Rays 4, Orioles 3: New Season, Same S#%&
by Stacey on Apr 6, 2010 11:27 PM EDT
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PrintOK so first things first, I don't actually think it's a new season, same S. But when the game ended my friend Andrew sent me a text message and that's all it said. So your headline is a shout out to him. Hi Andrew! Anyway, on to the game.
The entire Orioles offense tonight was made up of three solo home runs. Luke Scott, Adam Jones, and Matt Wieters took James Shields deep to account for the three Oriole runs. Adam Jones in particular had a great night, falling just a triple short of the cycle. Wieters and Izturis also had two hits. Nick Markakis also reached base three times with a double and two walks. Didja hear that, O'sFan21? Two walks!
Kevin Millwood....well he pitched five decent innings. He gave up 1 run through five and he didn't look too bad. He didn't look too bad, that is, until the sixth inning. Evan Longoria greeted Millwood in that inning by absolutely crushing a solo home run to left field. Back to back singles by Carlos Pena and Longoria and that was it for Millwood. He left a mess for Matt Albers, but Phat Albers induced a GIDP by Pat Burrell and struck out Sean Rodriguez to save Millwood's hide. Will Ohman and Jim Johnson both had perfect outings, and then came Mike Gonzalez.
Mike Gonzalez, you might remember, was the biggest FA acquisition of the off-season. Two years, $12M . I'm not saying Gonzalez is a bust, far from it, but he didn't exactly make a great first impression. Coming into the inning with a one run lead, Gonzalez struck out Pat Burrell before giving up a single to Sean Rodriguez and a double to pinch hitter Kelly Shoppach. With one out and the winning run on second, the Orioles opted to walk Jason Bartlett to create a force out at home. Not a bad idea in theory, but Carl Crawford was at the plate and didn't care much for the Orioles plans. He lined a ball to right field to score both Pena and Crawford and give the Rays their first win of the year on a walk off.
What a letdown. I thought the O's had this one in the bag.
Not a letdown, however, was getting to watch the game with a few Camden Chatters. PhilR8, UH-60, Gregory O, Eat More Esskay, Andrew @ TLC, and Jobe all joined me in scenic Dundalk for the game. It was a really fun time and we should definitely plan more get togethers in the future.
The O's do it all again tomorrow with Jeremy Guthrie taking the mound against Matt Garza (gulp). Game time is 7:10 p.m.
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Actually, this is brand new S#%&
Unless I’ve overlooked something (I double- and triple-checked, but you never can be too sure), Mike Gonzalez is the first Orioles reliever to blow a save on Opening Day. Congratulations, Gonzo, on making history in your first O’s appearance.
And to think, I was getting optimistic after he struck out Burrell. “Works quick, gets strikeouts, has a crazy wind-up … he might be more fun to watch than George Sherrill.” Serves me right.
this is great news!
hes only costing us 12 million. how much per blown save?
by twistedlogic on Apr 7, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Great question
I think he gets bonus money depending on the style of the blown save. History making efforts are worth more.
Shit...
if its 12 million per blown save…I will be ecstatic.
"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"
by UMBC Oriole fan on Apr 7, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Oy
I left right after Markakis threw out Navarro at the plate (had dinner plans I couldn’t get out of).
Seems like that’s a good thing. God, seeing the Braves use our second round pick is going to hurt me.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
watching
Brob at the plate is really frustrating. He needs to get his groove back for us to ever really put up any runs.
The owner of...... www.birdswatcher.com
by Michael18 on Apr 7, 2010 12:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
He's a couple weeks behind.
If he’s not hitting three weeks from now, then I’ll be worried. That said, he shouldn’t be leading off right now. We have a very hard schedule the first couple weeks, he should be hitting sixth, or seventh.
"I’d like to be 29, 6-foot-3 and have a full head of hair," Trembley said. "The reality is, realignment is not going to happen. So we’re going to have to deal with it."
Really? I thought he looked fine.
He had a couple really long typical BRob ABs – just didn’t result in hits. When he’s working the count and seeing pitches I’m happy. The hits/bbs will come soon enough.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
WTF?!?!???!!
wru MBP!!11
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
That 9th inning bummed me out so much
At least the company was good tonight. Even the crazy angry Dundalk guys seemed to add to the ambiance.
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on Apr 7, 2010 12:16 AM EDT reply actions
I think they got kicked out or something.
They were there early, then they were not there anymore.
