Monday Bird Droppings
by duck on May 10, 2010 6:59 AM EDT
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PrintRecaps of yesterday's dispiriting loss can be found at The Sun, Orioles.com, MASN, and StarTribune.com.
Injured Johnson to visit Dr. Andrews | orioles.com: News
Orioles reliever Jim Johnson is seeing everyone's favorite surgeon, Dr. James Andrews. I'm sure it's nothing but good news! -duck
Orioles Insider: MacPhail not 'terribly worried' about Johnson
"The prognosis is that he probably needs to rest it a few weeks and then start a throwing program. There’s no need for surgery, which is good news on the first opinion. We’ll just get him back when he’s healthy. " -duck
With perfect game, A's Dallas Braden is making us believe in him - Joe Posnanski - SI.com
"Maybe the most important thing to know about perfect game pitcher Dallas Braden is this: He was never a prospect. Not ever. He was the 1,383rd player taken in the 2004 draft after he graduated from Alonzo Stagg High in Stockton, Calif." Not a game story, but a good read anyway. -duck
Orioles face stiff test in Mariners' Lee | MLB.com: News
"I think when things go bad, it has to run its course," said Dave Trembley. "Every ball you hit hard, somebody makes a play. You make a bad pitch, you pay for it. Every opportunity you don't cash in on somehow comes back to hurt you. That's just how the game is. There's not too many things that we're putting together collectively that are working in our favor right now. We came in here and we won two out of four, but we had an opportunity to win three out of four. I don't think anybody's satisfied with just winning two." -duck
Slumping lineup could soon see changes | orioles.com: News
You will probably see a few new names in the lineup on Tuesday. Roster moves, they are a-coming. -duck
Orioles Insider: Millwood likely for Thursday, Guthrie on Friday
"At this point, the Orioles are leaning toward bringing back Millwood on Thursday opposite Mariners ace Felix Hernandez, and then starting Guthrie on Friday against the Cleveland Indians." -duck
Commentary: New voice needed for Orioles - Carroll County Times
Here's another article calling for Trembley's head. The O's better have a good homestand or we're gonna see a lot more of these. -duck
Local Charity Groups Will Team With Orioles to Set World Jumping Jack Record - The Bradenton Times
"On Saturday, May 29, from 9:30-11:30 a.m., Ed Smith Stadium, the Orioles’ spring training home in Sarasota, will play host to an attempt at a Guinness World Record and also help to raise funds in the fight against breast cancer." -duck
LATE ADDITION: Stacey talks with Drew of WNST about "Free The Birds"
Stacey's not a big fan of the event (neither am I), but Drew Forrester and Stacey had a great talk about the event and the O's. Give it a listen.
MINOR LEAGUE NOTES: Tillman's big day (and Bowie's bad day) - MASNsports.com
Chris Tillman allowed just one run in 7 innings as Norfolk won, Zach Britton got beat up pretty good as Bowie lost, Billy Rowell hit a home run for Frederick and Tony Butler didn't do so hot for Delmarva. -duck
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Of the 17 perfect games in the modern era, two have come in the last two seasons-- and both against Da Rayz
What, you think I’m going somewhere with that? Nope. Nice job, Dallas Braden. That is all. Oh, and you gotta love his grandma:
“That said, Braden’s grandmother may have gotten the last word: ‘Let’s forget it, uh huh—and stick it, A-Rod,’ said a chuckling Peggy Lindsey, who was in the stands watching.”
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap;_ylt=AoY2bmzmgMq3750bBpgTleARvLYF?gid=300509111
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_game
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Sorry, but I can't help myself.
“Bord” Droppings?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I just saw it.
Man, 6:45 a.m. gets here WAY too fast.
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
pitcher's scouting report
Do the players read them? Does DT/TC not get them sent to their office? Why is it that these guys can hit one pitcher and 24 hours later look completely lost at the plate? We know they can hit. Are they not preparing at all for the game? What’s the deal?
In unrelated news, Koji’s Burns – 2, Opponents – 0
Stacey....
Your conversation with Drew this morning was fantastic. I loved that 2 people who passionately care about the Orioles had a calm rational discussion about their differences. Most of the time, people just yell for disagreeing with them. Thank you.
John S West Jr
by Adam double bubble on May 10, 2010 7:52 AM EDT reply actions
Thanks
I thought it was quite good myself. Definitely different than the usual conversation.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
I knew it was going to be good
when Drew didn’t yell at you when he asked why you weren’t on board with Save The O’s or whatever they call it. When he honestly wanted to know your opinion, my opinion of him went up. I’ve got to listen to the rest later, but I’m actually looking forward to it.
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
A general question?
I really don’t understand the dislike for WNST. We all feel anywhere from frustrated to almost hopeless when it comes to the Orioles. How they choose to show it isn’t particularly offensive to me. They are really pissed off. I feel that way sometimes. Other times, I feel a little more optimistic. And lets not forget, this team is really really bad. There is nothing wrong with saying “I am sick and tired of really bad baseball”
John S West Jr
by Adam double bubble on May 10, 2010 9:15 AM EDT reply actions
A lot of it is a direct result of reactions to the owner
Nestor Aparicio isn’t exactly beloved by all. And the station can be a bit relentless in its pursuit of grudges, far past their expected expiration date. OK, Nestor, you got your media credential yanked a few years ago. Let. It. Go. No one else cares.
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
What duck said
WNST has done a number of things to turn people off, including giving off a general impression that the things they do and say aren’t so much about loving the Orioles and wanting them to do better as pushing a personal agenda. For example, the thing they did last year with the $1 tickets was clearly done with the intention of trying to the make the Orioles look bad. Things like that don’t endear them to people.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
WNST doesn't bug me, but I rarely listen to any talk radio.
The original Free the Birds was a great event. According to Peter Schmuck, Angelos was very embarrassed by the stunt. I’d say that’s a positive. The O’s needed a shake up. They have systemic problems under Angelos that reached throughout the organization, down to its lowest levels. MacPhail basically said so. He was pretty blunt about the fact that the minors and international scouting were a mess, much less the big league team.
We’re still not sure where the team is headed under MacPhail. People assume he’s here to bring back some respectability. By most accounts that means be in the hunt for a playoff spot come September on a reasonably consistent basis (with the understanding there will be down years). The problem we are witnessing now is that it will take years to turn around a franchise as pitiful as the Orioles. We don’t really know how much better that has gotten. As fans, we just don’t know how far the Angelos/MacPhail tandem will take the team. It’s only been two years, and I suspect a lot of fans don’t trust that we’ll eventually see a respectable team. It’s not a stretch to assume that MacPhail’s primary goal is to cut payroll and try to just end the losing streak. The O’s problem is they’ve earned that distrust, and it will still take years to dispel. If you feel the need to vent, go buy a ticket and vent. I think green seats send a pretty clear message.
Nestor is an entrepreneur who has a niche feeding off the fans discontent and distrust. It’s been easy pickings. I understand he annoys people. If so, vote with your ears and don’t listen. The way I view it, the ball is in the Orioles court. As long as they stink, they feed Nestor and WNST. If the O’s get their act together and stop being pathetic, Nestor is left out in the cold.
