he's in the same league as Strasburg (especially at this point of their careers)? And if Strasburg will be better than Matusz in 2010 how much of that is based on the lineups he'll face compared to Matusz? The hype around Strasburg is so big that I have no idea what's real and what isn't.
With spring training days away, what kind of team will Orioles field this year?
Now that Andy MacPhail's "phase 2" is in place, Kevin Cowherd tries to figure out what that means for the team. -Stacey
2010 Orioles: Focus on the Farm | The Loss Column
Andrew @ TLC takes a look at the importance on the 2010 season on the minor league system. -Stacey
Markakis on hitting third, "Whatever."
He doesn't care if he hits second or third. I'd prefer he hits second only because he's had more success there. I don't relly think it matters either, it's a pretty small sample size comparatively but I say stick with what works. -Stacey
The MLB's Most Underrated Lineup | Bringing Heat
Bringing Heat focuses on the positives the Orioles bring to the plate. I agree with the premise but disagree with a number of things in the article. For one thing, Matt Wieters isn't a prospect, that's just a fact. For another thing Miguel Tejada shouldn't be anywhere near the cleanup spot and he shouldn't be ahead of Wieters and Nolan Reimold in the lineup and probably not in front of Luke Scott either. -Stacey
Happy President's Day from Baseball Reference
B-R.com celebrates President's Day with this list of baseball players through history that share a name with a U.S. President. There have been two baseball playing Calvin Coolidges! -Stacey
And on this day in Camden Chat history....
Sammy Sosa, I'm so sorry (2006)
SC looks at the probable retirement of Sammy Sosa from an Orioles fan perspective. Of course Sosa ended up playing again in 2007. -Stacey
And so it begins (2006)
Comments on the beginning of 2006 with SC writing a line that is exactly how I feel about the WBC: "And I'm sorry, I love America, it's a wonderful country and my home and all, but I cannot root for Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez. I just can't see myself in the eighth inning of a tight game, shouting, "Come on, Jeter!" or "Let's go, A-Rod!" Not happening."
Thoughts on Brandon Snyder (2006)
Big optimism on Brandon Snyder completely with shiny numbers. It's 4 seasons later, has Snyder lived up to it?
And that will win us more games, how? (2008)
jobe and others express outrage over the no facial hair rule but I'll tell you something: after seeing Nick Markakis' ridiculousness this offseason I am behind the policy. -Stacey
They say goldfish have no memory, I guess their lives are much like mineAnd the little Open Thread is a surprise every time
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CURLING'S TOMORROW
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 10:02 AM EST reply actions
Biathlon was this weekend
Me and the daughter actually spent an hour watching it. Ah, bonding moments of the Winter Olympics….
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
my daughter and I.
Are you sure you’re a teacher? :)
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
I'm off today. And that was totally on purpose.
I did listen to a lot of NASCAR yesterday, too.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
didnt watch the biathlon
but i did catch some of the nordic combined. that actually was mildly exciting.
by twistedlogic on Feb 15, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Ski jumping looks like the coolest thing ever.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Who doesn't want to do this?
You’re basically floating
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
I have no idea how many G's you'd feel
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
snowboard cross looks fun too.
it’s like nascar only on snowboards and no potholes
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Unless you're a girl
in which case the IOC doesn’t want you around.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Apparently that was like the most exciting nordic combined event ever
I’m not sure i’d want to watch an average race. Though i was on a treadmill the whole time, and watching a race like that was great motivation.
yes it was
I thought it was going to be a total snooze fest but I actually found myself enjoying it.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
But, but, but...
Biathlon has guns!!!!!! That’s WAY cooler!
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Thanks, Luke Scott
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Feb 15, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd!
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Clean up hitters...
I disagree with Stacey about Tejada batting 4th. I think he is clearly the least worst option. I really dont know who else you put there. I wouldn’t want any of our developing players to be given that much responsibility. We saw what happened to Markakis last year in that spot and Adam Jones struggled when he got it into his head that he could be a “masher”. I dont think either one of those players is any more of a prototypical cleanup hitter than Miggy, but with Miggy you aren’t going to damage his future development.
I could see Reimold or Wieters at some point filling in that role, but both are only about 100 games into their careers. While I love Reimold, Im not convinced that last year wasn’t a fluke. Our best “power” hitter was LUUUKE and no way he should be anywhere near clean-up with his consistency issues.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=markani01&year=2009&t=b#lineu
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=tejadmi01&year=Career&t=b#lineu
I don't buy "pressure of cleanup"
I agree there isn’t a true cleanup hitter on the team but that whole pressure thing is whatever. You’re a major league baseball player. If you can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Feb 15, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
But isnt that the whole reason why the new Orioles front office doesnt rush players through the minors and when the do make the majors they start out at the bottom of the line-up?
AJ had a great start last year, but really went down hill when it appeared, at least to me, that he was trying to hit the ball out of the park every time he came up to the plate. I think putting him 4th is going to add to that mentality. I understand he also had a lot of nagging injuries last year, but those injuries aren’t going to make him swing at the first two pitches every time.
I guess you could make a case for Markakis over Miggy, but the two of them had a pretty similiar year statistically and I would rather have a veteren.
meh
I’m not saying Adam Jones should be the cleanup hitter, but I will say that 2010 will be Adam Jones third full season in the majors. He’s not a baby.
