Wednesday Bird Droppings
by duck on Apr 21, 2010 6:58 AM EDT
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Orioles Insider: Just offensive
"The Orioles entered tonight with the fewest runs in the American League. They were also 16-for-100 (.160) with runners in scoring position, and they are 0-for-7 already tonight." -duck
Hernandez deserved better - MASNsports.com
"Could someone remind Julio Lugo that it's 90 feet from home plate to first base? it looked like he might have become confused and slowed up after nine. If manager Dave Trembley wanted to send a message to his players tonight, he had an opportunity right there. Run out every ground ball or keep going directly into the clubhouse. " In case you wondered why some of us want Julio Lugo gone, there's your answer. -duck
Post-game notes - MASNsports.com
"One night after being held to a season-low five hits, tonight the Orioles picked up just four hits in a 3-1 loss to Seattle. The Orioles have scored just three runs with nine hits in the two games of this series. The team average is .143 in those two contests." There's your bright ray of sunshine for this morning. -duck
Bergy's back in Baltimore - MASNsports.com
"Obviously, I haven't been pitching well, so I knew I needed to turn it around or that was inevitable. But I was surprised by it coming so quickly," Brad Bergesen told Roch Kubatko. Well, go get yourself right and you'll be back up soon. -duck
Two quick injury updates - MASNsports.com -
"Brian Roberts has been cleared to begin light exercises and strengthening activities, and he'll be examined again on Friday by back specialist Dr. Lee Riley at Johns Hopkins." Koji Uehara is scheduled to throw 1 inning in extended spring training as well. -duck
Gonzalez visits Andrews for shoulder exam | orioles.com: News
"There's some wear and tear, and some fraying in there, but it's something they think I can throw through," said Mike Gonzalez, who doesn't expect to pick up a baseball for the next 7-10 days so the inflammation in his shoulder can go down." He just doesn't get it, does he? -duck
Orioles Insider: Little rest for Wieters
Matt Wieters has had one day off from catching. Hope he enjoyed it. He won't be getting many. -duck
Orioles Insider: Minor league game recaps - April 20
"The Triple-A Norfolk Tides were edged by the Gwinnett Braves, and the Double-A Bowie Baysox were handed another loss by the Erie SeaWolves. The Single-A Frederick Keys topped the Potomac Nationals, and the Single-A Delmarva Shorebirds picked up another exciting win over the Greensboro Grasshoppers." -duck
Matt Hobgood talks about his start - MASNsports.com
"Delmarva Shorebirds right-hander Matt Hobgood is getting better with each start." And he talks about it with Steve Melewski. -duck
MLB: Rays' Maddon Can Wear Hoodie -- MLB FanHouse
"Hoodie-gate is over," Joe Maddon said. "I received a call today saying cooler heads had prevailed. I'm now able to wear the hoodie any time I'd like." That was a pretty quick reversal by the league office. -duck
Get ready for a media firestorm over the timing of the Edinson Volquez suspension - HardballTalk
Edison Volquez is getting suspended for 50 games he never would have had a chance to play in anyway. -duck
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I am to the point that I understand Lugo not running out the groung ball. I can’t be upset about the things I know are going to happen. I cannot accept Trembly not even knowing about it. BOTH of them, Lugo and Trembly, need to be gone by the next home game.
John S West Jr
by Adam double bubble on Apr 21, 2010 7:23 AM EDT reply actions
7.0 IP, 0 ER last night
Yeah, he’s proving a lot of people (like me) wrong.
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
So...
I’m still waiting for the front office to cut Trembley loose. Sorry, Dave. Never been a fan and your time has come.
Trembley
your time has come.
so so true
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
You got any replacements in mind?
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 21, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I wasnt paying attention.
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 21, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Could someone remind Julio Lugo that it’s 90 feet from home plate to first base?
it looked like he might have become confused and slowed up after nine.
Maybe lugo needs glasses
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
that too
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 21, 2010 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions
And another thing....
We are on the precipice of looking back at this 2-13 and say " I wish we could play that well again"
We play against “King Felix” tonight, then 12 games against Boston and NY, then 3 against the Twins. I hope we go 3-13, but I don’t see it happening.
Is the a team in more need of 6 easy wins than Boston right now?
And the most frustrating part is it appears as this Oriole team DOESN’T CARE
John S West Jr
by Adam double bubble on Apr 21, 2010 7:48 AM EDT reply actions
Oriole team DOESN’T CARE
well maybe some do but Lugo and some other just look like they are going to some office job instead of playing the best sports game in history.
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 21, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions
can we let this settle once and for all....
…. that “team chemistry” DOES make a difference?
Every offseason, when trades are brought up, there is a discussion about how “that guy won’t be good for team chemistry”. And then someone says some bullshit like, “team chemistry is unimportant. show me where it shows up in the win/loss columns.”
Lugo not running to first is a prime example. You think Adam Jones doesn’t see that and ask himself, “well, why am I going to hustle then?” I’m not trying to pin anyting on AJ—it could be almost any of them (even B-Rob and Miggy, who are already known culprits).
IN a losing streak like this, it’s crucial that guys go out and give 100% to turn it around. One day it’s Lugo lolling down to first. The next it’s Atkins and Wiggy. The next, it’s half the team.
And yes, Trembley should have benched him on the spot. That he didn’t is a perfectly good reason to fire Trembley.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
I don't think there is any chance we are going to ever settle this once and for all
But I agree, I do think team chemistry does make a difference, it’s just impossible to quantify so a lot of stat guys dismiss it as non-existant.
Although, I think team chemistry takes a back seat to team quality; which this team has even less of.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Apr 21, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
Didn’t AJ say he was gonna “kick some butts” that needed kicking? Hey AJ, here’s your chance, buddy.
