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Is Xavier Avery on the Verge of a Breakout? Signs Point to Yes.

Xavier Avery, the Orioles second round selection in 2008, was considered at the time by most to be a more prominent football prospect than baseball prospect.  One of the top sixty running backs in his class, Avery had been recruited by the University of Georgia as their replacement for current NFL star Knowshown Moreno.  Avery was considered an attractive baseball prospect as well, but the competition he faced at Cedar Grove High School in Ellenwood, GA was considered to be second-rate, he hadn't focused primarily on baseball or spent tons of time on the showcase circuit, and scouts didn't know what to make of Avery outside of his speed.  And at 5' 11", Avery didnt' project to develop much power.  But the O's gave Avery a bonus of $900,000 and he left football behind.

Star-divide

Avery signed quickly with the Orioles and was able to accumulate 192 plate appearances for the Gulf Coast League Orioles, where he was quite impressive.  Avery batted .280/.333/.337 in the GCL, with 13 steals in 16 attempts.  This performance, despite his lack of pre-draft seasoning, led the Orioles to make Avery one of the youngest players in full-season ball in 2009, along with Delmarva teammates L.J. Hoes and Dashenko Ricardo.  Avery didn't exactly tear up the South Atlantic League, however, batting .262./.306/.340.  He was successful on 75% of his stolen base attempts, garnering 30 steals for the season, but looked rocky in the field, amassing 12 errors in 247 chances.  While none of this set the world on fire, it was pretty respectable for a raw 19 year old in A ball.

That performance, along with team evaluations in minor league camp, led the Orioles to make Avery the fourth youngest position player in A+ ball in 2010, behind Salvador Perez, Pete Hissey, and his teammate Hoes.  And so far, Avery is justifying that decision in a big way.

In five games, Avery is batting .389/.522/.444.  He has three multi-hit games, and has been on base at least twice in every game this season.  A career .309 hitter against lefties, the left-handed Avery is batting .400 against them while hitting .375 against righties.  And while the sample size is minuscule, Avery currently has more walks (4) than strikeouts (3) - which already looks like a big improvement over 2009 when he had a BB/K ratio of 27/111.

The minor league season is very young.  But the signs from Avery are very encouraging.  As a toolsy and raw outfield prospect who is among the youngest players in A+, a left handed batter with a reverse platoon split and improving plate discipline, Avery is in a position to fly up the prospect rankings if he can build on the success of his first week of 2010.

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Thank you for posting something positive.

by BrianS on Apr 14, 2010 5:02 PM EDT reply actions  

yea

its tough for me to move them from garrett atkins, but i think i’ll eventually learn to deal with it.

by twistedlogic on Apr 14, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's the deal with this good news nonsense

I thought we established that we all come here to be depressed

by wishEYEhadCRABS on Apr 14, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

If we don't build some hype...

…how will you ever get to be disappointed when he struggles in the big leagues?

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Apr 14, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the name Pete Hissey

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by Stacey on Apr 14, 2010 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

You'll probably be hearing it a lot in the future

He’s good, and he’s a Boston prospect. Not having a great year so far though.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Apr 14, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe not a lot

He’s not THAT good. But he’s a nice prospect.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Apr 14, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

well if he's in Boston's system I'm sure everyone will talk about him anyway

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by Stacey on Apr 14, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Heat Pissey"

I’m original.

cxcxcxcxzzzzzzzzz

by Steve. on Apr 14, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

perhaps / hopefully he develops into a leadoff hitter for the O’s in a few years, when BRob is ready to be replaced

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by bigity b on Apr 14, 2010 5:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Other prospects looking strong in the early going:

RF Ronnie Welty, C Caleb Joseph, LHP Zach Britton, SS Garabez Rosa and 2b LJ Hoes.

On the bad side, SS Pedro Florimon is 1 for 15 and doesn’t have a walk.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Apr 14, 2010 5:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't know much about Rosa

Where is he playing?

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by Stacey on Apr 14, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Delmarva

He’s a twenty year old out of the Dominican.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Apr 14, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like to see something positive here...

…but I think it’s a little early to get excited about the 4th youngest player in A+ ball. Sorry, just trying to be realistic.

by artmonk4ever on Apr 14, 2010 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Better than getting excited over the 4th oldest player in A+ ball

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by Stacey on Apr 14, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 14, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember when they drafted him he was considered raw

So not only is he young and toolsy but very raw because he spent a lot of time focusing on football as well as baseball.

Also with regard to his power, I thought that he potentially had Carl Crawford type power. Hes a little bit bigger than Juan Pierre (RB’s aren’t exactly small dudes). He could quite possibly have the highest ceiling of any of our position players. I would say thats a toss up between him and Givens, so if he shows signs of improvement at Frederick he could become a big time prospect quickly.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 14, 2010 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

He's got some potential pop....

