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'He's the guy': A lot rests on Wieters' young shoulders - baltimoresun.com
Matt Wieters is no longer the new kid in town and he's ready to take on a big role on the team in 2010. Also, I know they are usually reserved for veteran players but I think this article might be our first official "best shape of his life" of the spring. -Stacey

Fight for Fifth
Baysox.com looks at five former Baysox as candidates for the fifth spot in the rotation: Chris Tillman, Jason Berken, David Hernandez, Troy Patton, and Jake Arrieta. I'm not sure what baysox.com is smoking, but they seem to be enjoying themselves over there. -Stacey

Orioles Team Report - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
Yahoo! has been very complimentary of the Orioles this off season and this team report is no exception. I'm bothered by the fact that they say Jim Johnson's season ended early due to arm problems and that he'll be fighting to return to form. JJ never spent any time on the DL and in fact pitched in three of the team's final five games. Things like that make me wonder what other misinformation I'm being fed that I just don't know about. -Stacey

Regarding Matt Albers' weight | Examiner.com
Jay Trucker wonders if Matt Albers will be in the best shape of his life coming into spring training but guesses probably not. He comments on people calling Matt "Fat Albers," when he stinks up the joint but does not point out when he pitches well and we call him "Phat Albers." Shame. -Stacey

Star-divide

PressBox: Five Questions As Orioles Head For Spring Training
Pete Kerzel poses five questions about the rotation, bullpen, lineup, Wieters, and surprises. -Stacey Matt Wieters (Mitch Stringer/PressBox) The Orioles team in Sarasota, Fla., for spring training and Grapefruit League play bears only a passing resemblance to the group that finishe

SNY.tv: Minor Developments: Top pitchers
It's just a short blurb on Brian Matusz on a list of promising young pitchers, but I always enjoy hearing an out of towner say that he's "smitten" with one of our guys. -Stacey

The Schmuck Stops Here: Zrebiec: Get me out of here
I'm not going to be continually pointing out the "hilarity" on Peter Schmuck's blog this spring training, but since this is the first one of the year please allow me one hearty sigh. -Stacey

The Nationals ticket sales desperation continues - Maryland Business
Basically, the Nats will practically pay you to watch them play. -zk

KFFL - Article - Fantasy baseball team profile: Baltimore Orioles
Interesting fantasy stuff about Camden Yards' effects on players. Did you know that plyers strike out at OPACY less than anywhere except Coors Field? Maybe it's because instead of whiffing they're hitting dingers off our pitcHing. -zk

PressBox: Media Guide: Not All Are Happy Marks Is Departing
I find this article extremely annoying. The writer, Dave Hughes, says that some advertisers are not happy Anita Marks has left 105.7 because she's "good looking and willing to do lots of promotions," and at the same time the comments received by listeners glad to see her go had a "strong hint of sexism." Anita Marks relative attractiveness aside, the fact is she had little knowledge of Baltimore sports and her personality bordered on infuriating. It's possible these comments were sexist, I don't know. Only one example is given: "Thank god she's gone. ... She wouldn't have gotten out of my Broadcasting 101 class. A horrible experiment mercifully ended. I can tune in to 105.7 in the afternoons again." That's not sexist at all. Overall I just think it's pretty ridiculous that in the same article it's noted that those who liked Anita liked her because she's a woman and those who disliked Anita disliked her because she's a woman (and I'm not sure either of those things are even true). I mean, I could probably talk about this all day, but I won't. -Stacey

And on this day in Camden Chat history....zk rounds up the spring training news in 2006, SC previews the Devil Rays in 2007, Reddrummer9187 wonders if Jeremy Guthrie can repeat in 2008, Titov posts some Roger Clemens slam poetry, and 7Swords of Salat says ZAUN five hundred times in 2009.

Why'd you turn against me, Gordon? For six years, I taughtcha how to skate, I taughtcha how to score, I taughtcha how to go for the "Open Thread". You could have been one of the greats! And now look at yourself. You're not even a has-been. You're a never-was. 