Kind of hard for AJ to get all high and mighty with a guy like Lugo when a) he’s playing like total shit, and b) he’s not exactly been busting his ass all over the field either.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
That's why this is primarily the job of the manager
because players are often in no position to push people around.
by fishoutawata on Apr 21, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Reply fail
weird shit happening to my posts today.
by fishoutawata on Apr 21, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Kennedy is pretty old
and has been on the court for a long time, i.e. since before email, therefore has had very little need for such things. I’d be a lot more surprised at a youngish guy like Roberts who’s been out there a bit more. Still, I know which of them I’m more comfortable with on the court…
by fishoutawata on Apr 21, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
EPIC REPLY FAIL
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Does anyone
really consider winning a possibility if Millwood/Matusz aren’t on the mound? Adam Jones couldn’t look worse with a bat in his hand. Maybe he should have trained to become and All-Star and GG winner like last year instead of training to win a WS (worst timing for that comercial, ever).
Hey NOW!!! Don't sleep on my MAIN MAN GUTS...
He has been my favorite guy on the team for over 3 years now and has turned in three straight strong outings to start the year.
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Only 1 so far this year...
compared to 14 Ks and only 3 BBs and a WHIP of 1.25.
The guy has been a consumate professional with this team and you can never question his desire. He has pretty much been the lowest paid player of the team for the last 3 years, and even when the Os gave him that shoddy paycut, never had a negative word to say. If only more players on the team had his demeanor. I can forgive 1 bad season sandwiched in between 3 really good seasons (assuming he continues his performance this year).
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions
As a charter member of teh "GUts is gon by May" club in ST
Guts has been an extremely pleasant surprise this season. He’s done much better than he gave any indication during ST.
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
Wow, my typing is as bad as this team's record
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
You now, I'm just worn down by the losing
and I’m just gonna jog to frist on eevery groundball. My contract;’s guartanteed, anywy
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
by duck on Apr 21, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How much you get paid? A quarter mil?
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 21, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Thy O's are payin me $400 large
and teh Red Sox areon the hook for large cash. I get paid, son, I get paid.
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
We all are...
I remember going through a stretch last year when I bet the OVER in every Os game because the starting pitching was dreadful, the bullpen was terrible and we were putting up alot of runs. Now its almost the opposite. The starting pitching has been good, the bullpen hasn’t been terrible (overall… aside from the blown saves), but the offense is the worst ever. If Wiggy doesn’t do something, we don’t score.
I wonder how many of our runs this year have involved Wiggington. 50%?
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Well...
8 runs scored, 11 RBI, and account for 5 HR which show up in both columns (he scored a run he drove in), and he’s been a part of 14 runs. The team has scored 45.
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
Wow
You know its not a good sign for the team when Wiggy is involved in 1/3rd of the runs scored.
But GO WIGGY!!! He is my hero this season. Who’d of thought…
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Guts, and even Hernandez
have been giving us a fair shot at a W pretty consistently, too, if only there was any kind of run support. If you want to shit on a starter, there’s Bergy (who doesn’t deserve it because, well, because he’s a good guy), and, of course Mister Mystery Starter (Berken? Albers?!? HENDO, God help us?!?!?)
by fishoutawata on Apr 21, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions
It's the offense that's the problem. Not the starters (other than Bergy).
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
So what is the consensus on the board
about what to do with the 5th starter near-term? I’ve heard Berken, Hendo, Arrieta, Berken/Hendo, Hobgood (although Im fairly certain that was a joke), and Tillman.
I would probably go with Hendo over any others since Berken has been looking lights out in the pen and he was constantly shitty as a starter. Not that Hendo was a whole lot better, but it seems like we can get more out of him in that role. Tillman certainly doesnt appear to be ready, and bringing Arrieta up this early seems like a terrible move.
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 8:12 AM EDT reply actions
I’d go Hendo. He’s looked good and he’s not a prospect that they can ruin. Berken may be a fringe prospect, but let’s keep him where he’s been successful.
No reason to rush Arrieta, unless he can hit with RISP.
There are two possibilities in my mind
1) Bergesen rights himself but quick and comes back up. For whatever reason, I see this as somewhat unlikely.
2) Give the ball to Berken. He’s pitching his ass off, but he’s doing it in the least important role possible. It would behoove the Orioles to see if the lack of leverage is helping him, or simply being in the bullpen is helping him, or if he can be a contributing member of society as a starter now.
Outs in baseball are like lives in Mario.
I'm torn
Definitely don’t want to rush Arrieta or Tillman (or any other prospect that’s more of a stretch. I would love to see if Berken can be a good starter again, but I also agree with the argument that you don’t screw with what’s working.
I wouldn’t be opposed to them just having Simon start a few games to give Bergesen a few more starts to try to figure it out or give Tillman/Arrieta time to take a few steps forward. I guess Hendo wouldn’t be the end of the world either, but he’s been pitching pretty well in relief and really sucks as a starter too…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
"Don't screw with what's working"
I don’t have a problem torpedoing that argument. Berken has been admittedly very good – as the mop-up guy. As good as he’s been, it’s been in low-leverage situations. He’s accumulated just 0.12 WPA, and 0.088 of that came in his first game replacing Hernandez with the Orioles down 2-0 against Dana Eveland. The risk of losing the mop-up guy who hasn’t actually contributed to any wins yet (despite his strong pitching) is such a low one that it really shouldn’t be the basis for making a decision of who should replace Bergy when his turn comes back around.
Outs in baseball are like lives in Mario.
Right - that's the point.
He’s pitching well in low-leverage situations so why put him in situations where he’s likely to do much worse? Isn’t that just setting yourself up for failure (you know the kind of failure we saw him have every start last year)?
And to say that he hasn’t actually contributed is pretty laughable. Innings need to be pitched regardless of the game situation. He’s saved a shitload of arms and pitches for guys who pitch in higher leverage situations and kept us in games that if we had any kind of offense could have been competitive because of him.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Wow... even ESPN writing about the Os blow
“Vargas didn’t throw a pitch faster than 88 mph, yet he retired 19 of 23 batters after Baltimore took a 1-0 lead on Nick Markakis’ double in the first inning.”
uhhh….. yeah…. that was Reimold
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 8:24 AM EDT reply actions
Jim and Gary
Last night these two brought up some of the exact points that were argued here yesterday concerning Lugo: Why play Lugo, when you have a young Turner on the bench, who could possibly be in the long terms plans of the team as a backup/utility player?
