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What's wrong with Adam Jones at the plate?

First a disclaimer - I love Adam Jones on the Orioles. He is, by far, my favorite player and personality on the team. I follow his Twitter updates, I love his gum chewing, and the next O's jersey I will buy will be his.

But my man ain't right in 2010. His decline began in the second half of 2009 before an injury ended his season prematurely, and he's picked up where he left off this year. So what is wrong with Adam Jones at the plate this year?

To answer the question, I went to the data. FanGraphs and TexasLeaguers provide some great resources, so the data I'm using comes from them or their sources. I decided to compare Adam Jones' Fangraph data to the best-known batting eye on the Orioles - Nick Markakis and his FanGraph data. The main problem? Believe it or not, it's not curveballs.

The data, and my thoughts, after the jump.

Star-divide

I start in 2008, Adam's first full season in the majors and Nick's third. I've focused on two areas - pitches seen (how pitchers treat them) and plate discipline (how the batter reacts to what's thrown).

Starting in 2008, contrary to what I believed, Adam hasn't really seen that many more curves than Nick - less than 1% more in 2008, less than 0.50% in 2009, and even with the small sample size of 8 games, only 3% more this year. So it's not like pitchers are feeding him nothing but curves. The amount of sliders he's seen has declined every year he's been in the league, and although his 2010 number of cutters is skewed due to small sample size, he's seen a rather small number of those, too.

So, in many ways, the two batters have seen similar pitches for the last three years. For 2008 and 2009, the difference in the amount of strikes thrown to each batter is almost statistically insignificant - 2 more strikes for every 100 pitches for Jones in 2008, less than 1 every 200 pitches in 2009. Jones sees, on average, 5% fewer fastballs, but that's basically one fewer fastball every 3-4 plate appearances.

So where does the fault lie? In what each batter does with pitches in and out of the zone.

Markakis, as one would guess, doesn't swing at balls out of the zone. He swings at about 1 out of every 5 balls that aren't a strike. Last year, he swung at about 5% more than the year before, driving down his walks. So far, after 8 games, he's back to being more selective, although not yet at 2008 levels.

Jones, as is his reputation, is a much more free swinger. For his career, he's swinging, on average, at about 1 out of every 3 balls outside the strike zone, and so far after 8 games, it's almost half. He's swinging at 9 out of every 20 balls that AREN'T in the strike zone. He's swinging at junk of every kind. He's more than 10% above the league average in Swing Percentage, while Markakis is 10% below.

And Jones is seeing more strikes in 2010. Almost 50% of the pitches thrown to him this year have been strikes, while Markakis has seen significantly fewer. Only a little more than 1 out of every 3 pitches has been a strike for Markakis.

The spray chart for pitches for Jones tells a tale, also - a tale of a hitter swinging and missing at too many pitches within the strike zone, and a hitter taking too many inside pitches for called strikes.  Simply put, pitchers are busting him in, and he's not making them pay.

So what is Jones doing different so far this year?

  • He's seeing, or swinging at, 72% of first pitches for strikes. That's almost 3 in every 4 plate appearance he's either put the ball in play (usually for an out) or down 0-1 before he's seen the second pitch.
  • He's also swinging at almost half the balls outside the strike zone that he sees. And when you swing at 45% of the balls out of the strike zone you see, and only make contact with 56% of them, that's not going to lead to success.
  • He's taking too many pitches inside for strikes - pitchers aren't afraid to bust him in close.

Adam Jones should find more success by swinging less at balls outside the zone while protecting the inner third of the plate (seemingly incongruous goals), and swinging less at the first pitch. Those three slight changes might go a long way to helping Jones find his way out of this season-beginning slump.

All Data as of end of games Tuesday, April 13.

