Birds Up, O's Down for April 25
by duck on Apr 25, 2010 8:00 PM EDT
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Here’s a weekly look at players making an impact, for good and bad, for the Orioles this week:
Birds Up
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Rhyne Hughes (1B) - Called up Friday to help an ineffective lineup, Hughes paid immediate dividends with multi-hit games Saturday and Sunday. A certain starting first baseman may find himself on the bench for a few more days. |
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Brian Matusz (LHP) - Matusz again went 6.0 strong innings, but left his fate with the bullpen after a walk and a hit allowed. And we all know what happened next. If I'm Matt Albers, I'm hiring a food tester if Matusz is near my locker. |
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Ty Wigginton (2B) - Wigginton, at one point this week, was involved in 1/3 of the team's total runs produced. Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2010 Baltimore Orioles. |
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Kevin Millwood (RHP) - I feel like I could just repeat last week's entry. Millwood completes a game, gives up 3 runs, and still takes the loss. What does this guy have to do to buy a win in an O's uniform? |
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Brad Bergesen (RHP) - Let me explain - Brad pitched his way off the big club with a third consecutive bad start. He's pitched a total of 10.1 IP in 3 starts. But on Sunday, he went 7.0 and gave up just 2 ER and had 14 groundball outs and just 2 flyball outs. He should have May 1 circled on his calendar as his return to the Orioles as a starter and a bus ticket to Baltimore in hand. |
O's down
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Cesar Izturis - Iztruis was acquired for his glove before last season, and that's about all he brings to the stadium each night. He's gone stone cold at the plate, with just three hits since last Sunday. Sure, two of them were today, but he's batting .235. Not good enough, Cesar, not good enough. | |
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Matt Albers (RHP) - Two losses in two days, and a complete inability to get outs when needed. And any runners on when he enters are more than even money to score. He seriously needs a bus ticket out of town. | |
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Lou Montanez (LF) - Given every opportunity to take over the LF job with the injury to Felix Pie and Nolan Reimold's supposedly limited range due to his Achilles' injury, Montanez is (not) hitting his way back to Norfolk. He's sporting a OBP of less than .200 and a OPS of under .370. You're not really giving O's fans much reason to Deal With It, Lou. | |
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Garrett Atkins (1B) - Given every opportunity to be the team's starting 1B out of Spring Training, he's been so ineffective at the plate (.224 AVG/.250 OBP/.293 SLG/.543 OPS) he was replaced by a AAA player Saturday. He's only started 3 games since last Sunday. Writing's on the wall, Atkins. Start hitting or be DFA'd. | |
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Julio Lugo (2B) - Given every opportunity to be the starting 2B with Brian Roberts out, Lugo has sucked more than most of his detractors thought he was capable of sucking. His AVG is .111, his OBP is .172, and his OPS is below .300. And he jogs to first base. And he can't bunt. There's no justifiable reason why he's still on this team at this point. | |
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Kam Mickolio (RHP) - Is he still on this team? Oh, that's right - he walked two and gave up 3 runs on Monday and then helped blow yesterday's game, getting just two outs and giving up as home run. He's only made three appearances over the first 19 games. And with his last two performances, he may not see the light of day again for a week. Might as well have his name on a milk carton... |  |
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Lugo, Atkins, Albers and Montanez need to be sent packing ASAP
They have no place in MLB. Albers is a sorta sad story, he was good before that labrum injury but now he needs to go.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
Too young
I think Mickolio has a chance to bounce back and still turn into a solid reliever.
I agree with most that Lugo is terrible, but I’m not sure who else can take over as utility man at short. Does Andy call Andio back up?
Atkins and Albers are done for me. Hughes can take over at first until Synder is ready, then we’ll see which sticks. Arrieta seems like the logical choice over Bergesen; at least at the moment. I’m sure some would disagree and say that Bergesen “figured himself out” in his start in Norfolk. The problem I have is that it’s only been one game. I still think he needs more time to right himself, but who knows.
So let him bounce back in the minors.
And yes get Andino back up here.
I agree with you about Arrieta.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I agree he should be sent back down to Triple-A, but would never say he has no place in the MLB, as reddrummer9187 put it. Mickolio just needs time.
