Monday Bird Droppings
by duck on Apr 19, 2010 7:04 AM EDT
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Game recaps of yesterday's win (did I spell that correctly? Not much practice lately) can be found here (Zrebiec), here (SFGate), and here (Ghiroli).
Orioles Insider: Bergesen not panicking
Brad Bergesen says he and Rick Kranitz have watched video, and he's going to get that sinker to sink. If Jeremy Guthrie and his fragile pysche can come back, you know 3E1N will. Dude doesn't lack for self-confidence.-duck
Tejada diagnosed with hip abductor strain | MLB.com: News
Miggi's still not expected to land on the DL. -duck
Baltimore Orioles’ 8-3 win over Oakland Athletics has many positives - baltimoresun.com
"I turned on the game and saw players lining up and smiling and fist-bumping each other. I saw the manager beaming and congratulating his coaches. Naturally, I thought: Wrong game. I'm looking for the Orioles." Oh, Kevin Cowherd, you're not as funny as you'd like to be. -duck
MLB Preview: Orioles vs. Mariners April 19, 2010
With an emphasis on the betting lines, because that's all that matters, right? -duck
IN THE MINORS: Norfolk lost 10-1, Baysox lost 4-0, Keys won 7-6, and Shorebirds lost 9-7.
Josh Bell fans four times in Norfolk game
He's not exactly giving Miguel Tejada any reason to think he'll be traded in July. -duck
Interview with Hitting Coach Mike Devereaux | Delmarva Shorebirds News
"Shorebirds radio broadcaster Bret Lasky caught up with new hitting coach Mike Devereaux on April 17th to talk about a variety of topics." -duck
Warming Up With Steve Johnson - Bowie Baysox
Steve Johnson answers questions about football. Wait, what? -duck
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it looks like Team gets to see donkey end of Seattle’s rote tonight and tomorror then Millwood v. Felix on Wed.
that shapes up as good as you could want …. you know, amid Return to Prominence
*RtP
Nice.
I think Bergesen will have a good game today too.
Gosh, I sure hope so
Since the only guy making his case to replace 3E1N is Jake Arrieta, and promoting him would create a roster issue….and you know, I like Brad and hate to see him utterly helpless like he’s been.
Outs in baseball are like lives in Mario.
trembley says
All the mixing and matching, sometimes enough is enough with that.
but I don’t believe him
cxcxcxcxzzzzzzzzz
i definitely think that if matusz plays like this all year
we will definitely have a 20 game winner on our hands.
by Parkinglotninja on Apr 19, 2010 9:12 AM EDT reply actions
Wins 2 of every 3 starts?
22 game winner. :)
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
I just checked and...
The only pitcher to win ROY and Cy Young in the same season was Fernando Valenzuela with the 1982 Dodgers.
Not saying Matusz will get it, but it would be cool.
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
by NewYorkOriole on Apr 19, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
doubt it'd happen again
even if matusz deserved it, there would be lots of bitching from the rest of the baseball world. generally, i’d tell them to go have a big mochachino of HARDEN THE FUCK UP, but my opinion doesnt count for much.
by twistedlogic on Apr 19, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
LOVED that video
Thanks for posting that
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
Just was checking stats online
and saw that after last night Matusz is the leading the league in strikeouts.
Playing on my iPod- Justin Bieber, Hanna Montana, Miley Cyrus, Miranda Cosgrove and The Jonas Brothers.
by Knubles and Bits on Apr 19, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
He's been great
Matusz’ 4.34 ERA is pretty misleading. His FIP is 1.85 and xFIP is 3.75. Based on the way he’s going I think that 4.34 will definitely drop.
I’d love to see his walks drop a bit, though, and maybe a few more ground balls. I’m confident he’ll get there.
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
id really like to see it drop
can you imagine the 2010 roy and cy young winner coming from the orioles. that would be birdland defined!
by Parkinglotninja on Apr 19, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
That ERA has alot to do with the pen
Sure, they were his runners, but a decent bullpen doesnt let every single possible inherited runner score. I don’t know the number off the top of my head, but i’d say at least 4 runs he’s given up have been actually given up by the bullpen.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
You would be correct.
It’s 4 runs (out of 9 allowed). Take those away, and his ERA is 2.41. If two of them score, it’s 3.38.
Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.
His WHIP is pretty darn good. 1.232
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
True.
And the k/9 is a whopping 11.1
This series is taking years off of my life.
by Knubles and Bits on Apr 19, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
I dont have an issue with the ground balls yet
Stats like that are meaningless until you get a much larger sample size. The walks are a bit high but you cant complain about his performance thus far at all.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 19, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Aren't his walks heavily skewed by his first start?