What's clear to some people
I didn’t see it that way. What about seeing it the way they said they meant it. “Let’s all go to the game for $1, give $1 to Nick’s charity, and let the team know that if you put good product out there, we will come back” How does that look bad for the Orioles. It turns bad for the Orioles when they respond they way they did. It is well within the Orioles grasp, and just think about this for one second. What if the Orioles said “Thank you, how can we accomadate you are your large group of fans” Why is that reaction impossible? It shouldn’t be. It should be their reaction. And I thank WNST for pushing those type of issues.
This is actually pretty easy. Look at how the Ravens do things, and then directly compare that to the Orioles. Specifically when it comes to fans. It would have been easy, real easy, to say last year “Thank you, how can we help”
John S West Jr
by Adam double bubble on May 10, 2010 9:50 AM EDT reply actions
Oh give me a break
WNST, which has a history of hostility towards Orioles management, proposes an event where they want to basically give away a bunch of the Orioles’ tickets for free, and you’re saying that because the Orioles didn’t say, “thank you”, they mishandled it?
What planet are you living on?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Exactly
The O’s were already giving out a limited number of $1 tickets. Nestor and his gang basically demanded that they get as many $1 tickets as they want. The O’s said no, so he went on a little bitch fit and spun it as the O’s being greedy and out of touch. They didn’t have to sell any at a buck in the first place. Fuck you, Nestor.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
This is what didn't happen this morning
When Stacey and Drew talked this morning, it didn’t degenerate into this. That’s why I liked it so much. Sorry for expecting the same here.
John S West Jr
by Adam double bubble on May 10, 2010 9:58 AM EDT reply actions
If we'd been talking about that tickets thing
It would have degenerated. A reputable business that actually wants to have an event that raises money for a charity through an existing promotion with the Orioles doesn’t just announce what they’re doing without working with the other organization. It doesn’t dictate terms to the Orioles on how they will pay for the tickets, how the Orioles WILL honor it, etc.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
I just see it differently
I don’t see either WNST or the Orioles are being right on all issues. On the ticket fiasco last year, I don’t agree with you guys. No bad feelings, however it was well within the Orioles to take that situation last year and do something different than they did. Like say “Thank you, what can we do to make your trip to the yard more enjoyable” Why is that reaction not expected? Just to review, they are the ones putting out a product that is embarrising.
John S West Jr
by Adam double bubble on May 10, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say either was right on all issues
I think that the Orioles have done plenty of questionable things and I think that they have done plenty to alienate the fan base, the most egregious of which being their on field product. I also don’t think that everything WNST does is wrong and I’ve never said so.
As for the tickets thing, well it was one of the most transparent ploys I’ve ever seen. They put the Orioles in a place where they had to turn the station down. You don’t go on your website and dictate terms to an organization like that when you legitimately want to run a promotion and support a charity.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
by Stacey on May 10, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So, guys. 3E1N.
His sinker is officially back. Or, at least, it was for his last start. I thought it was just from watching the game, but the PitchF/X data confirms it. Look at the top-left chart here. If you haven’t looked at these charts before, this particular one displays pitch movement from the catcher’s perspective.
The blue dots represent his sinker. Notice how they’re all clustered around the x-axis (0 on the vertical movement scale)? Compare that to any of his other starts this year and look where his fastballs are — they’re always significantly higher up. His latest start is the only one in which he seems to be getting consistent sink.
One thing I’m not sure about is all the four-seam fastballs it shows him throwing in his other starts. I don’t know whether he often does throw a lot of four-seamers, or if those are largely two-seamers that didn’t sink. Either way, though, I’m excited… as much as what we really need is for the offense to pick it up, having Bergy back to form will at least make one set of half-innings more fun to watch. I just hope I’m not going to be horribly disappointed during his next start.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
good to see
If he can keep that up a few more times I’ll be a believer. He’s gotta start striking a few guys out, though.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
Ha!
That would be the most ridiculous thing ever.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Ooh, let's make it even better.
They’re all lazy comebackers. Emphasis on lazy; I don’t want Bergy having a heart attack or anything.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Man.
I still feel slightly ill if I think about that too much. I was watching on TV as it happened, and it just sounded awful.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Does anyone remember seeing Mussina get hit in the face live on tv?
Now THAT makes me ill just thinking about it. The blood just poured out of his nose like it was a faucet. I thought his career was over.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
I don't remember it,
but I apparently did see it when it happened. I had been pitching on one of my local kids’ teams, and according to my mom, I really didn’t want to anymore after that happened.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Wasn't it
Sandy Alomar, Jr.? And for some reason I swear that the ball that hit him ended a no-hit bid. Or am I crazy?
by TerroristFistJab on May 11, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
It was Sandy, but that wasn't the no-hitter he ended
Equally frustrating were Mussina’s string of near no-hitters. On May 30, 1997 he retired the first 25 Cleveland Indians before catcher Sandy Alomar, Jr. lined a single to left field with one out in the ninth, denying him what would have been the first perfect game in franchise history. (The following May, Alomar would drill a single that hit just below Mussina’s right eye, bloodying his face, fracturing his nose and sending him to the DL for three weeks.)
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
Ahh...
Wow, the years do run together, don’t they? Screw Sandy, that bastard!
by TerroristFistJab on May 11, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Carl Everett
sucked for a ton of reasons. But at least he provided us with some laughs, especially for his whole “I don’t believe in Dinosaurs” routine.
by TerroristFistJab on May 11, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I general enjoy his ridiculousness, but him ruining Mussina’s perfect game in 2001 made me hate him. Even though Moose was on the MFY by then…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
True...
But by that point Moose had 88.5 million reasons not to cry about it.
by TerroristFistJab on May 11, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
A kid that I've coached for 4 years got hit in the face on Friday night
Broken orbital, broken nose, stitches, and concussion. Not a good way to celebrate signing your letter of intent for college. Good kid too. Worse than the blood was the sound…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
i didnt see it
i was listening to it on the radio cuz i was really young and had a bedtime when that happened. you could hear the CRACK on the radio when the ball hit his face. horrifying.
by twistedlogic on May 10, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
And that's why a lot of youth softball pitchers
wear facemasks now, including my daughter. Baseball, you’re 55 feet or so away when you release the ball, in softball it’s less than 35 feet. Wonder if we’ll start seeing youth baseball pitchers wearing masks….
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
Hell, hockey goalies didn't wear masks not to long ago...
That’s one of those big changes that might happen during our lifetime. It might take someone being VERY seriously hurt or even killed on the mound, but we could see pitchers wearing cages at the MLB level at some point. When balls are coming off the bats a 103 MPH and you’re still finishing your pitching motion, things can get ugly real quick.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
wood bats in youth/high school baseball would aslo help
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
This...
A year or two after I graduated the MPSSAA mandated that aluminum bats couldn’t have a length/weight difference larger than three, which was good. I used to hit with a 34/29 that gave me freakish plate coverage.
I’m all for high schools switching to the composite bats, which are more durable than wood and don’t send baseballs out like Jamie Walker Rocketships. Now the NCAA has no excuse for not switching to wood.
by TerroristFistJab on May 11, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah they switched form -5 to -3 between my sophomore and junior years. It took a few months to get used to it, but the bats are still really absurd.
Composite bats would save everybody some cash, but they really don’t feel the same. I hated hitting with them in wood bat summer leagues. They have a plastic feel.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Agreed...
