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AL East by Position: Second Base

Ranking the AL East second basemen is actually very tough. It's certainly harder than ranking the catchers and first basemen, although I got some hilarious hate mail from a Yankee fan for daring to suggest that Kevin Youkilis is a better defensive 1B than Mark Teixeira. My favorite part is where he wrote underneath his name "Bergen County, NJ: Yankee Country USA." My condolences to Dave and any other Camden Chatters who have to be surrounded by that nonsense constantly. 

But back to second basemen. Ben Zobrist had a monster year in 2009 but it was his first full time year and he was 28 years old so it's hard to predict what he'll do in 2010. To a lesser extent the same issue applies to Aaron Hill. Brian Roberts, as good as I think he is, also makes for a tricky decision. I honestly think there isn't a bad 2B in the AL East and I think most of these guys would be at the top of the list in most other divisions (please note that's being said without any analysis, just off the top of my head). 

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1. Dustin Pedroia - Pedroia actually reminds me a bit of Brian Roberts. They're both little guys who get on base a lot, have a little bit of power, and score a lot of runs. They're both the types of players who get labeled "scrappy" or some similar stupid word. The biggest difference between the two, of course, is that Pedroia has been doing what he does since age 23 whereas Roberts didn't start putting up those kind of offensive numbers until he was 27 and had been in the league for 5 years. Currently Pedroia is also superior defensively than Roberts, but when Roberts was Pedroia's age I'd say they were comparable. Honestly I know that a lot of Orioles fans really can't stand Pedroia but he's the kind of guy I'd love to have on my team, and that has a lot to do with the Roberts similarities I already mentioned.  I love Brian Roberts but time is passing him by. 

2. Ben Zobrist - This is where things get tricky. I don't know that Zobrist is really the 2nd best second baseman. Based on his 2009 season he'd be number one easily but I'm not ready for that, and not only because he only played 91 of his 152 games at 2B in 2009. Zobrist put up just ridiculous offensive numbers in 2009, way above his career average. It was also the first season that Zobrist ever played more than 62 games in a year he was 28 years old. I just don't know what to think about the dude. I think it's nearly impossible that he'll put up the same line he did last year (.297/.405/.543 with 27 HR) but he had good numbers in limited playing time in 2008 as well so I believe he'll probably have another above average year in 2010. 

3. Brian Roberts -  I struggled with this pick as well, going back and forth between Roberts and Robinson Cano. My first instinct and what I really wanted was to put Brian in this spot but it's easy enough to make an argument for Cano. I didn't want to sound like a homer but ultimately I've determined that Roberts does deserve the three spot, at least for this year. Yes, Roberts will be 32 years old and he's declined a bit defensively, but offensively Roberts provides the production and stability to put him ahead of Cano. Brian Roberts puts up a healthy OBP every year, hits a ton of doubles, and steals bases at an 80% success rate year after year. The good thing about Roberts is that you know what you're going to get from him. 

4. Robinson Cano - Cano has the potential to be a better hitter than Brian Roberts, but his weakness lies in his lack of plate discipline. In years when things go his way and he gets a lot of hits (see 2007 and 2009), Cano puts up a respectable OBP and that combined with his ability to hit about 20 HR lends itself to a successful year. Unfortunately for Cano he can't take a walk to save his life so if he ever has a less than great year, hits-wise, he's in big trouble (see 2008). Combine that with the fact that he's not a defensive marvel and he drops a notch below Brian Roberts. Still, he'll be just 27 in 2010 and could ultimately fall anywhere on this list. 

5. Aaron Hill - Unlike Ben Zobrist, I don't see much chance of Hill following his very successful 2009 with an equally successful 2010. First of all, his 2009 was good but it wasn't outstanding. With the exception of his power surge Hill was pretty much in line with career averages. He'd had a pretty awful 2008 though so in comparison he really appeared to be on another level. Aaron Hill is a perfectly good second baseman, but even in his so called career year his OBP was a pedestrian .330 (worst on this list). And while his power did boost his value substantially, it doesn't seem likely to last. Aaron Hill has 64 career home runs in 5 big league seasons and 37 of them came in 2009. Sounds to me like an anomaly. Defensively Hill is above average but those numbers actually took a dip this year as his offense improved. 