Also, when the camera panned the O’s dugout, everyone just looked dead. No one seemed like they had any life to them, or desire to even be there. I haven’t jumped on the “Fire Trembley” train, but that kind of losing culture and attitude has to reflect on the coach and his staff.
You've seen it time and time again
regardless of the current coaching staff’s credentials, putting a new face in charge during times like these seems to work. This team will never win with Trembley, book it.
What? No it doesn't.
Canning the manager doesn’t “seem to work”. Fuck, Frank Robinson came in and still lost the next billion games (or whatever).
Again: if you want to fire Trembley because the team can’t hit with RISP, then you’re being stupid. If you want to fire Trembley because his lineups, bullpen usage, and strategies aren’t to your liking, then be my guest. Unfortunately I’ve heard far too much of the former and hardly any of the latter in regards to this particular situation. Scapegoating the manager isn’t going to help this team. It’s just going to make a bunch of us feel a little better until Jeff Datz – a man with no managerial experience – comes in and is the exact same kind of manager. And the team will keep losing until the offensive luck changes.
That has nothing to do with Trembley. Fuck, people. This conversation has been whipped so hard, you can’t even recognize the horse’s carcass anymore.
Outs in baseball are like lives in Mario.
I've never been someone
to scream “FIRE HIM”
Obviously the “fire Trembley” crowd can point to a few high profile instances where a change in manager really did have a huge difference (The Rockies and Jim Tracy come to mind) and those in the opposite camp can point to every Orioles manager since Johnson.
I’m starting to think there needs to be a change in authority. The players we have are not this bad. I don’t know everything (anything) that goes on in a major league clubhouse but this one isn’t working. Trembley always talks about discipline and fundamentals but these are things that I’m not seeing out on the field.
It can’t get any worse. Jeff Datz probably comes in and we go 2-13 under him and we’re even more miserable but maybe we do get someone who can make Adam Jones catch the ball with two hands or make Lugo actually run to first. Someone needs to make people pay for fucking up and it just doesn’t look like Trembley gives a damn about his talking points of discipline and fundamentals.
cxcxcxcxzzzzzzzzz
by Steve. on Apr 21, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Of course it has something to do with Trembley
If the entire team sucks this bad for THIS long, eventually you have to ask about what their game prep is like, what they’re doing in between games.
It’s not just their batting averages—their fundamentals have been god-awful.
I’ve never been in the “fire Trembley” camp—ever. But if Julio Lugo dogs it down to firs, he should be benched. Players who continue to swing at the first pitch against erratic pitchers in tight games should be benched. And if Trembley doens’t bench them, then you find someone who will.
A manager does a lot more than write out the lineup. He sets the tone. Trembley ahs reacted to this entire fiasco by saying, “well, we’ll get ’em tomorrow” And then they don’t. It’s fine to be patient for a week or two. We’re well past that point.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
If the entire team sucks this bad for THIS long, eventually you have to ask about what their game prep is like, what they’re doing in between games.
Yeah, this is what I get concerned about. When you don’t hear anything about extra practice, or mixing it up to focus on different things, or anything like that, you really start to wonder if they’re doing anything at all.
Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.
But if Julio Lugo dogs it down to firs, he should be benched. Players who continue to swing at the first pitch against erratic pitchers in tight games should be benched. And if Trembley doens’t bench them, then you find someone who will.
Well fucking said.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I'm starting to want him fired
because of the total lack of accountability or discipline on the team. The only person he’s ever willing to put his foot down with it seems like is Pie which is retarded.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
It just pisses me off
I like DT (not his in-game strategy in any way, but he seems like a pretty good leader – no idea why I think that…) and that was a chance for him to show that shit like that is not going to be tolerated and send a message, but he just sat there on his ass. Hard to figure.
And I’d have absolutely no issue with firing the entire coaching staff. They all seem worthless.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Yeah he's probably the one I have the least problem with.
Although I have no clue whether the starters’ success has anything to do with him.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
least problem?
the starters have been solid. that’s his job. he’s obviously not hurting the team – unlike some people in the dugout I could name.
Well
the bullpen has been pretty shaky no? That’s his area too. But my main point is I just have no idea whether the starters are succeeding because of him or despite him.
But you’re right he’s not obviously hurting the team unlike the Crow and Windmill.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Ok, I'm convinced. Release Lugo
I don’t even care who replaces him. Hell, the Orioles would be better off with a 24 man roster. Addition by subtraction!!!! They signed this jerk to fill in for Roberts, but he can’t hit, can’t steal bases and doesn’t show anything “special” in the field. Now he doesn’t run hard to 1B? GONE!!!!! We don’t need that kind of garbage around the young players. Please release his ass now. In fact, sign Kevin Millar to replace him. That would liven up the whole team.
I would give my left nut to have a guy like Millar back around this clubhouse
It has NO personality, NO fight, NO competitiveness.
Its pathetic to watch the apathy these guys lose with. Get pissed off… call people out.
Kick an effin’ watercooler… something. It seemed like half the guys in the dugout last night were doing Sodokus.
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
We need a coach like Weaver.
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 21, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
That's it
That’s what bothers me most right now, that we’re losing and nobody even looks concerned, they just look like they accept it. There’s no energy or drive whatsoever.
What would you like them to do?
I’m not being snarky, I’m honestly asking. Bash in the gatorade cooler with a baseball bat? Throw an entire bucket of gum on the field? What would they have to do to make you believe they are concerned?
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
I remember when Lee Mazzilli threw a bucket of gum on the field
I don’t recall it helping us win
Outs in baseball are like lives in Mario.
he didn't have good players.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Tar and feather Julio Lugo in the clubhouse.
