Wednesday Bird Droppings
by duck on Apr 14, 2010 7:33 AM EDT
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PrintI don't even have a sarcastic description of last night's loss. Game recaps here (Connolly), here (Ricig cartoon), here (Ghiroli), here (USA Today).
LATE ADDITION: Brian Matusz’ Year to Date | FanGraphs Baseball
"Obviously, it’s only two starts. But it’s two good starts from a supposedly good prospect against a supposedly good division foe. He’s going to take some knocks eventually. Until then, though, Baltimore fans may continue to gaze upon Matusz with a sense of anticipation and excitement. " -duck
Record-low turnout shows just how far Orioles have fallen - baltimoresun.com
Not even the Orioles PR staff is surprised at the low attendance numbers. -duck
Gonzalez to remain out of closer role for now | orioles.com: News
He's back with the team, but he's not the closer. Not yet. -duck
Vensel: No joke -- these O's have potential - b free daily
"I know what you’re thinking: It’s never too early to quit on the Orioles. After all, they haven’t had a winning season since Clinton was president, "MMMBop" was considered music and you didn’t get laughed at for wearing Airwalks." Yet another "It's still early!" column designed to make us feel better. -duck
Price looking to build on success vs. O's | MLB.com: News
Tampa Bay left-hander David Price is savoring a recent streak of success this season. Orioles right-hander Brad Bergesen is still hoping to get his first taste. -duck
Practicing their O's | delmarvanow.com
My alma mater, Parkside High School, will have its choir sing the National Anthem today. I'm (sniff) so proud of you guys! -duck
Bugle Charge for Beer - The Toy Department
"A well-orchestrated chant in the terrace box seats the other night turned the traditional bugle call over the PA system into -- you can't make this stuff up -- a plea for more equitable beverage pricing. Instead of just yelling "CHARGE! after the bugle call, a half-dozen of these folks were yelling: CHARGE! LESS FOR BEER!" You gotta love Orioles fans. -duck
O's fans should be waving rally towels, not white flags
Roar From 34 tries to talk O's fan down off the ledge. -Stacey
Wieters hits cleanup for first time in majors - baltimoresun.com
A whole buncha lineup changes and nothing to show for it but an adorable Pie quote. -Stacey
Ex-Orioles' prospect hopes to revive career with Revs - York Dispatch
Val Majewski went from highly rated prospect to insurance salesman to a leader on the York Revolution. -Stacey
Orioles Insider: Minor league game recaps -- April 13
Tides lost, Baysox won, Keys won, Shorebirds lost. Go read the details. There will be a quiz later. -duck
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painful
i’m feeling a little 1988-y
just a tiny smidgen 2005-y
not 1996-y at all
but until the starters collapse i’ll keep watching
You know
just out of mental and emotional self preservation, I want to give Gonzalez the benefit of the doubt and assume that he was distracted by the impending birth of his daughter. Maybe his wife was having a rough pregnancy or something. Maybe he can settle down now and focus.
I’m not making excuses for his performance so far, just grasping at $12M straws.
Now Joe can't come within 500 feet of Mary. He also can't call her, or burn his name in gas on her lawn. I'm gonna let you in on a little secret, Joe is me. And Mary is a composite of 12 different women and a small independent film company all of whom couldn't deal with me because I'm too real. -Gary Busey
It's mechanical
Flanagan said at Bloggers Day he’s releasing the ball AS he falls off the mound, rather than releasing THEN falling off the mound. Get that fixed, and he’ll perform better.
"How's that s---house of an Eastern Shore?" - William Donald Schaefer
The art/science of flailing.
I agree it’s mechanics. But you have to have focus to fix mechanics, right?
Now Joe can't come within 500 feet of Mary. He also can't call her, or burn his name in gas on her lawn. I'm gonna let you in on a little secret, Joe is me. And Mary is a composite of 12 different women and a small independent film company all of whom couldn't deal with me because I'm too real. -Gary Busey
by killertomato on Apr 14, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
There might actually be something to that.
Still straw-grasping, of course, but labor was induced and the baby only weighed about 6 lb, from what I read.
Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.
i love my os
but this is terrible…the pirates have more wins…the nationals have more wins :( this is depressing…
heres hoping bergesen turns it around…..
by Parkinglotninja on Apr 14, 2010 9:24 AM EDT reply actions
Na it will be depressing if the Nationals makethe playoffs
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 14, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
For a moment
I figured you had MAC OSX or possibly Windows 7 (but certainly not Vista) and then I continued to read.