I played in Prince George’s County, so we could pretty much get away with using the heaviest, longest bats possible as we weren’t seeing a lot of guys throwing faster than 65 – 75mph, and hittable pitches were sometimes few and far between.
The ball doesn’t “jump” off of a composite bat, even when hitting it on the sweet spot, which is good in some ways (from a safety standpoint), but it does feel strange.
by TerroristFistJab on May 11, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that was the one bad thing about the last start. Though I’m not too worried about that… yet. He did throw almost nothing but sinkers… I think maybe two sliders all game, judging from the charts. He got a decent number of Ks on his slider last year, so hopefully he can re-introduce that for this next start and it’ll be effective, at least against the righties.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Who is going to Norfolk?
Montenez, Reimold, Scott or Jones? Right now, I hope its Jones. I think his ego needs a little adjusting, along with some teaching on how to not swing at the balls outside in the dirt. With Jones having the highest upside, I hope a 15 day trip to Norfolk could adjust what he needs to adjust, because this team really needs him to play closer to his potential then he has demonstrated so far this year.
John S West Jr
by Adam double bubble on May 10, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions
The problem with demoting Jones...
….continues to be that we don’t have another center fielder on the 40-man roster.
And at the end of the day, I see that as the major problem. No matter who they would like to demote, they are very limited in who they can promote. Bell and Snyder aren’t ready. Patterson and Salazar aren’t on the 40-man. Neither is Andino.
I expect that we may see Montanez DFA’d (he’ll probably go unclaimed), and maybe Pedro Viola (who has been atrocious since we took him on waivers). Which gives us a spot for Patterson or Salazar.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Pedro Florimon, Jr could be moved off the 40 man
and with his numbers at Bowie, I doubt anyone takes him. C-Pat could be added and brought up.
But the idea of C-Pat on this team saddens me. It’s like 207 all over again, like Stacey said this morning on WNST.
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
I doubt Florimon will be DFA'd
I think that the club still wants to give him more time.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Just as a procedural move
I don’t think they want to cut him loose, just get him off the 40-man
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
The other problem is
do we really think it will help? Are there things Adam can learn in AAA that he can’t learn here? If he’s having trouble hitting, don’t you want him working with (who the Orioles think) is the best hitting coach for the job and not with the minor league coaches? I don’t know, honestly.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
I want him working on taking and identifying pitches
in games that don’t count in the standings.
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
sure if that didn't mean
Corey Patterson was in a lineup for games that do count in the standings. What’s the difference?
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
Well, the difference is that this year's games don't really count at all
But not having to worry about stats could help Jones. But at this point, my worry is that going to AAA would allow Jones to coast on talent and think he’s improved without actually doing so.
At some level, by the way, I find it a bit disturbing that we’re showing more loyalty to Crowley than to the players. If they aren’t hitting, I think we fire Crow before we demote key players.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I'm starting to think
that everybody’s just afraid to fire him, largely because he’s been here so long. Though if they did, that might really depress Pie, and I don’t wanna make Felix sad… but, meh, he’d get over it, and the team needs to hit.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Felix will have a lot of time for the five stages of grief...
…before he’s in a uniform again.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
/sigh
Don’t remind me.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
i was thinking about all the attention that Jones is getting for swinging at bad pitches, particularly down and away
We’ve talked about it here for a long time and we are really starting to hear it from Trembley, MacPhail, and even Jones himself. At this point it seems like he is never going to stop swinging at those pitches so I’d kind of rather the club start working with him on adjusting his swing to make contact with them. You see guys like Ichiro and mother-fucking-Jeter get opposite-field base hits all the time on horrible pitches way out of the strike zone.
Obviously that plays into his well discussed problem of trying to hit a home run every time he swings.
also, what makes me feel pessimistic about Jones
is that he’s not really even hitting the ball well when he gets out. It just seems like a soft-ground ball every time. Even some of the hits he has had recently have been weak ground balls that either squeak through, or are so weak he gets to first before the ball does.
Early in the seaon i seem to recall Tejada’s average being low, but it wasn’t so worrisome cause he was lining out most at bats and you know those will eventually start falling in.
I don't think demoting Jones will do much good
I don’t think that the minors can teach him anything, and I think he’s showing signs of improvement. Same with Reimold, who is starting to look healthy. Jones has shown a decent bit of improvement over his last 10 games, doubling his walk total and bringing his line drive % above 20%. His BABIP is crawling up towards his career norms as well.
I think Montanez is the obvious candidate to go. Maybe Atkins too, who is a sunk cost at this point.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Atkins may be salvagable
Check his numbers for the last week. The Titanic takes a while to turn around, you know.
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
Atkins is not salvagable
He’s terrible. A handful of hits doesn’t change that.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
He batted .091 last week
Yeah, I think they’ve watched some video.
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
He has a gigantic upper cut
probably didn’t take very much video watching to catch up.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I didn't say he'd be good
I said salvagable.
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
Eh
Sure, he hit .318 last week. Of course, he did so with a .389 BABIP, an ISO of .045 (which was actually worse than his ISO in April), and with an actual decrease in his line drive %. All while seeing less than four pitches per plate appearance.
So, yeah, he got some hits. But his components are actually getting worse.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
What the HELL is ISO?
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
Isolated power
Slugging minus batting average.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Too many stats in this world, I swear....
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
True but...
….it matters that Atkins has hit for less power than everyone on our team besides Lou, Izzy, Lugo and Hughes.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I agree
I think he needs to study the opposing pitchers more to learn what their pitches are, how they release the ball, etc. And he needs to do this against the ML pitchers. He will began to hit again. Moving him down in the lineup will take a little pressure off and I think he will be able to relax at the plate more.
when you say will it really help -
do you mean Adam Jones, or the O’s?
Adam Jones – I don’t know.
The Orioles? Definitely not… I know EVERYONE keeps saying it, but it’s absolutely true – we have no one ready to come up!
I’m still counting on Jones to snap out of this bullshit.
at the same time,
it’s pretty much a given at this point that the season is lost and there actually may possibly be some long term benefit to having Jones go to AAA for a little bit even if it means 2007 all over again with Corey Patterson.
Jones hasn't been good
but if they demote Jones and keep Montanez up thats just stupid. His OPS is .253
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 10, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Stacey, I seriously don't know how you can talk all fancy like that before 8am.
Kudos.
"Did you notice nobody could catch me? I think I even gave them a little [Deion Sanders] into the dugout. Once I started high-stepping, they weren't going to catch me." -- Prime Time Ty Wigginton
lol what is that quote?
that’s hysterical.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
OK, help me out here
I don’t see a correlation between the linked story and what 2632 or Stacey wrote
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
my sig.
"Did you notice nobody could catch me? I think I even gave them a little [Deion Sanders] into the dugout. Once I started high-stepping, they weren't going to catch me." -- Prime Time Ty Wigginton
I thought she was talking about your comment, not your sig
And yeah, summer break can’t get here fast enough.
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
out of curiosity
Is there an ignore/block function on SBN’s website? If not, what’s the email address so I can put in a suggestion?
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
well
your little “i actively avoid all discussions with osfan21, but still post responses to all of his comments and whine about him mentioning those comments” routine is really getting old.
by twistedlogic on May 10, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
and this concerns you why?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
cuz i was already in the argument that birdman augmented with useless bickering
by twistedlogic on May 10, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
see, i don't see what he was doing as useless bickering
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
This is actually the problem I have.
