Monday Bird Droppings
by Camden Chat on Mar 8, 2010 7:00 AM EST
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Guthrie's confidence grows with outing | MLB.com: News
At times, it wasn't pretty, but Orioles starter Jeremy Guthrie came away from Sunday's outing, his second of Spring Training, pleased with his overall performance. -Stacey
Roberts update
Bri Bob gives an update on his back. It's going slower than expected. Sigh. -Stacey
HIghlights from Sunday's game
Nick's home run and Guthrie's outing. -Stacey
Baseball's unbalanced schedules don't lead to fair play - baltimoresun.com
Schmuck reminds us all how stupid it is to play an unbalanced schedule and why it probably won't change. -Stacey
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O's prospect Patton ready to push himself | MLB.com: News
Brittany Ghiroli tells us Troy Patton spent a lot of time in the off-season preparing himself for an injury-free season, but manages to avoid telling us he's in the best shape of his life. Someone didn't get the memo about Spring Training stories. You have to say that. It's a rule and everything. -duck
Boston Red Sox prospect Casey Kelly has a great homecoming - ESPN Boston
Red Sox prospect Casey Kelly is from Sarasota and ESPN spends a lot of time and space trying to make us feel good about 3 innings against AA talent in a Spring Training game. Color me unimpressed. -duck
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I've been doing some reading
and some other work, and it seems like Atkins’ problem isn’t going to be making contact, but rather that he just can’t drive the ball anymore. Which means that there’ll be doubles past the third baseman, but probably not a lot of home runs, and probably a lot more lazy fly balls.
So, setting aside that it’s the completely irrelevant Spring Training, Atkins still hasn’t shown that he can drive the ball like, say, Nick Markakis can. Or even Felix Pie can.
Bedard says he doesn't care and thinks goals are pointless.
Atkins without power but a decent OBP I can deal with
Not like he will be batting cleanup. But a #7 hitter with a decent OBP? I can deal with that.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Decent for a #7 hitter
not decent for a first baseman in the AL East
Bedard says he doesn't care and thinks goals are pointless.
Who cares about that?
We don’t play the games in isolated head to head position battles. If we have a better OF than anybody else we can afford to have a weaker 1B than other teams.
I suppose
but if Atkins puts up like a .340 OBP (which would top both 2009 and 2008 for him!), he would like 25th in all of baseball in terms of first basemen OBP! I’m not sure that the outfield is that much better than every other team that the Orioles can afford it if they’re really serious about wins and losses this year.
On the other hand, a .340 OBP would beat the shit out of what we got from the position last year. Which is just really, really sad. That said, I don’t think Atkins can put up an OBP as high as .340.
Bedard says he doesn't care and thinks goals are pointless.
But again
who cares where he ranks in terms of first basemen? How would that rank in terms of 7th hitters is what I care about.
Really the question is
how does the entire offense rank compared to everyone else’s offense, and then what fraction of that is Atkins and then could the Orioles do better by replacing him. And while I think the answer to the first question is “Quite well indeed”, I’m guessing that the answer to the second question “Not that much” and then finally “Um. Most probably.”
Bedard says he doesn't care and thinks goals are pointless.
Eh
I’m just not too worried about our 7 hitter in terms of our success this year. We’re not paying him very much and it’s a short contract, so whatever. The guys who will be standing about 64 feet from him on the bump will matter a lot more.
Not to beat a dead horse
really, but I’m bored and here’s the splits from the number 7 hitters in the AL East in 2009:
The Yankees obviously had the best production at .294/.361/.501
Then Boston at .266/.342/.464
Then Toronto at .253/.345/.444
Then Tampa Bay at .265/.331/.409
So if you just want to compare Garret Atkins to that crowd, I still don’t think you’ve got a winning hand.
Bedard says he doesn't care and thinks goals are pointless.
No
But i’m not compairing him to them because he isn’t our long term solution. He is here until we figure out our long term solution thankfully and thats it.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Mar 8, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
so basically he's melvin mora
he’ll bat fif of course
by twistedlogic on Mar 8, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure I understand what you're "reading" ?
Give Atkins (and Crowley) a chance to rebuild his swing. It is spring training. The guy has gotten a few hits. Chill!!!! If he isn’t hitting by May, then you can dump on him. Until then, give the man a chance. It’s not like we have Boog Powell as an alternative.
Have to agree with Schmuck here.. (yeah, I said it.)
The baseball scheduling system sucks. And I don’t know about you all, but I’m over interleague play. I like the novelty of an AL team playing an NL team for the first time during the world series.
Sorry to link spam you a bit
But the show thread I posted it in seems to be really dead aside from the couple of replies to it (thanks!) so I’m going to repost my Orioles-referencing comic in here too if you don’t mind.
http://www.fanaticscomic.com/blog/2010/3/5/fair-play.html
Alright, last time i promise. Good luck in the upcoming season =)
Fanatics - my webcomic
Wow, Steve Melewski is annoyed today.
http://masnsports.com/2010/03/some-facts-and-overreactions-b.html
Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.
He does make some solid points....
*Millwood said he’s working on pitches. I’m not worried.
*Hernandez’s HR was wind-blown, by a lot. No way that goes out in an MLB park. And 6K’s? I’ll take it.
*Josh Bell has yet to play an inning at AAA, iirc. Even Wieters played in AAA.
*People whining about ST lineups? Really?