Or, more seriously, some of them could change their approach. I don’t think it is unreasonable for fans to expect Jones to work at working the count. Or for players to be pulled from the game when they don’t run out grounders.
I’m sure that the O’s are concerned. What is unclear is whether or not they are concerned enough to actually change themselves. If they want to persuade fans that they are concerned enough to change, we’ll see that through them actually changing.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I don’t think it is unreasonable for fans to expect Jones to work at working the count. Or for players to be pulled from the game when they don’t run out grounders.
This. I just said it above.
SOME kind of change in approach is needed. SOMEONE has to take accoutablility. Nobody is.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
I don’t usually think the manager, unless he’s really brilliant or really awful, makes a big difference.
But I’d like the next guy to be more of a personality shift from Grover to Maz to Perlozzo to Trembley was. I want a manager who will pull guys out of the lineup for stunts like Lugo or get tossed out of a game when sometimes it might not be the right call, but a situation where it fires up the team (or fans at least.)
You would LITERALLY need to light me on fire...
… to get me “fired up.”
And I’d probably thank you for it.
Its just comical at this point. Sorry for the sustained pessimism, but it just ain’t pretty. Can Trembley and make Stacey, Duck and ZK co-managers. (suck-up time). Now can I please get a “delete-my-own-comments” button?
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW
Thats CAN Trembley…. it doesnt read well.
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Anything really
I’m not advocating a Zambrano like beating of water cooler necessarily, but I’d like to see some frustration manifested in some way that’s not just sulking. They obviously don’t look happy, and I do realize they’re concerned about the team’s performance. They just seemed more stunned, which I suppose is understandable considering what we thought they had in terms of offense. Whether they need someone to yell at them, or someone to loosen them up I don’t know. It just seems to me like something is lacking in the clubhouse.
They need to start by allowing alcohol in the dugout...
That’ll loosen em up.
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t the 2004 PHN team that was down to the Yankees 0-3 do shots of jack in the clubhouse before games 4-7?
Not that I endorse anything that PHN stands for, but that seemed to have worked out pretty well.
Cowboy up....
Maybe they all need to not shave…. do something freaking fun. They are all a little robotic right now and losing will do that to you. They really need to loosen up. If you are gonna go down in flames at least do it right.
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
2 B fair
They are tired. They haven’t has a day off since opening day, and having 3 starters out sure hasn’t helped. Who wouldn’t be listless at the end of a brutal run like that.
Still, that’s why they get the big bucks (well, not Guts, but…).
by fishoutawata on Apr 21, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
I’m not that worried (can I even be worried at this point?) about going to Boston. they’re decimated with injuries and line-up issues as well. We just need to get back east asap, hopefully with a new face managing the squad.
Aye they were trying to work on their defense in the offseason guess tha didnt work out.
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 21, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
What pisses me off
We can’t even bench Jones for a game. As much as I want to.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Could put Lou out there for a game
and Luke in left.
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
We could...
…but that’s only a step or two above putting Atkins in center for a game.
I miss Jeff Fiorentino.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Get Corey Patterson's ass up here, STAT
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
Food for thought
The O’s starters ERA without Bergesen is 3.85. They are averaging 6.22 innings per game. None has lasted <5 Innings. In 12 starts they have given up 1 earned run twice, 2 ER three times, 3 ER 5 times, and 4 ER twice.
And the Orioles have two wins.
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
That is actually pretty good we would have more wins but Gonzo…………
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 21, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Meh, I'm over Gonzo
How about we’d have more wins if the offense got its act together.
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
Im over him too. im just saying that if he hadnt blown those two games we would have more wins
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 21, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd still be pretty despondent at 4-11.
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
2, tops.
He blew 2 saves in the 3 games he appeared. That’s it. He hasn’t even been with the team for more than a week. This ain’t on him, not anymore.
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
We still can
Terry Crowley
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
Someone has to say it
“Terry Crowley is lucky he’s in fucking baseball!”
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
It still started the season off with a 'shit in your mouth" taste
Who knows how different things might have been had we started 3-1.
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
at least they've been consistent
the shit in your mouth taste has yet to dissipate.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
.215
.297
.222
.171
.186
.302
.220
.115
.225
These are batting averages from last night’s lineup. That’s almost 7 automatic outs (Markakis can draw a walk)
that went in before I was ready...
I was going to add OBP for those batters. It doesn’t enhance the picture. There isn’t much the O’s can do when you have a lineup like that.
.302 was wiggintion?
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 21, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Thnx for clarification there.
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 21, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
nice to see wieters holding up his end.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Despondent
That is the word of the day season so far
It's like a whisp of cotton candy framing a paper cut ~ Bill Hicks
Monday night's game was the first time I got to see the O's.
I’m not missing much.
Could say a lot of things, but why bother. Well, there is one thing that has to be said. Julio Lugo sucks. Major League sucks. Exactly what is the purpose of a guy who can’t field and can’t hit? Even though he wasn’t credited with one, his error on the throw to catch Jack Wilson trying to stretch a single into a double opened the door for the big inning against Bergy.
Man, it’s going to be a long season.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Here's a thought
Lets let go of the anger and frustration, and turn to comedy. I suggest we have a “Julio Lugo countdown to mathimatical elimination” count. At this rate, when the few good things happen, Matusz and Weiters, we can enjoy it. And what the rest of this team plays like there gonna play, we call it “Lugo going to first”
John S West Jr
by Adam double bubble on Apr 21, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions
QUESTION
Does anyone know where to find a comprehensive source of archival video of baseball games from, specifically, the early 70s? Could be online thing, a company that sells videos of old games or what have you.