Birdman and I were arguing in a very similar manner on the other thread, but it seems like because he took your side of the argument you’re all over me.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
yeah, well,
mods are gonna take sides in arguments. not everything is always going to be an even keel. that’s life.
what happened above didn’t happen in the other thread, it happened in this thread, and i’m not going to stand for someone carrying shit from elsewhere into here.
drop it.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
But what exactly do you think Birdman was doing if not carrying shit from elsewhere into here???
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
can't tell if you really don't get it, or if you are just dying to provoke me.
either way, it doesn’t really matter.
so take a little vacation.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
actually i posted it here because i was trying to STOP carrying shit from elsewhere. i wanted to ask my question w/o the baggage of the context from the other thread and, as i said below, I think the block function has legitimate uses. obviously i did not succeed. i’ll take responsibility for that and i apologize.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
because i'm a mod.
everything on this site concerns me.
is your “better question” answered now?
birdman asked a legitimate question above, and twisted logic attacked him. it’s my responsibility to take note.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Well my point was
why, as a mod, would you ask a question like that when it would obviously just keep a debate going that had died (in your absence) already?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I don't mean to open up this discussion again
But it concerns zk because it’s happening on CC. I’m not getting power trippy or anything, but that is the simple truth. Every post and comment on CC concerns me and duck and zk.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
by Stacey on May 10, 2010 5:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sure
but I don’t think he was asking out of honest concern for an answer.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Tell ya what
I was. And at this point, I doubt your sincerity just as much.
And you’re coming pretty close to breaking Rule #8. So drop it. COnsider this a warning.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
I'm going to totally ignore this comment....
right after I post 63 responses to it.
What kind of person needs an ignore/block function? Have a little self restraint and do it yourself, man!
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
The thing is that you post here A LOT. Which is cool man, I don’t want to discourage you posting here alot. I want you to enjoy the community here. But given the amount you post here, it would be nice for other users to filter out content I mean it’s hard to read any long conversation w/o your involvement.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
dude half of my posts in these long conversations are responses to your posts – do you think I’m talking to myself over on the other thread???
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
really it's comical
for you to be bitching and moaning about my posts on this thread while at the same time responding to every single one of them in the other thread.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
You know what?
I’m gonna quote “Shaun of the Dead” here:
“Will everybody….chill the F—- OUT?”
Seriously. It’s starting read like the conversations in my high school’s hallway. I’m beginning to be convinced Open Threads are a bad idea. If they are going to be clogged on a daily basis with borderline personal attacks, well, this is why we can’t have nice things.
Here’s a thought – if you don’t like someone and/or their opinion…
Ignore them. That’s all.
This constant bickering and arguining is tiresome. I honestly couldn’t care less if the three people involved don’t like each other, and I’m guessing the majority of the peopl eo Camden Chat don’t care, either. There’s 6 billion of us on the planet, chances are, you aren’t going to like everyone.
Handle it like adults, please.
And Stacey, if it’s cool with you, warnings to ALL involved will start coming fast and furious.
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
And I swear, if ANYONE posts ANYTHING
that comes anywhere close to “He started it!”, bannings will ensue.
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
It's not open threads
It happens everywhere.
Warn as you see fit.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
Cool, thanks
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
i have an idea
why dont we all HARDEN THE FUCK UP
by twistedlogic on May 10, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
(i'm doing my doing my derek jeter fist pump right)
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
or quite possible
the joba chamberlain fist pump
by twistedlogic on May 10, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Not the Brian Bass fish pump?
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
dude that comment was gold
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
My suggestion is to just ignore it
And I mean, actually ignore it so that you’re not tempted to respond and therefore make the conversation even more drawn out.
When people get going back and forth on ridiculous things I just ignore them. I mean, I skim them because I have to, but when I see a new comment in a thread that I know has gone down that path, I know better than to think it’s anything I’ll be interested in. Just gotta let it roll.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
You have more patience than I do.
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
Well I just think
that if people actually ignored stuff, there would be less and less of those kind of things happening in the first place.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
Plus, the block function would have a lot of normal, efficient usage. If there’s a 100 comments and you know you can filter out the comments half of them through the block function, it makes surfing through the website easier.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
One of the arguments about the ignore/block function
is one that I wholly agree with. Let’s say there are four people on CC who constantly post inane, idiotic things so all of the members put them on ignore and those four go on their merry way bickering and arguing and saying the dumbest shit in history. No regulars know because they’ve blocked them. Meanwhile some new people come to the blog, see all kinds of ridiculousness going unchecked by the community and say to themselves, “This is just like Yahoo boards, screw this,” and leave, never to come back.
You might not care about that, but I do. I care how this community looks to other people and I always want new people to feel welcome (provided those new people aren’t morons).
With no ignore function, we might still get the imbeciles, but you’ll also have intelligent, established members of the community giving counterpoint to it and hopefully 1) straightening those people out or 2) running them off.
I know that simply disliking what people have to say is totally different, but the ignore function would still facilitate all that.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
oh you mean like the guy who kept saying the redskins were a more quality franchise than the o's
and basically insinuated duck was an asshole who doesnt pay debts etc?
by twistedlogic on May 10, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Gee, thanks for the memories.... :)
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
And for the record...
I do pay my debts. :)
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
well i'm sure we'll see whatever his name is in october
WHEN WE MISS THE PLAYOFFS AGAIN. SEE YOU IN REDSKINS LAND SUCKERS!!!! AHAHAHAHA!
by twistedlogic on May 10, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
No regulars know because they’ve blocked them. Meanwhile some new people come to the blog, see all kinds of ridiculousness going unchecked by the community and say to themselves, "This is just like Yahoo boards, screw this," and leave, never to come back.
Right, no regulars would know but I think that should be fine. If you’re mod though, you should not have the right to use the block function for the reasons you just mentioned.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
So I just have to deal with all the bullshit on my own?
Gee, thanks.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
with great power comes great responsibility
but yeah, i would like to pass that off to someone else. sounds lazy on my part i know.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
It takes a village, birdman!
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
That's apparently not working nor is it likely to take place
USE IT!
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
I'm not trying to be an asshole
but why would anybody get banned or warned for having a normal discussion in which they respond to things that other people have said to them?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Seriously, just stop now.
DROP IT.
If such behavior continues, it will, from this point forward, result in warnings and bannings. I’m not getting into who started what.
Whether it’s the person who initiated the exchange or responds, all involved in such comments will be warned and or banned.
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
dude
I wasn’t trying to get into a who started it discussion – I was just saying I don’t see how responses that don’t violate any CC rules would warrant a warning or banning.
I think you’re right that we all need to chill the fuck out.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Yes, I think chilling out is in order
by everyone here.
Let’s all be happy! The Orioles woo!
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
My issue with the entire thing
Is that in a lot of instances (such as the one in that I’m not judgin’ dude’s thread which i really should have deleted), it all comes down to two people saying the exact same thing over and over to each other. If two people are actually having a conversation I could give a shit if it’s something that I don’t care about. But when it devolves into what it is now, all it takes is one person decided to not respond and it would be over. But instead we’re all treated to ridiculousness.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
But instead we’re all treated to ridiculousness.