PITCHES SEEN

Season

Fastball

Slider

Cutter

Curveball

Changeup

2008 JONES

54.50%

19.50%

6.30%

10.80%

6.70%

2008 MARKAKIS

60.90%

12.90%

5.40%

9.90%

8.90%

2009 JONES

56.60%

17.30%

5.90%

9.40%

10.40%

2009 MARKAKIS

61.90%

13.00%

6.80%

9.00%

8.20%

2010 JONES

56.00%

12.00%

15.00%

8.00%

9.00%

2010 MARKAKIS

71.20%

7.90%

4.30%

5.00%

10.10%

PLATE DISCIPLINE

Season

O-Swing%

Z-Swing%

Swing%

O-Contact%

Z-Contact%

Contact%

Zone%

F-Strike%

SwStr%

2008 JONES

36.20%

69.10%

53.50%

62.10%

83.80%

76.90%

52.70%

66.00%

12.10%

2008 MARKAKIS

18.00%

64.20%

41.20%

69.20%

88.90%

84.60%

50.10%

58.00%

6.20%

2008 MLB AVERAGE

25.40%

65.40%

45.90%

61.70%

87.90%

80.80%

51.10%

58.60%

8.60%

2009 JONES

35.30%

73.20%

53.70%

57.60%

83.30%

74.60%

48.40%

57.80%

13.30%

2009 MARKAKIS

23.00%

60.90%

41.50%

73.10%

91.70%

86.40%

48.80%

57.10%

5.40%

2009 MLB AVERAGE

25.10%

65.90%

45.20%

61.80%

87.80%

80.50%

49.40%

58.20%

8.60%

2010 JONES

45.10%

68.80%

56.60%

56.50%

87.90%

75.00%

48.50%

72.20%

14.90%

2010 MARKAKIS

21.40%

58.00%

34.50%

79.00%

86.20%

83.30%

36.00%

55.60%

4.80%

2010 MLB AVERAGE

26.50%

64.00%

44.80%

64.20%

88.50%

81.10%

48.80%

57.40%

8.20%

O-Swing% - Percentage of pitches a batter swings at outside the strike zone

Z-Contact% - Percentage of times a batter makes contact with the ball when swinging at pitches thrown inside the strike zone

Z-Swing% - Percentage of pitches a batter swings at inside the strike zone.

Contact% - Total percentage of contact made when swinging at all pitches

Swing% - Total percentage of pitches a batter swings at

Zone% - Percentage of pitches seen inside the strike zone

O-Contact% - Percentage of times a batter makes contact with the ball when swinging at pitches thrown outside the strike zone

F-Strike% - First pitch strike percentage

SwStr% - Percentage of all pitches missed by a swing

 

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Adam will never be Nick, obviously

but he has got to stop chasing stuff. I think that there is no way he’ll keep up that 45% pace of swinging at pitches outsides the zone, simply because that’s absurdly high. Once there is more 2010 data it will hopefully even out.

I have faith in Jones but he is getting brutal to watch.

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by Stacey on Apr 15, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

It's 10% higher than the first two full years of his career

That’s not a good trend.

"How's that s---house of an Eastern Shore?" - William Donald Schaefer

by duck on Apr 15, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, but it's 40 plate appearances in 2010

compared to over 1000 for the rest of his career. I’m not saying it’s not troublesome, but two or three good games and that’ll drop quickly.

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by Stacey on Apr 15, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

There is that

"How's that s---house of an Eastern Shore?" - William Donald Schaefer

by duck on Apr 15, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

stats are best suited for later in the year

when we can dice them up into small portions and talk about how good our players are :-)

so if AJ goes on a tear this weekend, we can forget the first two weeks and talk about how good his bat is!

by twistedlogic on Apr 15, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's got to start pulling those inside strikes...

….or else they will keep getting him out that way.

Of course, we’ve played less than ten games so far.

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by James F on Apr 15, 2010 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah too soon to really worry

But doesn’t make it any easier to watch. That’s how I felt about Nick last year. I wasn’t worried about his long term productivity but I could barely stand to watch him at the plate flailing around.

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by Stacey on Apr 15, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno how they have done it...

…but they have made baseball in general just brutal to watch so far this season. And I’m a guy who usually can enjoy flipping on a few innings of a Pirates-Padres matchup.

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by James F on Apr 15, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

By the way, love the piece...