1 BB in each of his last two starts seems pretty great to me.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
It's refreshing
He seems to have a really good head on his shoulders, to be able to go out there as the rookie of the staff and stop a losing streak like that.
He didn't stop the losing streak
The offense busted out and stopped that losing streak.
Outs in baseball are like lives in Mario.
ummm
I would say he had at least SOMETHING to do with it. Since…you know…if the A’s had scored more than the O’s we would still have a losing streak…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
He pitched great
but for the most part, the starters have all been pitching great (except Bergesen). The Orioles won because the offense got it together for a game. I’m putting the “stopper” status on the bats for this one.
Outs in baseball are like lives in Mario.
hopefully we can keep this winning thing going
if we can keep the offense alive, keep our starters well, and keep matusz away from any ball hit by billy butler i think this could MAYBE shape up to be a good year…i hope.. :/
by Parkinglotninja on Apr 19, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
we sure dug ourselves a big hole though
let’s just see where we’re at after the 12 games with the Yankees and Red Sox.
Outs in baseball are like lives in Mario.
I actually think we'll be okay
going through a crucible like the one this team just endured can actually have good long-term effects.
There’s no reason to be intimidated by the bigger teams when you had a 9-game losing streak against weaker competition.
To me the next 3 days are crucial. Play the M’s competitively (close games, win at least one of them), and I like their chances for the tough stretch, especially against the Sox who are in their own turmoil right now. But if we suck against the Mariners (get swept and/or make mental mistakes again), the next 12 could be brutal.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
the next 12 could be brutal. WILL BE
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 19, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn messed up sorry but i think the next 12 no matter wat will be brutal
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 19, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh, there are no definites in baseball
the O’s could get swept in Seattle and then sweep Boston. It’s been known to happen (maybe not with the Orioles, but still).
Dave Cameron mentioned that the M’s have 15 baserunning outs on the season so far, so it isn’t like we’re going up against the Yankees right now, so this seems like a good chance to regroup.
Of course, if Bergesen bombs again then who knows?
Outs in baseball are like lives in Mario.
True maybe we could sweep Boston but i dont think we could sweep both its either one or the other.
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 19, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah, 22 CGs
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
Could you imagine how awesome that would be?
This series is taking years off of my life.
by Knubles and Bits on Apr 19, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
What’s so hard about “Birdland?”
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
All the Sun guys seem to love "Orioles Nation"
I have no idea why they can’t just get behind “Birdland”.
I'm ready for a straight jacket. - Joe Angel, 4/17/10 (O's record: 1-11)
by Eat More Esskay on Apr 19, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
stacey posted a comment over there.
as did I.
I encourage others to do so as well. I’d love for it to become a story so that the issue can be addressed, so that they can run a stupid poll or something and their readers can tell them to STOP IT.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
zk can take nine game losing streaks like it ain't no thing...
…but God help the columnist who, at the end of said losing streak, refers to “Orioles Nation”.
Is there even one person who would proudly proclaim themselves to be a member of “Orioles Nation”? I wonder if I would want to punch that person in the face.
I'm ready for a straight jacket. - Joe Angel, 4/17/10 (O's record: 1-11)
by Eat More Esskay on Apr 19, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Next time someone at the Sun uses the term
Remind them that Red Sox and Steelers fans have actually gone back and forth at each other over who first used the term “Nation”. Those are two fan bases you just don’t want any association with. Besides, we get enough bullshit marketing from MBA types. No need to buy into one of the stupidest yet.
+1
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 19, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Stacey, you get some sort of email virus or something?
I just got 3 emails from you at the same time, and they looked a little sketchy.
yeah, someone has hacked her account.
I just texted her about it.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
i just got one was bout Viagra in Canada
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 19, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Got it too... some link to accvcommunications or something.
I was dumb enough to click it….
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 19, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
aye me too
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 19, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
but was my shitty account on gmail just changed everything though
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 19, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I got that too
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
by NewYorkOriole on Apr 19, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I got one
Adam Lauderbach rules!, was the subject, deleted as soon as I saw it.
In one game as a freshman at Miami, Wieters hit a two-run homer in the top of the ninth to put the Yellow Jackets ahead, then pitched the bottom of the ninth for the save. On that day, the God nickname was bestowed. - Sports Illustrated
Unofficial Leader of the Brain Matusz For ROY Campaign
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Apr 19, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm
Vanek will be missed, but I don’t know if he’ll be missed that much. Also, Boston had one of the worst home records during the regular season.