I could be wrong
but isn’t MLB the only licensed seller of mlb video? That’s why they get pulled from youtube immediately right? I’m not sure if they have historical archives anywhere though. Maybe the teams themselves do?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I'm not superstitious
but, I’ve decided not to wear my O’s hat today. They have lost every time I wore it, except the first game they won. Though, I know I have no power in how the O’s do.
by LoveForTheGame13 on Apr 21, 2010 12:16 PM EDT reply actions
so im pretty sure trembley is a drunk
how else can you justify anything that has happened so far..
1) odd lineups
2) ever changing lineups
3) playing julio lugo instead of anyone else
by Parkinglotninja on Apr 21, 2010 1:10 PM EDT reply actions
No, he's making safe moves
He’s going by the book. There’s no “obvious” move he’s made that can be used as a catalyst to fire him.
Hit and runs? It’s by the book.
Lift a starter before the winning run takes the plate? By the book.
Use the vet, not the 2nd year player, at cleanup? By the book.
Lefty-righty-lefty pitchers in the same inning? By the book.
Simple, safe strategies that are helping us lose games in predictable ways.
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
The problem is he only read half the book
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Apr 21, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont like the book on hit and runs
When he did one with huff at first and mora hitting it was the final straw for me.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 21, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a book that's fine on hit and runs.
It’s called Weaver on Strategy. Maybe Trembley should read it. Or actually listen to it, if he’s read it.
Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.
That's teh one
Learn it, Know it, Live it! …
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
I've heard
he uses it to keep one side of his desk from wobbling.
by Jonny Pops on Apr 21, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ahahaha
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
I hear he works at Goldman Sachs in the offseason too.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I could really get into these Lugo jokes, couldnt you?
Like Bizarro-Wieters Facts.com for Lugo.
Julio Lugo will be Kate Gosselins next partner on DWTS.
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahaha
Julio Lugo moonlights as Ben Roethlisberger’s body guard.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Seriously
all the geniuses they have over there – none of them work in PR??
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
They're not apologizing for anything
Because that would be an acknowledgement of wrong doing . Their PR strategy is to play dumb. Unfortunately that doesn’t fool many people when you’re a genius, as you said.
I dunno
Normally, I would agree. But if your public image gets too bad. Even a top law firm can’t help you.
So who's going replace Trembley in the next week?
Greg Maddox?
Davey Johnson?
Bobby Valentine?
A fire and brimstone guy would be good given how listless the team is playing.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
I nominate O'sFan21.
This team needs some serious chewing (cussing) out, and I can’t think of anyone more suited to the task.
Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.
Hahaha.
I’d say you two can fight it out, but I don’t think you need any encouragement. :P
Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.
But who is Millwood is the question? lol
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
haha when I'm fully mentored can I finally get my damn lunchbox?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
It wouldn’t surprise me, but they would probably wait until Sunday night or Monday.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Apr 21, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
"WHATS YOUR FAVORITE BOLTON SONG"
“Uhhh… all of em I guess”
“ALL OF EM….. thats greeeat”!
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I have go to watch this movie all the way through sometime.
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
Too busy with documentaries...
and movies that blow sh…stuff up real good.
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
And kids movies
I can check off “Diary of a Wimpy Kid” and “How to Train Your Dragon” and “Percy Jackson & The Olympians” off my to do list so far this year. All 3 weren’t bad, by the way.
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
It's a golden age
for documentaries. Truly. Digital video revolutionized documentary forever by bringing the costs down so much.
Been watching a lot of stuff on Hiroshima for my classes
The BBC did a dramatic recreation one that’s awesome. The 1995 ABC one with Peter Jennings is a thinly-veiled hit job on Truman.
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
There was a good one last year
about Stalin, Churchill & FDR with a bunch of newly released documents from the Russian archives.
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
"I take the lineup card from the dugout ... and give it to the umpires."
I deal with the god-damn umpires so the players don’t have to. I have people skills. I am good at dealing with people. Can’t you understand that? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?
I'm ready for a straight jacket. - Joe Angel, 4/17/10 (O's record: 1-11)
by Eat More Esskay on Apr 21, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
He got 4
They can say what they want, but he got 4, unless he’s the biggest moron this side of Paxico Burress. Stay out of mug shots in police departments and no benders in Mexico and it’s 4 games.
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
I'd say I'm surprised he's not in jail.
But sadly, I’m not surprised at all.
"Believe it or not, I read the paper." - Nick Markakis
I havent had a chance to read the police report (going to try to),
but this doesnt sound like a case where an athlete is walking just because he’s famous. The interview with the D.A. made it sound like he as declining to press charges begrudgingly, and only do to a lack of physical evidence.
District Attorney’s only have so limited resources available and a trial against Roethlisberger would likely be extraordinarily expensive. I think i’d feel worse if he went ahead against Roethlisberger just because had a celebrity on the hook and 3 other cases went unproperly prosecuted in Georgia because they burned through their budget trying to contain the media frenzy.
the entire incident was poorly handled by the authorities
this pretty well sums it up:
“When asked about a comment similar to ‘this f— b— is drunk’ or ’this b— is drunk off her ass accusing BEN of assaulting her,” Blash said that he did say something like that to the other Milledgeville police officers and indicated that Roethlisberger’s bodyguards may have overheard the comment," the report said.
It added, “Blash indicted (sic) that he was mad because the victim was not being ‘straight up’ with him and that pissed him off.”
Blash resigned Wednesday, Milledgeville Police Chief Woodrow Blue told CNN on Friday. He would not discuss reasons for the resignation.
Blash was photographed posing with Roethlisberger on the night of the alleged rape.
"Believe it or not, I read the paper." - Nick Markakis
Yeah, thats definitely an issue
But thats with the police department, not the DA’s office. I thought you were mostly objecting to the decision not to prosecute, which seems to be correct.
I have larger objections to pretty much every aspect of the situation
but it’s more than I’m willing to get into at this juncture or in this setting.
"Believe it or not, I read the paper." - Nick Markakis
No it's a case where an athlete
is walking because the cops totally fucked the investigation because they were too busy worshiping at his alter.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
My goodness
The offense is so moribund. Beat up on Trembley all you want, but the players who were supposed to be good just aren’t getting it done. (And by getting it done, I mean even sniffing an average performance.)