"I’d like to be 29, 6-foot-3 and have a full head of hair," Trembley said. "The reality is, realignment is not going to happen. So we’re going to have to deal with it."
Could have been worse, I suppose.
Certainly this loss was more gut-wrenching than losing 10-2, or something like that. This was a game they should have won. So that stinks, of course.
On the other hand, before you blow a game, you have to be in position to win it. And the Orioles certainly were, which is a lot more than can be said for a lot of games at the end of last year.
If, like me, you don’t really believe in clutch hitting, then the team simply had bad luck. Even without the three homers, they had eight hits and three walks, including four doubles. That amount of offense ought to produce more than three runs.
Just don’t let it become a pattern. (I see Guthrie is pitching tomorrow. Let’s hope he leaves spring training behind.)
Did anyone actually expect Millwood to win?
I’m looking forward to our first win the game after Guthrie pitches. You know, once we get to our good pitchers.
"I’d like to be 29, 6-foot-3 and have a full head of hair," Trembley said. "The reality is, realignment is not going to happen. So we’re going to have to deal with it."
Hey
Millwood looked good last nite, at least I thought he did. He didn’tlose it. But yea, Guthrie pitches next so they’ll probably be out of it by the third inning or so
by Fran the man 7 on Apr 7, 2010 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, it's Moscow Mop-up, brought to you again by Smirnoff: "From the land of sky-blue waters."
Wait, that’s not the right slogan. On the other hand, Mike “Chernobyl” Gonzalez doesn’t give a sh*t: he’s a dead man.
We’ll skip the usual ceremonial tap-dancing around the numbers and get right to the core melt-down of this particular disaster: the team’s 1-for-12 with RSP. What exactly Dave meant by his post-game “[We] played with a lot of poise” is anybody’s guess; mine would be “poise” = not crying the 11 times we didn’t convert. See, we’re men, and we all know what sport there’s no crying in.
As for the $12 million dollar floating turd we apparently hired. Just get the side out, #sshole, so we don’t have to debate whether to flush you. Is that so much to ask?
Guts today. He keeps 2 or < inside the ridiculous Trop, we get No. 1. Get psyched!
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
The closer didn't matter.
We can’t expect to just hit solo HR’s and win. We’re not going to hit enough of them.
"I’d like to be 29, 6-foot-3 and have a full head of hair," Trembley said. "The reality is, realignment is not going to happen. So we’re going to have to deal with it."
What kind of statement is that?
No matter how the runs were scored, or how many guys didnt reach home plate, the bottom line is that the O’s were up by 1 with 1 out and nobody on in the bottom of the 9th inning. Gonzalez has no control, all his pitches were right in the sweet spot and this is going to be a disaster if he remains our closer for too long…
I mean give him a few more chances, but to me, his pitches are right over the plate, or way out of the zone.
man you've gained a ton of expert information from watching one outing!
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Mike "Chernobyl" Gonzalez
Would it be in poor taste to refer to Gonzalez as Chernobyl henceforth?
Librarians are hiding something
Considering that..
“Mile” and Mike" are pretty close, How about 3 Mile Gonzales?
I like the concept of nuclear meltdown for this guy.
ding-ding-ding!
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Well, I recall one year in the 70s when the Angels’ bullpen was simply a disaster with arms, sporting a pen-wide ERA of something like 6 for a period— which isn’t easy to do. Anyway, the fans and then even the announcers started referring to them collectively as The Arson Squad.
But the next season they were… even worse! At some point in mid-summer their nickname became The Towering Inferno.
If those weren’t in poor taste, I’d say “Chernobyl” Gonzalez was prolly OK. Or maybe we should give him a chance: make him “Three Mile Island” Gonzalez for a while, then Chernobylize him when he notches his fourth BS-plus-L twofer or something.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
If he continues to pitch like this...
I hope Gonzalez’s nickname becomes “Gone.”
I'm surprised
no one’s ripped on Atkins for popping up with men on second and third with nobody out. He just seems like an easy target, but we left way too many on base.
Did you really expect anything else from him?
Hated the Atkins signing when it happend, but I’m not going to trash him for sucking, I expect him to suck. If he doesn’t suck, I’ll give him props, but if he hits like he did tonight, then it’s just what I expected.
"I’d like to be 29, 6-foot-3 and have a full head of hair," Trembley said. "The reality is, realignment is not going to happen. So we’re going to have to deal with it."
