Cal Ripken turned down by Angelos for a job with Orioles?
by Stacey on Apr 16, 2010 9:34 PM EDT
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PrintAndrewTorrez posted this link in Bird Droppings but I don't want it to get overlooked.
According to Ken Rosenthal, Cal Ripken met with Andy MacPhail about taking a role in the front office only to be rebuffed by Peter Angelos. Excerpts:
Ripken met with Andy MacPhail, the team’s president of baseball operations, about rejoining the organization, sources said.
Angelos, however, nixed the idea in a separate conversation with Ripken, telling him, according to three sources, that he did not want Ripken to receive credit once the team returned to prominence.
Ripken and MacPhail, according to that source, agreed that their relationship could be mutually beneficial. Ripken would have helped MacPhail with his vast baseball knowledge. MacPhail would have helped Ripken learn the administrative side of the game.
Angelos, however, was reluctant to create any perception that MacPhail was not fully in control, a source said.
It's really unknown how much of this is true, but if any of it is this is simply ridiculous. The idea that Peter Angelos would nix bringing in an Oriole legend and successful businessman in the baseball world is unbelievable. Especially if Andy MacPhail wanted someone like Ripken to work with him to provide additional baseball knowledge.
Peter Angelos has been largely quiet since he hired Andy MacPhail, but if this is true he's back in the news in a big way, and in a way that will give Orioles fans even more reason to question his motives.
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wow. read my mind.
i was just ranting over on the other post that this should be front-page news over here.
For the first time ever i say this
FUCK YOU PETER ANGELOS
Yeah, it would just be terrible...
…if Cal got credit for something he didn’t do. We’d all cry hard about it, I’m sure.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
this whole thing smells funny to me
Cal would have to divest himself of the Ripken Baseball MiLB teams to do this, it just doesn’t make that much sense.
"I'd like to do something. We all would here," he added. "As I've said before, you just don't want to do anything stupid that you're thinking in May, 'What in the God's green earth was I thinking about?'" - Andy MacPhail 12/8/09
Yeah but say what you want about Rosenthal
He’s usually on point when he reports something.
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
This one just doesn't make sense though.
At all.
"I'd like to do something. We all would here," he added. "As I've said before, you just don't want to do anything stupid that you're thinking in May, 'What in the God's green earth was I thinking about?'" - Andy MacPhail 12/8/09
He only have to divest him nominally. When Selig became commissioner, he simply handed over his ownership stake of the Brewers to his other family members. Cal could easily do the same.
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Isn't a minor league team substantially different?
And isn’t being a player advisor type role substantially different than being commissioner of the league? It seems like a totally different situation to me – there are no conflicting interests as far as I can tell.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
could be, don't know
I’m just saying that Cal divesting himself of his ownership stakes wouldn’t be a roadblock at all.
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Oh ok - yeah it was getxstoked who said he would have to divest himself.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
It seems odd to me too
Hasn’t Peter Angelos basically agreed to eventually sell the team to a group with Ripken in it? I thought I remember hearing that. I don’t see why he’d agree to that, then turn Ripken down when he wants back into the organization.
I’d like to hear more from this before I make a judgement.
My favorite part
Is how MacPhail wanted to bring him on board but Angelos said no because he doesn’t want it to appear that MacPhail isn’t in total control. But by overriding MacPhail, isn’t that the proof that he’s NOT in control?
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Eh...
…Rosenthal is usually pretty accurate overall, but he’s also usually totally being played by one of his sources, like Boras. So some of that is probably coming from someone for a reason of their own.
But still, the signs of an active Angelos are here: spending a lot on mediocre free agents? Check. Total uninvolvement on Cuban players? Check. Stupid front office stuff with the Stockstills and now this?
Me no likey.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
This better not be true.....
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
Someone will ask Ripken about it soon enough
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If this is true
then I will kill Peter Angelos, I will picket his funeral, and I will piss on his grave.
Actually I’ll probably only do one of those. Guess which?
"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008
Adam Jones is the tits.
by KenDixonFanClub on Apr 16, 2010 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
If true, this is outrageous.
I would probably lose hope of this team ever being good, since it would imply the meddling James talks about above. But I’m going to try to ignore it until/unless we hear more.
Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.
I know Rosenthal dislikes Angelos, but why make up a charge like this?