Hernandez et al give up three runs and we lose. Two leadoff doubles stranded. Adam Jones looks completely lost. The bottom of the lineup are pretty much automatic outs. Only Wiggy and Wieters are doing much of anything. Okay, it’s only been a little more than two weeks, but it’s really remarkable how bad it’s been.
Anyway. One more game today and then an off day. After this, we reset and start over. Pretend this 2-14 (or 3-13) start didn’t happen. Shrug it off.
The only offense worse than ours may be that of the Giants, whose pitching staff gave up one hit last night but still lost 1-0 to the Padres.
No real news, but Roch on Pie:
Nothing major here, but I wanted to pass along via BlackBerry that Felix Pie is flying to Sarasota tomorrow to join the rest of the crew at extended spring training.
Pie could be sidelined three months with this lat injury. It’s never good when muscle pulls away from the bone. [Vuff – Ew.]
The Orioles don’t believe that he’ll require surgery, which would increase his recovery time. The body will just have to heal on its own.
Pie has only been cleared to run. He’ll eventually begin light exercises. And we’ll continue to wait for his return.
To say Pie is disappointed would be a gross understatement.
I feel so bad for the guy; I even posted on his Facebook fan page. Of course, I have no idea if he ever actually reads anything posted on there, since I assume it’s handled by his agent or something.
Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.
Aw he has a Facebook fan page?
I know what I’m doing the second I get home.
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
how many players aren't disappointed when they get injured?
other than mike gonzalez.
by twistedlogic on Apr 21, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
did you guys see os extra the other day?
when dempsey called gonzo a liar..hahah..i heard hes really pissed about that..
by Parkinglotninja on Apr 21, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Dempsey may be right
Later tonight, I’ll try and remember to cut and paste various quotes from Gonzo about his injury. At first, he said it first hurt in teh bullpen that Tuesday game before he went on the DL. Then, it backed up a bit, then it became something he and the doctors thought he could pitch through. So, when DID you get hurt, Mike?
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
Well, yeah.
Pretty much all of them are, obviously. I just feel extra bad for Felix. Jerked around by the Cubs for years, traded to the O’s, doesn’t really fit in at first, sucks for a couple of months, works his butt off, gets another chance, finally seems like he might be putting it together, has an awesome ST, seems a lot happier and much more comfortable, wins back the job he lost… and ruptures a muscle at the start of the season.
It freaking sucks.
Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.
it totally sucks.
but felix has always had a great attitude with the O’s. And I think now that he’s had a taste of how good he can be in the bigs, he’ll bust his hump and be back. I’m looking forward to that day.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
In other shitty news:
I bet $400 on the SF Giants last night behind Jonathan Sanchez. Guy came out and threw a 1-hitter and lost the game. I was LIVID. SF even had a runner on 3rd with no outs in the 8th, and a runner on 3rd with 1 out in the 9th (that Pornstache Huff knocked over by the way).
The only hit the guy gave up was a damn single too… stole third, guy moved him over, scored on sac fly.
Luckily I had the Rockies and the Hawks in the NBA to offset it.
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 2:42 PM EDT reply actions
Millar to join MLB Network as Analyst
Cool!
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
You, of all people
should know links don’t work in a subject line
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
It worked for me
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Apr 21, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
worked for me to.
for those of you on ass-backwards computer’s like duck’s,
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
*too
shit.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
computer's
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
OMG I AM HORRIFIED
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
lol
You can always use your magical delete powers to confine the damage.
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
i was tempted.
but i have to let my warts show like everyone else.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
according to mlbtraderumors.com
we have claimed pedro viola off waivers from the reds..and sent him to norfolk
by Parkinglotninja on Apr 21, 2010 2:55 PM EDT reply actions
If anyone is interested
The next T-Shirt Tuesday will be on May 11th and the shirt is Brian Matusz.
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
Oh my god...
..in the “Sexting” case before the Supreme Court today, Chief Justice Roberts asked counsel “what’s the difference between email and a pager?”.
c'mon, context.
I’m sure it was along the lines of “how should the rules applying to a pager be different than those applying to email”, not “what are these two different things”.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
didn't seem that way from the convo
Seemed like they were legitimately confused about how texting worked and how it was different from other technologies. Here’s a snipit:
At one point, Justice Anthony Kennedy asked what would happen if a text message was sent to an officer at the same time he was sending one to someone else.
"Does it say: ‘Your call is important to us, and we will get back to you?’" Kennedy asked.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
that's kennedy
a differnt quote. doesn’t apply to roberts’ quote.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Unforunately, no.
http://lawyersusaonline.com/dcdicta/2010/04/19/technical-difficulties-at-the-supreme-court-2/
Judges fuck up technical details all the time, its really frustrating when you get to things even more complicated than text messages.
actually, yes.
i went and read the transcript. it’s exactly the kind of thing I stated above. Pretty clearly context, no matter how much people decide they don’t want it to be.
JUSTICE GINSBURG: But my question is, an
19 employee reads this policy and says, oh, my e-mails are
20 going to be subject to being monitored -
21 MR. DAMMEIER: Sure.
22 JUSTICE GINSBURG: Wouldn’t that employee
23 expect that the policy would carry over to pagers? When
24 you think of what’s the reason why they want to look at
25 the e-mails, wouldn’t the same reason apply?
1 MR. DAMMEIER: Well, I’m sure the same
2 reasons could apply but the — the city is the one who
3 writes the rules here. The — if they want to make it
4 clear on what it applies to, it certainly should be on
5 them to write them clear so the employee understands it.
6 CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: Maybe — maybe
7 everybody else knows this, but what is the difference
8 between the pager and the e-mail?