Andino’s defense at second was the reason he was sent down, I believe, and I wonder if he’s gotten any better.
Boom, bring up the A-Bomb. (yes, I did that)
Who takes over for Trembley when he's shown the door?
Jeff Datz? Someone else in the organization? Or does MacPhail go after someone out there, like Eric Wedge?
What can I say, I like Eric Wedge.
Mabye someone from within the organization isn't the best move
The track record of guys promoted from within isn’t the best.
It’s too bad there aren’t those successful journeymen managers like Dick Williams and Billy Martin anymore (although I think Martin was kind of a bullshit artist).
How about a contest among Orioles bloggers?
I’ll take you all out.
I'm ready for a straight jacket. - Joe Angel, 4/17/10 (O's record: 1-11)
by Eat More Esskay on Apr 25, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't know, but i'll tell you what...
this team sure could use the outside the box thinking of john gibbons.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Apr 26, 2010 5:43 AM EDT up reply actions
everybody could some john gibbons in your life
planning a wedding? see john gibbons.
need a root canal? see john gibbons.
need a beat down? see john gibbons.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
todays win
They should have won all 3 games in Boston. If DT gets the door who will be next? Will we see imediate improvement. The same with a new owner the next could be the same or worse than Pete.
Nolan
Why did Nolan get a pass? Caser is not playing because of his bat. Get over it. After 50 years of playing, coaching and watching baseball, good teams have had one thing in common…good defense up the middle-offense along the sides
When's the last time a team won anything (wild card, division, WS) with a SS with a .505 OPS?
Get over it.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Know your Orioles history...
…and the brilliance of Mark Belanger.
In 1979, the Orioles went to Game 7 of the World Series and lost to Stargell and the Pirates. Mark Belanger, their 8-time gold glove winnings shortstop, had an OPS of .490.
Get over yourself.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
I like history, and I loved Belanger
but the position has changed. Thanks largely to Cal (and A-Rod, and Jeter, etc.), the expectation is that SS is an offensively productive position, not an automatic #9 hitter.
Still, personally, I feel a lot better having Cesar out there than a Lugo type, even if Lugo weren’t stinking up the joint so bad at the plate.
BTW, my recollection is that Belanger found ways to contribute—bunting, stealing bases—even if he was never much of a hitter.
by fishoutawata on Apr 26, 2010 5:15 AM EDT up reply actions
absolutely true
he was a master of the “productive out”. and truly dazzling with the glove. he actually got MVP votes in many years.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
zk, talk about knowing Orioles history
In 1979, Belanger wasn’t the Orioles everyday SS. Kiko Garcia started 102 games at SS; Belanger 54. Garcia hit .247/.303/.362 (no great shakes, but not Belanger-esque numbers either).
In the 1979 WS, Belanger had 7 plate appearances. He only started games 1 and 2 in which he went 0-6 with 1 BB. After which he was replaced by Kiko Garcia in games 3-7. Garcia went 6-20 with 2 2B, 1 3B, 4 runs, and 6 RBI. Belanger came in as a defensive replacement for him twice but never got another AB.
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
ha ha yes, I could tell
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
Loved Kiko as a kid
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
OK, that didn't read the way I wanted it to...
but he was my favorite Oriole when I was 11 in 1979
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
due respect,
nobody said “starting shortstop”. and I’d hardly call Kiko the “everyday shortstop” since Belanger played a full 1/3 of the games. it was clearly a platoon situation.
Belanger played in 102 games and had 242 plate appearances. I’m sure that had plenty of effect, one way or the other, on the Orioles’ offense.
And Kiko’s own OPS was a paltry .665.
So YOURS is the self to get over.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Oh well if nobody said STARTING shortstop ;)
And the difference between .490 and .665 is pretty big.
I’m not arguing Belanger’s glove, not even a little bit. But 1979 was towards the end of his career and he was only a 0.4 WAR player that year. Just a few years before that he topped 5, which is absolutely AMAZING for a guy with his offensive numbers. (http://www.baseballprojection.com/war/b/belam101.htm). But by 1979
And don’t drag me into all this testosterone fueled getting over-ness, buddy. I was perfectly polite!
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
1979
how many years ago is that? How different is the league? Get over it.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
When’s the last time a team won anything (wild card, division, WS) with a SS with a .505 OPS?