I’m personally of the opinion that you should just put put Brian at the top of the order, Cesar at the bottom, and arrange the rest by OBP (or potential OBP). Using last year’s numbers that would be.
Roberts .356
Reimold .365
Markakis .347
Wieters .340
Scott .340
Tejada .340
Jones .335
Atkins .308
Izturis .294
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think Jones will have a higher OBP than Tejada in 2010 though so I’d move him up.
I personally have no problem with Luke Scott hitting fourth. His streakiness was very profound in 2009 but that was way worse than his career line. You want a guy who can hit big bombs up after the guys in front of him get on. Luke isn’t perfect but for the O’s he’s that guy.
Tejada will get his fair share of hits, sure, but he isn’t a power hitter anymore and last year he couldn’t take a walk to save his life. Not to mention he grounds into five bajillion double plays a year. I would go insane by the end of April watching Brian, Nicky, and Nolan get on base just to watch him GIDP.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Tejada 6th???
Miggy had a BA of .313 and an avg of .332 w/ RISP last year. Both would have led the team last year. I agree with Stacy that you wouldn’t want to bat him 4th because his power numbers have dropped but he needs to bat either 2 or 3. I’d go with 3 due to his high RISP average and his low walks.
Stacy, I also think you do luv Matusz too much if you think he is comparable to Strasburg. Matusz is a pitcher with good stuff. Based upon his outings last year it appears he knows how to pitch in the Majors, which could make him very successful. Strasburg is a pitcher with AMAZING stuff. The million dollar question is will he be able to learn how to pitch in this league. If he can he will be an elite pitcher, if he can’t, he’ll be the next Ben McDonald.
Nice to meet you
My name is Stacey, with an E. It’s right there in every post. Sorry if that sounds bitchy but it’s a touchy subject for me.
I was speaking about Matusz vs Strasburg in 2010 only. That’s all. I thought I made that clear.
The fact that you want to bat someone high in the lineup because he has low walks is mind boggling.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
The "e" missed the post due to flu like symptoms.
In deciding if he’d be better batting 2nd or 3rd, I’d bat him 3rd rather than 2nd because of his low walks. OBP is important than RISP for a number 2 and than a number 3.
If your only talking about 2010 than Matusz has a chance of having a better season because he’s had the experience of last year.
It's a fair point
but none of these guys are breaking into the big leagues this year. All of them are either multi-year veterans or batted in the key spots of the lineup in Norfolk. There really shouldn’t be any reason to think that any of them “can’t handle the pressure” of hitting in the first four spots of the lineup.
And you know, it is a fact that any two reasonable lineups aren’t going to distinguish themselves an awful lot in terms of runs scored over the course of 162 games. So as long as Izturis isn’t hitting any higher than 7th, I think we’ll be okay regardless.
Bedard says he doesn't care and thinks goals are pointless.
that second paragraph is a great point
and why I, in most cases, don’t pay much attention to lineups except to rant when Diamond Dave puts Izzy in the two hole. I think I’m getting so anxious about baseball season that I’ll talk about anything at this point, though.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
as do i.
i’ve been pondering team uniforms.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I don't buy "if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen" either really...
With veterans sure, but why put unnecessary pressure on younger guys as they’re developing if there’s somebody who can better handle the pressure until they are ready to step up?
Even though I disagree with this approach for other reasons (because it’s a completely different approach), but isn’t this why a lot of teams start pitching prospects in the bullpen to start?
It's his third season!
He’s not a rookie.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Markakis
If you want a more sound reason why Markakis struggled last year, just look at his platoon splits. Dude really didn’t bring it against left handers. That’s really the heart and soul of his issues. If you’re breaking down a season into line-up spots, you’re looking at sample sizes that are WAAAAAAY too small.
Bottom line: Nick is right when he says “Whatever. It doesn’t matter after the first inning.”
Bedard says he doesn't care and thinks goals are pointless.
clean-up hitter
I don’t have a strong opinion other than to say that Miguel Tejada as our clean up hitter makes me very sad. 2010 ZiPS for Tejada 297/336/433. Woot.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
According to Tom Tango's "The Book"...
….the cleanup spot is the place to put your best overall hitter, and your second best should hit second. Meanwhile, your 3 hole hitter should have the highest slugging but not the best OBP.
So, while Trembley will never do this, I think that we should alternate Jones and Markakis at 2 and 4 based on the starter, and for now bat Scott 3rd.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
It's hard to bat a guy 3rd
that most of you don’t even want in the lineup.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Also not sure about Bringing Heat's info about Aubrey and Atkins
I don’t think Atkins name is written in ink on the line-up card at first, but i think for now Trembley’s using a pretty heavy pencil.
Strasburg was considered a once in a decade prospect
Perhaps even once a generation. On pure physical talent, the aren’t even on the same planet. Strasburg has 3-4 plus plus pitches, iirc matusz is considered to have one. Matusz Throws low 90s, strasburg hit 102 last year. I love matusz too but that’s why they arw considered different
by GeoffreyA on Feb 15, 2010 10:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Strasburg is still considered a once in a decade prospect.
Strasburg is so big that I have no idea what’s real and what isn’t.
To echo Geoffrey, Strasburg has 3-4 plus pitches (Matusz 1 or 2). Plus Strasburg has excellent control. Forget the hype. That’s what real.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
Are his 3rd and 4th pitchers really “plus” already? Last I read they were still developing, but I haven’t paid much attention to him in the last few months.