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i have to disagree with you

on Aaron Hill and Brian Roberts. first on Roberts i believe he is the 2nd best second baseman in the east for a few reason Zpbrist in my opinion had a above average year at 2nd base i mean he set career highs in all most every offenesive catergory like you said but i think he will have a average year and slip behind roberts, in mostly every catergory you mentioned. Now to Aaron Hill now i dont think he will become the AL MVP or the best 2nd baseman in the east but i believe he will surpass Cano. Hill is young and improving steadly in his play and i think Cano is starting to hit a wall i believe his defense will improve greatly this season while he takes a small dip in his offenseive totals

by Lancers25 on Feb 8, 2010 4:28 PM EST reply actions  

You could be right

Honestly I found these five guys tough to put into a hard set order. Zobrist especially I could see being the best 2B in the East in 2010 or the worst.

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by Stacey on Feb 8, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Hill is not that young (only 1 year younger than Zobrist no?)

and he more than doubled his HR total.

I think both he and Zobrist are due for a serious return to earth.

I also think Roberts seemed like he had sort of a fluky down year defensively and should have a better year this year. He made a lot of errors this year that weren’t due to a loss of speed or arm strength I thought.

by O'sFan21 on Feb 8, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Saying you would want Pedroia on the O's is BULLSHIT!

I hate you.

 - Dave
Bergen County, NJ: Birdland USA

by daveh873 on Feb 8, 2010 5:07 PM EST reply actions  

btw...

he didn’t say where in Bergen county he is, or give his full name, did he? Maybe I could drop by and say hi… we could be neighbors!

by daveh873 on Feb 8, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

He did give me his full name

Perhaps you could become BFFs. Or you could throw a Molotov cocktail through his window, whatever.

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by Stacey on Feb 8, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what I was talking about

the second part, that is.

If you mistakenly texted it to me, no one could ever hold you accountable. These damn new fangled phones are so tricky…

by daveh873 on Feb 8, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps you could get him to sing you a little karaoke SInatra. Seriously.

“The authorities do not know exactly how many people have been killed warbling ‘My Way’ in karaoke bars over the years in the Philippines, or how many fatal fights it has fueled. But the news media have recorded at least half a dozen victims in the past decade and includes them in a subcategory of crime dubbed the ‘My Way Killings’."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/world/asia/07karaoke.html?em

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by Titov on Feb 9, 2010 6:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Jeez, that's bizarre.

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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Feb 9, 2010 7:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah,

what to do with the BZA and Hill makes this very tricky indeed. I’d probably expect Cano to outperform Roberts in 2010, too….but a preseason prediction in this group is fucking impossible. I don’t expect Zobrist particularly to duplicate his 8.6 WAR season (I mean, are you kidding me? That’s just crazy! He’s probably on teh steroids!!!!!!!11), but he could regress a lot and still easily win the division. You just don’t know.

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by Andrew_G on Feb 8, 2010 5:58 PM EST reply actions  

The AL East is stacked. Pedroia is clearly the best 2B. Zobrist is second. After that, it’s a toss up. There isn’t much difference between Hill and Roberts. ZIPs projects 103 OPS+ for Roberts and 102 OPS+ for Hill. Cano is projected at 110 OPS+ but Roberts and Hill play better defense.

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by birdman on Feb 8, 2010 7:53 PM EST reply actions  

pedroia

Yeah, I’d prolly love it if Pedroia were on my team, but since he’s not, I wrestle with morals of starting a chant based on his brother’s problems. That’d prolly be wrong tho.

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Feb 8, 2010 8:46 PM EST reply actions  

I'll always hate Pedroia

and his pigbat face. I’d take his production, but i’ll hate him regardless.
Besides, he can’t hit the high inside heat.

by daveh873 on Feb 8, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

this won't be a popular statement...

but roberts is 5th on that list. it pains me to say it, but i think he’s going to slip this year and be pretty unplayable in two or three years. roberts is 32 years old and he’s simply not going to get better at this point in his career. the decline has already started and i don’t see a lot of productive 35 year old 2b out there.

most of the criticism of zobrist and hill seem to center around the huge step forward they took and the fact that they are unlikely to repeat it. and they won’t repeat it, but that doesn’t mean it was a fluke. these two guys were 28 and 27 last year. well, that’s when guys are supposed to peak, right?