…is a stupid, hyperbolic point that proves absolutely nothing and is an insult to intelligent baseball discussion.
YOU get over it.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
(also pokes O'sFan 21 with a very sharp stick)
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Except it's absolutely not.
The point being made was that it didn’t matter how badly Izturis was doing with the bat because all we cared about was his glove. And that’s just blatantly not true. In the last 20 years, of 40 league champions, only 3 teams had regular shortstops with an OPS under .600. In the last 10 years only 1 team had a SS with an OPS of under .600 (2004 Red Sox with Pokey Reese and he only had 264 PAs). The other 2 were in 1991 and 1992 for the Braves. The game is completely different now – you need offensive production from everybody including your shortstop.
The only insult to an intelligent baseball discussion was your ridiculous point that the Orioles had a part-time shortstop 31 years ago that OPS’d for shit.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
ha ha ha ha ha
no, yours was a ridiculous point.
You wrote:
When’s the last time a team won anything (wild card, division, WS) with a SS with a .505 OPS?
Get over it.
…. like that’s some kind of proof of anything.
I simply provided exactly what you asked for.
I’m not arguing that Belanger is proof that it can be done. I actually know full well that it’s probably quite difficult for it to happen.
But you have a regular habit of trying to force the real world to behave as a statistical one, as though nothing new can ever happen, and I really this habit tiresome, illogical, and boring. Statistics are useful for studying situations and can help to predict the future; but they are never a 100% predictor of anything, as you repeatedly suggest they are.
You yourself write, “The game is completely different now”. Yes, and it will be different again. This year, or the next year, or ten years from now, might well be the year that a team again “wins something” with a light-hitting middle infielder.
Can the Red Sox come back and win four straight against the Yankees to win the world series?
Well, no team has ever done it before, so it’s impossible.
Can a rookie named “Brian” win 20 games in his first year?
Well, no rookie named Brian has ever done it before, so it’s impossible.
Can a team with a SS OPSing .505 win “anything”?
Well no team has ever done it before (except I pointed out where one has), so it’s impossible.
* YAAAAWNNNNNN *
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on Apr 26, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Even though your response was factually ridiculous (since he wasn’t the regular SS and it was obvious that I meant regular SS since most teams have some all-glove no-hit backup middle infielder), it was 31 years ago!!! That was my point. It just doesn’t happen anymore.
I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. Where on earth do I say that it’s impossible? In fact I say the exact opposite by pointing out the 3 times where it’s happened in the last 20 years.
Should we build our team based on models that have succeeded 8% of the time in the last 20 years? On models that happen once in the entire history of major league baseball (as in your example of the Red Sox coming back from 3-0)?
Really though I’m happy to have a debates about this. What I don’t get is your attack mode. Right off the bat with your “Get over yourself” comment and then continuing with your “tiresome, illogical, and boring” and then ending your post with a yawn. Also why did you feel the need to change the non-offensive “get over it” to a more personal “Get over yourself”? I’m all for acting like an asshole when it’s appropriate, but I don’t get what your problem is right now. If this discussion bores you, then why respond?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
okay.
When’s the last time a team won anything (wild card, division, WS) with a SS with a .505 OPS?
To me, that’s tantamount to you saying it’s impossible. In addition, in your reply above you state, “It just doesn’t happen anymore”. Again, pretty similar to saying it’s impossible.
Get over it.- I am pretty much never the first person to go into “attack mode”. You wrote “get over it” in reply to 4morushsup, which was the first attacking statement. I was only trying to join the fray at the level that you set. If you argue politely, I do the same. If you feel a need to throw out invective, then I try to play along. I don’t draw the big distinction you do between “get over it” and “get over yourself”—they’re both rude, inflammatory things to say…and IMHO only serve to inhibit the actual goal of getting a point across.
- The discussion isn’t boring me. It’s the constant assertions on this and other blogs that “statistics PROVE that x is the case” bore me. You can say that, no, you’re not arguing they prove anything, you’re not saying anything is impossible—you’re only stating probabilities, which happen to be 8% in this case according to you. But to me these all add up to basically the same thing. It’s a technicality, to dispute whether you’re saying something has an 8% probability or a 0% probablility. In either case, a statement you make such as #1 above is essentially saying we need to march in lockstep with the probablilities, and I find that boring.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
1. Fine if you think me saying that it’s happened 8% of the time in the last 20 years is the same as saying it’s impossible. Nothing much I can do about how you interpret things. I would have thought that 0% might have implied that it was impossible, but maybe 8% does too.