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Oh, Nats

As I mentioned on my blog last night, I just bought my first pack of 2010 Topps cards. This year, they’ve included “Franchise History” cards in the set. Most have a photo on the front showcasing a recent great moment in team history, like PHN celebrating a postseason win. (I think the O’s at least have Cal’s 2131.) I pulled the Nationals team history card and it’s just a photo of their cheesy new mallpark.

"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson

by Brotz13 on Feb 16, 2010 8:11 AM EST reply actions  

what's the pirates

drafting daniel moksos, or whatever his name is.

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 16, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Probably something from the 70's

The pirates were good at one point in time, just not since barry bonds played for them.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Feb 16, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

The did win two World Series in the 1970s

They beat the same team, but I forget which team that was…

by PhilR8 on Feb 16, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the other team wore orange

the giants? mets? Iduno

cxcxcxcxzzzzzzzzz

by Steve. on Feb 16, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I just realized

I forgot to do this day in Camden Chat history. Stay tuned!

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Feb 16, 2010 8:23 AM EST reply actions  

OLYMPIC REPORT***OLYMPIC REPORT***OLYMPIC REPORT***OLYMPIC REPORT***OLYMPIC REPORT***OLYMPIC RE-OK, YOU GET THE IDEA

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It wasn’t just in the sports sections, it was the LEAD STORY on Russian TV and radio news this morning.

DISASTER ON THE RINK!!!

Hey, Russia:

Ladies and gentlemen,
take my advice:
Pull down your pants,
and don’t win any figure skating medals, you snobby, whining, self-entitled douchebags!!!!

Sorry, I was a bit on edge just now. But I’m REALLY REALLY REALLY tired of this country’s undisguised claims to some imaginary authoritative status on all matters pertaining to figure skating, which is a “sport” right up there with ballroom dancing anyway.

There, I feel much better now.

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Feb 16, 2010 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

are they talking about hockey a lot?

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 16, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Whoops, here's the great slide-on-the-ice pic from Monday's action (if the damn link works):

http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/vancouver/blog/fourth_place_medal/post/Chinese-gold-ends-Russian-pairs-medal-streak?urn=oly,219856

Re hockey: Yes, they’re talking gold there— but their overall projection of 30-35 medals is now mentioned with rapidly-decreasing frequency, hee-hee.

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Feb 16, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

LINK FAIL

OK, let’s try the second pic down on this one:

http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/vancouver/blog/fourth_place_medal

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Feb 16, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

The "Happy Heckler" from TB

Looks like he is in a bit of financial trouble due to the recession.

by PhilR8 on Feb 16, 2010 10:52 AM EST reply actions  

bummer. that guy is a hoot.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Feb 16, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

I can’t stand him.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Feb 16, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

well, he’s not felix pie, that’s for sure.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Feb 16, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

well, he's no felix pie, that's for sure.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Feb 16, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean he's probably a nice enough fellow

But it got on my nerves listening to him every time the O’s played in TB.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Feb 16, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Stacey, just got the e-mails.

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 16, 2010 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

Regarding Ks at Camden Yards

anybody else think it has anything to do with the batters’ eye? The ivy covered wall in center has to be one of the biggest batters’ eyes in the majors. It seems like it gives the hitters an amazing backdrop to pick up the ball out of. I always wondered about that…

by O'sFan21 on Feb 16, 2010 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

Not what do you mean?

Are you saying that batters at Camden Yards don’t strike out that much because of the batter’s eye? I’m not sure I’m buying that…

Bedard says he doesn't care and thinks goals are pointless.

by Andrew_G on Feb 16, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes

What’s not to buy? If you can see the ball better at Camden Yards (because of the bigger batter’s eye) having less strikeouts would be logical.

by O'sFan21 on Feb 16, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Well

For one, prove that it’s a significantly better (not just bigger) batter’s eye. Then normalize for the pitching talent that is usually on the hill and the batting talent that is usually in the box compared to wherever else. I mean, I guess it sounds like a nice theory, but how would you even go about finding out if it’s a “better” batter’s eye? And what about potentially an approach from the coaches on putting the ball in play? Wouldn’t a better eye also lead to more home runs? But it isn’t like the Orioles have had a home run hitting team in a while.

