Bergesen sent to Triple-A
Roch, after receiving a text from Bergesen, has said that he's been sent down to Triple-A.
No word on who takes 3E's place in the rotation, but I'm hoping they sent Arrieta up for his first taste and keep Jason Berken in long relief, where he's thriving.
EDIT BY DUCK: No dice, it's Alberto Castillo. More from Dr Orpheus after the jump.
It was clear that Bergesen had lost his feeling for his sinker and needed to right himself somehow. It was going to be either the disabled list or a trip to the farm until he can figure out his arm angle (that's what he's said is the problem). And with options available, heck, why not? The strange thing has been that the rotation has been solid even with Bergesen as the exception. Kevin Millwood, Jeremy Guthrie, and Brian Matusz have pitched extremely well and Hernandez has done well enough to stay in the 5 spot, but it makes me wonder if this Orioles team has somehow stepped into a Twilight Zone scenario.
Consider if you will that during Spring Training many of us were wondering if Millwood could pitch anywhere near as well as he did last season, whether Guthrie would be traded by June or sooner, and why Bergesen wasn't put at the top of the rotation as the most consistent pitcher last season. Turns out, we were all wrong (most of us). And if only it stopped there.
Adam Jones looked great in Florida this spring. He seemed to be healthy and hitting the ball well, but now, 11 games in, and he can't hit the ball with the same authority we all expected. This is the same with Matt Wieters, Nolan Reimold, Luke Scott, and Miguel Tejada; Nick Markakis being the only guy who seems to be doing much and that's come in the form of walks. Heck, even Garrett Atkins, a guy most of us still bemoan, has been collecting the extra base hits (yeah, no homers yet).
And then there's Ty Wigginton. How wrong we all were in thinking he was expendable with Tejada and Atkins coming in. He's been the most consistent hitter so far, driving in runs and hitting the ball into the stands more than anyone else.
Maybe I'm just rambling here, maybe it's the injuries, or maybe we all need to stop worrying about a team that isn't expected to "compete" until next season, but that doesn't stop the frustration welling up by the fifth inning and Orioles hitters making #3 or 4 starters look like aces.
Here's hoping they step through to the other side of the Twilight Zone and Bergesen comes back soon with his sinker working, Gonzalez's shoulder and velocity return, and Roberts and Pie return to the line-up and act as the catalysts this team desperately needs. Because we're apparently hanging our hats on two guys.
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While I don't have the technical knowledge as many of the posters here,
I had a strange feeling last season was a fluke for Bergesen. And I know I’m not the only one who felt that way. Certainly I hope that’s not the case, and maybe he’s able to turn it around in Norfolk, but he may be desined for a career in the pen as a best case scenario.
Now if Wiggy could just start playing defense like he did in ST…
He had a long stretch of quality starts (7)
That even Guthrie didn’t do in 2008.
He seemed consistent, worked fast, and was confident. He may not be *that good but, I’m positive he isn’t as bad as he has looked this season. Dude was PISSED last night like he couldn’t wait to fuck up the clubhouse.
Berken looks good, and he battled last season. I’d rather see him get some starts than call up Arrietta or Tillman. Berken has got most of his innings relieving Bergesen (8 out of 12 IP) after Bergesen pitches himself out of the game. Lets see if Berken can win some of those games for now. I don’t want to sound like Rosana, but I think Jason Berken is pretty level-headed, good head on shoulders kind of guy. Probably a good teammate, etc.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Apr 20, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you leave Berken right where he is
If you move him, you create TWO potential problems – a hole in your bullpen and no guarantee he succeeds for 6 or 7 IP a night. Leave him where he is and let him stay successful there. And we don’t need to make a decision for almost a week.
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
I understand that completely, and probably support it.
It depends on how Bergesen/Tillman progress in the minors. If neither of them look like they should be called up, and we’re looking for more of a long term solution, I’m vouching for Berken getting the first shot.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Apr 20, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Starting and relieving are different
I’m not at all confident that Berken’s success in long relief would carry over. And I am concerned about screwing with one of the few bright spots on this team thus far. So I’d rather see Arrieta come up thatn move Berken into the rotation. Although it would appear that the powers that be (having brought Castillo up) don’t see it that way.
by fishoutawata on Apr 20, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Big difference when you have to see a lineup 3 times
I’m with you, leave Berken where he is.