Yeah, I agree, I’ll see conversations posted that I’m involved in and I’m like shit, that’s time spent that I’ll never get back again. I will say that I requested the block function because I do think it has legitimate uses.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
It could still be deleted
…i’mjustsayin
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
Yeah, I agree
It’s just that other website have the block function so I figured I would ask about it. Sorry about causing a ruckus.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
There is not an ignore function
If you want to suggest one, try support@sbnation.com. But I can tell you it has been broached before and they don’t seem like they’re interested.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
What would be better
would be negative recs or something like that . “This comment has bee de-rec’d below the viewing threshold. Click here to see it.” Etc. But maybe they’re only trying to use positive metrics to measure comment quality. Always lookin’ on the bright side of life and all that.
Also
perhaps they are afraid of people abusing the de-rec function. I think I’d abuse the shit out of it, personally.
Well there is the flag feature
Currently if a comment or post gets two flags, we’ll get notified to come take a look at it. But that’s really for things that are totally inappropriate or the like, not just stupid comments. I think the idea is to try to have a community where stupid stuff is organically weeded out. Which, a lot of the really stupid stuff has been. As for people who just don’t get along, what are you gonna do.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
i just flagged you
for not knowing there was a flag feature :-)
although they didn’t have any good title for you, so i just flagged you as a troll for the heck of it.
by twistedlogic on May 10, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
An appropriate and accurate flag
Lookin’ through my comment history, I talk a lot more shit than stats. Sry :(
yea COME ON
know the resources available to you! you troll!
by twistedlogic on May 10, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
So, uh
now that we’ve taken a look under the hood, maybe you can answer something I’ve always wondered:
When someone is banned, what keeps them from creating coming back? Is the IP address banned? What happens if it’s a shared computer?
Nothing
They can just create a new user name, and if they do and don’t cause any trouble, I’m happy to have them back. Good for them for learning their lesson. If they do cause trouble, I can see in their user profile other screen names that have logged on wtih the same IP address and know not to give them much leeway.
We can IP ban people but only do it in extreme instances because of the case of shared IPs, especially on college campuses and such where you’ll have a ton of people possibly using the same IP on occasion.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
like "jaysfan99"
he just cleverly renamed himself “jaysfan98” when he came back
by twistedlogic on May 10, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
wait up...
is that the john gibbons guy? i could use an appearance from that cat. like, one day a year.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 10, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
nah
he was the “AARON HILL IS THE BEST 2B IN BASEBALL” guy
by twistedlogic on May 10, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
ah...
nonetheless, an individual w/ way out and wrong views on american baseball. far out.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 10, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
that would be fun
They could turn those comments red instead of green. I have a feeling we would be seeing much more red than green though.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 10, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
well you can set the number of recs needed to turn it green
so i’m sure you’d be able to do the same with the negative recs. it’d be fun to turn everything red tho.
by twistedlogic on May 10, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not a fan of negative recs
it’ll bring out the attention whores.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
i'm thinking of one in particular
although she’s only seen on the eagles blogs now….
by twistedlogic on May 10, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if I'm down with the negative recs...
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
Hey, let's talk about baseball
So, it seems to me obvious that Atkins isn’t working, that Snyder isn’t going to be ready soon, and that Hughes isn’t the answer. So, what are some ideas?
I think we could look into acquiring Alex Gordon from the Royals, who they are clearly done with. Kevin Millar would probably come back and be no worse than Atkins but more fun to have around. Daniel Murphy of the Mets is another guy with some potential whose time with his current team is short due to Ike Davis. Any other suggestions?
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
wouldn't be opposed to gordon
but i still have two words: joey and votto.
by twistedlogic on May 10, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
With the Reds in 2nd place...
…I dunno that Votto can be had. I think they are more likely to deal Alonso.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
not the nearby alonso...
but the yonder alonso, i reckon.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 10, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you do a Britton for Alonso?
Thats probably close to the price tag unfortunately.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 10, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends...
….I’d need to know if the club feels he’s going to step it up this year or if they think he’s peaked. I’m not qualified to judge, and Britton is probably our pitcher whose value is most volatile.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Its really hard to say
I’d love to have a talent like Alonso, but I really like all the pitching prospects we have. We’re going to need a steady flow of good pitching to succeed
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 10, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see any way they do that
Alonso is a much higher rated prospect
not that much dude
The difference between #45 and #60 on BA’s list isn’t really that huge. Britton was a B by sickels and Alsonso was a B+. I’ll agree that he’s higher rated but its not that far off and is the most equal pitching prospect in terms of value.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 10, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Aren't those guys mostly pretty mediocre though?
Would it be worth giving anything for them, especially when we’re already paying for Atkins? I think unless the alternative is significantly better than Atkins it doesn’t make sense to give up anything for it and pay for more mediocrity on top of Atkins’ deal.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
doesnt atkins suck ass tho?
mediocre is an upgrade!
by twistedlogic on May 10, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean I guess it could be.
It would just have to be enough of an upgrade to justify whatever we have to give up and whatever we have to pay on top of Atkins’ contract. I’m just not sure any of those guys are big enough upgrades to justify that.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
guess it depends on what we're giving up
nobody in their right mind would take atkins, but i’d be all for packaging him with someone else to get a better 1b.
by twistedlogic on May 10, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, Gordon and Murphy have potential...
…they would be reclamation projects, and pretty cheap to acquire. And Millar would play for the minimum, I expect.
There is mediocrity, meanwhile, and absolute suckitude. Atkins is the latter. The others, probably at worst the former.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
True
but Atkins was supposed to be a reclamation project too. What do you think we’d have to give up for Gordon or Murphy?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
some kind of prospect
isn’t gordon supposed to be the youth answer in KC or am i thinking of somebody else?
by twistedlogic on May 10, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the shine is gone on him in KC
I just don’t know if it’s worth any kind of prospect to acquire a currently failed prospect just to fill a gap for a season that doesn’t really matter. I’d rather just bumble through this year and keep our prospects for a trade that makes us better for the long run or good enough to help us on their own with free agent signings.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
It depends on what you'd give up
If it took the equivalent of Garrett Olson I’d do it in a heartbeat.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
Brandon Snyder maybe?
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 10, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a good question
would it be worth Brandon Snyder if they would take that?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Yeah I'd say no to that
Snyder is only 23 and struggling this year so far but he was quite good last year.
How about Troy Patton? Do we think he’ll ever be anything?
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
How about Troy Patton? Do we think he’ll ever be anything?
It depends on Patton’s health. If he’s healthy and still sucking, maybe. If he’s not healthy, I don’t think the Royals will want hi many anyways. And there’s no way in hell I would give up Synder for Gordon. Synder has potential upside, Gordon doesn’t. He’s a stone glover at 3B and his bat is average when he’s healthy.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
although...
they do have a surplus of gigantic, mashing 1Bs. kila? shealy? billy butler? am i missing one?
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 10, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I would do it in a heart beat
But i’m not big on Snyder, hes had one impressive year and a bunch of uninspiring ones.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 10, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh
You don’t sell low, IMO. Snyder has three years to improve his value and is very young and has a decent ceiling.