Yeah
it’s exactly what I expected, and I’ve been easy on him, I was literally just surprised I hadn’t seen anything on him yet. The whole team was awful with runners in scoring position. The home runs won’t get me excited until we get them in bigger situations.
We had this conversation at the bar.
O’s are not good at manufacturing runs. This is a problem, at least I think it is.
"I’d like to be 29, 6-foot-3 and have a full head of hair," Trembley said. "The reality is, realignment is not going to happen. So we’re going to have to deal with it."
1-13 with RISP
And the 1 didn’t even plate a run. Only the Orioles. But hey, it’s still better than not baseball season.
In fairness to Atkins, he did hammer that double.
Librarians are hiding something
It certainly is
better than not baseball season. But I’ll still hope that it becomes less of a problem.
by tjk on Apr 7, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
He and Izturis were my targets. That inning fucked us.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
At least Izzy tried to make up for it
with the single and steal.
OMFG
Izzy got a hit!
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
Well
Thank goodness the NBA is really exciting this year and the NFL isn’t THAT far away (GO BRONCOS!) because perhaps it’s once again another long season for the Orioles. Gonzo, this was a terrible save to blow. Nevertheless, I’ll remain a loyal O’s fan.
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Apr 7, 2010 1:26 AM EDT reply actions
aw it was one game
Let’s all just relax
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
May I ask a question?
Why the hell did we walk Bartlett anyway? I mean, if it were any other point in the game…damn.
I did not expect Gonzalez to serve up that meatball.
Possibility of a double play?
Which is a nice theory, until you realize there is no way you’re getting Crawford on the back end of that.
This will make hating Carl a whole lot easier when he is in pinstripes next season.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
And that's why Rafael Soriano was higher in the pecking order than Mike Gonzalez
when they were with the Braves….
yeah because he had a MUCH better outing yesterday
his ass was saved by 2 inches. He looked absolutely horrible and Tejada crushed that ball – just lucky it was close to a glove.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
This is what we get
Mike Gonzalez last year got 10 saves and 7 blown saves maybe he can get 20 blown saves and 10 saves. Damn im going to hear shit from all those damn braves fans who told me he was shit.
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
I'm not sorry about the Sherrill trade because we got value
but i sure miss old Flat Breezy.
Me too. remember who was our closer after him for the restof the season? Good old 8th inning jim johnson. Great in the 8th terrible in the 9th
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
not much consolation...
but his flatness got ripped monday night.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
In other thoughts
Miggy looked fine at 3rd (a lot better than Atkins at first), even turning in a web gem with that turnaround play, but if he can’t even produce a fly ball on demand, he needs to be at the bottom of the order. I mean I can live without hits, just drive people in if you’re batting fourth, man!
Exactly
If there has to be a villain here, I’m looking to whomever came up with the bright idea to put him in the clean up spot. A Christmas tree would have been more effective. Gonzales wouldn’t have been in that position if Miggy hadn’t left three guys stranded minutes beforehand.
Now Joe can't come within 500 feet of Mary. He also can't call her, or burn his name in gas on her lawn. I'm gonna let you in on a little secret, Joe is me. And Mary is a composite of 12 different women and a small independent film company all of whom couldn't deal with me because I'm too real. -Gary Busey
... I would like us to invest in a real closer.
Remember good ol’ Randy Myers.
Y'all crack me up with your doom and gloom
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
The only good thing about last night
is we’re that much closer to Tillman getting back on theroster, as our new closer. :)
"How's that s---house of an Eastern Shore?" - William Donald Schaefer
There's no way they do that
Tillmans ceiling is projected way higher than matusz..
by GeoffreyA on Apr 7, 2010 11:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i think Matusz will be better
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 7, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
No it's not, it's not even close.
In one game as a freshman at Miami, Wieters hit a two-run homer in the top of the ninth to put the Yellow Jackets ahead, then pitched the bottom of the ninth for the save. On that day, the God nickname was bestowed. - Sports Illustrated
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Apr 7, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I'm pretty sure I agree that Tillman has a higher ceiling
Thats the funny thing about ceilings though, they are so infrequently reached. I think Matusz is going to be the better pitcher, but right now if they both reached 100% potential Tillman would probably be our ace.
