And With the Third Pick.... Part One: C Bryce Harper
With the magic of opening day in the majors behind us, there is still a day before the four full-season affiliates of the Orioles will take the field. Soon, we'll have lots of news about the goings-on in the minors to talk about, but for right now, all there is to do is to rehash the prospect reviews from the offseason. Sigh.
Or, we can talk about the draft!
The Orioles, sadly, possess the third overall pick in this years Rule IV draft, for amateur players from the United States, Canada and Puerto Rico. While this reminder of our ineptitude in 2009 is unpleasant, it gives us a chance to select one of the best prospects in the nation to add to our roster of future potential stars.
We'll begin with the odds-on favorite to hear his name first overall on June 7th in Secaucus, N.J. (and what a magical place to hold the draft it is): Catcher Bryce Harper of the College of Southern Nevada.
Harper's hype has been in full swing for a while now. Since appearing on the cover of Sports Illustrated last June, Harper got his GED a year early and enrolled at CSN, making him eligible for this year's draft at the tender age of 17.
So what's he done since?
Against competition older by a year or more, playing for one of the top JuCo programs, Harper has lived up to the hype and then some. His line so far: .426/.529/.852. He has 12 home runs in a mere 115 at bats - better than one homer per ten at bats. Better still - he's hit eight of his home runs since CSN switched to using wooden bats on March 5th. His slugging with wood is 1.233. He has hit a home run with a wood bat every 5.38 at bats.
Want more? Harper has more walks (25) than strikeouts (24). He has 11 steals in 13 attempts. He has 13 doubles, leading his team. Finally, however, there is a flaw in his game - despite scouting reports of a rocket arm, he has only caught three out of twenty-one basestealers and has two errors behind the plate.
Still, Harper has shown everything and more you'd want to see from a very special offensive prospect. There is no good reason why he should be available when the Orioles make the third pick. But....
With any prospect this hyped, a backlash will grow. Jim Callis of Baseball America was an early adopter, theorizing in October 2009 that Harper could fall out of the first round due to the hype and reputed bonus demands of the Boras client. Jonathan Mayo was another, ranking Harper fourth among his top prospects for the draft back in February. Then numerous stories began surfacing quoting anonymous scouts as saying that Harper was not the #1 talent in the draft, and implying that he had troubling makeup. Callis still has Harper on the top of his board as of his last ESPN chat, but continues to express words of warning about what it will cost to sign him. And the Nationals, fresh off of the Stephen Strasburg signing last year, may balk at another record-setting outlay after having established themselves as willing to spend last season, particularly if they think they can dodge criticism due to the rumors. The Pirates, owners of the second overall pick, are considered an unlikely landing place for Harper should he be passed on by the Nationals. In fact, the Pirates are not reported to be in on the draft's consensus #2 talent, Jameson Taillon, due to concerns that Taillon will require a record-setting bonus for a prep arm, which makes them unlikely to jump at the even higher price tag Harper will command.
Which would leave the Orioles. In my opinion, in the unlikely event Harper falls to us at third overall, he's an absolute no-brainer barring something unforeseen taking place between now and draft day. Yes, we have a certain backstop who should not need any help for the next six to ten seasons already. But Harper is a special, special bat which can play anywhere on the diamond, and has the defensive skills to contribute at right or third base easily. It is my belief that you can't spend too much money in the draft (more on that in the future), but Harper would be a bargain at Aroldis Chapman's price.
Let's hope that the Nationals and Pirates disagree.
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I'd love for Harper to slip to the O's
What kind of bonus do you think he’d demand? Obviously a lot, but more than Strasburg?
he's crazy if he's expecting even close to strasburg.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Jim Callis
In his chat today, Jim Callis was putting him around $10M.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Apr 7, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I just can't imagine the Nats won't take him
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agreed. especially with that hole they have in the org. at catcher which they covered up with a Pudge signing…
"If you want money, go to the bank. If you want bread, go to the bakery. If you want goals, go to the net." - Brooks Laich
"...I got the most gentlemanly player in juniors my last year. I'm a gentleman, always a gentleman." - Matt Bradley
I have a hard time with it too...