"I do think the O’s have sucked balls this season. If that displeases you Luke, then oh well."-birdman
I don't know, guys
Maybe I’ve gone round the bend, but I’m feeling strangely calm and possibly optimistic about today. I have no idea why.
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
You have reached acceptance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 14, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Me?
I’m almost clinically depressed over this team right now.
We’re gonna win 4 games in April. If we’re lucky.
"How's that s---house of an Eastern Shore?" - William Donald Schaefer
Nah
We’ll sweep Oakland.
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
I've thought that before about Oakland.
Just hope for a 2 out of 3, and watch when they sweep us.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Apr 14, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
wow...you're a poet
and you didn’t even know it
by twistedlogic on Apr 14, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm at acceptance as well
At least we aren’t the astro’s, a team thats terrible without much young talent.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 14, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Honestly
I reached acceptance last year.
I was hoping for better things this year, but assumed 4th place still meant a lot of losses. I’m dismayed, but this is a continuation of last year. And the year before that, and the year before that, etc. At least until it isn’t… someday. Maybe.
yeah, probably
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
I want to blow this off as “just” a slump. We probably knew (Ok, i admit I was telling people they’d make it to .500 — break out the commemorative shirts! — this year) that the Orioles had at least one more bad season in them as they turned things around, but I don’t think they’re this bad.
It’s just made worse because it’s right at the beginning of the year, and I think O’s fans were excited and optimistic about the team and then that gets killed right out of the gate.
If we’re talking Kubler-Ross, then it’s “depression” for me, too.
Sigh
This is the worst possible start for a team so young. The only veterans on the team that have experienced some sort of winning before are what, Millwood, Tejada and Atkins? Not exactly vocal leader types there. I’d feel better if there was someone on the team that could change the attitude because this is clearly in all of their heads. In a game like last night, as soon as one thing goes wrong, as a fan starting to worry is one thing, but you can see it in their faces that they don’t think they can hold on either, and that’s a problem.
Someone talk me out of this pessimistic view? please?
Lineup
How did we feel about the lineup – after letting it all sink in? I for one liked it. I say stick with it for a bit. It seemed that Markakis was getting better pitches. When Jones comes around (which he will) it will be a very nice 3-4-5. Pie is really taking advantage of his leadoff role (minus trying to hard) as well.
Not for today, but in general yeah.
Gotta figure Tatum catches today, and Scott will probably be back in the lineup.
"Ohhh it's baad" - E. Smith
3 good outings in a row by starting pitching.
All went 7 innings, all deserved the win. I guess 4 R got charged to Matusz last night, taking away the QS, And hey, the run expectancy of bases loaded, one out is only 1.54, so Johnson can get a lot of blame for the loss.
Weren’t like 2-3 of those hits that inning pretty lucky hits, slow up the middle, bloopy in left field hits? I got that impression while listening to Joe Angel on my break.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
They certainly weren't impressive hits.
Trembley should’ve taken Matusz out after the first two singles, as he was clearly fatigued. Poor kid.
You're not supposed to let a starter face the go-ahead run.
That said, it’s nice that so many of our pitchers seem to want the ball, and they ARE pitching pretty well. I actually can’t wait to see how Hernandez does in his next start, even.
Dave Johnson’s post game show, it was like, were they talking of a win? Because I didn’t know the final score, they were just going on and on about a lot of positives.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Apr 14, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah to lead off the 8th
A grounder up the middle just under Wiggy’s glove, not hit all that hard. Then a pop up the just fell between Izzy, Miggi, and Pie. Both could have been outs, and I didn’t think Dave should have pulled him. The next two were hit pretty well, though.
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
The thing is...
It was his longest outing. Yes, he threw about the same number of pitches but, you have to take into the consideration of warm-ups before the inning begins. The pitch count + the number of warm-ups extended probably played an important factor. Dave was an idiot for not having JJ ready by the time the 8th started
by LoveForTheGame13 on Apr 14, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you watch the game?
“Dave was an idiot for not having JJ ready by the time the 8th STARTED”
Seriously… did you even see what the 5th, 6th and 7th looked like. No one in there right mind would have thought he would have gotten beat around in the 8th. He looked completely in control and dominate striking out 8 batters and not allowing 1 hit out of the infield. And as I recall his pitch count was still in the 70s!!
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 14, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course
I’m not saying he should have pulled him at the start of the 8th but, with a 3 run lead, you may want to have your setup man ready, just in case. Listen, anything can happen, no one thought that was going to happen, neither did I but, it would have been a lot better to have him ready just in case something did happen. I guess I like to play it safe.
by LoveForTheGame13 on Apr 14, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You're always rolling until you're not
It reminds me of those signs you see all of ski resorts that say something like “80% of injuries happen on your last run of the day.” Well of course it happens on the last fucking run, if you injure yourself skiing, you probably aren’t heading back to the lift.