Maybe Vegas just saw that Buffalo allowed 5 goals (1 empty netter) vs. the worst offense in the league and assumed they’re falling apart.
by kramertoneman on Apr 19, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
thats what i'm thinking
i bet on buffalo. losing vanek is going to hurt, but i think ryan miller and the defense recovers.
by twistedlogic on Apr 19, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
check out the FP
duck saw a quote from Cal Ripken at WNST.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Yes everyone I am sorry about the emails wanting you to buy viagra!
I think it’s all taken care of now.
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
don’t be such a baby, kba26
HARDEN THE FUCK UP.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Apr 19, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought that was what all the spam was about…
by kba26 on Apr 19, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
zing!
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
wouldn't that be an up arrow
This is the bestest picture of all the internets! http://bit.ly/aHdCBQ
by birdman on Apr 19, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i see what you did there
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
With an emphasis on the betting lines, because that’s all that matters, right?
you DID link to a site called “thespread.com”
As much time as CC users spend on centsports
I figured it was needed.
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
OH SWEET
PHN is losing to the Rays 8-0 in the fifth inning in the annual Patriot’s Day game!
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
make that the 4th. top of the 4th! even better.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
that whole
“focus on run prevention” seems to be faltering just a bit…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I'm having a nice stroll through the comments at OTM
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
The Rays are ridiculous
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
Yeah, he seems to be heating up... big day for him yesterday.
We don’t have to play TB until after the All-Star game, apparently, so I’m hoping Pat’s about to go on one of his crazy hot streaks.
Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.
Don't want to jinx it, but...
Bartlett’s a homer from the cycle.
Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.
Well i just got a lot less excited about this game
realized i had lackey starting today for one of my fantasy teams
see, and I got MORE excited
I love the fact that it’s Lackey, the high-priced offseason cherry-picked acquisition, that shit the bed in Fenway on Patriots Day. It’s the icing on the cake.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
It's Patriots' Day here in MA
A trumped up holiday (I guess Baltimore should have a similar Star-Spangled Banner for the War of 1812).
The Red Sox score is flashed all along the Marathon route for the runners. Looks like the Rays are making a fine day of it. They are sweeping the competition Red Sox, and the “Nation” is not happy.
It’s the curse of trying to emulate the late 60’s early 70’;s Orioles with this ‘defense and run prevention". They forgot to look up the fact that the O’s had a great defense, but they also led the league, or were in the top three, in both OPS and OPS+ all those years.
For the runners?
I didn’t know Kenya was in Red Sox Nation.
Outs in baseball are like lives in Mario.
Oooh, nicely done
even if I am a fan of the guy. That, at least, was a creative illustration of a not-so-original idea.
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
It was just a joke, no political statement intended
I would hate to get grouped in with those crazy people.
And a darn good joke it was
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
Maryland does have Defender's Day - September 12 - but it's fallen out of style
I'm ready for a straight jacket. - Joe Angel, 4/17/10 (O's record: 1-11)
by Eat More Esskay on Apr 19, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
FYI, the 'competition' strikethrough is a reference to this.
http://www.overthemonster.com/2010/4/18/1429229/game-12-rays-red-sox-april-18-2010#storyjump
Looks like they aren’t much competition either for the mighty Rays (and Matt Garza).
awesome
If we have some success against them in this upcoming series, I predict that catching on in posts like a houseafire.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
some success against them
Well, I’m not going that far. I just thought it was funny to see them sort of discount Garza for his success against the O’s. Guess he showed them.
Millwood’s ERA is under 3 and he is 0-2.
Matusz’s ERA is over 4 (yes misleading) and he is 2-0.
Got to get the bats workin’ for everyone.
Wiggy for MVP
Wiggy is crushing the ball.
I’m happy for him.
This series is taking years off of my life.
by Knubles and Bits on Apr 19, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
More Red Sox schaudenfreude
Purely anecdotal, raging with frustration observation: The Sox were rolling like thunder last July and have never really looked good since that night they walked off the field in Baltimore with 2 outs, and then blew a 10-1 lead.
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showtopic=55616&st=600
Even atheists believe in Matt Wieters
i think we can just go ahead and thats what happened
by twistedlogic on Apr 19, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The Curse of Birdland
I like it.
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
by Stacey on Apr 19, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Beautiful. And rec'd.