2. I said “get over it” because he said it! So if you want to use that to assign blame for the first attack it was his attacking Duck’s post. Maybe you missed that – not sure. And it wasn’t even remotely directed at you so I’m not sure why you felt the need to come in and direct attacks at me. And I don’t know man, but I think “get over yourself” is much more obnoxious than “get over it.”
3. I’m not really sure what you’re arguing. That using statistics to make arguments is boring? What else should we use? Random outliers that occur over the last 30 years? I guess that approach would definitely not be boring. Pointless and silly, but certainly not boring.
One other thing:
which happen to be 8% in this case according to you.
What exactly do you mean by “according to you.”? Are you implying that I’m making this up? That it might be a different % according to somebody else? Weird stuff.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I enjoy numbered arguments
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
they do give the whole thing a certain structure
It reminds me of how our teachers made us structure our essays in high school with outlines.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
i enjoy numbering the number of posts between o'sfan21 and person X
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
I responded to stacey
good grief, that was so predictable that you would post that. don’t worry, you won’t have to fret about me unfairly prosecuting you.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
And it was so shocking that you jumped into a discussion I was involved in! The exact opposite of predictable!!
Also I didn’t realize you were a prosecutor…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
dude, i was trying to make a joke
and apparently, i am the prosecutor of you. apparently, i can’t make a fair and cogent point w/o being accused of gunning for you..
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
If you hadn’t said gone on and on about how you actively avoid threads with me I’d be just fine.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
dude, all i can say we need to hug this shit out.
otherwise, happy trails brother.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
lets all go for beers and work out our differences
beer cures everything (or at least everything that duct tape cant fix)
by twistedlogic on Apr 26, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Gunning for O'sFan21 ...
… now there’s an interesting idea.
Maybe a poll is called for – doing it up close with a shotgun or reaching out and touching him from a distance with a high velocity scoped rifle.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
No one said a helicopter would be involved
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
Though now that you mention it ....
… an Apache’s chain gun is another acceptable option.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
my last on this
- That’s not what I said. I said that a statement beginning with, “When’s the last time…etc.” is the same as saying something’s impossible. It may be rhetorical, but that’s what it implies.
- Totally fair point. I completely missed it in his statement and thought you were attacking him unprovoked. If I see that kind of behavior, I have a history of defending against it. But I was clearly wrong in this circumstance and fully admit it.
- Using statistics to support arguments is not boring. Endlessly saying that all of our moves should be governed by them is. I can’t make it any clearer than that. And the “according to you” part was just that: I haven’t looked it up, I don’t know, I’m giving you credit as the source. If you read more into it than that, you’re reaching.
Cheers.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Nice statement - "The game is completely different now."
Still 90 feet between bases.
Still takes 3 outs in an inning.
Still need to throw the ball over the plate (and it still has to travel 60 feet).
Still nine innings.
Still 9 players to a side.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
Wow!
You know you’re right! Since the game is still exactly the same (since…you know…the rules are still the same as you’ve so astutely pointed out), we can expect the following about 2009 since it happened in 1979:
10 people in the AL to have 13 or more complete games (as opposed to ZERO)
8 people in the AL to have over 250 innings pitched (as opposed to ZERO)
1 person in the AL will have over 30 saves (as opposed to 7)
194 will be the most team HRs in the AL (as opposed to 244)
143 will be the average number of team HRs in the AL (as opposed to 183)
752 will be the league average in team runs in the AL (as opposed to 781)
866 will be the league high for team runs in the AL (as opposed to 915)
It hasn’t changed at all!!
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
If stats are your holy grail then you could have a point.
But you still have to hit and catch the ball. That hasn’t changed.
Can a team afford a weak hitting defensive player these days? Maybe, but probably not as much as they once could. On the other hand, the National league plays with pitchers having to hit. That’s like having an automatic out. (One difference though is that both teams have to play with that handicap, so it evens things out.)