I mean, there’s just so many factors at play, I have a hard time believing that it all comes down to the batter’s eye.

Bedard says he doesn't care and thinks goals are pointless.

by Andrew_G on Feb 16, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

It was a hypothesis – not a stated fact. Obviously there are a number of factors at play, but just looking at a bunch of google images of stadiums quickly CY has by far the biggest batter’s eye and as far as quality I don’t really see that as an issue since they are all pretty much the same – usually green things (either walls or hills of grass/ivy).

by O'sFan21 on Feb 16, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Also

I didn’t say it was THE responsible factor – I just asked if anybody else thought it had anything to do with it.

by O'sFan21 on Feb 16, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

chill down

I was just replying. It’s an interesting theory, I suppose…but I just have some strong doubts. How big does a batter’s eye really need to be, anyway? I’ve never stood in the batter’s box of any stadium, so I have no idea, but there has to be a point where size stops mattering because balls just don’t flow through too large of an area.

Bedard says he doesn't care and thinks goals are pointless.

by Andrew_G on Feb 16, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

At the risk of inviting a "that's what she said"

I think it’s a situation where “the bigger the better” would apply. Pitchers have all different kinds of release points and stand in all different spots on the rubber, so if a guy can stand and throw in a way that gets the release window outside of the batter’s eye it can really screw things up for a hitter.

by O'sFan21 on Feb 16, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

in the end you still have to have people who can hit.

We know mcgwire, bonds, and a-roid, a-fraud, a-hole could hit before but the roids made them THAT much better and stronger

"On my tombstone just write, 'The sorest loser that ever lived.'"
Earl Weaver

by matman008 on Feb 16, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Jim Palmer wanted to pitch Sunday day games at Memorial for a reason

All those white houses in the background gave him an edge. I’m not saying it’s a significant factor (if it was, wouldn’t the O’s offense benefit from 81 home games?) but it is possible to be a factor.

"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal

by duck on Feb 16, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

So

I was gonna buy myself a Felix Pie t-shirt on the orioles.com and their custom player t-shirts are $36.99. For a t-shirt? Am I wrong in thinking that is pure insanity?

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Feb 16, 2010 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

I had the same reaction.

They were $30 last season, and still were that price just a month or so ago. I’m hoping it’s just an error or something and it goes back to $30 in a few days or weeks. $30 was a bit expensive, but $37 is just getting silly.

Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.

by Vuff on Feb 16, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait

and maybe you can buy one that fell off a truck outside the stadium.

by O'sFan21 on Feb 16, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I would wait

and try and find a cheaper one at or near the stadium but I’m planning a trip down to ST and wanted to take it with me. Oh well I guess I’ll make do without. I think I’m going to have to shell out for Pie anyway if I want it, it’s not like they stock them next to the Wieters and Markakis tees at Modells.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Feb 16, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

I was just thinking maybe i could find an old Conine tee on eBay and doctor it up.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Feb 16, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I know

i was going to buy a Matusz 17, then I saw prices, and said "Screw that, I’ll get one from a street vendor.

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 16, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I was going to do the same thing, Stacey

Does Pie have a t-shirt Tuesday this summer? I don’t even know if they put out the Tuesday schedule, but it changes during the year, I believe.