I always take pitchers ceilings with a grain of salt
Because a harder fastball seems to always equal a higher ceiling regardless of consistency. I always thought Tillman and Matusz had similar ceilings in scouts minds though. Great #2’s or fringe ace. Like i said, i always take it with at least a grain of salt.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 7, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
From what i've heard
Tillman’s “ceiling” is a true ace, where as Matusz’s may be more of a 1A type. I don’t know how much I buy into that, but i’ll take it in either case.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
eh that all has to do with how hard he throws
matusz has a true four pitch arsenal. he just doesnt throw as hard.
New Closer
well condering we got them nice prospects in Minors wat if we moved Guthie to Closer ? Then we could have Rotation wit Matsuez Tillman Hernandez and the others. Probably wont happen just wondering here.
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
You want the guy who led the league in HR allowed last year to be the closer?
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
He would only be pitching 1 to2 innings he wuldnt have to try and pace himself or nothing just throw everything he has. His numbers could go down but we will never knw cuz no way will Dave try it.
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
He wont try it because Guthrie doesnt really have the stuff to be a closer
If making a closing change really became necessary, we have a lot of guys ahead of Guthrie in the pecking order that would make better closers.
Also
it was ONE game. Yes, it sucks. But I don’t think a major overhaul is necessarily in order.
This just in: adorableness on the rise, family copes with child getting schooled. Film at 11. -daveh873
WTF Roberts is good when he isnt hurt we do have pitching. and It is too early to fire Trembey
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
aye i prob should
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 7, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps I'm missing your sarcasm...
but if I’m not, clearly, you’re missing Steve’s.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
I apoloize read it in a hurry
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 7, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
It's never to early to fire trembley
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 7, 2010 10:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
aye
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 7, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
we also have alot of players who would be better Starters
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
At this point, no. we don't.
Tillman is likely the only one arguably ready for the ML rotation, everyone else definitely needs more time in the minors. And if you REALLY wanted to move guthrie out of the rotation, it would be long relief, not closer.
No i wouldntust throwning out ideas would have been interesting case though. I didnt mean like right NOW they will be better starters but in a year or two they could be better then Guthrie. And are usaying Hernadez needs more time in the miners? or just that everyone in the miners needs mor time other then tillman
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
Thanx for clarification there
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 7, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Guts has closer stuff
He has a mid 90’s fastball, a nice 12-6 curve, and a pretty solid slider. It’s been said about him all along he has ace stuff, it’s the accuracy & consistency that’s a problem. If you have ace stuff, you have closer stuff.
He was a first round pick wasn't he?
The Indians and Orioles…and MLB 2K9 LOL! He was really solid for two years in the most brutal division in baseball. He does have ace stuff, or else he wouldn’t have been one of the top 25 picks in the amateur draft in ‘02. He’s just regressed.
Maybe at that point people projected him to have ace stuff
but thats not the pitcher we’re talking about now
If he figures out how to not give up 3 homers a game he'll be back
and if your aunt had a nut she’d be your uncle.
Actually if she had a nut...
she might be a squirrel. Or have testicular cancer. Or be a bolt.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
nice
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 7, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Not saying I'd be in favor of it
I don’t know if he has the makeup. He would need to develop a fu manchu or mullet to go along with the splitter.
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by Adam double bubble on Apr 7, 2010 7:42 AM EDT reply actions
All our acquisitions suck ass
I still feel that strongly this morning. Fatkins, the 50 year old Tejada, Gonzalez, well actually Millwood wasnt that bad and he is a mentor!!! Either way, none of them will contribute once this team is a contender.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
Optimism
Just look at this as our young core/foundation being really good. We got good things out of all those guys last night.
It's true
Anyone I considered part of our future looked good. Except maybe Roberts but he is still getting into form.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 7, 2010 9:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Roberts
isn’t really part of our future anymore… for him the future is now.
The time is now, the place is now.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
I think roberts is definitely still a part of the future
Hopefully though once we reach our competitive prime, he’s a complementary piece and hitting in the lower part of the lineup.
It's true
I think we can be contending next year though, and if he remains a patient hitter with doubles power then he can contribute
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 7, 2010 10:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i agree
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Apr 7, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t exactly blown away by Garrett Atkins. Since when do you have a 1st Baseman bat 8th? Those are supposed to be your power hitters and the guy is setting up for the shortstop.
This space held in honor of Robert Royal known to his friends as "Sweet Cream Style Corn" March 11 2006- February 26, 2009
as i've said a hundred times
who gives a shit where our 1st basemen bats? Soon enough we’ll have our catcher hitting 4th, so what difference does it make??
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
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