Bullpen Banter's Orioles Preview and Top 25 Prospects
Hello Orioles Fans! My name is Michael Herrick and I have partnered with three other long time members of various SBN sites, JDSussman(formerly Metty5), alskor, and mrkupe, and we have been putting together a baseball website called Bullpen Banter. Any of you that frequent John Sickels' minorleagueball.com are probably familiar with the four of us.
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The Bullpen Banter Team is dedicated to providing outstanding baseball analysis from various points of view. Our website hosts both a chat room and a forum so our readers can constantly interact with a knowledgeable and vibrant baseball community. Each writer represents a different area in the country which provides a unique ability to gauge the thoughts of both the mainstream media and the fans in the region. Additionally, we are always open to new ideas and voices, so feel free to submit a guest piece.
We're previewing each team by division, we started with the NL and AL East and our Orioles Preview is now up!
We also have our top 25 prospects written up. Here is a sample for Mike Stanton:
Notre Dame High School has produced its fair share of notable baseball players. The most famous include Cy Young winner Jack McDowell, 1968 first overall draft pick Tom Foli, and the general manager of the '92,'93, & '08 World Series champions, Pat Gillick. Giancarlo Cruz- "Michael" Stanton has the potential to be among those names with his combination of athleticism and elite power. Stanton is young but relatively polished for a former football star who didn't concentrate fully on baseball until being drafted by the fins 79th overall in 2007. Stanton has deposited 68 baseballs over the fence in first three seasons and is arguably the fourth or fifth best player today from his draft class.
Steve Kuperman: Grade A easy for me, No. 4 on my list currently. If he had played in the FSL the entire year nobody would be asking questions, as he managed to absolutely crush the ball in one of the worst hitters' parks in the minors while cutting his strikeouts substantially. The guy gets tons of praise for work ethic.
JD Sussman: I disagree with your point on Stanton's contact issues. While he has been great thus far, I foresee his contact issues and poor pitch recognition limiting him offensively. What keeps him ranked so highly is that he should have solid defensive value in both his arm and his range. For me, he has the highest bust rate of any player int he top 10. If those issues really hurt him, in a years time he could be pretty far down the list, despite his accomplishments at a young age. I have him slightly lower at 9.
Michael Herrick: I can understand you knocking Stanton down a few spots due to the contact/strikeout issues, JD. I know the High A stint is a SSS, but his K rate wasn't horrible there. I think as long as he's not rushed too far, too fast the plate discipline can improve some, at least into a somewhat manageable <30% type of range. I guess I tend to see him as more of a .260 hitter in the bigs as opposed to something in the .230 range. That power is just such a valuable tool though, I really can't see him lower than 5.
Al Skorupa: Strikeouts a concern? Yes. Special bat despite that? Absolutely.
His 80 power is something that we can be fairly certain will come with him to the majors. He does enough other things well to still project as an offensive force despite some questions about his contact ability, patience and strikeouts.
Stanton is plenty athletic and a good fielder. He could very easily end up the best major leaguer out of the top 5 prospects, but I'm not ready to bet on that just yet.
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Ummm....
JD Sussman:
Young arms are going to be the key for the Orioles if they plan on competing with the two (three?) juggernauts at the top of the AL East. Tillman, Matusz, andHernandezBergesen took the mound in 2009 and we should see prospects Jake Arreita and Zach Britton at the big league level soon too.
Fixed.
Al Skorupa:
Many are confused the Orioles weren’t a little more aggressive and I share that sentiment to some degree. They really didn’t add any long term pieces and tried to fill in with veterans around the edges. This was perhaps an offseason where the O’s could have made some noise and taken some big free agent steps toward competing.
Anyone who is confused why the Orioles weren’t more aggressive either doesn’t follow them closely or doesn’t have their priorities in order. This year’s FA class was weak, weak, weak, and the Orioles are gunning for 2011. Why would they overspend for a “long-term piece” now? Instead of speaking in generalities, why not name the corner infielder you think they should have emptied their pockets to sign in a non-contending year.