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
Yeah, this is the problem.
I really like Berken (good attitude, etc.), and in theory, I’d be okay with them giving him another shot at starting. But it’s facing a lineup more than once that seemed to really hurt him last year (though looking at his splits on B-R, he had some major first-inning troubles, too).
As much as it seems like a waste to have someone doing so well stay at long relief, I’d rather him be a very good long reliever than a below-average starter (see Hendrickson, Mark). Plus, his success so far this year has got to be helping his confidence, and after last year, I don’t think we want to impair that process.
I’m just a bit concerned that it’s way too soon to call up Arrieta:
- 18 IP in 3 starts? Good for April.
- 11 H in 18 IP? Dang, nice. Of course, small sample size, could be lucky, etc.
- 12 SO in 18 IP? Eh… K/9 of 6 in the majors isn’t great; in AAA it isn’t very good at all.
- 9 BB in 18 IP? Bad. Bad bad bad.
And if they don’t call Arrieta or Tillman up (and the latter is struggling too much to really be in the conversation), then I don’t know what they’re going to do, unless they do indeed give Berken a shot.
Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.
Maybe Patton
I dont know how hes doing though. Tillman just turned 22 so theres no rush with him. Arrieta could probably benefit with some more time to refine his control. Erbe just got moved up to AAA and probably isn’t ready either and there is no need to rush Britton up either.
Looks like we deal with a very unexciting option instead of 3E
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 20, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Patton's not doing so well
His first game wasn’t totally awful, 5 innings I think 3 runs. His game a couple days ago he didn’t make it out of the first, gave up 7 runs I think. I’m too lazy to look it up right now.
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
isn't there some filler we could get somewhere?
to avoid rushing Patton, Tillman, Arrieta up when they aren’t ready? I think I’d rather see Hendo start for a month than rush any of those guys up to help a 2-12 team. There’s just no point risking their development.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
The current list of FA SPs, from MLBTR:
Starting pitchers
Brandon Backe (32)
Cha Seung Baek (30)
Paul Byrd (39)
Daniel Cabrera (29)
Bartolo Colon (37)
Adam Eaton (32)
Mike Hampton (37)
Braden Looper (35) – Type B, not offered arb
Noah Lowry (29)
Pedro Martinez (38)
Eric Milton (34)
Odalis Perez (33)
Mark Prior (29)
Jason Schmidt (37)
John Smoltz (43)
Jarrod Washburn (35)
I know! We should sign Pedro!
Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.
I'd rather take a chance on some of those scrubs
than screw with our young guys’ development. Not sure which of those scrubs I’d vote for though…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Honestly
Byrd and Colon are probably the best ones on that list and they’re both old as the hills. And I don’t know that I could stand to look at Bartolo Colon’s face on a regular basis.
Well Pedro is probably the best but he wouldn’t come here as a fill in.
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
I mean do we care about old though?
I’d be just find with a seat warmer who puts up a 5 ERA for 1-3 months until somebody gets their shit together at AAA.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Dont we have one of those though?
I mean, a guy like Simon might be able to put up a 5.00 ERA. I’m not sure we’d have to sign someone to get a shitty place holder.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
Yep
He’s with Norfolk. He’s thrown 9 innings (7 as a starter, 2 in relief) over 2 games. 2 earned runs, 2 walks, 9 hits, 8 K’s.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
didn't we already sign him once? :)
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
that's quite a list
I’m fairly certain Berken or Hendo could equal that list.
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
And it's not like any of them could be ready in 2 weeks.
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
that's probably true
although I would think that anybody who’s actively looking for a contract could be ready pretty quick no?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Daniel Cabrera
I don’t see any downside at all to this.
by BrianS on Apr 20, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Daniel Cabrera
Brian S:
Really? You don’t see ANY downside to this?
Were you paying attention from 2004-2008?
Can you really sit through more of that?
Kenny from Pikesville
http://oriolesshallreturn.blogspot.com
REPLY FAIL
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
Also another OsFan to get confused with. fail.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
I just would like to say that Livan Hernandez, my offseason poster boy, is
2-0, no earned runs over 16 innings. Bow down.
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I'm all right with it being Alberto Castillo
He has experience as a closer and adds a lefty to the bullpen. I guess that means Berken takes the rotation spot if Begesen isn’t read on May 1st.

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