…I’m really enjoying the analysis articles so far this season.

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by James F on Apr 15, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Glad to know I'm not embarrassing myself with these :)

Stats, for me, aren’t my strong point. Stacey’s a lot better with this stuff than me.

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by duck on Apr 15, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

ha!

am not. I’m trying to learn, though.

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by Stacey on Apr 15, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Still better than me

"How's that s---house of an Eastern Shore?" - William Donald Schaefer

by duck on Apr 15, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully they will get better

And we will get better. Maybe the Rays just are a bad match up for us….

The future is not what it used to be.

by John Stephens on Apr 15, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think that

then somebody ruins it by mentioning we got swept by the blue jays….

by twistedlogic on Apr 15, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry I didn’t hear you. Come again?

The future is not what it used to be.

by John Stephens on Apr 15, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is true

I’m pretty impressed with the analysis, not being a number guy myself, it’s nice to know how the smart people feel.

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by Steve. on Apr 15, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great write up Duck

What the heck is the batting coach doing? Does he not see these numbers? Shouldn’t he be in his ear about this?

Small sample size or not, Adam needs to get smarter at the plate. It is painful to watch. Having him bat first kills any mojo we could get at the top of the line up. Maybe Pie should be getting more time since he has been so hot.

The future is not what it used to be.

by John Stephens on Apr 15, 2010 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Adam did take a walk yesterday

It’s just one, but hey, baby steps.

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by Stacey on Apr 15, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but he also struck out once and had 0 hits. Not exactly what you want from a lead off

The future is not what it used to be.

by John Stephens on Apr 15, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah well Adam should never bat leadoff

Even when Adam gets it together, he’s never going to be a great OBP guy. That’s just life.

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by Stacey on Apr 15, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's a 4 or a 5 hitter

His batting talents are insuitable at 1.

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by duck on Apr 15, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

unless your DT

And speed is the #1 requirement of a leadoff hitter. Dipshit Dave.

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by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 15, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does Adam even steal bases that well?

I’d have to B-R.com that to see, and I’m on my way to lunch.

Yes, HS teachers eat lunch at 10:50 a.m.

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by duck on Apr 15, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

No he does not

10 SB in 08 and 09. Caught three times in 08, 4 times in 09. So he’s not helping anybody with that.

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by Stacey on Apr 15, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

over-reaction

I think we are just reminded that Jones is still very toolsy and is just 23. Maybe he isn’t the instant star that we thought, but players dont figure this out overnight.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 15, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont see this as an over reaction

It’s not something we should rule out. Obviously he’s still young and has a good opportunity to become a productive 4 or 5 hitter, but being a fan of the Orioles, I try not to see this as a sure thing. I don’t want to be so pessimistic, but stuff like that seems to happen too often for the O’s.

by Trebuchet on Apr 15, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

A prospect failing

Is always a possibility but its still too early to tell. I always thought he would be more of a 5 or 6 hitter because of his low OBP but good slugging %. I still think he’ll be a torii hunter type player and hunter was 25 or 26 before he started putting up good numbers. Most young players struggle with consistency but with some experience he should figure that out.

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by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 15, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is important

for us all to remember how young he still is. That’s a good point.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Apr 15, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking 6-7

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Apr 15, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

Pie should get some time somewhere though.

The future is not what it used to be.

by John Stephens on Apr 15, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pie looks good so far in leadoff

I’d be happy to see him there until Brian returns.

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by Stacey on Apr 15, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

he has looked good so far

I dont know about long term because he doesn’t exactly seem like a high OBP type but then again i dont know who else should go there.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 15, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

He should be leadoff

Until he plays like he shouldn’t.

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by the fix is in on Apr 15, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he almost definitely DOES NOT see these numbers.

Can anybody really see The Crow sitting down and going through this shit?

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by O'sFan21 on Apr 15, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great piece of analysis

and not too far from where intuition and obsessive fandom lead. Thankee.

by fishoutawata on Apr 15, 2010 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

nice post… does anyone also think not having a set place in the lineup might hurt his mentality too?