Anyway, yeah its too expensive. But about a month ago, I got a pretty nice black/gray hoodie from Cooperstown Collection, with the Orioles old school schript in black felt with a gray tackle-twill outline. I’m gonna spend about $10 and get a number five and Robinson put on the back in the same style. I ended up getting the hoodie for free because a customer (or fired employee, I dunno) left it there and never claimed it.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Feb 16, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

They have up which days are going to be T-shirt Tuesdays, but nothing about who’s getting one. If it’s like it was last year, they don’t decide who the T-shirt will be for until a few weeks before the game. It’s too bad they’re all XL; I went to Reimold’s last year, but can’t really wear the thing. :P

Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.

by Vuff on Feb 16, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah it's all one size shirt

Logistically I understand but all of the t-shirt tuesday shirts are too big for me so it’s a bummer. I’ve given them all to good will (other than Markakis and Millar) because what else am I gonna do.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Feb 16, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

If I get any this year, they're yours :)

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Feb 16, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I get that they probably have to pick a single size, but XL seems like an odd choice.

by O'sFan21 on Feb 16, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess they figure if it's big more people can wear it?

I mean I see people wearing them all the time at games. I tried washing them in hot water and drying them on high to shrink them up. That helped a little bit but they were still way too long. But they’re men’s shirts and I’m short so there isn’t much hope. It’s cool though, I wear my Nicky shirt as pajamas because I love him.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Feb 16, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

My little sister tried one on

it was down to her ankles and wrists, it was hilarious looking.

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 16, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

why would you want one anyways?

by twistedlogic on Feb 16, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

HE'S ADORABLE!!

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 16, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

He's also a good baseball player that I have faith in

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Feb 16, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

amen.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Feb 16, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

O's Throwback

anyone know where I can get the throw back jersey B-Rob is wearing? I cannot seem to find it. Thanks

by Philly O's on Feb 16, 2010 12:06 PM EST reply actions  

Home from Mardi Gras

and, um… PITCHERS AND CATCHERS! Baseball is almost here, folks…

by daveh873 on Feb 16, 2010 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

I'm sure plenty of pitchers and catchers had already reported to Mardi Gras

Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008

by Eat More Esskay on Feb 16, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't talking about baseball players

Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008

by Eat More Esskay on Feb 16, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you happen to have any “Hand Grenades” when you were down there?

by BrianS on Feb 16, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I avoided them

I enjoyed Mardi Gras, but it was kind of a family thing. My gf is from the N.O. area so we were hanging with her family the whole time and going to the more family oriented parades instead of the more boobies-oriented tourist traps. Me after a few hand grenades is not the kind of impression I like to make on potential in-laws.

by daveh873 on Feb 16, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Makes sense…I hung out at the Tropical Isle a little too much, but I didn’t have to impress anyone.

by BrianS on Feb 17, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

that's what SHE said.

"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic

by zknower on Feb 16, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I love a good twss

but thats a bit of a stretch

by kba26 on Feb 16, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm voting stretch

"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal

by duck on Feb 16, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

well then obviously you've never had any "hand grenades" when you were "down there".

"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic

by zknower on Feb 16, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

WTF?

I’ve got USA on it says Hockey in the chaneel description, but instead I’m getting Curling, anyone else encountering this?

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 16, 2010 1:01 PM EST reply actions  

Curling is on now, Hockey is at 3pm

http://www.nbcolympics.com/event-results-schedules/day=05/index.html

Notice that everything is in “Vancouver Time,” which is three hours behind those of us who live on the East Coast. Maybe the guy who writes the descriptions at USA forgot about time zones.

by PhilR8 on Feb 16, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks a ton

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 16, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Add 3 hours to get Civilization Time

"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal

by duck on Feb 16, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

Mark Mulder retires? Wang signs with Nats? An interesting day so far.

by PhilR8 on Feb 16, 2010 3:11 PM EST reply actions  

Or not

Faked out by MLB Daily DIsh.

by PhilR8 on Feb 16, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

GOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 16, 2010 3:34 PM EST reply actions  

The Swiss are very agressive.

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 16, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

More goals!

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 16, 2010 3:57 PM EST reply actions  

why are you "sleeping"?

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 16, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

really?

i find it to be the most exciting sport of the major 4.