From what I've read
He’s mostly a slider and fastball pitcher but his curve ball is also a very good pitch. He also has a change up but he doesn’t use it alot. So 3 plus pitches is a better description.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
Yeah
I guess it’ll be hard to tell how good his 3rd and 4th pitches actually are until he has to actually rely on them to get hitters out.
http://projectprospect.com/article/2009/10/13/stephen-strasburg-scouting-report
According to here, he has three plus pitches: two types of fastballs and a slider/curve.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
yeah
I’m not even sure I read that curve/slider review as being a plus pitch since it sounds pretty inconsistent.
Strasburg calls his primary breaking ball a slider, most scouts call it a curve, but batters call it nasty. Sitting in the low 80’s the pitch has very late 11/7 or 12/6 break.
I think most scouts label it as a plus pitch.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
Well
except that he says specifically that the two fastballs are “plus” pitches and doesn’t say that about his curve/slide. All the things that you bolded above are just about nastiness – for something to be a plus pitch you need to be able to throw it where you want.
He has a fantastic fastball that can hit 102 mph, and a devastating slider that sits around 94 mph and at most times seems untouchable.
http://scoutingthesports.com/?p=2771
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
haha
well that’s a totally ridiculous report – they are saying he throws his slider faster than his two seamer??? Forgive me if I immediately disregard that.
Ok, well, I’ve read some pretty nasty things about his slider/curve. If you read a report that doesn’t label as a plus pitch, I’ll believe you.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
Again though...
there’s a difference between something being nasty and something being a plus pitch. For something to be a plus pitch you have to be able to throw it consistently where you want. Everything I’ve read about his slider (including ALL the things you posted) are that it is explosive and devastating, but inconsistent.
Huh?
The debate was not about whether he was going to be effective with his slider the way it was, but whether he really had 3-4 actual “plus” pitches at the moment.
So let me get this straight, you think Strasburg’s curve/slider is a just an average pitch scouting wise? I get the sense that he commands it well enough to be considered a plus pitch but hey, it’s a matter of interpretation.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
Who said anything even remotely like that?
Obviously the movement and velocity is awesome, but for it to be better than the league average slider, yes he will have to be able to consistently throw it where he wants to throw it.
Still, the good breakers out-numbered the poor ones and the offering has definite swing-and-miss ability.
Look, from the scouting report, his command of his slider is the weakest no doubt. But look at the above sentence from the SAME scouting report, his command of that may be weaker but it sounds like it’s still adequate combined with the pitch’s movement, well, that sounds pretty good endorsement.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
Good breakers/poor breakers has nothing to do with location or command – that has to do with the quality of the break – the sharpness.
Adequate is not at question here – plus is. Plus is a technical scouting term that scouts use to describe pitches that are above major league average. If you can’t throw a pitch consistently where you want it I don’t see how it can be above major league average.
Again I’m not saying it can’t be an awesome pitch, but “plus” is an actual technical scouting term and I was asking whether scouts have actually described it as a plus pitch. If that’s the case great, but none of the stuff so far has.
Good breakers/poor breakers has nothing to do with location or command – that has to do with the quality of the break – the sharpness.
When he writes the good breakers outnmber the bad ones, I’m assuming he’s, at least partially, talking about command. It’s kind of a vague setence though…
Adequate is not at question here – plus is. Plus is a technical scouting term that scouts use to describe pitches that are above major league average. If you can’t throw a pitch consistently where you want it I don’t see how it can be above major league average.
That’s fine. I see the logic and reason behind that. I don’t disagree.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
Agreed on the good breakers/bad breakers – he could very well mean the overall quality of the pitch rather than just the break. Part of my assumption was just based on personal experience there – when we’d be working on sliders or curve balls or splitters or whatever we’d talk about the break separately from the location or speed. Like “that had some great break, but I need to get it down” or whatever.
when we’d be working on sliders or curve balls or splitters or whatever we’d talk about the break separately from the location or speed. Like "that had some great break, but I need to get it down" or whatever.
Yeah, that’s fine. Break, speed, location (or command), I get it. I don’t disagree. I’m just saying that the scouting report seem indicate that his break and speed on his curve/slider is excellent and his command is OK, good at best. Combine the three, and that seems like a plus pitch. If the scouting report said, plus movement and speed but no command, then yeah, there’s no way that pitch should be labeled a plus pitch (actually that description reminds of Daniel Cabrera). But his command doesn’t seem bad at all. It’s just not as refined in comparison to his fastball.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
Yeah it doesn’t sound bad. I also really think that he just hasn’t had to throw that or his change up that often, so we really don’t know what those pitches are capable of becoming. I mean I know he wasn’t always a hard thrower and he got himself onto a pretty damn good college baseball team, so he probably had decent off speed to begin with, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see him have great command of 2 plus offspeed pitches once he’s actually forced to throw them.
I feel like in college he was probably mostly throwing offspeed to show the scouts. Having to throw offspeed out of necessity will put a fire under you to get better at it ASAP. And as you say it sounds like he’s already pretty good at it.