Interesting per your stats (swinging at first pitches, swinging at balls, etc) you would think making him bat leadoff is the worst decision to get him out of his slump. Yet another sign Trembley ain’t so good. (as a side note: I’m tired of seeing routine, fundamental plays – base running and fielding – being botched on a nightly basis. A direct result of a bad manager, IMO).

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by bigity b on Apr 15, 2010 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Because I think the tale of two Adams really begins at about May 30th...

I’m curious to see splits of these numbers from last year for April/May and then the rest of the season.

That was my birthday and I actually got to meet him before the game. It was Wieters Day 2, and Adam softly hit a tapper to the pitcher for a DP with the bases loaded. I think he went 0-5 that day too. FML.

Basically, from that point on he sucked.

First, his splits from baseball-reference:

April .359 .433 .628 1.062
May .333 .369 .590 .960
June .229 .286 .323 .609
July .270 .324 .440 .764
August .211 .287 .333 .620

Now according to Fangraphs, here are his swing rates for balls outside the strikezone and his % of first pitch strikes by month of last year:

April 25% 57.8%
May 37.9% 53.2%
June 41.8% 57.1%
July 38.3% 58.3%
August 32.4% 64.4%

Im not sure what this means. In April, he wasn’t swinging as freely and he had good numbers, but in May he started swinging a little more freely and his numbers remained good.

by brek on Apr 15, 2010 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I've been wondering about the second half of last year.

That’s not subject to dismissal by the small sample size argument.

Yeah, I could investigate if I had time, so I’ll remain curious.

by drj on Apr 15, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff

Furthermore: (AJ,S!, 08-10)
BABIP: .329, .308, .241
K%: 22.6, 19.7, 21.1
BB%: 4.5, 6.9, 2.5
ISO: .130, .180, .158
LD%: 17.8, 16.5, 3.3
FB: 38.6, 35.4, 28.1

So, given all 40 PA this year, it seems to me that he’s failing to make adjustments where the pitchers and fielders against him are. A lot of people refer to BABIP as ‘luck’ which I kind of hate, intelligent fielding positioning can affect that number tremendously. And pitchers have learned more about his eye than he has. He’s not striking out any more than usual, and his power is about the same, but he’s not taking walks, even to his level, and he’s not making solid contact.

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by CoachOfEarl on Apr 15, 2010 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

BABIP

From a pitchers perspective is more luck, from a hitters perspective, it is more controllable.

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by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 15, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right, over his career

But when you see variations from what the batter’s norm for some period of time it can indicate good or bad luck. Derek Jeter has a very high BABIP for his career, but that doesn’t mean he’s been lucky for 15 years. But if it drops down quite a bit for like a month you can probably conclude he was unlucky then.

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by Stacey on Apr 15, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

sure

I still don’t think it’s luck, luck is how you explain what you can’t explain. If your timing is off by .05 sec then you’re hitting long fouls instead of HR. If your bat is off by .25" then you’re hitting GB instead of LD.

OTOH, Jeter is lucky, really.

I want to breed [Matusz] with that female Japanese knuckleballer to create a race of super pitchers. --Weaver's Tantrum

by CoachOfEarl on Apr 15, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome analysis

I always look at pitch-type data with a bit of skepticism because I think lots of times pitch types are not accurately captured, but who knows. Do you know where they get that data from? Is it just based on radar gun readings?

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by O'sFan21 on Apr 15, 2010 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

FanGraphs doesn't use PitchFX, TexasLeaguers does

FanGraphs site says which they use, I forget.

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by duck on Apr 15, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

I thought PitchFX was a FanGraphs thing. I really don’t know much about it though. I just always thought pitch type recognition has always been faulty – whether it’s players/scouts charting from the dugout or stands or the stadium/TV displays it always seems questionable at best.

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by O'sFan21 on Apr 15, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

FanGraphs's stuff is definitely off.