…but it is Kenny Lofton or Brian Roberts in a good year type pop. I think. But he’s not a pure slap hitter like Hudson or Angle.

Right now you have to give him the edge over Givens in several ways, I think, both because Givens hasn’t played a pro game yet but also because at Givens’ current age, Avery was in a full season league.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Apr 14, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some pop makes a huge difference

As far as the Avery vs Givens, i was more referencing their ceiling and not who is a better prospect.

My biggest concern about Avery is his consistency, last year he went through streaks where he was outstanding and other times he was anemic. If things turn out right with him he may make Jones expendable.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 14, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ultimately I see Avery most likely as trade bait

He’s more of a replacement for Pie than Jones in any case. But ultimately, the Orioles need to build a stock of prospects not only to build from within but also for trades.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Apr 14, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Avery

I’m also impressed so far, it took him a month to take 4 walks last season, he’s already done that in 5 games.

by Jordan Tuwiner on Apr 14, 2010 7:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Another walk tonight

Avery went 1-4 with a single, a walk, and two strikeouts. Stole a base too. Keys are 4-2 and have won four straight.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Apr 14, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

He looked HORRIBE at the plate last year

I’m glad he’s finding early success, but the admittedly small sample size of a half dozen games I saw him last year, he looked completely overmatched at the plate.

"How's that s---house of an Eastern Shore?" - William Donald Schaefer

by duck on Apr 14, 2010 7:42 PM EDT reply actions  

so when are our predictions for the callup?

’13 or ’14?

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by danielreese05 on Apr 14, 2010 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

At the rate things are going, May. And he’ll be our best player.

by BrianS on Apr 14, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

What, BOS putting cars in LF now?

"How's that s---house of an Eastern Shore?" - William Donald Schaefer

by duck on Apr 14, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

This Lou you speak of…can he hit?

by BrianS on Apr 14, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

So much

that sometimes i have a hard time dealing with it.

by kba26 on Apr 14, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

please tell me you aren't talking about montanez...

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by danielreese05 on Apr 14, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh it is

deal with it. yeah…you knew that was coming. :-)

by twistedlogic on Apr 14, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

i feel like my only option

is to deal with it…

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by danielreese05 on Apr 14, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

the man can hit!

its a true and well-documented phenomenon.

by twistedlogic on Apr 15, 2010 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd go with Ronnie Welty first. :)

"How's that s---house of an Eastern Shore?" - William Donald Schaefer

by duck on Apr 14, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Welty...

…but he’s not much of a prospect. I suspect it is a long shot he’ll ever make the majors.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Apr 14, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know they're different ages

but Welty hit the hell out of the ball in the Sally last year, and Avery looked lost at the plate most nights.

"How's that s---house of an Eastern Shore?" - William Donald Schaefer

by duck on Apr 15, 2010 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, but 20th round picks out of college...

…usually are picked that late for a reason.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Apr 15, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m considerably more bearish on Avery than most, but would obviously love to be wrong. As mentioned above, the 4 walks in 2009 tell me his approach and pitch ID was pretty horrid. What I don’t understand is why he keeps getting promoted. I mean, what would the team do if he posts league average numbers in Frederick? Promote him to the big team? I just don’t really understand the organizational handling of him, but they know more about baseball than me!

Thanks again James for spurring this debate. I definitely appreciate it!

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Apr 15, 2010 12:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, it was 27 walks in 2009 (still not good)...

…but obviously he had problems with both his approach and his pitch ID. But the big thing to remember is that the numbers only tell part of the story with prospects.

First of all, I’m not a scout, even an amateur one, and I don’t know what the team knows either. What they know about him from instruction and minor league camp simply isn’t available to us. But I can say a few things.

First of all, tools matter. A lot. Think of it like this: say your average minor league prospect has a 5% chance of making the big leagues someday (those aren’t real odds, just something I’m using for the sake of argument). But tools make a huge difference in the payoff if one of your prospects hits and makes the show. Things like bat speed make a lot of difference; some of the guys who mash in the low minors won’t be able to keep up with the better pitching in the high minors. And one of the things that Avery’s strong performance against lefties shows us is that he has good bat speed.

Second, age relative to league matters a lot for hitters. Remember, we’re talking about very young men, in their late teens or early twenties. All are still maturing physically, and this provides a multiplier to their performance. If Avery posts league average numbers in Frederick, you have to increase the value of that because he did it at such a young age. The peak age for baseball players has been established as 26-28; the more advanced in level a prospect is at 20, the more room they have to improve towards their peak.