This series is taking years off of my life.
by Knubles and Bits on Apr 19, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Give Wiggy a full time job
Ty has never gotten an opportunity to play every day for an entire season, since 2003. This is a guy who hit 23 HR’s in 2008 on only 386 AB’s. I know past performance never equals future totals, but given the chance, with 500 AB’s he could hit over 30 HR’s. Isn’t that what the Orioles are missing, that big power bat? And its not like the guy can’t play a position, he can play three, 1st, 3rd, and 2nd. I’m sure he could also play RF or LF which he has in the past. I keep hearing talk of bringing in a guy like Carlos Pena, but if you look at some of the numbers you can see Wigginton had a better AVG and OPS in 2008. Give this guy a full time position and lets see what he can do. If he does good, you can trade him or keep him, and if he does bad, well its not like we were going to win this year anyways.
I'd much rather see him out there
every day than Luke Scott or Atkins…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
2008 was a career year for Ty, just like 2008 was the wrong kind of career year for Pena. Pena offers great defense as well. Pena’s real good, however Ty isn’t terrible, i never really loved his signing but didnt mind it because he is solid. Although i dont get the hatred for him, its not like hes fatkins or anything.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 19, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Eric Gagne retired today.
Not sure if anyone cares, but after looking back at his numbers from the year he won the Cy Young he was absolutely dominant that year.
This series is taking years off of my life.
by Knubles and Bits on Apr 19, 2010 3:59 PM EDT reply actions
Was he the last relief pitcher to win Cy?
In one game as a freshman at Miami, Wieters hit a two-run homer in the top of the ninth to put the Yellow Jackets ahead, then pitched the bottom of the ninth for the save. On that day, the God nickname was bestowed. - Sports Illustrated
Unofficial Leader of the Brain Matusz For ROY Campaign
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Apr 19, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes he was. One of only nine all-time.
Gagne’s run of dominant closing for the Dodgers resulted in a 1.79 ERA, 13.3 K/9, and 152 saves over 2002-04, spanning 247 innings. Each of those years, he made the All-Star team and received Cy Young and MVP votes. He won the Cy Young in ’03, saving 55 games with a 1.20 ERA and 137 strikeouts in 82.3 innings.
This series is taking years off of my life.
by Knubles and Bits on Apr 19, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Player A vs. Player B
(Based on the stats so far)
Player A:
- 4 HR’s
- 10 RBI’s
- 1.033 OPS
Player B:
- 1 HR
- 6 RBI’s
- .495 OPS
Player A is Wiggy, Player B is Mark Teixeira.
In one game as a freshman at Miami, Wieters hit a two-run homer in the top of the ninth to put the Yellow Jackets ahead, then pitched the bottom of the ninth for the save. On that day, the God nickname was bestowed. - Sports Illustrated
Unofficial Leader of the Brain Matusz For ROY Campaign
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Apr 19, 2010 5:23 PM EDT reply actions
the rays are a fucking good team
This is the bestest picture of all the internets! http://bit.ly/aHdCBQ
Luke at 1st today
Lou in LF, Reimold at DH, Wiggs at 3rd.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
DEAL WITH IT!
"I do think the O’s have sucked balls this season. If that displeases you Luke, then oh well."-birdman
Lugo or Turner at 2B?
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
Sorry
Here’s the whole thing:
1.Jones CF 2.Wigginton 3B 3.Markakis RF 4.Reimold DH 5.Weiters C 6.Scott 1b 7.Montanez LF 8.Lugo 2b 9.Izturis SS. Bergesen SP
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
That one game winning streak was nice while it lasted
I'm ready for a straight jacket. - Joe Angel, 4/17/10 (O's record: 1-11)
by Eat More Esskay on Apr 19, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Who knows?
I’m not completely embarrased by 2/3rds of our lineup.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
Yes
as I said, I am not completely embarrased by 2/3rds of it. I AM completely embarrased by the other 1/3rd though.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
haha yeah I was just emphasizing how bad the back end is.
Who knows though maybe Lou can convince me that he can hit…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Weiters
Tsk, Tsk.
In one game as a freshman at Miami, Wieters hit a two-run homer in the top of the ninth to put the Yellow Jackets ahead, then pitched the bottom of the ninth for the save. On that day, the God nickname was bestowed. - Sports Illustrated
Unofficial Leader of the Brain Matusz For ROY Campaign
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Apr 19, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't catch that
It’s from rotoinfo.com. Don’t blame me.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
According to ESPN's power rankings
we are the worst team in baseball. Woo!
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
that game had better not end 1-0
i bet on the cubs
by twistedlogic on Apr 19, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
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