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 16, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't stand watching it.

For me it’s only slightly better than soccer as far as excitement. I definitely don’t know anything about it though so that probably explains it.

by O'sFan21 on Feb 16, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I find it to more exciting then soccer

No out-of-bounds, much smaller playing field, more scoring chances and a general fater tempo.

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 16, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

faster tempo.

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 16, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

really?

a sport where fighting is allowed (and often encouraged) is boring?

by twistedlogic on Feb 16, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd.

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 16, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh

the fights are mildly entertaining. That’s what makes it more interesting than soccer.

by O'sFan21 on Feb 16, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

c'mon! diving is the best part.

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 16, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

and baseball is more fun to watch?

i’d take hockey any day. i’ve played both competitively and i’d rather play hockey too.

by twistedlogic on Feb 16, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct.

Baseball is dramatically more fun to watch – for me.

by O'sFan21 on Feb 16, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Because

I know enough about it to watch subtleties that I find very interesting (pitch selection, defensive positioning, etc) and I don’t know anything like that about hockey. I also think the fundamental batter vs. pitcher match up is more exciting than anything hockey has to offer with the exception of a really good fight (most of them aren’t).

by O'sFan21 on Feb 16, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

thats fair

i guess you gotta watch a hockey game then!

by twistedlogic on Feb 16, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I really

need to sit down and watch a game with somebody who can explain what the hell is going on that people get excited about other than shots on goal/goals. Otherwise it’s just a lot of passing back and forth to me.

by O'sFan21 on Feb 16, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

i mean...hits are pretty exciting

except when they are cheap shots. i love how the blues announcers try to qualify this as just a normal interference on an unsuspecting player. even espn called that for what it was…a fucking elbow to the head.

but i guess fans cheer mostly cuz its a fast-paced, physical game that requires amazing skill. almost every player in the NHL is incredibly skilledand athletic.

by twistedlogic on Feb 16, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

naw

both capitals actually. the hit was from a guy on the blues. the goals are naturally alex ovechkin. (i mean, when it comes to highlight-reel goals, ovie has no peer)

by twistedlogic on Feb 16, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

do your self a favor

go on youtube, search for evgeni malkin goals, then come back to me. Did you forget the no-look wrister against the Hurricanes in Conference Finals, has Ovechkin ever scored behind his back in the playoffs?

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 16, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

has evgeni malkin ever scored from his back after weaving thru multiple defenders on his own?

ovie has. multiple times. in fact, its happened so often i’m bored when he doesnt do something like that. :-)

by twistedlogic on Feb 16, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

although this argument wont really go anywhere

since both guys have plenty of highlight-reel stuff. i still think the over-his-head-while-on-his-back goal is one of the greatest ever tho. i doubt i’m alone on that assessment.

by twistedlogic on Feb 16, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, but has he made sick goals in the playoffs?

because I know Geno has.

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 16, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I still think

that a great save is better than any goal, but then again I was raised on Brodeur and played goal for a while, so I might be biased.

by daveh873 on Feb 16, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

this

although some of ovechkin’s goals are insane.

he IS, however, still owned by marty. its a fact that i still have a hard time accepting. retire already, old man.

by twistedlogic on Feb 16, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not taking anything away from Ovechkin

I love watching him. The guy is just insane (as are Sid, Malkin, Kovalchuk, and a bunch of other guys from the current crop). No matter the sport though, i’ve always been more gung ho about the great defensive plays, and that’s most true about hockey.

And in my opinion, fighting is part of what ruins and marginalizes hockey, and I wish they’d do away with it.

by daveh873 on Feb 16, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

i dunno

fighting is and always has been part of the game. its very easy to injure (as that first link i posted shows) someone in hockey since you are moving so fast and have exposed areas such as the head. you gotta stand up for a guy who takes a hit like that. the other fighting i’d like to get rid of. its not really (IMO of course) a momentum shifter, although the hockey purists will likely tell you it is.

by twistedlogic on Feb 16, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know about that.