You can bet that the fans will assume this is true. I don’t find it far fetched. Fan support is already reaching lows. It’s going to get worse. If this is true, Angelos deserves every bit of negative blow back that’s sure to follow. It makes me wonder why I should spend any more time following this pathetic franchise. It’s a sickly hollow shell of the great franchise I grew up with.
it's not that he's making it up it's that he'll report anything anyone else says to get attention
by thewaywardO on Apr 16, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this.
and he is obvi getting that attention. what a hack.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
well, if rosenthal is reporting something that isn't entirely true
then that should be the real story. That’s a pretty serious charge as well.. I guess we won’t know for a while, right?
I wonder who his three independent sources are?
Cal, Billy, and Andy? And yeah, Rosenthal has some serious hate for Angelos.
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I think Rosenthal sucks too
but it strikes me as unlikely that he’d make up a story that you could disprove so easily (e.g., by calling Cal — which, as Stacey points out, someone will do in the next day or so).
Does this strike anyone as something Angelos WOULDN’T do?
Um, "even more reason to question [PA's] motives"?
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"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
what a self righteous FUCKING ASSHOLE
"On my tombstone just write, 'The sorest loser that ever lived.'"
Earl Weaver
Something to think about...
The article leaves room for one to speculate that maybe Ripken is being kept away in order to shelter him from potential fallout if this current “rebuilding” phase should turn into yet another “rebuilding” phase.
The piece is chock-full of noncommittal phrasing, though. The sources contradict each other on a number of points. We don’t really have a clear picture of what has actually happened. I am going to agree with a number of the above comments in that the best thing to do at this point, with respect to this story, is to wait and see where the chips fall.
Strange article, to say the least.
"'Tis the time's plague when madmen lead the blind."
True True seems thought we will find out in the next couple of days.
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by 17oriolesfan on Apr 17, 2010 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I was pumped about the Cal possiblities
Would hate for this to be true
This is hearsay but . . .
My Mom has a friend whose son worked at Angelos’ law firm years ago and the story he tells is that Angelos always hated Cal Ripken. That Angelos always resented how much more popular Ripken was than the Orioles and the way that he became untouchable once he approached and broke Lou Gehrig’s record.
Also, it’s an ill-kept secret that Ripken never got along with any Orioles management after his dad was fired in 1988.
It's been a well know rumor that Angelos hate Cal
Petey think Cal is an egoistic jerk.
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Todd Webster's spin, via Twitter: Cal approached Andy asking to be taught about front office, orioles declined, Cal complained to Rosenthal.
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
by Stacey on Apr 17, 2010 9:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
If true you have to wonder why they pushaway the 'beloved' O's
Brooks stays away from the team and only thinly disguises his distaste for Angelos.
Why push Ripken away? He’s rekindle fan interest and says he wants to learn the ropes. Is Angelos really so paranoid and selfish that he fears Ripken will get ‘credit’ for any improvement in the franchise? I guess Angelos ought to worry about all the credit he’s gotten for destroying the franchise. No matter what they do next (and it currently isn’t very encouraging), the tag of most hated owner is going to stick. If the O’s get better it will be MacPhail who did it in spite of Angelos, who will remain a loathed figure.
Let's be fair...
Peter Angelos is not the “best” owner in professional sports, but he is nowhere near the worst. The man made it clear he wanted to keep the team in Baltimore (and there was some concern that new ownership was going to move the team before PA took control), he put out major money in terms of payroll to keep Cal in town, bring in Robbie Alomar, Bobby Bonilla, Albert Belle, etc. (and that’s only early to mid-90s spending).
The stadium has seen major upgrades to the point that when I take family to OPACY for their first game, they always are in utter shock that the stadium is 19 years old.
Angelos had a hand in the Davey Johnson firing, but what in the hell has Davey done since ‘98? Ok, so Phil Regan wasn’t the best candidate (nor was Hargrove, Mazilli, Parlazzo, or even Diamond Dave), but managers in baseball are pretty freaking worthless. At this level of play, the most important guys on staff are your hitting and pitching coaches.
Ticket prices are quite reasonable, considering attendance has been so poor that if you want you can move down any time after the third inning. Concessions suck, but hey, you can bring food in.