I was just looking at Bergesen’s PitchFx stuff, and they’re saying he’s throwing a splitter this year (which I’m 99% sure is a mislabeled changeup). They also said he threw a curveball last year, and I’m almost positive that he doesn’t (and that they were mislabeled sliders). I think they need to combine scouting with the technology, so that people who know what the guy throws catch dumb mistakes like these, while human error is greatly reduced by the computerized tracking.

On another note, I mistyped that as “FagGraphs” at first. Considering some of the tensions here lately, I’m glad I caught it. :P

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by Vuff on Apr 15, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha

That’s a funny mistake though.

Yeah I see that kind of stuff with almost every pitcher that I look at PitchFx for. Do you know how the technology works?

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by O'sFan21 on Apr 15, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

PFX is a system installed in all MLB parks

which you can download from some database somewhere. Lots of sites import the data into their own databases where they interpret them, spit out pretty charts and graphs and tables.

There is a Hit F/X also, which I can’t seem to find much on, since it’s newer

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by CoachOfEarl on Apr 15, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

So

is it based on velocity and movement measured by cameras? Or is it based on a person making a judgment? Or a combination?

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by O'sFan21 on Apr 15, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I obviously could look all this up

but I’m lazy.

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by O'sFan21 on Apr 15, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

It’s a combo, if you plot the pitch break (H and V) and also the speed, the balls fall into clusters that are interpreted automagically as CU, CH, F4, etc. I looked for about a minute and couldn’t find an example, but between BTB and FG, you should find one of these graphs.

Read stuff here for more info.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/section/pitch-f-x-goodies

I want to breed [Matusz] with that female Japanese knuckleballer to create a race of super pitchers. --Weaver's Tantrum

by CoachOfEarl on Apr 15, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

100% automated, right?

To my understanding, one of the biggest problems with it is that the clusters are not individualized at all for different pitchers. Obviously, it would take a lot of time and careful analysis to do that. I’m guessing it’d be especially tricky with pitchers that throw several fastballs, or throw on a whole continuum from cutter to slider, or are really good at changing speeds.

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by Vuff on Apr 15, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe so

Here’s a PFX link I posted earlier in the Matusz analysis which may show it better. Spin has a lot to do with it also.

Changing speeds is accounted for, and a large part of breaking out a pitch.

I want to breed [Matusz] with that female Japanese knuckleballer to create a race of super pitchers. --Weaver's Tantrum

by CoachOfEarl on Apr 15, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

to continue

it does have problems, I think those two pitches in the link above that are classified as sliders are just curves that didn’t break. But, really, was that intentional, or a system problem? We won’t know. It’s one thing to define a pitch by how you hold it and throw it, and another to see what it actually does.

I want to breed [Matusz] with that female Japanese knuckleballer to create a race of super pitchers. --Weaver's Tantrum

by CoachOfEarl on Apr 15, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

Just to clarify, by changing speeds, I mean the ability to throw the same pitch slightly differently to throw off hitters’ timing even if they guess right. So, you might usually throw your slider from 80-82, but you can hold it just a touch differently or some such to ever-so-slightly increase the movement on it and slow it to 78-80.

I think this is what happened a lot with Bergy’s slider last year, and why a handful of pitches that look like slightly slower sliders with a touch more break are labeled as curves. Though in that case, it may just be random variation; I don’t know if he has that kind of command of his slider. But even if it is random variation, I would argue it’s still mislabeling the pitch.

The whole system is still great, don’t get me wrong. It’s awesome to be able to look at that kind of data. But the pitch types have to be taken with a large grain of salt, which is unfortunate, because that can impact a lot of the other stats that sites generate.

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by Vuff on Apr 15, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

The data is in there

And if the O’s aren’t analyzing it themselves, I can make myself available soon for a nominal fee.

I want to breed [Matusz] with that female Japanese knuckleballer to create a race of super pitchers. --Weaver's Tantrum

by CoachOfEarl on Apr 15, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Crow

MUST GO.

There’s more free swinging going on around this lineup than on a Friday night at Hedonism II. Time for a puritanical purge of all this mindless pursuit of cheap hits with wanton pitches.

by Jonny Pops on Apr 15, 2010 12:03 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

AMEN to this

Before anyone talks about firing Trembley, the Crow needs to be gone, and some time given for the offense to respond to a real batting coach.