A pitcher’s almost always going to look good until he’s in trouble, then its probably too late. Its the managers job to figure out when its going to happen and try to pull him right before he gets into trouble. By the 8th inning, it appeared that Matusz was losing a couple miles per hour off his fastball and looked to be tiring. He had pitched a gem in only his second start of the season, at the very least make sure the bullpen is ready if not pull him early for the sake of caution.
He had RETIRED 11 straight batters going into the 8th
And striking out a good many of them including LONGO. He didnt appear to be laboring or wearing down a bit heading into the 8th.
I mean, crap, I dont even like Dave… but THAT particular move wasn’t his fault. I’d be happy to get rid of that cheerleader cuz’ I don’t think the players even respond to him a bit anymore. But, like everyone else says, probably won’t make much difference right now.
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 14, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
how do you know JJ wasn't ready at the start of the 8th?
It’s not like they left Matusz in to give JJ time to warm up – they left him in because they thought he was the most likely guy to get out of it.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Because he didn't get up to warm up until the bases were loaded
by LoveForTheGame13 on Apr 14, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Matusz didnt blow the game...
JJ, Ohman, Albers (our precious bullpen) came in again and didn’t do their damn jobs.
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 14, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
We know the bullpen isnt great
so why wait until the bases are loaded to turn to them? Once Matusz looked to be in some trouble, I’d rather see them in when they’d have a slightly greater margin for error.
So would you have pulled him after the trickler that guy by Ms. Wiggy?
Or the dink bloop?
I would have stayed with him until the 3rd hit which was a regular SINGLE, and then went into caution mode.
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 14, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I probably would have pulled him after the second hit by Kapler
Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but thats where i started to get sufficiently concerned. One hits luck, another one immediately after makes me think they’re starting to see his pitches better.
Well, it was a lucky hit
but, I know where you’re coming from.
by LoveForTheGame13 on Apr 14, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Still a lucky hit.
But still a pattern :)
by LoveForTheGame13 on Apr 14, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
A pattern that makes me think
hey, maybe they’re starting to pick up his pitches a little better, maybe i better get him out of there before he’s really in trouble
if they were starting to pick up his pitches
the hits wouldn’t have been lucky. shitty contact is shitty contact.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
But its an improvement over what they were getting earlier in the game
There was a trend towards more solid contact, and the next two batters continued that trend.
Nah
a blooper or a seeing eye grounder is not an improvement over a routine flyball or a grounder to the SS – it’s just luckier.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Welp.... I guess we can agree to disagree
If it was well hit… maybe, but not that dink.
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 14, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Im calling my Dad to see what he saw....
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 14, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Dad said he woulda left him in unless his pitch count was nearing 100
Case solved.
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 14, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Thought it was low to mid 70s going into the 8th
Dont have time to look it up at the moment (working)… just what I recall.
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 14, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
All this talk
reminds me of the opposite of the Mother’s Day Massacre. Take ’im out too early and we shit the bed. Take ’im out too late and we shit the bed
maybe we’re just a bad team and we’re going to lose some heart wrenching games.
cxcxcxcxzzzzzzzzz
Probably
We were arguing when Dave should have pulled him out.
by LoveForTheGame13 on Apr 14, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe i missed which part of the game you guys are talking about
He was pulled at 99. Started the inning at 86.
What?
That had nothing to do with JJ. I’m saying my dad saw JJ warming up when the bases were loaded. So, I went with what he said.
by LoveForTheGame13 on Apr 14, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Dave pulled him at the 100% perfect point....
Why pull a guy that is having a career night and rolling along sooooooo freakin’ well for 7 innings after two dinky hits. After the 3rd hit, you start warming someone up… then after the 4th, he’s clearly getting fatigued. He still had a chance for a CG SO so why pull him when his pitch count wasn’t ghastly?
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 14, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
It was only his 2nd start
I can almost guarantee he will have another one of those. Besides, it’s about winning the game, not setting career nights. Unless it’s a no no or a perfect game.
by LoveForTheGame13 on Apr 14, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
And you really think the way he was rolling along...