*Sky is falling with Reimold and Roberts? Ask me again April 1st.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Oh, he's 100% correct.
I’m just amused by how irritated he sounds. I really don’t know how the various O’s bloggers stand reading the comments to their blogs, let alone approving and replying to them.
Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.
must take a lot of patience
to reply to every single idiot complaining about losing ST games…
almost feel bad for the guy, some people should just be left in their cloud
"you know what the orioles could use right now? a day off." - joe angel
I posted the current voting results for the shirts
http://www.camdenchat.com/2010/3/7/1359988/vote-its-your-camden-chat-civic?login=1268052483#32160936
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
Starting lineups and expected relievers, from Roch & Britt:
Felix Pie LF
Adam Jones CF
Miguel Tejada 3B
Luke Scott 1B
Matt Wieters DH
Lou Montanez RF
Cesar Izturis SS
Craig Tatum C
Robert Andino 2B
Brian Matusz LHP
Relievers: Jim Johnson, Mike Gonzalez, Koji Uehara, Wilfrido Perez
It’s not often that I’m actually okay with Cesar batting seventh.
Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.
all that playoff talk from 2007
reminds me of all the hope we talk about now, and that troubles me.
cxcxcxcxzzzzzzzzz
the hope might be a little bit premature this time around
but I think it’s got a much more solid foundation in reality than in 2007. We’ve really loaded up on quality prospects since then and cut a lot of dead weight. Just look at the difference in the rotation going into ST.
Yeah
but that’s exactly what we would have said in 2007!
Bedard says he doesn't care and thinks goals are pointless.
The difference for me is that people outside the organization/fanbase are saying it too
I dont remember any of that in ’07
In 2010 we haven't just given multi-year contracts to Walker and Baez
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on Mar 8, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think so.
How many of our players were being touted as the best young players in the game (as Wieters and Matusz are)? I don’t think it was even remotely close. We barely even had any prospects going into the 2007 season.
Yeah I know
I’m just fucking with you. I think if you look at where the Orioles farm system stood before the 2007 Rule IV Draft and compare that to where the entire organization stands today, it’s not even night and day. It’s like Alpha and Omega, it’s like comparing Charlie Chaplin films to Avatar. Even though MacPhail wasn’t around for that first draft (and I heard rumors that he didn’t like that the Orioles had drafted Wieters), his restructuring and focusing on the young talent through trade and draft has really, genuinely made this team worth watching.
But com’on. We’re Oriole fans. We’re supposed to be fatalistic.
Bedard says he doesn't care and thinks goals are pointless.
Oh there's definitely
still a part of me that thinks this is all never going to materialize, but you’re right it’s beyond night and day compared to 2007.
Seriously
in 2007 we had two guys in the top 100 lists. You probably recognize them. Brandon Erbe and (get ready to cringe) Billy Rowell. In a word: fuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
Oh yeah, and the major league team had Markakis, and that was It in terms of talented players under 28 years old.
Now we have three top 100 prospects and a team with Matusz, Tillman, Wieters, Reimold, Markakis, Jones, Pie, Bergesen, Mickolio, and Johnson. Although the farm system ranks somewhere around 26th now, but I’m going to enjoy I think reaping the fruits of that 3 years in the making labor.
Bedard says he doesn't care and thinks goals are pointless.
Is the farm system ranked that low?
I thought somebody just posted something that had it about 16th the other day. I might be confused though.
almost
Klaw had us 6th. Matusz will graduate but we will add another top prospect with the 3rd pick in the draft in theory. The key will be all our low minors guys developing (aka hoes, avery, givens etc.)
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Mar 8, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'd really like some fully operational running water today
This is my area.
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on Mar 8, 2010 11:26 AM EST reply actions
Just did 5 days without running water
It sucks.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Tim Kurkjian has some nice things to say about us
Yeah, yeah, I’m linking to ESPN. There’s also some video here of him talking to Adam Jones.
Migrating toward respectability
I feel like this paragraph is the greatest example of why times have changed:
With a rotation of Millwood, Guthrie, Matusz, Tillman and Brad Bergesen, who went 7-5 with a 3.43 ERA last year as a rookie, the Orioles have the makings of a good rotation. Compare that to the past decade of losing in Baltimore. A veteran writer in Baltimore was asked to pick the Orioles’ five best starters for the past decade. He chose Bedard, Guthrie, Rodrigo Lopez, Daniel Cabrera and Sidney Ponson. Together they went 248-270 in that span.
Ouch.
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on Mar 8, 2010 12:09 PM EST reply actions
He picked Cabrera?
Really? That’s the best he could come up with?
"I wouldn't mind seeing someone erase my record of hitting into four triple plays" - Brooks
There weren't many to choose from
Cabrera by far made the most starts and in the past showed just enough talent to fool us into thinking he was something.
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
I know, and I'm not saying I can think of someone better,
it’s just depressing to realize I can’t.
"I wouldn't mind seeing someone erase my record of hitting into four triple plays" - Brooks
The first part of that article
Sounded just like articles from the past. When he got to the young guys then it was a different story than past years. Millwood + gonzalez + atkins do not = contending.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Mar 8, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Oh hey
30 in 30 is about the Orioles tonight. That’s fun. I hope Harold Reynolds says some idiotic things!
Bedard says he doesn't care and thinks goals are pointless.
Stats are ridiculous, man!
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
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