If Baltimore had a true slugging 1st baseman, and with a hitting catcher like Wieters, they could compete with Iztursis at short. What I don’t understand is how they can justify Lugo playing. He sucks both offensively and defensively.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
hahahaha
Where the fuck do I say anything about not having to hit and catch the ball?
Of course they could compete with Izturis at SS, if they had a great lineup around him, but that doesn’t mean that everybody would still be disappointed by him OPS-ing .550.
Agree on Lugo though. He’s a waste of a roster spot.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
err
that doesn’t mean that everybody would NOT still be disappointed
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Bottom line for me ....
…. I’d generally agree with you that teams cannot as easily afford to field players who can’t contribute offensively as they once may have been able to do.
But I also think that Iztursis is perhaps the least of the O’s problems.
Clarence, It's better to have a gun and not need it, then need a gun and not have it.
I think our 1B OPS'ing .534 is a worse travesty
Since in theory its the easiest position and we have to do better than that.
I’ll live with an all glove no-hit SS if it means no fahey, bynum and whoever else played for us in that debacle.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 26, 2010 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Rhyne Hughes is OPS'ing .800
Wooooo!
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
Because I limited myself to 6 O's Down
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
by duck on Apr 26, 2010 7:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It is my dream to see Bergesen's redemption.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
Is the milk carton showing up for anyone?
Because it’s not on my school computer. :(
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
It is for me. Does your school block things on the CPU’s?
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 26, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, lot of stuff gets blocked.
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
Ah well maybe they decided that the Milk Carton is offensive.
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 26, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I can see it
and my work blocks a lot of images.
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
Wow
My school uses stricter filtering than YOUR employer? That’s something.
"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble
Who replaces Fat Albers?
Sarfate? Frank Mata?
Wiggity’s 6 HR ties him for 5th in the AL, and his 8.7 AB/HR puts him 4th. He has an OPS+ of 201. Trade him for prospects immediately.
#33 for hitting coach. 500 HR >>> 379 hits
i think...
fat albers death watch coincides w/ the return of koji.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Apr 26, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Look within
The players have to ‘’want ’’ to do more to win. If every team and individual salary were paid by performance, maybe the orioles would have 10 wins by now. Since Eddie Murray was traded in 1990, What power hitter has the O’s brought up through their farm system ? Let’s not mention the steroid players they have had since 1990, and seem to like and want. When or if the Orioles will ever develope the good players as they did years ago, maybe they will be a contender again in September and October. For Trembley to get tough now, is like locking the barn after the horse is gone. This game of baseball needs to go back the the old rules. If you’re good you play, if you’re bad you sit. If you’re not producing and your playing every game you get sent back down to the minors. Looking at the past teams of the Orioles winning years, every player wanted to play and hated it when they did not do what they were capable of doing. Brooks & Frank, Eddie, & Cal and all the other players that were on their teams knew what is was like to be on a team that wanted to compete and win. Most players on those teams ever made what the players on this team is making. All of those players had Earl Weaver to play for. Weaver could’nt create the magic today though. Face it fans, when players do not have to perform to make their millions, who needs to hit balls over the fences for 3 run HRS , get hits, or pitch good for 8 innings ? Call it the Earl Williams syndrome, all talk no action. Hopefully Angelos will not make a 5 for 1 deal like that one was in 1973. Reminder of that deal.. Davey Johnson, Doyle Alexander, Pat Dobson, Roric Harrison & Johnny Oats, to the Braves all for BIG BAD Earl Williams who was going to win Baltimore a pennant . Then they wanted R E G G I E, then finnaly we got E D D I E came then Cal . See what happened when a few good players stay around ?
by X X X X X X X X X XXX 300 on Apr 26, 2010 7:37 PM EDT reply actions
Ahhhh that good ol' days when players wanted to win and didn't care about money
so much material to work with in this post and so little time…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Oh totally
Never mind the fact that Eddie Murray made over 30 million during his career. That’s not exactly chump change. I’m pretty sure he didn’t have to hit a homer every few days to keep food on the table.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
let me guess.
bowler?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Nah
He just REALLY likes porn and movies about Sparta.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
ahahahaha.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
lyle overbay is still in the league.
huh…who knew?
"nicely done."
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