… that after two dinky hits, Albers & Co. gave us a better chance to win. Remember what happened when he pulled Bergy out last year against Boston in a similar situation…
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 14, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Still should have had JJ ready by the 8th
I probably would have pulled him after the 2nd dinky hit, or the 1st solid hit. Regardless, why have him face the top of the lineup with men on? Who cares if he’s rolling? I’m pretty sure there are plenty of pitchers out there who roll just fine, then fuck up. Marcum had a no no to the 7th or 8th in his first start and gave up a game tying homerun.
by LoveForTheGame13 on Apr 14, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Fail
I’d trust a “Rolling Matusz” over Albers & Co.
Those clowns wouldnt know what an OUT was if it hopped into bed with them naked.
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 14, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have trusted JJ against Bartlett
Than a tired starter facing the top of the order.
by LoveForTheGame13 on Apr 14, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
COME ON EVERYONE!!!!
LIVE TOGETHER OR WE DIE ALONE!!! (lol)
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 14, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It's linked in this post
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
hate afternoon games midweek
no class so i should be able to watch, but it gets in the way of getting work done
but the charging less for beer thing is pretty funny
i love paying 7 bucks for a bottle of cheap beer
by twistedlogic on Apr 14, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Lineup
I guess 5 hits in 2 days (plus one base running blunder) isn’t enough to keep Pie in the lineup against Price.
Jones CF
Wiggy 2B
Nick RF
Miggi 3B
Reimold LF
Luke DH
Atkins 1B
Tatum C
Izturis SS
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
back to the old crap
liked last nights lineup better
by twistedlogic on Apr 14, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
last nights lineup…was like christmas morning….so much potential to be amazing..but instead of that basass toy you wanted..you got socks….
by Parkinglotninja on Apr 14, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
had to make a change
weren’t you one of the most concerned about Wieters not getting rest? Switching in Tatum requires some other pieces to be moved around (not sure why no Pie though).
I'm guessing because Price is a tough lefty
And Pie has bad numbers against lefties. Given how he’s going though, I would have liked to have seen him get the shot, especially since he has less than 100 major league PAs against lefties (about 400 minor league PAs if i remember correctly)
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
cant hurt
i’d have gone:
pie LF
tejada 3B
markakis RF
wiggy 2B
jones CF
scott DH
atkins 1B
tatum C
izturis SS
by twistedlogic on Apr 14, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I think this is where matchups go too far
Pie is one of the only hitters getting anything done right now. He may not generally be able to hit lefties well, but right now no one else is hitting lefties or righties. Might as well ride the hot hand.
Yeah
I get you gotta rest Wieters, so even though it sucks, what can you do. But Jones and Wiggy at the top is just crazy.
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
yea true
resting wieters throws the whole thing off. i’d probably put wiggy at cleanup tho. cant hurt.
by twistedlogic on Apr 14, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Can't you rest him as the DH?
Unless I’m mistaken, the fatigue a catcher experiences is the result of squatting behind the plate, not taking ABs.
that's what I was thinking
I’d much rather have him batting right handed against Price than Luke flailing away left handed.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
That.... is disgusting
Ill be betting the Rays
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 14, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
christ - why is Luke in the game? Isn't price pitching?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Maybe they're hoping he's on the upswing
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
So, what, exactly, is a quote of pie?
Is that bigger than a slice? Is it more like a cupcake of pie? Or perhaps like a pie smoothie?
"I do think the O’s have sucked balls this season. If that displeases you Luke, then oh well."-birdman
haha i know!
i was just about to post “holy hell…..that actually looks good”
by twistedlogic on Apr 14, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I woke up this morning......
….and for a moment I felt great. The weather was good, it’s my last day of the week. For a couple of hours I had fun watching the Orioles play.
And then I remembered what happened in the end, and I felt my stomach drop.
Check out more of my highlights at dailymotion.com/gatecitycanes
I wish
you would step back from that ledge, my friend
You could cut… yourself instead… That’d be less painful than watching these fuckers!!
"I do think the O’s have sucked balls this season. If that displeases you Luke, then oh well."-birdman
ESPN Preview
“Two early series against the Baltimore Orioles are key to the Tampa Bay Rays putting together the best start in franchise history.”
Wow…… 5-3 is the best start in franchise history?!
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 14, 2010 12:10 PM EDT reply actions
**FUN POLL**
At what point would YOU have taken Matusz out last night
A) After the first dink
B) After the second dink
C) After the first solid single
D) Right when Dave did
E) If was coaching, he’d still be pitching RIGHT NOW…..
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 14, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions
You would! Haha
Thanks for being the result of my first extensive conversation in this group. I usually just post comments here and there.
B or C……B
by LoveForTheGame13 on Apr 14, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
After the bases were loaded
Matusz allowed a single to Rodriguez. Correct me if I’m wrong
by LoveForTheGame13 on Apr 14, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
right wasn't that the first solid single?