Fans who follow the team closely appreciate that MacPhail doesn’t feel a need to do signings for the sake of headlines. All the pickups this year were temporary patches to keep some respectability while the kids develop. Next year’s offseason, expect the wallet to open.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Mar 2, 2010 2:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Well technically Hernandez DID debut in 2009
This whole fanpost is a little spammy to me anyway.
"It feels like home,’’ Pie said. "All my friends are here."
I apologize for the post then.
We’ve all been SBN members for quite some time and we thought sharing this with other SBN members would be a good thing. We certainly weren’t intending any harm by this at all, and I apologize if it has done so.
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These guys have been on sickels a lot
So i’ll vouch for that, although i do think their stuff about minor league players is more interesting than their major league write up.
http://bullpenbanter.com/index.php/rankings2/1-2010writeups/21-2010-bm6spect
For example, that write up on Matusz was much more worthwhile than the orioles write-up.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Mar 2, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks
I will say we are geared more towards the prospect side of things as we all have a passion for that and prospecting is how we ended up working together. I hope we can draw in the casual fan with our MLB content and then hopefully spark an interest in prospects with our work in that area.
Glad you enjoyed the Matusz writeup. I nearly posted that as my example, but I thought the Stanton article showed more diversity in opinions and what we’re trying to do with the site. What are you thoughts on the chart added to the Matusz piece? JD is working hard to add additional resources like that to our product.
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The chart
Was what made the write-up interesting. At this point its hard to say anything about Matusz that hasnt been said before, so simply saying he’s polished and a safe bet to be a #1/2 type pitcher is repeating what everybody else says. Seeing how he accomplishes his deception adds a new dynamic though.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Mar 2, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
no worries, man
I’m always happy to read some stuff about the O’s, it was just a little “website advertisement” for my taste.
"It feels like home,’’ Pie said. "All my friends are here."
oh, we don't offend that easily.
we just encourage this kind of thing in open threads and in your sig line, but not as a fanpost.
no worries.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Good to know
What’s general consensus on Brandon Erbe here? There was a comment today on minorleagueball.com talking about the team being happy with the way he is throwing and the improvements to his delivery. Are these changes improvements to his command/control of his impressive stuff? I really like this kid and think he gets overlooked a good bit(although with Matusz, Arrieta, and Tillman around the last couple of years, it’s understandable). Erbe makes my personal top 100, ranking #94. I can promise I will have a write up on him down the line once we’ve finished posting our top 100 list(he just missed).
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Erbe killed at AA last year
His no-hitter (more or less) opened people eyes to the maturation of a young guy with a history of injury and a funky delivery. Back in the day it was Erbe and Adenhart tearing up the prep leagues in this metro area. One thing that stuck in my head was this interview with AA manager brad komminsk in december. He puts him a ’tick or two above Arrieta"
Thanks for the link
Interesting read. Maybe I’m too low on Erbe, or I’m too high on Arrieta maybe-he’s in my top 50. Plenty of good young pitching in the system though, can’t argue that.
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Brandon Erbe
will make Jim Palmer cry with joy.
Just sayin’.
We need a Brandon Erbe Facts page.
OK, we don’t, but I think he’s gonna do just fine.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Anyone who is confused why the Orioles weren’t more aggressive either doesn’t follow them closely or doesn’t have their priorities in order. This year’s FA class was weak, weak, weak, and the Orioles are gunning for 2011. Why would they overspend for a "long-term piece" now? Instead of speaking in generalities, why not name the corner infielder you think they should have emptied their pockets to sign in a non-contending year.
I’d like to rebut, if I may(I wrote the comment). First off, let me say thanks for your interest in our site. We don’t mind at all if you disagree with our comments.
I said I agreed with the popular sentiment to some degree. I’m certainly open to arguments they shouldn’t be spending yet.
I do have to disagree that this year’s FA class was especially weak. It wasn’t that bad, in my opinion. Nor do I think its typically regarded as having been that bad. Next year’s could be excellent – I’ll give you that. This year had good depth at a lot of spots, especially corner IF (even though you might dispute this the O’s did sign two corner IFs – more below).