9 MR. DAMMEIER: Sure. The e-mail, looking at
10 the computer policy, that goes through the city’s
11 computer, it goes through the city’s server, it goes
12 through all the equipment that — that has — that the
13 city can easily monitor. Here the pagers are a separate
14 device that goes home with you, that travels with you,
15 that you can use on duty, off-duty.
16 CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: You can do that with
17 e-mails.
18 MR. DAMMEIER: Certainly, certainly. Butin this instance with the pagers it went
19 but in this -
20 through no city equipment, it went through Arch Wireless
21 and then was transmitted to another — another person.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
to clarify
i’m not saying the SCOTUS isn’t techinically challenged.
but this particular quote has been taken out of context and turned into a media feeding-frenzy. everyone is reprinting some else’s biased conclusions instead of going to the source as i just did.
the source makes it crystal clear that Roberts is asking how different policies apply, not asking “what is this PAGER thing you speak of?”.
And believe me, I hate Roberts as much as anyone. But I hate this kind of lazy sensationalistic journalism that is only designed to get web traffic, not to get at the truth of a matter.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
to clarify
i’m not saying the SCOTUS isn’t techinically challenged.
but this particular quote has been taken out of context and turned into a media feeding-frenzy. everyone is reprinting some else’s biased conclusions instead of going to the source as i just did.
the source makes it crystal clear that Roberts is asking how different policies apply, not asking “what is this PAGER thing you speak of?”.
And believe me, I hate Roberts as much as anyone. But I hate this kind of lazy sensationalistic journalism that is only designed to get web traffic, not to get at the truth of a matter.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Alright, i'll concede on the Roberts quote
but it sounds like there were still plenty of questions asked that really call into question the Supreme Court’s (Or most other courts, except maybe the Federal Circuit) ability to decide these cases.
I'm not convinced.
At least not by this snippet. Roberts seems to not know the difference between the two media, and nowhere does it clarify that it’s just contextual to this discussion, which is why he starts the sentence “Maybe — maybe everybody else knows this…”
Dammeier is obviously talking deeper into the actual network setups of the different media. But that does not prove Roberts knows what the fuck he’s talking about. His question makes it sound as though he’s just clueless.
go read the transcript
the entire section is on pager policy vs email policy, starting with this:
11 MR. DAMMEIER: Thank you, Mr. Chief Justice,
12 and may it please the Court:
13 I think an underlying fact that we might be
14 skipping over is — is — and both the lower courts
15 recognize this — that the computer policy that the
16 department had didn’t apply to the pagers on its own.
17 It — it only came into play after Lieutenant Duke
18 modified that policy and told people at the — at the
19 meeting that was referred to earlier that the pagers are
20 now going to be applying with — with this policy.
21 It — it -
22 JUSTICE GINSBURG: Why is — why is that so?
23 I mean, it did say associated equipment. And — and if
24 an employee is told, now e-mails aren’t private, so we
25 are warning you, we can monitor them, wouldn’t such an
1 employee expect the same thing to apply to the pager?
Justice Roberts doesn’t ask the difference between “email and a pager”, as has been widely mis-reported (and misquoted by you above). He asks about the difference between “the email and the pager”, directly following Dammeier’s discussion of which rules apply to which technologies:“the city is the one who writes the rules here. The — if they want to make it clear on what it applies to”.
It’s a real stretch to think he was asking what the difference is between the technologies instead of the rules that apply to those technologies.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
why is that a stretch?
you’re not giving me a compelling argument at all. Roberts asks:
“Maybe — maybe everybody else knows this, but what is the difference between the pager and the e-mail? "
(and yes I did misquote – by substituting “’s” for “is” and leaving out two instances of the word “the” – geeeeesh).
Why would "everybody know " which municipal rules apply to which medium, as Roberts begins his question with? “Everybody” does not know something like that. Actually that’s the case that needs to be made by counsel. What “everybody” knows is the actual difference between the email and the pager.
You lack as much context here as I do to show that. You’re assuming they’re all on the same page here in the conversation. But clearly they are not since Roberts needs to ask the above question AND qualify his lack of knowledge.
The omission of the two instances of “the” is what’s crucial. Roberts isn’t our grandparents, who say, “the Google”. If he wanted to know the difference between technologies, he would have omitted the "the"s.
The everybody, to me, is the other judges, since they all would have read the briefs leading to the case.
Look JP, it’s irrefutable that this entire section of the discussion up to that point was about the difference in department policies as they apply to different technologies. Irrefutable. I went and read the actual transcript, and provided a link for you above.
If you read the actual transcript and come away with the same conclusions you’re arguing now, then we just have to agree to disagree.
But at minimum, it is irresponsible journalism for everyone to be reporting what they’re reporting—Robert’s actual intention is debatable at best. It’s no slam dunk to represent him as the simpleton that all these media outlets are portraying him as.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
For starters
many of these news outlets have people in the court. People who are following this a lot closer than you or I. So let’s withold judgment on the reporting itself.
Second, John Roberts apparently does use the word “the” before “pager” as shown in this statement from today (which further illustrates his ignorance of the technology as well)
"What happens, just out of curiosity," Chief Justice Roberts asked, "if he is on the pager and sending a message and they are trying to reach him for, you know, a SWAT team crisis? Does the one kind of trump the other, or do they get a busy signal?"
Let’s also not forget Roberts was appointed by a President who used the term “The Google” and “The Internets”.
I’m afraid your evidence is not irrefutable Zach, not even close. You’re giving Roberts the benefit of the doubt for the sake of your argument, that he is understanding the information being presented to him, when all evidence points to the contrary.
You can disagree all you want with his positions
And if you do thats fine. But you REALLY think the guy is the total moron you are making him out to be?
Not sure if a guy who was the managing editor of the Harvard Law Review is a total idiot, but I’m sure I won’t be able to convince you of this.
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you read that quote just above?
He doesn’t know that pagers don’t have busy signals.
This does not make him a moron. But it does mean he’s technically inept. And I’m sure he would issue a Mea Culpa to this after today’s transcript.