I think putting all the blame on Angelos for a dozen years of suckitude is unfair, considering his first five years were fairly successful. He’s proven he’ll listen to someone worth listening to. Seriously, would YOU have listened to anything Flanagan or Beatie told you?
by TerroristFistJab on Apr 17, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Dear Mr Warehouse employee
Angelos pushed out his successful GM in some clash of egos and proceeded to grind the franchise into the ground. It’s pretty clear he didn’t want to listen to them, Gillick in particular. What has he done since he left the O’s? You bring up Flanagan and Beattie as examples where Angelos showed some smarts by not listening to them. He employed them to begin with. Did you realize that? You can spin all you want, but the fact remains that the O’s have been pitiful for years. Those ticket prices aren’t drawing fans to the stadium.
I’m not discounting Angelos’ other philanthropic activities, but as a baseball owner, his legacy in Baltimore is cast in stone. You may not realize it in the Warehouse, but it’s not a good one.
You also didn’t counter the fact that Brooks disdains Angelos and all that the Orioles have become under him That speaks volumes to Baltimore fans.
Godwin and O's fans
It’s almost not worth continuing a debate when someone accuses someone of working in the warehouse.
But, I’ll feed you, my trollish friend. PA had to hire Johnson and Gillick to fire them, no? He paid Cal his money, ponied up all of that dough for the last successful O’s teams and blew wads of cash on these bad teams. I don’t care what people say about PA not being willing to spend – that’s a dumb, unfounded lie. Look to the Florida Marlins for that kind of claim.
Owning a baseball team isn’t easy, only one team wins the WS each year, and only 8 make the playoffs. The MFY for the love of God, hadn’t won the big title in a decade.
And frankly, I don’t give a damn what Brooksie thinks of Angelos. Clearly management gets along with some of the former O’s (Palmer, Boog, Flanagan, etc.). While I know Brooks is one of the nicest guys you’d ever want to meet, I don’t know what has happened between them, so I can’t judge.
by TerroristFistJab on Apr 18, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Just an FYI
drj is very much not a troll. He’s been around MUCH longer than you.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Point?
DrJ ignored the point of my post and went with the playground insult more likely to be found on Schmuck’s blog.
by TerroristFistJab on Apr 18, 2010 7:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You called him a troll - which he is not. That was my point.
Thought it was obviously, but perhaps not.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
The Orioles haven't spent much on OPaCy
The Maryland Stadium Authority has. They own the building, not the O’s.
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by duck on Apr 18, 2010 10:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fair enough...
But it was Andy MacPhail that leaned on the MSA to get the upgrades.
by TerroristFistJab on Apr 18, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Angelos
Peter Angelos is the worst owner in professional sports. Even the owners of the Arizona Cardinals and New Orleans Saints have woken up. How can you take a club with history of the Baltimore Orioles and a ballpark like Camden Yards and be satisfied with an average (that may be kind) product. He is a JOKE!
Dan Snyder would like a word with you...
But seriously – it’s Rosenthal. Yes he’s got access (a la Peter King with the NFL), but this is so one-sided that I would wager that it is pure spin.
Look at it this way: the knock on Angelos with the know-nothings the past decade has been that he is a money grubbing owner that doesn’t care about winning.
If you believe this stuff written by Rosenthal, then you’d have to immediately think that Angelos not only cares about winning (to the point that he’d keep Cal away for the sake of ensuring credit doesn’t leave the Warehouse), but he’d ignore some ducats (face it, Cal joining the team jumps attendance by a small percentage and probably impacts the number of people following the team through print and broadcast media).
I call shenanigans.
I haven’t always agreed with the decisions made by ownership, but some of the hatred is so irrational that I sometimes can’t even listen to the Fan or read other non-CC blogs because people are just so far out of it.
by TerroristFistJab on Apr 17, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
My favorite quote in the article was . . .
Angelos, however, nixed the idea in a separate conversation with Ripken, telling him, according to three sources, that he did not want Ripken to receive credit once the team returned to prominence.
When exactly is that going to be?
I'm not buying
This story has so many holes and smells so bad that there has to be more to it. Plus, Cal the player & Cal the man are two different things, so I don’t think it makes sense to assume the worst about every breath of Angelos’s and the best of anything that emanates from Cal. Obviously very little information available at this point.
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