It’s really easy to injure people in baseball (fastball at the head) and football (diving at people’s knees) too and those sports seem to do just fine with much less fighting.

Why couldn’t hockey just deal with it like those sports do? If a pitcher buzzes or hits one of your guys you buzz or hit one of their guys – if somebody takes a cheap shot you take a cheap shot back. Why do they need to drop gloves and punch each other in the face over and over again?

by O'sFan21 on Feb 16, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

you've never seen a brawl before?

but thats what i like about hockey. most guys WONT take that cheap shot back. two wrongs dont make a right. a quick (well usually…unless you’re alex semin) fight does the trick.

by twistedlogic on Feb 16, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Right

they happen a few times a season.

Why is a fight better than returning the cheap shot? I mean it’s clearly more entertaining (just like a brawl is more entertaining than a retaliation HBP), but why is it preferable other than that?

by O'sFan21 on Feb 16, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

lol i was just making a joke

but cheap shots are how guys get hurt and generally, retaliation shots end in suspension (see green, mike). fights are quick, usually painless and that ends that. its not like getting an elbow to the face and then retaliating with an elbow to face that knocks a guy out like cam janssen did on brads there.

by twistedlogic on Feb 16, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

the cheap shots, as opposed to fights, only end in suspensions because that’s the way the league deals with it. In baseball brawls and cheap shots both end in suspensions/fines/etc. I don’t know that fights are so harmless – plenty of people break jaws/noses/eye sockets/hands, lose teeth, require stitches, etc from fighting.

But also if the point is to deter cheap shots wouldn’t fines and suspensions be the way to do it? I’m not sure the threat of getting into a fight really deters anybody from doing anything.

by O'sFan21 on Feb 16, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

its not to deter cheap shots

its just a way of retaliating without risking serious injury (i’m sure you can find the stats on it somewhere, but i havent heard anybody getting a serious fighting injury in the NHL in a while). the only thing that will stop cheap shots is long suspensions. however, those wont really stop some people.

by twistedlogic on Feb 16, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

WHY DO YOU ALL KEEP TALKIG HOCKEY

I CANT TAKE IT ENYMORE

"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic

by zknower on Feb 16, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

anything about the seriousness of injuries from fighting as opposed to cheap shots, but my point is more that if it’s the cheap shots that lead to fights there must be a lot of cheap shots going on since there are so many fights. So I don’t see how the fights prevent any injuries resulting from cheap shots if the fights are in response to the cheap shots. Are you saying that if not for the fights the cheap shots would be more severe and would result in more serious injuries?

And if suspensions won’t stop people fighting them surely won’t stop them either…

by O'sFan21 on Feb 16, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Child, please

You have lost ALL credibility when you compare Malkin to Ovechkin in terms of highlight reel goals.

THIS is the sickest goal scored in the NHL in the last decade. Prove me wrong.

OK, maybe it’s THIS one instead.

"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal

by duck on Feb 16, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

oh ps

that link i had above had these goals in there.

by twistedlogic on Feb 16, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

oh and did you catch the

“we cant see this enough. oh well, we can…cuz its against the phoenix coyotes…..” ???

LAFFFFF

by twistedlogic on Feb 16, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree with twisted

i look forward to a summer camp that i go two,that for 2 days, we play street hockey.

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 16, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I like watching hockey in person

I can’t get into it on TV though.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Feb 16, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

OH THE DRAMA OF WOMEN'S CURLING!!!

No it’s seriously dramatic, the USA-Japan game going down the final round, or whatever they call it.

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 16, 2010 7:38 PM EST reply actions  

session?

i think.

men lost to germany :(

by twistedlogic on Feb 16, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

BOO!

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 16, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

i believe each round is called an "end".

"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic

by zknower on Feb 16, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Jeez, we're beating Russia 13-0

Women’s hockey.

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 16, 2010 7:40 PM EST reply actions  

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