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by zknower on Apr 15, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Am I wrong or does it not even seem like he gets any criticism ever? It doesn’t make sense.

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by O'sFan21 on Apr 15, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

He gets a lot of critcism from fans

baseball people sing his praises. I honesty don’t know. I’ve never seen any definitive proof that the Crow says they should be aggressive and swing freely (if that exists, someone please point it out to me). I know that Nick Markakis gives him a ton of credit for his development, and his work with Felix Pie last year seems to have done wonders.

I do think that it’s a little strange that this team changes managers and other coaches like they change their underwear but the Crow has been around for five hundred years.

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by Stacey on Apr 15, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s true about Pie (and really he looks like a totally different hitter than when he first came over and I know he does a ton of work with the Crow so that probably says something), but wasn’t Nicky a patient hitter from the time he came up?

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Apr 15, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plate Discipline is just be one aspect of the work they probably do.

Its entirely possible that he’s a good enough coach in other areas that its been a forgivable weakness. It’s gotten to the point that the approach definitely needs to change. Whether it can be fixed by simply Crowley emphasizing it more or bringing in an assistant who’s better at it, or requires him to be replaced entirely, is a bigger issue.

by kba26 on Apr 15, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

From what I've read...

The Crow’s philosophy is to go with the flow as a hitting coach. He’s quite popular with the players. It’s easy to be popular with people you agree with all the time.

But the results remain the same. Free swingers up and down our lineup. One & dones at the plate. Low pitch counts and easy innings for opposing starters.

The Crow shoulda been gawwwww-on a long time ago.

But Oh Terry,
So Agreeable.
Holds on. Holds on.

Oh Terry.
Won’t step on no toes.
Holds on. Holds on.

by Jonny Pops on Apr 15, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

You sure notice the one & done, or three up, three down five pitch innings more

First pitch swinging GIDPs after a guy’s just walked two batters, and so on. It feels like aggression at the wrong times.

But in the aggregate, is it as bad as we think? I dunno. Looking up pitches/plate appearance on BR for last year, the Orioles had 3.80 P/PA as a team, and the league average was 3.84. By contrast, NYY had 3.88 and the Red Sox had 3.94.

In the limited sample size of this year, we are looking at 3.65 P/PA to a league average of 3.88. Which is dragged down by Tejada pulling a hefty 2.64.

How the Crow hangs on through all the revolving door of general managers/managers and other coaching staff is really a mystery. He may not even be bad, but at some point you’d figure somebody would have decided change for change’s sake is necessary.

Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008

by Eat More Esskay on Apr 15, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The crow is on my list too

Him and dipshit dave can do nothing to make me believe they should be here, Juan Samuel is another coach that should just be sent packing with no questions asked.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 15, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really you could clean house in the coaching staff

But who do you bring in? Do we promote the entire Tides staff,etc? DD is much better then Perlozzo, but who knows who we’d get in their place. Although I think just about anyone would be better than The Windmill.

I want to breed [Matusz] with that female Japanese knuckleballer to create a race of super pitchers. --Weaver's Tantrum

by CoachOfEarl on Apr 15, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

re:

“DD is much better then Perlozzo”

Why? I mean he loses just as much or more. He’s more confident than old Sam and better in front of the camera. Plus I will grant he’s not as big of a moron about the bullpen. But is he really much better?

by Jonny Pops on Apr 15, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

For one, DD isn't shy about giving umps the business

Sam would just go out there with his tail between his legs and politely inquire why the ump was screwing the team, and if they planned on doing it some more.

That’s about all I’ve got. Scratch the ‘much’ in the above statement.

I want to breed [Matusz] with that female Japanese knuckleballer to create a race of super pitchers. --Weaver's Tantrum

by CoachOfEarl on Apr 15, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would clean house with the entire staff

They obviously aren’t winning and its my believe that managers pretty much only screw stuff up. Yelling at umps doensn’t change their calls and it doesnt inspire the team. Really i just wish dipshit dave never did another hit and run, sacrifice bunt or IBB. He has proven that he cant be responsible with them so he should not allowed to do them anymore.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 15, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's called a slump

All he needs to do is drink excessively and sleep with a “slump buster.”