…then again, this is an org which was the first ever with two top ten picks and used one on Drew Storen. Which doesn’t shock people, but should.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
To be fair
Storen has really good stuff, and he’ll be their closer before the year is done.
"I'd like to do something. We all would here," he added. "As I've said before, you just don't want to do anything stupid that you're thinking in May, 'What in the God's green earth was I thinking about?'" - Andy MacPhail 12/8/09
Storen does have good stuff...
….although I dunno that we’ll see him for sure this season, and much less that he’ll be closing.
But Storen is no Matzek, is no Shelby Miller, no Grant Green, no Jiovanni Mier. No club in their right mind would trade Aaron Crow, the pitcher that the Nats failed to sign in 2008, for Storen straight up.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
James another question for you
How would you compare Taillon to other HS studs from recent years? Like Jacob Turner, Tyler Matzek, Rick Porcello etc.
Do you think he’s above or below them based on talent?
Well, I'll get to Taillon...
….but for now, I’d put him a mite over Matzek and well ahead of Turner. I don’t think I was following the pre-draft closely enough to say re: Porcello.
He’s more talented than Matzek by a bigger margin if you ignore that Matzek is a lefty.
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Harper is going to be a tough signing
Unlike Strasburg, he has creditable leverage. It’s plausible that he could go back to JC given his youth whereas everybody knew Strasburg wasn’t going to go back to college.
Too sexy for my hurt.
I'm not sure about that
He sacrificed two years of HS to accelerate his schedule and maximize his value. If negotiations go that poorly and he (read: Boras) thinks he be more valuable returning to JC for a year, I suspect that’s what he’ll do.
this
He’ll be happy to go back to JC, mash the competition, and go back into the draft in 2011 instead of taking a low offer.
Too sexy for my hurt.
Or blowout both his knees an have Boras killed for ruining him.
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by Knubles and Bits on Apr 7, 2010 4:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Or blowout both his knees anD have Boras killed for ruining him.
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by Knubles and Bits on Apr 7, 2010 4:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Or blowout both his knees and have Boras killed for ruining him.
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by Knubles and Bits on Apr 7, 2010 4:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Or blowout both his knees and have Boras killed for ruining him.
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by Baltimo on Apr 7, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno
Like Strasburg, he has a ton to lose by not signing. Like Stras, his stock can only go down from here.
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Yep...
…but he’s the #1 talent in the draft. How much higher can he go?
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
wait until the #1 team is more willing to spend money
not saying i think its a good move, but that would be the reasoning
I’m talking about money. Stras wanted $40M but that was just ridiculous and everybody knew it because everybody knew he only had one year of college eligibility left. He wasn’t going back unless the Nats gave him a silly contract. With Harper, he could ask for something ridiculous and then simply not sign if he doesn’t get it. Unlike Stras, this threat of not signing is actually credible.
Too sexy for my hurt.
Define ridiculous
I’d pay $20-30 million for Harper easy.
And that’s the thing. Whoever picks Harper is basically already going to know Boras’ figure and be willing to pay it. I can’t see Harper ending up like Crow and not signing over a few hundred grand.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
What's the highest amount for a high school position player?
If that is a recent case, quadruple it, and I’d call that ridiculous.
Too sexy for my hurt.
I'll have to look that one up
Probably Justin Upton, but I’m not sure.
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I would mess my pants if he was still there for us at 3
Tallion seems like a good consolation though and he sounds more deserving than any prep pitcher last year.
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by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 7, 2010 2:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Exactly like that
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by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 7, 2010 2:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If Harper is available at #3, grab him.
Being a Boras client will make it expensive to sign him and that might keep Wash & Pitt from doing it. He looks like the best ballplayer available. Taillon doesn’t particularly blow me away and neither do any of the other pitchers, yet. It is early, though. Manny Machado intrigues me. Shortstop in Calif. high school. Not enough information about him yet, though.