I also really think that he just hasn’t had to throw that or his change up that often,
The scouting report definitely said he doesn’t throw his change up much. But several scouting reports said he throws his curve/slider quite a bit.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
Yeah but don’t you think that’s mostly for show? I watched the video of him throwing that no-hitter last year and the times he threw sliders it was basically just for a guaranteed strikeout on an 0-2 count. It wasn’t exactly out of necessity.
I’m not sure where you’re going…. are you saying that if he wanted to, he could just throw his fastball and get the same results, but he throws in his curve for “show”? If that’s what you’re asking, not sure… not sure if I care either!
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
Sort of
He probably would have had less strikeouts, but yeah he definitely didn’t NEED an effective slider/curve to dominate college baseball when he was throwing in the upper 90s with movement and pinpoint control. So yeah I think some of it was for show and that once he NEEDS to throw it in order to be effective (and he definitely will need to throw it in the majors) it will probably get even better.
His out pitch is a plus power curve that he throws in the mid 80s,
http://web.sny.tv/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100215&content_id=8076376&oid=35003_f&vkey=42
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
Well, there’s the other report you refuse to acknowledge! I promise you won’t you spontaneously combust into flames if you acknowledge the possible validity of an opposing viewpoint.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
I said very clearly – there’s 1. Obviously there’s not a consensus though like his other pitches. That was my point from the get-go.
Yeah, and I’m counting 2 because the other report, the one you refuse to acknowledge, basically describes his curve/slider as a plus pitch (good movement and good command). Considering that I’ve only linked three reports, that’s 2 out of 3! But yes, there’s certainly not a consensus on his command (and not just on his slider/curveball either. There’s also concern about his mechanics but that’s another issue). But I have a feeling there’s rarely complete consensus when there’s scouting reports. Each scout comes to slightly different conclusions.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
Only the last one calls it a plus pitch. As I explained earlier “plus” is an actual technical term that scouts use – it does not mean good movement and good command – it means above average at the major league level. If they thought it was a plus pitch they would have said it was a plus pitch.
above average at the major league level.
Sure, I don’t have a problem with that. Good movement and good command probably means an average pitch at the major league level.
If they thought it was a plus pitch they would have said it was a plus pitch.
Eh, maybe… depends on a lot of things.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
probably means an above average pitch at the major league level that is.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
Eh, not really.
But I’ll also note that the scouting report you refuse to acknowledge doesn’t list any pitches as “plus” pitches. I imagine the writer does see something in Strasburg’s repertoire that is constitutes a plus pitch. He just chooses not to use that language.
Any ways, this conversation is going nowhere. You’re not going to acknowledge the possible validity of a viewpoint different (i.e, the possibility that some scouts see his curve/slider as a “plus” pitch) and I’ve got work to do!
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
Yes really. Almost everybody in the majors has two pitches that have good movement and good control. The number of exceptions can be counted on one or two hands at most.
You’re right that person doesn’t use the word plus for his fastball either. I really can’t take their report seriously when they say his slider sits at 94 mph – that would be just about the fastest slider in history and none of the other scouting reports are reporting it anywhere near that fast.
The discussion is going just fine – if you don’t want to continue it don’t respond any more rather than doing your usual bullshit about saying I’ll never concede a fucking point. God am I fucking tired of that shit.
Also, where does he say his slider is faster than his two seamer? I took another look at the article I couldn’t find but I may have missed it.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
He says it sits 94
while the other scouting reports says his 2-seamer sits 90-93. So he’s not saying it himself, but his reporting of his slider is faster than the other report of his 2-seamer (over the course of 4 games).
If his slider actually sat 94 that would mean that it hits 96-97 and maybe even 98 which is just totally absurd.
I don’t think the radio gun readings are quite comparable because differences in speed readings could be due to technical differences (e.g.., different guns giving different speed readings to the same pitch) and/or daily fluctations in speed. Overall, the scouting report says his fastball is a faster than his slider and his command of all of his piches is good.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
It's true
that different guns give different readings, but there are no two guns in the world (at least not that are used by actual or even pretend scouts) that would be off by that much. Juggs are notoriously faster than Stalkers, but by only a MPH or two – 3 at most.
I just found that report to be a bit over the top based on that.
Stadium guns are notoriously amped.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
That’s true. But it seems like you get rather wide estimates of pitch speed for lots of pitchers (not just Strasburg). Either people are making up shit or the reliability of gun readings is poor.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
Yeah
I think some of that is just journalists not understanding what scouts actually report, like the jackass ESPN guys saying that Strasburg “throws 100 mph” or “sits at 100 mph” rather than understanding that he really throws 96-97 and HITS 100 and occasionally 102. I would expect to see much more reasonable consistency if we got to see actual scouting reports.
strasburg
6 wins 5.32 era i mean comon it’s the nats or h suffers a carrer ending injury because the nats are cursed
re: Strasburg
There’s just no way he starts the year in Washington, so Matusz will have a head start on him in that regard, maybe even as much as half a season. So if I had to guess, I’d say Matusz can rack up more value just because he’ll be playing that much more and I don’t expect Strasburg to be so far above him right from the get-go. I mean, there HAS to be some kind of learning curve at the major league level, right?
Bedard says he doesn't care and thinks goals are pointless.
sometimes
i forgot who, but a Hall of Famer, think it was a Tiger, didn’t even play minor league ball. IIRC it was Kaline, but I’m not sure.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah but
the Nats, even with Strasburg going from Day One, aren’t going to get into the playoff discussion and they know it, so it would behoove them to hold Strasburg back so they can hold onto him for another year, just like we did with Wieters last year.