Finally, it is important to remember that the minor leagues aren’t primarily about winning and losing, but about developing players. A minor league pitcher might need to work on repeating his delivery, or on throwing a new pitch, to the degree that they might be focusing on that above getting guys out. A hitter may spend a week working on going the other way, or on hitting breaking pitches. These are important skills that often can only really be worked on in game situations, and their success and failure at them won’t be reflected in the box score. But the Orioles do, and to an extent, who they promote and who they don’t can be seen as a commentary by the club on the subject.

In any case, that you for being a part of the debate!

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Apr 15, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh

I said “First of all” twice. I’m sorry, it is late.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Apr 15, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not really disagreeing with your post

Because I agree with most of it.

However…I think it’s worth noting that we can all be guilty of kind of seeing what we want to, for good and for bad. I definitely see a hacktastic kid whose star is going to fizzle as he goes up the line as opposing pitchers get better.

Age relative to league is a big deal, but it is also a question of degree. I mean, if it can be undervalued, than I think it can be overvalued too (and I’m not implying you are, it’s more of a thing that I try to . And really this speaks to the issue of why the Orioles are pushing him as quickly as possible. I mean, if he tells me he hasn’t mastered A ball, why put him in A+ ball? So my issue with promoting him isn’t about wins and losses in Delmarva, it’s about whether or not his promotion is deserved or not.

In the end, his prospect status is more on projection than performance. And that’s fine. To an extent.

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by dfa on Apr 15, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does batting well against lefties really show that somebody has good bat speed?

I’d never heard that before.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Apr 15, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

For a left handed hitter, it is an indicator

In a lefty on lefty matchup, the batter has less time to see and identify the pitch. So if a lefty hitter consistently hits lefty pitching, it is a sign that he is able to recognize the pitch and location and get the bat around quickly.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Apr 15, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also do they really have less time??

It’s the same distance – it’s just coming from a different release point.

I’m a left handed hitter and I’ve always been horrible against lefties, but I always thought it was mostly mental.

But regardless, bat speed is bat speed – shouldn’t matter which hand the pitcher is throwing with.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Apr 15, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure its a big factor, but I think theres still a relation.

If you can pick up the ball sooner you can start your swing earlier and swing through more confidently, giving you more time to generate force.

by kba26 on Apr 15, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bat speed is bat speed...

….but the amount of time that you have to swing against a same-handed pitcher is shorter because you can see the ball for a shorter period.

For example, Jeff Clement was a left-handed hitting prospect with good power but poor bat speed. Dave Cameron over at USS Mariner did an analysis during Clement’s years as a Mariner prospect showing how his home runs were coming primarily off of soft-tossing pitchers, and that his success against harder throwers were all righties despite his 14 home runs at the time being evenly divided among right-handers and lefties.

So while your bat speed should always be a constant, it is harder to perform against same-handed pitchers if your bat speed isn’t good.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Apr 15, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again - you're talking about pitch recognition

not actual time to swing. If somebody does well against lefties it seems to only show that they do well against lefties – whether it’s because they pick up the ball well or because they have good bat speed that makes up for not picking up the ball as well who knows? It seems like a pretty big assumption to say that lefties that do well against lefties have better bat speed than those that don’t.

That’s interesting about Jeff Clement, but that’s only one player – not sure it makes sense to apply that to all lefties who either struggle or excel against lefties.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Apr 15, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know that you can put them into discreet boxes like that

But on the other hand, I was out of baseball as a player by junior high.

Can we agree that it is a sign of being good at things worth being good at, be it pitch recognition or bat speed or some combination of the two?

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Apr 15, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes definitely!

I remember in the mid-to-late 90s ESPN was using that bat track thing to measure bat speed. Any idea why they stopped using that? Was it just total horseshit?

The whole idea of bat speed is a funny thing, because some guys can have an incredibly fast bat, but a long swing, so they might actually be slower to the ball than a guy with a slower bat but a shorter swing.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Apr 15, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

No clue...

…mid to late 90’s I was in Israel, and then in college, and didn’t have ESPN. But if it was really a useful tool, someone like Fangraphs or the Hardball Times would be using it, I suspect.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Apr 15, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I think it was mostly crap.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Apr 15, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

And

I disagree that you see the ball for a shorter period. The pitcher is throwing from the exact same distance – it’s just a matter of whether each individual batter picks it up as well as he does against right handed pitchers.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Apr 15, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

This I don't agree with

Distance isn’t the only thing that matters here – angle counts for a lot.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Apr 15, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

That only impacts how you see the ball

the time it takes the ball to get there is not impacted – that’s the time the batter has.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Apr 15, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

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