I don't think the Pirates would ever touch Harper
But the fact that Washington paid Strasburg tells me that they’ll be willing to fork over for Harper as well.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Theres an argument for the opposite
Washington broke the bank for Strasburg, and would be reluctant to take on another huge rookie contract so soon.
I think the Nationals realized
That their franchise would collapse if they didn’t show both of the fans that they’re willing and wanting to get better.
There’s a chance that Washington bypasses Harper and then leans on their positive Strasburg PR, but I just don’t see that happening.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Don't forget the pirates signed Alvarez.
Even if it was a debacle.
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by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 7, 2010 3:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And they signed a bunch of later guys for over slot last year
They are no longer cheap
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by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 7, 2010 3:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The signing itself was
It went up to the last minute, then later they said they didn’t get it done in time and it was going to be voided, then they said oh wait that’s not true. It was just a lot of craziness if I remember correctly.
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This is true
As a player the signing was great for the pirates
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by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 7, 2010 4:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the pirates
Yeah, the Pirates do seem to have righted their ship since their new GM came on board. They seem to quietly have been accumulating a lot of international talent. Interestingly enough, their 2009 draft philosophy was very similar to the Orioles (close to slot early, overslot late). So the Pirates can draft a Boras client (Alvarez – which totally was a debacle!) or they can go spreadout their draft budget. In a sense they have been pretty flexible.
Good for them too. Their stadium is pretty awesome and their fans make it a nice environment. Of course they beat the Orioles twice in the world series, so eff em.
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Apr 7, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Which Pittsburgh only did because they took the most signable player on the board
With the fourth overall pick.
There’s a big difference between throwing the first round in order to sign guys over-slot and forking over $10 million+ for one player.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Where would we put him?
or was it mentioned in the article and I missed it?
In one game as a freshman at Miami, Wieters hit a two-run homer in the top of the ninth to put the Yellow Jackets ahead, then pitched the bottom of the ninth for the save. On that day, the God nickname was bestowed. - Sports Illustrated
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Apr 7, 2010 4:30 PM EDT reply actions
you mean position wise?
Who cares? He’s the best player in the draft.
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I think in the article
He said that having two catchers isn’t that big a deal. Especially because his bat will play anywhere. Also Harper is far enough away that worring about where he fits is not worth worrying about.
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by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 7, 2010 4:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This
The kid is 17. By the time he is ML ready, we either will be a couple years from (gulp) losing Wieters or we can start talking about preserving him with a move to 1st. Or we’ll have groomed Harper at a new position.
Who cares? If his bat is what it’s being touted as, bring him up and alternate him and Wieters b/t catcher and DH. Keep them both fresh and in the lineup every day.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
I think he's played literally every position over the past couple years
Get him in the system then figure it out
But Harper is a special, special bat which can play anywhere on the diamond, and has the defensive skills to contribute at right or third base easily.
Gammons used to be terrific in getting insider rumors and breaking signings. Today we have Robothal for this role.
Too sexy for my hurt.
All I really know about Gammons....
…is that he used to be the guy on Baseball Tonight who wasn’t Buster Olney who wasn’t a total moron.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Thank god for the MLB network. Even tho they have Harold Reynolds, still way better than Baseball Tonight.
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Apr 7, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Not just Rosenthal
I think now we have the internet for that. Gammon’s rumors were never particularly accurate, he was just had dozens of guys who would talk to him; and he would print whatever information he got.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Apr 7, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way, thanks everyone...
…for such a nice response to my first story!
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
except birdman
that jerk.
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Harper
would be amazing to get with our 1st pick. I’d just be overjoyed to get a bat in the 1st round and have it actually be the best player available (and perhaps the best overall in the draft). I’d be happy with Taillon as well, but Harper would just be awesome. I doubt it happens (how can Washington spend money to get the #1 pitcher one year then not spend the money to get him some support?) but i’d be overjoyed if he falls to us. If he gets past Washington I could definitely see Pitt passing on him. Here’s hoping.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!

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