Bedard says he doesn't care and thinks goals are pointless.
I think Dave Winfield and John Olerud
…were the last noteworthy players to totally bypass the minors. Someone will probably come up with a more recent example now that I’ve said that, but I really don’t think it happens much anymore.
Pete Incaviglia
Not exactly a hall-of-famer, though. (He did play in the minors at the end of his career, but he started in the majors.)
by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Feb 15, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I mean, there HAS to be some kind of learning curve at the major league level, right?
Yes. I always remember the truism that in the minors, every single guy you face who comes to the plate is worse than the #9 hitter on the big club.
That’s gotta be a big adjustment.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
I don't know about that
I’d probably be willing to bet that Jason Heyward could outhit Cesar Izturis last year.
Bedard says he doesn't care and thinks goals are pointless.
of course there are exceptions.
so maybe not every single guy. but the overwhelming majority of them.
to look at it a different way, when you come to the majors, maybe 90+% of the guys you face are better hitters than anyone you’ve ever faced before.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
well for NL I'd be the 8 hitter.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
In the AFL, Strasburg had trouble keeping the ball down
That could have been for a lot of reasons, but we’ll see if he has the control of his stuff that it will take for him to reach his ceiling.
I’ll also add that several people seem to have strong concerns about Strasburg’s mechanics.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Good news guys
The Schmucker is headed down to Spring Training. Can’t wait for Postcards from Hooters!
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/schmuck/2010/02/goin_south_1.html
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Did you see undercover boss with the CEO of Hooters last night? I liked it a lot.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I caught the last half
I was hoping he’d give Jimbo the ax, but I guess he’s nicer than me.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
You guys weren't watching biathlon replays?
Weird.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
i was watching
people fix potholes NASCAR before that.
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
That was crazy
They’ve had that happen before, but not at the Daytona 500. Can’t imagine running over a pothole with a race car at 195 mph.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
i hate running over potholes at 45mph
the street around here is full of them now cuz of all the salt and stuff. they keep getting covered by snow too so you cant see ’em
by twistedlogic on Feb 15, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure
they said that they hadn’t paved the track since 1977. Huh? You mean that pothole actually surprised you?
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Not at Daytona, but it happened last year somewhere else during a Sprint Cup race
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
I probably should have been
Undercover Boss…I’ve watched both episodes and both times I’m thinking to myself, “Why the hell am I watching this?”
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
because it's realy interesting?
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
It has its moments
I loved the Lucy and Ethel moment at the trash conveyor belt in the first episode but mostly it gets on my nerves. As my friend Jason said when we were watching the episode that aired after the Super Bowl, “Am I seriously watching some girl press F7 on television?”
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
I made a few Sporcle quizes
HOF Managers
All century Team
best slugging %
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 12:25 PM EST reply actions
Should Frank Robinson be on the HOF quiz?
What looks large from a distance, close up ain't never that big.
by mystery tramp on Feb 15, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
went in as managers
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
can't wait for SBX
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 1:13 PM EST reply actions
i cant wait for jacobellis to try grabbing her board again
and totally eat it. what an embarrassment.
by twistedlogic on Feb 15, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
she said she'd do it again.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
hopefully to the same result
if shes that cocky, she ought to lose.
by twistedlogic on Feb 15, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
I don't ever say to myself anymore
“I think I’ll listen to some Dave Matthews Band.” It just doesn’t happen with my current musical taste. But when I put the old iPod on shuffle and one of his songs comes on I’m sometimes amazed how much I still like the it.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Thanks for the update, Peter King :)
Sorry, but that reads EXACTLY like something out of his MMQB column.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
I don't know who Peter King .
I also don’t know what MMQB means.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
let me help
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
I liked the tinyurl.com fake-out
Nice touch.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
I did google him
I wasn’t ASKING who he was, I was stating a fact.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
He's this guy
and duck’s right. Check the bottom of the fourth page of his column.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/02/14/offseason/index.html?xid=si_nfl
"I think it's a disgrace they only beat the average team by 10 games in the standings with three times the money. I'd fire that GM. You don't need a GM. All you have to do is buy the last Cy Young Award winner every year" - Steve Bisciotti on the NY Yankees
Might have been funnier if this was a rickroll
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 15, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
that's what i was expecting, actually
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Dave Matthews SUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSS
He’s the Adam Eaton of shitty jam bands.
"I'd like to do something. We all would here," he added. "As I've said before, you just don't want to do anything stupid that you're thinking in May, 'What in the God's green earth was I thinking about?'" - Andy MacPhail 12/8/09
by getxstoked on Feb 15, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pardon me if I don't agree with your every musical taste
Some of the stuff you listen to would make my ears bleed :P
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Most of it, actually
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Yeah, pretty much.
Considering I saw a band called Murder Death Kill on Saturday…
"I'd like to do something. We all would here," he added. "As I've said before, you just don't want to do anything stupid that you're thinking in May, 'What in the God's green earth was I thinking about?'" - Andy MacPhail 12/8/09
but is he a good musician?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
he's no bruce springsteen.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
so what
that doesnt make him bad or mean he sucks
by twistedlogic on Feb 15, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
JOKING... inside joke from the last thread.