i hate pedroia more than any other player in the league, but he’s damn good and is only 26. cano had a crazy good year in 2009 and he’s 27. all four of these guys are either at their peak or on the way up.

roberts is unfortunately on the down side of his career. sorry, but it’s true. as much as i like the dude, we probably should have traded him a couple years ago when we could have gotten something for him. when the o’s are poised to compete in 2011 or 2012, roberts is going to be a liability.

bring on the hate…

by joet on Feb 8, 2010 10:06 PM EST reply actions  

There's a difference

between peaking and doubling (or more) all previous production.

by O'sFan21 on Feb 8, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

No hate from me. I already said it’s toss up after Pedroia and Zobrist. Obviously Zobrist and Hill played over their head but they’ll be good players in 2010.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Feb 9, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

replt fail, meant to respond to joet

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Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Feb 9, 2010 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

well, that's not 100% fair.

because zobrist had never played a full season before. doubling your production when you’re only playing 60 games a year isn’t that hard. plus, regular playing time sometimes does wonders for a guy.

hill had a few seasons under his belt, but if you look, his rate stats didn’t improve by that much over 2007. his OBP went down a bit and his slugging went up some, but he was a decent hitter a couple years ago. he just happened to run into a bit of power last season – 2Bs went down, HRs went up. not that uncommon for a 27 year old.

i think both guys come back to earth a bit, but roberts is due to drop off more than 4 players in their prime.

by joet on Feb 9, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I was talking more about Hill with the doubling of production

but with Zobrist, I still think it’s perfectly fair to question whether a guy who’s never played a full season (for a reason I assume??) can just magically become a stud at age 28. That’s not a typical career trajectory.

by O'sFan21 on Feb 9, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

no hate from me either

Saying that Roberts is the worst second baseman in the division is no insult. It’s just a stacked position.

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Feb 9, 2010 2:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd actually go Roberts 4th

Pedroia fifth. You take a closer look at his stats, you’ll see it’s all done in Fenway Park, and Pedroia’s pretty meh on the road. There are also Red Sox fans who point out that pitchers figured out he can hit the high inside fastball, but sucks when it’s low and a way.

Cano’s gotta be #1, given his progress, Zobrist and Hill ahead of Roberts for monster seasons, but, yeah, we’ll see if they can keep it up.

Weird part is, those are just about the best 2b in the AL, not just the East.

by dmoynihan on Feb 9, 2010 1:35 AM EST reply actions  

that shocks me

even if his hitting isn’t off the charts (and if no one figures him out, it will remain solid) his defense is great. very good speed, good range despite his diminutive size. he’s more than just solid he’s one of the top 5 2B’s in the league IMO.
but that’s just IMO…

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by danielreese05 on Feb 9, 2010 7:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Five of the top eight 2B are in the AL by 2009 WAR values. Utley, O’s killer Ian Kinsler, and Felipe Lopez round out the top eight. Oddly enough, Lopez is still a free agent. If he has the arm strength, I would rather him at 3B than Mggi.

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by birdman on Feb 9, 2010 2:35 AM EST reply actions  

5 of the top 8 2B are in the AL EAST

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by birdman on Feb 9, 2010 2:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I can co-sign on this list

Although I’d probably rank ’em:

1) Pedroia
2) Cano
3) Zobrist
4) Roberts
5) Hill

Hell, as Stacey noted, it’s a toss for 2-5. And regarding the Pedroia hate: even if he’s in a stacked lineup and a favorable stadium, he still has to hit the ball. And the kid can rake it.

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by Ghost of Floyd Rayford on Feb 9, 2010 8:03 AM EST reply actions  

I keep thinking that the league

is going to figure Pedroia out since he has such a fucking horrible swing.

by O'sFan21 on Feb 9, 2010 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

Daniel Cabrera had the right idea

Put one in his ear

"I'd like to do something. We all would here," he added. "As I've said before, you just don't want to do anything stupid that you're thinking in May, 'What in the God's green earth was I thinking about?'" - Andy MacPhail 12/8/09

by getxstoked on Feb 9, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

my thoughts are similar

I’ve always felt that the AL East is a very good division as a whole. obviously. but what really struck me was how great the second basemen were. although I think Aaron Hill will have a bigger year than Roberts and Zobrist, even coming off an injury, I like that other people gave credit where credit is due with Pedroia. he’s a terrriffic player, even if I can’t stand his team.

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