I can’t really remember…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Bartlett had the first "solid" single.
Rodriguez had the second, and then JJ… and then…. well, you know the rest.
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 14, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
D
Trust in your young talented pitcher, let him learn to pitch out of jams. But the dribblers and quails started turning into line drives, which usually means you’re out of gas
As soon as DD left the dugout, I let the dog out, so I missed the BP implosion. I’m not sure why JJ got pulled so quickly.
I want to breed [Matusz] with that female Japanese knuckleballer to create a race of super pitchers. --Weaver's Tantrum
But the dribblers and quails started turning into line drives, which usually means you’re out of gas
My problem is I think this was entirely predictable. Pull him before they start to turn into line drives.
And after two "line drives" he yanked him.
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 14, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
but if you look at the weakly hit balls as a sign that they were starting to pick up his pitches more,
like i did, then you saw the line drives coming. You should pull him right before the damage is done, not after.
If you have more confidence in your BP
I do not, which is why I let the dog out then.
I want to breed [Matusz] with that female Japanese knuckleballer to create a race of super pitchers. --Weaver's Tantrum
Again... how do you know "right before the damage is done"
Its always your last run before you get hurt…. .its “always in the last place you look” (why keep looking after you found it). These are simple statements.
Its ENTIRELY possible, he couldve gotten a DP ball and or another strikeout and gotten out of it fine and gone on to a CG shutout.
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 14, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
of course its possible.
but its also possible that he would give up the line drives. And watching him pitch in the 8th, i thought the line drives were a more likely outcome than the double play ball. I think the odds of JJ coming in (assuming he was properly warmed up, which is a different issue) and getting the double play is better than the odds of Matusz getting it.
We just gotta disagree man....
I just use the eyeball test… and the two dinks arent anymore indication to me that he was wearing down than if he had gotten two popups or weak dribbles to the infield. They just happened to find a tiny hole. They weren’t well hit.
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 14, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
as a sinker pitcher JJ was the right pitcher to bring in
but I don’t have a major problem with Matusz facing a .600 OPS 2B to try to get out of the jam.
I want to breed [Matusz] with that female Japanese knuckleballer to create a race of super pitchers. --Weaver's Tantrum
that's NOT sign they were starting to pick up his pitches better.
It’s just a sign that they got two lucky hits.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
No...
the bloopers had nothing to do with the liners.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
alright, i'm done with this argument
We’ve all pretty thoroughly explained our positions, and none of them are indefensible. I’m moving over to the game thread and worrying about the next inevitable fuck-up.
Ok
but i’ve yet to see an explanation for how a batter making shitty contact is a sign that batters are picking up pitches better…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I think i have pretty well
no hits → weak hits → line drives. I believe you could have identified a trend after the first two and prevented the third.
I’m sorry but that’s just not how pitching works. All you can control as a pitcher is the type of (or lack of) contact made. If the hitter doesn’t make good contact you’ve done your job. Shitty hits are not an indication of anything other than luck.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Only
because one of us doesn’t understand the facts of pitching.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
You're basically
arguing the old-school assessment of pitchers – ERA and Wins are what matters. Pretty much everybody has agreed that way of looking at pitchers doesn’t make any sense and have since moved to a much more logical approach – valuing strikeouts, low walks, and low HRs – which is essentially controlling the type of contact a hitter makes.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I think that's about the 3rd time you've said you're done
but how is it not the same thing? ERA and Ws are things that the pitcher has very limited control over, as is what happens to the ball after it’s put in play – especially when poor contact is made.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I’m not sure why JJ got pulled so quickly.
trembley’s stupid LOOGY fetish.
"If I were a horse, I'd go over to AJ [Burnett]'s house all the time!"
Bob 'n Rob, MASN
You'd think Jaime Walker would have cured him of that.
I want to breed [Matusz] with that female Japanese knuckleballer to create a race of super pitchers. --Weaver's Tantrum
Gonzalez hurt? I thought so
http://masnsports.com/school_of_roch/2010/04/gonzalez-hurt.html
I want to breed [Matusz] with that female Japanese knuckleballer to create a race of super pitchers. --Weaver's Tantrum
So this is me at the game
you can see me very well at :25 (i’’m the guy right next to the cop with the white panel cap on and a dark top). And for the record I told that douche that he’s “at least got to knock that fucking shit down! What the fuck was that!?”. Then he acted all tough for 3 seconds and sat down.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
Link might help
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7426325
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
Aubrey Huff hit an inside-the-park homer today.
http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7438915&c_id=sf
Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.
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