I actually like Dave Matthews. I’ve seen live a bunch of times (although not in the last 10 years nor do I have the interest anymore). And I went to JMU waaay back when Dave Matthews was playing Trax in C-ville every Thursday. So relax.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
I saw him in concert in 1999
Great time but the idea of doing the same thing now is not something that interests me. Dave is for the youngsters.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
I probably first saw him in 1995ish? So HA, I beat you. I’m the more “authentic” Dave Matthews fan. I also saw him at Nissan Pavilion (not sure what that place is called these days) and some person died when he/she fell down the stairs.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
"fell" down the stairs
or threw themselves down?
"I'd like to do something. We all would here," he added. "As I've said before, you just don't want to do anything stupid that you're thinking in May, 'What in the God's green earth was I thinking about?'" - Andy MacPhail 12/8/09
more authentic = older
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
more authentic = better
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
oh and
Nissan is also where I saw him. I think it’s called like “Jiffy Lube Pavilion” or something like that now. That’s the only time I ever went to Nissan.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
OMG, I thought you were just joking around with the Jiffy Lube Pavilion thing but it’s actually called Jiffy Lube Live now. What a lame ass name. I hated that place.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
ahahhah no
I heard it on the radio the other day and they were like “Jiffy Lube Live…formerly Nissan Pavilion.” I mean I know Nissan was also a corporate sponsor but Jiffy Lube Live is just a ridiculous name.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
First national tour in Richmond
So there.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Oh Duck, I was following Dave Matthews before he was doing national tours. So THERE!
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
hhahah I like "oh duck"
Like, silly duck, silly boy.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Yo Stacey
Are you the one making those Orioles Sporcles? If so, keep up the good work.
which one?
the Opening Day rosters?
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
ha yeah that's me
Sadly you can only make a certain number per month so I’m out of commission until March at which point I’m sure I will have lost interest.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
have you done orioles' hall of famers
If not, I CALL DIBS!
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
You are WAY too excited about this...
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
when does school start up again?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
wednesday
we’ve already got tuesday off.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Possibly tomorrow
We’re supposed to be 2 hours late tomorrow.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Just made it
http://www.sporcle.com/create/test/10ba3c
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Best quote of the Olympics
“Try to imagine Pegasus mating with a unicorn and the creature that they birth. I somehow tame it and ride it into the sky in the clouds and sunshine and rainbows. That’s what it feels like.” Graham Watanabee on how it feels to be an Olympian.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 3:31 PM EST reply actions
graham sounds like he should be on the greek wrestling team
if ya know what i’m sayin’.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
No, I don't.
Please explain. This former HS wrestling coach is extremely interested in your answer.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
i think because it sounds like something from a greek myth
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
naaah, i think you catch my drift.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
bode's BAH-ACKKK
won the bronze. less than 2 hundreths of a second off of silver and a tenth out of gold. good show, old sport.
which network? cuz it's not NBC.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
it'll be on NBC during primetime
but you can watch some of it online.
by twistedlogic on Feb 15, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
thanks
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
USA and MSNBC and CNBC during the day. NBC does some during the day, too
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
this
although only NBC is covering the major events like skiing and snowboarding etc. CNBC and the like have hockey and curling.
by twistedlogic on Feb 15, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
(finds CNBC)
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
man USA vs. Canada on the 21st is gonna be awesome
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
except that the usa just isnt that good at curling
by twistedlogic on Feb 15, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
we ARE however, good at snowboarding
mo’ gold for us! kinda hate that i have to wait until 8 or something to actually see this. knowing NBC, they’ll have figure skating on all evening and then wait to put the good stuff late.
by twistedlogic on Feb 15, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
hockey
all though i can tell you’re being sarcastic.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
well....compared to our competition, we arent good at hockey
but we arent good at curling either.
by twistedlogic on Feb 15, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
hey, stranger things have happened
i’m gonna refrain form making a zing, because it’ll result in a hockey argument.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
why would a zing be necessary?
and why would there be an argument? they play the game for a reason.
by twistedlogic on Feb 15, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
no, it'd be a zing about the caps
nevermind
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
what does that have to do with olympic hockey?
by twistedlogic on Feb 15, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
it doesn't really
like i said, nevermind.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
ps
check the standings if you’re confused :-)
by twistedlogic on Feb 15, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
standings are only for playoff seedings.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
and?
seeing as though the playoffs have not yet occurred, its really hard to say anything about them.
by twistedlogic on Feb 15, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
about this year's team, no.
The team’s history.
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
hit enter to early
i can talk about.
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
just saw bettman and barneby talk about the olympics
they’re acting as if canada has no competition, uh henrik lundqvist, evgeni malkin, and alex ovechkin have something they’d like to say to you.
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
did i really type bettman?
i meant melrose.