-Mark Grace

by Illformula on Apr 15, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

two great posts duck. you’re blogging up a storm dawg.

by thewaywardO on Apr 15, 2010 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank God for teh auto-publish option

I can set when it publishes. It’s not like I typed this up this morning during 1st period. :)

"How's that s---house of an Eastern Shore?" - William Donald Schaefer

by duck on Apr 15, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hi friends

67MARQUEZ from Athletics Nation. Though I am more history than stats, I very much enjoyed this post by duck, which interestingly enough, is one of many nicknames I go by.

Also, here’s a Q&A I did with your Team Mom. Good luck tonight and this weekend. I am sure it will be brutal staying up late to tune in. Well it would be for me anyways.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Apr 15, 2010 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Nah

Staying up late will be just fine – the brutality will come from watching our shitty team butcher the game of baseball.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Apr 15, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah but

if my team is going to suck they can at least have the decency to do so at a reasonable hour.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Apr 15, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha true

Although on the other hand, it’s much more socially acceptable to be drunk already for a 10 PM start as opposed to a 7 PM start.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Apr 15, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah?

I have it somewhere…

This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873

by Stacey on Apr 15, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Considering you sent me an email this morning at a completely ungodly hour on the west coast

I can see why you’d have trouble staying up late :)

I’ll be posting the Q&A with AN tonight at 6 p.m.

This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873

by Stacey on Apr 15, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no choice though since I have the game threads tonight. :)

Looking forward to it. Oh wait, I guess I already read it, didn’t I? (ha)

And really about Miggy? It was me who assumed the “y”, and then assumed that my AN crew also spelled it that way. So that’s a double assume. Yikes.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Apr 15, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its a natural assumption

I think its an English/Spanish thing. But he’s spells it with an i, so that’s the spelling we’ve adopted here.

by kba26 on Apr 15, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha I posted my miggi gloves on AN before seeing kba above me

It took us awhile to catch on to Miggi as well. It might look a little strange but if that’s what Miggi wants, who am I to argue.

This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873

by Stacey on Apr 15, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Apr 15, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mine's no nickname

It’s right on my driver’s license. Stupid parents… :)

"How's that s---house of an Eastern Shore?" - William Donald Schaefer

by duck on Apr 15, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go with annoying.

That’s the way I figure it. Took me a few years to figure out why Verizon was sending me offers in Korean.

"How's that s---house of an Eastern Shore?" - William Donald Schaefer

by duck on Apr 15, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Apr 15, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Verizon thought you were Korean because your last name is Duck?

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by birdman on Apr 15, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently

"How's that s---house of an Eastern Shore?" - William Donald Schaefer

by duck on Apr 15, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been reading some of your posts on AN

Great stuff! History lessons don’t need to be boring. :)

by Chanumas on Apr 15, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey thanks!

Appreciate that.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Apr 15, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duck, busting out with the hardcore empirical analysis

Great job man. Loved reading this.

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by birdman on Apr 15, 2010 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't know about all that

I mean, BABIP is still a foreign concept to me. I just took the stats I understood – what pitchers are throwing and how Adam reacts – and went from there. I ereally didn’t analyze what happens to the ball AFTER he swings. That’s a topic for someone who understands those stats better than me.

But what I did see in teh swing data seemed to provide at least some answer to why he’s struggling this year.

"How's that s---house of an Eastern Shore?" - William Donald Schaefer

by duck on Apr 15, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

His batted ball data is really ugly

His line drive % is only 3.3%, his HR/FB rate is lower than it has been in any season where he’s played in the majors, and two of his five hits have been infield hits. I haven’t looked into it game by game, but it looks like he hasn’t made any solid contact since opening day.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Apr 15, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two of eight hits, sorry

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Apr 15, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

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