I wouldn’t necessarily overspend on a long term piece now. I do feel there were a few spots they could have picked that would have made sense (and that aren’t blocked by young players). I look at what the Mariners did. I think they started this offseason as a worse team than Baltimore. They still arent all that much better, talent wise IMO. The O’s could have made a run at lackey or Figgins, for instance. Their ages are a concern, sure (both on the wrong side of 30), but they’re premium players who would have really fit nicely. Figgins could have played 3B in ‘10 and then moved to the OF going forward, for example. I would have liked to have seen them spend on a guy like Harden or Sheets, perhaps instead of trading for Millwood, too. Chapman would have been a good fit. There were no ideal fits, no, but all I’m saying is there were a few spots they could have been more aggressive with. They seemed to have closed up shop on those early.
Point was if they had made moves like Seattle did this could perhaps have been a contending year. I think the O’s are pretty damn good. Great defense. Good offense. Pitching is coming along. Let’s say the added Lackey – that’s a damn good team. Lackey-Millwood-Guthrie-Tillman-Matusz? You can dream on a rotation like that. Considering the price the Phils got for Cliff Lee that would have made plenty of sense (for every team in baseball at that price, actually). A package headlined by Britton or Arrieta could beat one headed by Aumont IMO. The O’s system is far better than the Mariners… Even if you can’t re-sign Lee you could offer him arb and if he declines you get two firsts.
As for the corner IFs, I’m just not an Atkins fan. He’s likely going to be one of the worst starting 1B in baseball. He just doesnt hit enough. I would have rather seen LaRoche, sure. Branyan, definitely. They could have even grabbed Jermain Dye or Carlos Delgado (pushing other players to 1B like Scott). Troy Glaus. Nick Johnson. Ryan Garko. Hank Blalock. Maybe Nomar even. Sheffield? Not to mention the decent in house options of Luke Scott, Reimold and even Wigginton. Players like Casey Kotchman were available cheaply. 1B who can outhit Garrett Atkins are always available cheaply (ie. Kila Ka’aihue – AAA is full of guys like this). I just don’t see what the appeal of Atkins was. Maybe you like him better than those other options… many of those signed for less than $4.5mm guaranteed. Branyan got $2mm for instance and a $5mm option compared to Atkins’$8.5mm option with a $0.5mm buy out. In a market like this I would have wait until January or February.
Again, though… my overall tone was quite positive… its not like I’m trashing the O’s offseason here.
YMMV. I’m very interested to hear your thoughts.
Thanks again.
Al Skorupa
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Atkins sucks
I dont think many people on here believe otherwise and if they do give it until May and for sure they will have changed their tune.
A rotation of Lackey-Millwood-Guthrie-Tillman-Matusz is definately more exciting and even if you trade for Lee and make it Lee-Lackey-Millwood-Guthrie-Matusz it would be huge. But does that put us over top the yankees, red sox and rays? Maybe, but maybe not. Is it worth mortaging the future for the chance this year? I dont think so. We’ve waited this long, we may as well do this right and let this team mature into a powerhouse (hopefully).
Figgins is a good piece, dont get me wrong but hes not the right player for this team. We already have speed and OBP guys but we dont have a legit #4 hitter. When we do buy a corner infielder hopefully we get that slugger that we need. Coupled with his age as you mentioned and it just doesnt make sense.
I would have liked to see Chapmen but i’m not crushed they didnt sign him, Millwood is a stopgap in order to protect they young arms so I dont really care too much there either. But I am of the sentiment that we shouldnt be spending yet (if you couldnt tell). Who knows if our young pieces perform this year, and if they dont then you just added an aging piece and tied up your finances. I think Weiters/Matusz/Tillman/Jones/Reimold may go through some more growing pains this year. But we should have a good idea of what we have to work with next offseason and be ready to pounce if the right piece is available. Or we could wait for Adrian Gonzalez to become a free agent and then we would really be in business, not just playoffs but as a legit championship contender at that point. And thats the dream that makes me content to wait.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Mar 4, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
bullpen banter is blocked at my work. I hope they aren’t going to start cracking down on sports sites or I am in big trouble.
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