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
funny face
http://s830.photobucket.com/albums/zz230/BSFpIcS/?action=view¤t=cc.jpg
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 5:18 PM EST reply actions
Getting my ass kicked on centsports today
Apparently i should stay away from betting on tennis players i’ve never heard of
HAHAHA
me too! and to think that i only bet on the heavily favored ones. good thing i recovered with bode miller :-)
by twistedlogic on Feb 15, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
I had been doing well so far with parlaying a bunch of heavy favorites into one decent return
But a couple upsets today has wiped out like 50% of my account.
same here...i'm down to like 15 cents
all coming from bode’s clutch win. i kept making 4 and 5 line parlays on the tennis matchs and always ended up losing one of them. some of them were like 20 or so cents to win like 5 too. stupid.
by twistedlogic on Feb 15, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
tennis bets?
shouldn’t you have knowledge on things you’re going to wager play money on.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
the fun of winning
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
its really fun to win large sums of....pennies
on teams/players you have never heard of.
by twistedlogic on Feb 15, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
although i reallllly wish we could have bet on the snowboard cross. i actually followed a lot of skiing and snowboarding this year.
by twistedlogic on Feb 15, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
College basketball's really my primary game right now
I’m going big on Maryland and Villanova tonight to try make a lot of it back.
I'm not gonna watch the UMd game
I still to digusted to watch.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not gonna get to worked up over a loss in Cameron
Tonight’s a must win though.
by kba26 on Feb 15, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
therein lies your problem
betting on teams like maryland :-)
9 point spread on uva? lafffff
by twistedlogic on Feb 15, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
ah
that wasnt available when i bet on it. Nine points is mildly ridiculous, although we are playing our 3rd game in 4 days.
by twistedlogic on Feb 15, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno, i can see them covering
Especially with it being at Maryland, as long as they can even partially contain Landesberg 9 isnt too bad. In their 3 ACC home games, MD’s won by 24, 22, and 21. Now that was NC State, Miami, and UNC, but i like their odds against Virginia.
however, two of the three were at one point ranked
just not when we played them.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
same here
and we also beat them. awful shooting against NC State, but played exceptionally well against miami and UNC. actually, we handed UNC their worst loss during the roy williams era at that point (they’ve had three more crushing defeats since).
by twistedlogic on Feb 15, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
maybe you can bet on the odds of me actually finishing the part of my thesis due this week
by twistedlogic on Feb 15, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
i'll bet no
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
do you want me to be honest or polite?
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
i just threw that out there as a joke
i should have known you’d make some smart-ass remark on it.
by twistedlogic on Feb 15, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
we're covering, and then some
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
shoud be 18, we'd still cover it :0
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
we don't need luck, we got the vasquez shimmy
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
that worked well against duke didnt it.....
by twistedlogic on Feb 15, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
grevis doesn't waste his shimmy on ugly people.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
yeah it did
17 points well
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
You know, he's good, but i'm looking forward to the post-Vasquez era
I think Jordan Williams was All-ACC potential and team will be a lot more consistent with him as its focus.
I really like Jordan
however, I’m biased, I like any one who has the same first or last name as me.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
This struck me as a wild boast, and yet it would have paid off
I can’t imagine a reason to ever bet on Maryland, though. They are capable of losing to any team in the country. The thing is, they are also capable of beating any team in the country. But you never know which Maryland will show up.
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 15, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'm designing a website.
And learning HTML in the process.
On another note, my best friend can be really shallow. She texted me this: "I’M TALKING TO KEVIN J. and I TALKED TO JOE BEFORE!!!
If you didn’t get the reference, those are two of the three members of the sucky teeny bopper bubblegum bullshit band called the Jonas Brothers. Yuck.
Complaining is good for you as long as you're not complaining to the person you're complaining about. - Lynn Johnston (I don't know who that is...but it's a good quote.)
how is she "talking"?
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
That...
I don’t know. I’m waiting for her reply.
Complaining is good for you as long as you're not complaining to the person you're complaining about. - Lynn Johnston (I don't know who that is...but it's a good quote.)
she's talking to the jonas brothers.....
…and you’re learning HTML.
in ten years, she’ll be working for you.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
unless she marries one of them
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
I couldn't have said it better myself.
those are two of the three members of the sucky teeny bopper bubblegum bullshit band called the Jonas Brothers. Yuck.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Not a fan of the Jonas show
but my 24-year-old girlfriend watches the Disney Channel all the time and it’s growing on me. I find myself humming that Selena Gomez song at all times of day – it’s a little scary.
i think so
you don’t see me playing with my 7 year old toys.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
i sense a big argument coming
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
what's that supposed to mean?
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
I see
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
I just looked at the disney channel website and list of shows
it’s even more absurd looking than I was thinking when you originally said it.
And they make all these untalented teens into big stars
so tweenage girls can go apeshit over them. It’s beyond me. Selena Gomez can’t sing. She. Can’t. And the Jonas Brothers have ZERO talent. Please, Miley Cyrus? She’s a PR disaster drama queen bust-in-the-making. Or maybe she’s already a bust. Not sure.
Complaining is good for you as long as you're not complaining to the person you're complaining about. - Lynn Johnston (I don't know who that is...but it's a good quote.)
Jeez, teenage minds think alike.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
That shit rules
and I don’t care.
"I'd like to do something. We all would here," he added. "As I've said before, you just don't want to do anything stupid that you're thinking in May, 'What in the God's green earth was I thinking about?'" - Andy MacPhail 12/8/09
I could cross-genre remix album still requires a good touch though
Grey Album = amazing.
Jay-zeezer = meh.
Definitely
but there are lots of good mashups with party and bullshit – BIG killed the song so well that it lends itself nicely to lots of different beats.
it's for 10 year olds
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
i agree with OF here.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
i was thinking the same.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
No, not really.
I hate it.