Also, this has nothing to do with my opinions of his rulings. I just know how complicated the world of law can be and I often wonder how qualified judges can possibly be to rule in matters they know little to nothing about. It can get scary.
Im pretty techy (to a point)
And I have no idea if pagers get busy signals…
Never owned one.
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
26
Had a cellphone my junior year of high school
I wasn’t slingin’ drugs in jr. high or anything so….. I didnt really need one.
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 22, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
The "the"s are crucial to the context...
Im shocked huffington also used the same misleading QUOTES as referenced above.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/21/ontario-quon-sexting-case_n_545764.html
“Sexting Case Befuddles Supreme Court: ’What’s The Difference Between Email And A Pager?’”
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
If they are going to put it in quotations, how can they omit what they want?!?
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean slant it all you want, but that's just shoddy journalism.
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not in double quotations
While its considered incorrect in some schools, single quotations can be used to indicate paraphrasing
only for the specific question about pagers/emails
plenty of other evidence that the justices have no clue how the technology works
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
not so sure about that.
apparently he never uses a computer and writes out decisions with pen and paper.
Julio Lugo doesn't know the difference between text/email
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 3:39 PM EDT reply actions
Julio Lugo still uses dial up.
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*semaphore
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
yea my bad
didnt notice that until after i posted
by twistedlogic on Apr 21, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Julio Lugo is still using his original 500 FREE HOURS AOL CD to connect to CamdenChat
Also, he goes by the username Jonny Pops
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
julio lugo is actually getting paid more by the sox
to put a curse on the orioles and bring down morale so that the os finish last and the red sox will look less terrible…
i vote we kill him… :)
by Parkinglotninja on Apr 21, 2010 3:59 PM EDT reply actions
No way Sayiid killed Desmond.
You’ll see. He’s turned back.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
OH DUDE
I haven’t watched it yet.
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Umm....that was just a red herring. Ha ha, nothing to see here folks.....
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Exactly... did you see the little smirk when he said "would you like to see for yourself?"
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
BANNED
STOP TALKING ABOUT LOST.
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Sorry, that was harsh
But I really haven’t seen it yet. The invention of the DVR has ruined real time television discussion.
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Is it on NBC yet?
I couldn’t download that stuff, I felt too bad.
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What is the statute of limitations on spoiler alerts?
KBA?
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't feel bad about FNL spoilers
that’s been out there forever. But LOST was just on last night. I plan on watching it tonight, though. It’s not the kind of show you can avoid hearing about for long.
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Fine; Coach Taylor and Tami split up
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't believe that for a second
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And she hooks up with Tim Riggins and Eric walks in...
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
For a tv show, i'd probably say a couple weeks.
FNL is a tough case, since so few people have the directTV channel or dont know that it exists. I’d wait until a few weeks after the NBC airing before its totally ok.
SUBJECT FUCKING LINE
DO we have to write this into the guidelines?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
lesson learned sir!
i do apologize. the great julio lugo in all his glory had my mind in a place of shock. i will not let it happen again.
by Parkinglotninja on Apr 21, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm really glad i brought the joys of the subject line picture collapse tool to the light
but seriously. put a fucking subject line in there with your big ass pictures. thats like twice in this thread.
by twistedlogic on Apr 21, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to pick on parkinglotninja,
but even the collapse feature isnt really an excuse for pictures more than at most 300 pixels high. Resizing and collapsing makes the threads much easier to navigate
You probably should
I don’t know why it’s a problem. I don’t see myself posting pictures anytime soon, but just out of curiosity.
Collapsing makes things a lot easier
Especially in game threads when a lot of pictures tend to be posted, having all those images significantly slows down the thread and requires a lot of additional scrolling. If you collapse them once you see them (and most are only worth seeing once), it streamlines the whole process.
No subject line = no collapsing
there are none really
just the collapsing comment when you use a subject line. i like that most people on this blog use the subject line so i can collapse all of the comments, especially the large ones like those comments from earlier about pagers and emails. subject lines appear to be sacred on some other SBN blogs i’ve been to and never used so you cant collapse any of the comments.
by twistedlogic on Apr 21, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? Thats odd.
There are times where what i have to say cant be easily broken into two segments and i’m not sure which to do, but i think subject lines are really helpful even beyond pictures.
my comp doesnt handle the large pictures well
thread lags big time. its really bad in the game threads where the comments all come in quickly.
by twistedlogic on Apr 21, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Julio Lugo never puts subject lines when he posts pictures.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
He's such a jerk
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The jerk store called
They’re running out of Julio Lugo.
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Im still giggling
about Dave’s post yesterday about sending Lugo back to the Cards as their PTBNL.
Sorta like “You get…. ::drumroll:: JULIO LUGO!!! APRIL FOOLS BITCHES!!!”
by Wieters Wieners on Apr 21, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahahahahah.
oh my god!! yes please.
by Parkinglotninja on Apr 21, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
is anyone else scared that we might ruin wieters' career by overusing him?
"nicely done."
"this is mike gonzalez. harden the fuck up mike gonzalez."
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we're back in business
you have no idea how sad you just made me
"nicely done."
"this is mike gonzalez. harden the fuck up mike gonzalez."
http://draftdayencyclopedia.wordpress.com/
we're back in business
by danielreese05 on Apr 21, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you seen the line up?!
Montanez
Wigginton
Markakis
Wieters
Scott
Jones
Atkins
Turner
Izturis
by LoveForTheGame13 on Apr 21, 2010 7:47 PM EDT reply actions
I'm sure Felix is petrified of that lineup
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Apr 21, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Jones lower in the lineup.
He’s killing us up top right now.
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
when he wasnt worshipping his red sox shrine
glad you put a subject line on that comment so i can collapse it.
by twistedlogic on Apr 22, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Ahh Ohman
“The team with the most points is the team that wins.” Sigh.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
very john madden-esque comment there
wonder when he’ll figure out there are no points in baseball
by twistedlogic on Apr 22, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
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