Guys like Zagone don’t have much ceiling, and are probably as valuable now as they will ever be. Sell what is unlikely to appreciate.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I agree
But I think its still selling highish on him. I try to not let one year change my opinion too much either way on a player, which is why i am still not sold on Snyder.
I still believe Gordon can become a productive MLB 1B, he’s still young-ish and injuries have played a major part in slowing him down now.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 10, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Atkins and Gordon are the same
I’d compare Gordon more to Felix Pie. He’s not out of options (evidenced by the fact he was just sent down) but he’s been given the business by the Royals and no real chance to do prove anything. Which is ludicrous considering the position the Royals are in.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
Hard to say
Gordon might be cheaper than Murphy at this point. I’d think a decent bullpen arm and a low end pitching prospect or two would get it done. Something like Johnson if he comes back plus Zagone/Drake/Beal.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Would you make that deal?
and if so, would it be with an eye towards the future or towards filling a gap (Atkins) for this year? As long as the motivation is making the team better in the long run I’d be all for it. I think any moves meant to improve the team for this year that involve prospects (or anything close to a prospect) wouldn’t make sense.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I think it would be a good move
Gordon still has a lot of potential and the skills that made him a #2 overall pick, and is 4 or 5 years from free agency. We have nothing better to do than to play him and hope we can turn him around. And nothing that I’m talking about is all that valuable; Johnson even at his best is a one inning 7th or 8th inning guy and the rest are all low minors arms without ace stuff. We have tons of low minors starting pitching depth. We can afford to spend some on trying to build a good offense on the cheap.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
True
I would just hate to see Johnson or one of those low minors arms without ace stuff turning into a good starter while Gordon continues to suck and we release him in a few years. That’s my worry.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I'd love to get Alex Gordon
I don’t know if he’ll turn out, but the Royals have clearly misused and abused him. He’d be worth a shot for sure. He seems like a classic change of scenery guy, when change of scenery actually means “place where people will stop fucking with Alex Gordon and replacing him with Chris Getz.”
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
Gordon is not available, so claims Jayson Stark
The question came up in his Friday chat on ESPN.
The Jays are in need of a 3B and have a glut of pitching. I think Gordon to Toronto makes sense no?
Jayson Stark (1:45 PM)
Let me repeat what I just wrote about three minutes ago: Alex Gordon no longer projects as a big-league third baseman. Maybe firt. Maybe the outfield. And maybe he’ll never hit enough to play anywhere every day. But he’s not a solution — for the Blue Jays or anyone else — at third base. Oh, and one more thing: The Royals have told everyone who called this week that he’s not available.
I'm ready for a straight jacket. - Joe Angel, 4/17/10 (O's record: 1-11)
by Eat More Esskay on May 10, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Weird
if all that negative stuff that Stark says about Gordon were true (that he’s no longer a big league 3Bman and may not really project anywhere), then why wouldn’t the Royals be listening to all offers for him?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Because this Royals organization...
…more than anything else hates admitting they were wrong.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I don’t know if he’ll turn out, but the Royals have clearly misused and abused him.
How? They brought him up too early? Otherwise, I don’t think the Royals have done anything terrible to Gordon.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
Well he's had injury issues that have kept him out
which obviously has nothing to do with the Royals, but when he’s been healthy this year, instead of giving him the opportunity to show what he can do, they bench their #2 overall pick because there is no playing time for him? Royals Review offers ways of getting him playing time here.
Meanwhile in 2008, when he was healthy enough to play an entire year, Alex Gordon wasn’t bad. But instead of seeing what he can do now, they bench him? When their roster is just littered with guys who are complete garbage, they write off a guy who might actually be able to help them. It’s absurd.
Gordon, even a disappointing Gordon, is one of the better players on this team. Of course, the Royals insist they are not giving up on Gordon. No, they are sending him down so they can get the unseen value of Chris Getz into the daily lineup ("It may not be those standout things like a double in the gap or the great diving play every night," Royals manager Trey Hillman told the Star’s Bob Dutton, "but he’s going to turn the double play. He’s going to range up and the middle and, especially, into the 4-3 hole"). If you put Getz at second, you have to move Alberto Callaspo to third, that way you can keep Scott Podsednik in left, and Rick Ankiel in center when he gets healthy, and Jose Guillen at DH … see, the Royals have no choice! This isn’t just rearranging furniture on the Titanic. It’s rearranging furniture on the Titanic to make room for the wagon wheel coffee table.
Really that whole thing is worth reading, but that’s the general gist.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
by Stacey on May 10, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it took them 31 ab's this year to write him off
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 10, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Makes us look patient with Pie last year...
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
I agree that sending down after 31 ABs is ridiculous.
Before this year though, I don’t have a problem with how the Royals have handled Gordon.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
I'm guessing you would know this
Any blocked 1B prospects out there> Who do the Cardinals have at 1B in AAA? Yankees? Boston?
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
The big name is Alonso in Cincy
Anderson and Rizzo in Boston, Chris Carter in Oakland as long as Barton is hitting, Logan Morrison or Gaby Sanchez in Florida, and Ryan Strieby in Detroit.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
So, who do we target, and any guesstimates on cost?
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
Well, target them all...
…but I can give my set of expectations. Don’t dangle anything more than Wiggy and maybe Luke if he heats up to Boston, and expect nothing. We match up terribly with Oakland, so I wouldn’t expect anything there. If the Tigers are contending but have a gap on their roster we can fill, we could maybe get Strieby for half a season of the Mentor. If they aren’t contending, Strieby probably won’t be dealt.
I think the real opportunities lie with Cincy and Florida. Both causes can be helped, I think, in multiplayer deals where we take on salary. Reds would probably like to dump Harang or Arroyo’s deal, and need left field, shortstop, and a leadoff hitter, as well as a better and cheaper back end of the rotation. Getting some combination of Alonso, Arroyo/Harang, and perhaps Homer Bailey for some combination of Reimold/Florimon/Guthrie/Arrieta/Erbe/Rosa/Avery would be what I’d look into.
Florida would probably be either a deal of low minors guys for Morrison or Sanchez or something where we take Uggla off their hands and get the 1b as an add-in. In either case, we’re probably talking entirely about young starting pitching from our end.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Forgot to mention...
….David Hernandez would be interesting I think to both Cincy and Florida.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Do you think anything decent can come from Guthrie/Millwood in a trade?
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 10, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely
Guthrie is pretty good and still under contract for two seasons. And Millwood is pretty good and has an expiring contract.
These kinds of solid, unspectacular back end of the rotation guys always move at the deadline. And considering the AL East factor, particularly NL teams will see upside in Guthrie.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
What do you think we look for in return
B prospect for either? High upside young players or low ceiling but ready to contribute now types?
I wouldnt mind seeing them try for somebody who can help contribute now in the bullpen or something like that personally.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 10, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I think almost all bullpen arms are worthless
Outside of the absolute elite, I don’t see the point in them.
It depends on the market. There is no need to trade Guts, so I only do it in the right deal. Millwood is a guy that I look at the market. Who are the teams looking for starting pitching at the deadline and what do they have?
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Thankfully, the Dodgers disagreed with you last year
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
I can agree with that
But i think there is something to be said for a decent cheap bullpen that you create by taking a bunch of C+ starting pitching prospects and making them relievers. It keeps you from having to try and sign relievers in FA to sucky deals.