Complaining is good for you as long as you're not complaining to the person you're complaining about. - Lynn Johnston (I don't know who that is...but it's a good quote.)
Different people have different outlets for recreation and leisure
Life is stressful and people cope differently. Let’s be inclusive and tolerant instead of exclusive and judgmental!
Seriously
I do not get people who like to act all smug and morally superior because they like something different than someone else. it’s so fucking obnoxious. People like what they like and as long as it doesn’t hurt you why do you think it’s ok to be rude about it?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: one of the greatest days of my life was the day I stopped caring what people think about it. And it goes both ways because it was around the same time I stopped thinking that people different than me are automatically less.
Disclaimer: I’ve had just enough beer tonight to be rambly and a bit belligerent.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Let's all relax for a second.
If you can’t mock the fucking disney channel around here I don’t know what the world is coming too. Weird/odd does not mean less (as you seem to imply above) – it means weird! Nothing wrong with being weird!
I'm just saying
It’s pretty fucking rude to talk shit about someone girlfriend’s tv preferences. If it was Phil, yeah then ok let’s all joke around because we’re buds. But it’s some dude on here’s girlfriend who you don’t even know.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
"That doesn't make it ok..."
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
c'mon
PhilR8 himself said “it’s a little scary”. I don’t think OF21 did anything particularly offensive by saying “weird.” It’s pretty tame compared to some of the fur that flies around here.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
That's not what Phil said
He said it’s a little scary that he finds himself humming some song from the Disney Channel. Then a bunch of people (I wasn’t trying to single out O’sfan21, he’s just the one who responded) starting giving a bunch of shit about it not being ok because she’s a grown up.
Look maybe I overreacted a touch, that I’m willing to concede. But I feel like every single day there are a bajillion comments about someone being all judgey about someone else because something they say or do doesn’t jive with their idea or right or normal. It gets tiresome.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
We're just joking around.
I’ve been made fun of on here and you don’t see me taking offense.
Admittedly some teasing gets a bit out of hand at points, but I think that’s just part of the atmosphere here. I’m not saying that’s a good thing or that the atmosphere shouldn’t change, I’m just saying, well, that’s the way it is.
Complaining is good for you as long as you're not complaining to the person you're complaining about. - Lynn Johnston (I don't know who that is...but it's a good quote.)
Ehhh
If you can’t say somebody or something is weird without a hissyfit ensuing I think there’s a problem. There’s being sensitive and reasonable and then there’s being hypersensitive…
I thought you were being rude, I said so.
If you can’t say someone’s being rude without them throwing a hissyfit then I think there’s a problem. :-P
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
We're cool
I was kinda belligerent last night anyway. I can’t wait until there is actual baseball to talk about.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
haha
yes. I’m going crazy. I was really annoyed to see that MASN is only going to show 4 ST games???
Really?
I hadn’t seen that. That totally blows. I mean, MASN exists to show us Orioles games, right? What would they possibly be pre-empting, the ESPN news loop they’re so fond of?
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Well, I did bring it up
A good rule of the internet: don’t bring up anything that you don’t want people to shit on. But I appreciate the sentiment anyway! I’ll probably keep the girlfriend out of future discussions.
Just for getxstokef
Damn, the Apocalyptica version of “Refuse/Resist” kicks all kinds of ass.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
by duck on Feb 15, 2010 7:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Stupid iPhone keyboard
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
by duck on Feb 15, 2010 7:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
we have a new member?
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
I'll have to search that out
Trivium covering “Slave New World” for more Sepultura…
"I'd like to do something. We all would here," he added. "As I've said before, you just don't want to do anything stupid that you're thinking in May, 'What in the God's green earth was I thinking about?'" - Andy MacPhail 12/8/09
You're killing me 'Nova
Who puts a team into the bonus with 12 minutes left in the half? UConn is gonna be able to hang around a lot longer than they should now.
I saw Brian Billick at a Panera Bread in Pikesville this afternoon
I figured I’d share here since many of us also like the Ravens. Deal with it. :P
I did not actually talk to him though, I figured it would be kind of rude. Also I probably would have ended up saying something about Kyle Boller which also would have been rude. He’s very tall.
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on Feb 15, 2010 7:44 PM EST reply actions
I think I saw Dexter Manley at Mama Lucia's once.
It was funny because I was just reading an article in the WaPo about how he was helping the community blah blah blah and I saw his picture. Then, my dad and I were eating, I look over, and here’s this huge muscular guy talking with this other huge muscular guy…it looks just like the man from the picture.
It was weird. I whispered it to my dad and he said I should get his autograph. I figured I shouldn’t bother him during lunch.
Complaining is good for you as long as you're not complaining to the person you're complaining about. - Lynn Johnston (I don't know who that is...but it's a good quote.)
Eric Hayes!
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 8:31 PM EST reply actions
I changed my mind
Can’t stand figure skating.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
I would like figure skating a lot more if i could understand the scoring
I hate watching a competition and having no idea how well someone did.
i want to see this Johnny Weir
He seems to be a big deal.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 15, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not crazy like PETA
but all the guy has to do is stop wearing fur to get the crazies off his back.
For the record, I hate PETA and think they’re wrong in most cases.
Complaining is good for you as long as you're not complaining to the person you're complaining about. - Lynn Johnston (I don't know who that is...but it's a good quote.)
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