But you’re right, you take the most talent from the other team regardless of position.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 10, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree...
…but we do a decent enough job of that without trading for it.
Hendo is a decent reliever. So is Berken. So will Hernandez be, in all likelihood. Gonzalez we’re stuck with. Simon could turn into a decent reliever. Ohlman was a minor league free agent. And soon enough, the dregs of Tillman/Arrieta/Erbe could be in the pen too.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
point taken
you’re right, we’re going to have plenty of those types
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 10, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm telling you
Guts is going to the Mets. I’ve seen it in my dreams. It’s gonna happen. Huge park, pitching-deficient team, and they have SS prospects behind Reyes. It’s perfect.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
I'd want more than Ruben Tejada...
…but the Mets could work for me.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
You think Wilmer Flores is out of our reach?
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
To elaborate
He’s only 18 and at A ball, but he’s a pretty well regarded prospect all around. I guess since he’s so young the Mets probably don’t want to part with him. Just a thought though.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
Flores is interesting...
…mostly tools and age relative to league so far. But I see him as a 3b/corner OF type going forward.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Oh ok
I was gonna ask below why you were saying he’s a 3B. If he projects to be one, that’s one thing. Currently, he’s a SS though. He is 6’3/175 already though and he’s only 18. He’ll probably fill out more, which means you are probably right in the future.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
I don't think he's a shortstop
Mets have two middle infielders who interest me – Tejada and Reese Havens. Flores is a third baseman.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Well i've always liked Tejada
but I agree, i’d want more than just him in return.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
Other Mets I like
Kirk Niewenhuis, Jeurys Familia and Kyle Allen.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I'd be down with any of those guys in addition to Tejada/Havens
Though i’d probably take Allen 1st, then Niewenhuis, then Familia. It wouldn’t hurt having a good defensive OF in the system like Niewenhuis though. He’s showed some power, which is nice too.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
I think we could look into acquiring Alex Gordon from the Royals, who they are clearly done with.
I don’t think they’re done with him yet. They’re just converting him to LF because they have some hotshot 3B prospect (Moustakas) coming up soon. And I wouldn’t give up much for Gordon. Perhaps another failed prospect or a AAAA guy.
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Chris Davis
Dude has been hitting in the minors. Smoak is in Arlington to stay. I wouldn’t mind going after him while his stock is down.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
Excellent idea
as he can man both corner IF spots. We absolutely have to ensure he won’t be a strikeout machine. We have enough of that going on already.
He is a strikeout machine
150k in 391 AB’s last year. If he manages a decent OBP then he would work though.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 10, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Neither would I...
…but Davis would have to be pretty cheap for me to want him. He has a high ceiling, but I doubt he’ll ever figure it out enough.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
agreed
i have a paper due in a few hrs that i should be finishing tho
by twistedlogic on May 10, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
haha yea...i'm on the last page
need to go back and read thru it tho. i may or may not have done a significant portion of this late at night and under the influence of alcohol……
by twistedlogic on May 10, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about you
but when I got close to graduation I found it physically impossible to put the appropriate amount of time and energy into my remaining school work.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
same
ive had 2 weeks to do this paper. i started 2 days ago. played at least 10 hours of volleyball over the past 2 days as well. guess what got more time?
by twistedlogic on May 10, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a constant procrastinator
All of my work is project work and there are detailed project plans with dates and times for working sessions and deliverable due dates, but I completely ignore all of that and do everything at the absolute last minute. In college I was even worse with regular all-nighters to work on shit I had weeks to do.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
LOL…I’ve been out of school 11 years but I still get this “It’s almost summer vacation”/“Senioritis” type feeling this time every year where I just don’t want to do ANY work.
Cheez Whiz, you leave the blog alone for a few hours…
And this thread started off so WELL, too…
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
cheez wizz can be left alone for hours and still look like......cheez wizz
that shit is nasty. cheese should not be a liquid.
by twistedlogic on May 10, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
WHAT???
whiz is what holds philly together. I understand this is an O’s blog but I will stick up for my city (just not the phillies).
why dont they just put real cheese on it?
by twistedlogic on May 10, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
swiss cheese, perhaps?
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 10, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
actually
I mostly get provolone. But every now and then I get the whiz. The whiz just has that distinct taste to it that when you eat it on a cheese steak it just tastes right. Honestly the biggest part of the steak is the roll. If they screw the roll up then it doesn’t matter what cheese they put in it.
i want me a cheesesteak right now
with REAL cheese
by twistedlogic on May 10, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Comin' right up!
Manhattan Grill
Peking Hotel, Boshaya Sadovaya 5
Moscow
011-7-(495)- 363-4224
http://www.passportmagazine.ru/article/533/
“We also ordered a couple of sandwiches to portion out with the appetizers: Pita-Kebab, a grilled lamb patty with black olives, red onion, and Tzakiki sauce (good sauce); and a Philly Cheese Steak with fried onion and sweet peppers – though it was minus the genuine, only-to-be-found-in-Philly cheese whip.”
Cheese…whip?
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
thats too far away
plus i’d need a visa…..
by twistedlogic on May 10, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
But just think— if you phoned in your order for pick-up, got your visa in 2 weeks [!], flew 10 hrs from NY and went directly to the restaurant, they’d tell you, “It’s almost ready, sir.”
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
you must have a lot of starving people around moscow
or angry ones…
by twistedlogic on May 11, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Which chees steak place do you rep? I’m a Jim’s guy all the way, I think of the hundreds of sandwhiches I’ve had from them, there has never been a bad meal.
by TerroristFistJab on May 10, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Jim’s is good. If I’m choosing between Pat’s and Gino’s, Pat’s wins in a landslide. Gino’s is all flash and no substance.
The best I’ve ever had though is the place out by the airport that’s always ranked the best – I’m drawing a blank on the name right now and am too lazy to look it up.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
The Pats/Ginos thing cracks me up
I’m a Pat’s guy, but really the difference is that Pat’s chops up their steak. Just like God wants us to do.
There was a greasy joint by UPenn on W Chestnut that had great steaks, but I don’t even know if it’s there anymore.
Best cheesesteaks, ever: Capt. Gus in Lancaster PA. It’s run by an old Greek fisherman who puts his own blend of spices in the meat, and it’s totally delicious.
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
Abners?
I wasn’t a big fan of Abners although I went there a decent number of times since it was walking distance.
Never heard of that place in Lancaster might have to try it.
The other thing about Gino’s is the owner is a real asshole – he’s the one who put up the “English only” sign. I also think there’s a real difference between the pats and ginos break.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I've honestly never been a fan of either
I never find either that much more appetizing than any cheesesteak i can get from any lunch truck in the city. Theres way better food options If i’m going all the way down to that area.
some of the trucks
have great cheesesteaks – there was one right in from of the quad (where all the freshman live at Penn) that made great steaks. Greasy as hell – great for a hangover. I like the cart food in general. No better hangover cure than a bacon egg and cheese with hot sauce from Bui’s at 38th and Locust. Sunday morning the line would be around the block.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Not to mention
truck cheesesteaks are half the price. For me, Pats and Genos are just tourist traps; if i’m in that neighborhood theres a byob taco place i’d much rather go to.
I love all the byob places in Philly. Great for college kids – we used to roll into semi-nice byob places with cases of natty light. haha
For a city that doesn’t get nearly as much hype as DC, Boston, or NY I think it has really awesome food.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Philly definitely punches above its weight culinarily
Its not New York in so many ways; but i’m perfectly happy getting most of what you get in New York at a fraction of the price.
You can eat cheap in NYC
if you know where to go. I’ve been to places in Chinatown and Curry Row where 5 people can eat well for $30. You can also spend $30 on a couple drinks in a lot of places.
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
yeah
I miss the U City food trucks. Most places in or near Philly can make a decent steak. You grow up eating them and you know what works and what doesn’t. The common mistake is to overcook the meat. It should be a little pink when you put the roll on it, it’ll cook the rest of the way by the time you eat it.
It’s ridiculous what people try to pass off as a cheesesteak out of the area. I got a roast beef sandwich with thousand island dressing once in NM.
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
Speaking of greasy lunch trucks...
has anyone here been to Rutgers and eaten a fat sandwich from the grease trucks? My god that is the most deliciously horrible for you food of all time. My favorite is the fat darrell. Man that’s good shit.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
that was a man vs food episode
havn’t yet. but we had a lunch truck at drexel that had something similar. chicken fingers, mozz sticks, onion rings, fries, marinara sauce topped with cheese on a long roll. mmmm good.
This was the first thing to came to mind
Behind the main building, all the way at the end of the row?
i graduated in 03 so its been a while
glad to see he’s still doing well. he was my favorite. always hooked you up if you were a buck short.
Makes sense that he's been there a while
Calling his menu eclectic would be an understatement. Looks like he just keeps adding new pages without ever cutting anything.
That's very similar
I had heard there was a tv show that covered the trucks. That’s pretty awesome. The Darrell is mozz sicks, fingers, and fries with marinara on a sub roll (I add ketchup as well). There are tons of different ones though. I’ve had them at alot of places, but the grease trucks at RU are the best by far.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
Yeah, this sounds exactly like the truck at drexel
Can’t remember what the corresponding name is; its like an exercise in coming up with the most unhealthy food possible.
We thought the same thing
the one time the wife and I went down to try Gino’s. The meat wasn’t as good as you would have expected from a place calling itself the “best”.
Jim’s is the place for me for a bunch of reasons, but Pat’s was good as well. When I was at UMCP I thought South Street Steaks (now in Bethesda, I believe) was a close replica to that authentic style. The bread was right on.
by TerroristFistJab on May 10, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think the rift centers around Geno
He’s got thousands of feet of neon on his place, and a giant neon Hummer and all of the signs, and Pat’s just has a line of people.
Geno’s is getting slayed on Yelp:
http://www.yelp.com/biz/genos-steaks-philadelphia
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
first review has it right
only reason to go to Geno’s is if the line at Pat’s is too long.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
hahaha
and you don’t feel like walking all the way to Jim’s either.
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
I don't remember if it was Abners
The location looks right, but if Abners opened 20 years ago, then no.
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
Between the major 4 (Pats, Ginos, Tony’s, and Jims); I’m taking Tony Luke’s easilly.
There are a couple that are in Roxborough that are just as good though (Delasandro’s and Barry’s).
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on May 10, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I've heard Dalessandro's is the best in Philly
Next time I get up there I will try to make the trip.
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
Personally you can't go wrong with either of the 4
Geno’s would be my choice because I prefer less chop and I am in love with their relish. It all depends what mood you are in and really I could go either way. Also the line at Geno’s is an experience of its own – which for me is another reason why I go. I love the fact that you can have upper class suits standing next to crack whores. The conversations are awesome! You can meet people, be offered drugs, get in a fight, get offered "treats", hook up, find a long lost friend, and all at 2 in the morning. Now this may not suit everyone so stick to the afternoon hours.
The cheese, preferably provolone for me but american or even wiz is ok, must be on the bottom for me.
I love when melty cheese is dripping out the bottom of the sandwich.
A friend of mine and I did the South Philly Cheesteak challenge a few weeks ago. We got drunk, went to Pats, and then went to Gino’s.
We both liked Gino’s better. There wasn’t as much meat, but it was hotter and not as dry.
It's a different experience.
I occasionally order my steaks with provolone, but a really philly is nothing without the whiz.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
American? It’s second only to the wiz.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on May 10, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
This comment was brought to you by Kraft Foods, makers of the Official Cheese Food Product used in Authentic Philly Cheese Steaks. Deal with it.
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"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Braden's grandmom?
wow…she shat on A-Rod and yet you think she’s stupid? She’s an old lady and she sonned that douchebag. How can anyone not like that?
I lived in Philly for five years.
I think I could count the number of cheesesteaks I ate on one hand. Hard for me to eat food that makes me think I can feel my arteries hardening as I eat it. When I did have one, I had it with provolone.
Hoagies, however… I had many hoagies. Lee’s Hoagie House… 40th/41st and Walnut, I believe.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
This is interesting
So, the rumors that the O’s are settling on Taillon with the third pick are growing stronger. In the meantime, Jim Callis just did a ranking of the top 20 draft prospects based on their perceived talent before the draft since 1989.
Taillon comes in 17th, two behind Harper, one behind Josh Hamilton, and ahead of Josh Beckett, BJ Upton, and Joe Mauer.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Everytime i see a list like that
I want to not take another pitcher in the first round. So many injuries, but you can’t say no to that level of talent.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 10, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too...
…and sure you can say no to it. But in the scheme of things, I’m happier with the O’s taking Taillon than I would be with them taking Whitson. I’d prefer Machado but I can’t deny Machado isn’t close to being on lists like that.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I agree
The part of me that likes Machado is the part of me that sees those lists and sees that JD Drew was the biggest disapointment there. I’ll take that any day, but Machado isn’t that tallented.
I just dont know about another prep pitcher, i’ll be fine with Taillon though as its probably the soundest move.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 10, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
block feature on SBN sites
In case anyone is interested, here’s SBN response. “This is actually a request that we have gotten before and have considered, but are unlikely to implement in the near future. It is a contentious issue amongst our bloggers and can alter the entire tone of a conversation. We appreciate your feedback though and will take it under consideration the next time this feature is up for debate.”
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baysox
me and my son are going to our first baysox game ever his 3rd baseball game ever. is there any players we should look for as in hey this guy is good or what not. they are taking on the erie seawolves friday.
No big name prospects but there are decent ones
Steve Johnson will be pitching and he’s probably the one I like most. Caleb Joseph, Ryan Adams, Brandon Waring, and Pedro Florimon Jr. are all prospects with Joseph being the best of the bunch and he’s only a fringe top 10 in our system type.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 10, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Johnson pitches tonight...
…it’s Britton’s turn Friday.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
whoops
good catch, time isn’t my friend
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 10, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, you should see Zach Britton starting...
…so there’s that. On Bowie, keep an eye on Britton, Lebron, Joseph, Florimon, Widlansky and Waring. On Erie, the guys to look at are Cale Iorg and Andrew Oliver.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
What is all this BASEBALL crap? This was an illuminating discussion of Cheez Whiz vs. food and Gino's vs. Pats!! Where are the mods?!?
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
I’ve sort of debated using this clip in class to illustrate “colloquial” urban-American English. Really. But I’m sort of afraid it will spawn imitators…
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
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