Orioles 6, Mariners 5: Corey Patterson vs. Luke Scott
by Stacey on May 13, 2010 3:44 PM EDT
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PrintThe debate rages on in the game thread. What is more Birdland? Is it the go ahead grand salami by Luke Scott in the 8th inning? Or is it the solo home run before Luke's granny followed by throwing out the tying run at home to end the game by Corey Patterson?
What'll it be, friends?
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I put this in the game thread...but thought I'd add it here. Does it matter? probably not.
http://www.camdenchat.com/2010/4/14/1420741/even-though-we-all-need-our
A month ago, against the Rays, Luke Scott came on to hit a pinch-hit 2-run dong to tie the game in the 8th. The O’s went on to lose 8-6. Stacey saw fit to not include a MBP for that game cause it was definitely heart-breaking. Someone else put up a fan-post the next day for MBP, and Luke wasnt even on the ballot.
I complained…Luke was added…but still mustered only 7 votes out of 160. Late inning HRs, apparently, are meaningless if the team doesn’t go on to WIN the game. The team doesnt WIN this game without CPs awesome throw at home to end the game…ERGO, CP IS MBP
Well, we don't know that they don't win it
It’s possible that they win it in extras. I went with Luke, but damn, this is the kind of harrowing decision I love to have to make.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
Or the bottom of the ninth
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on May 13, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya know what's Birdland?
The fact that my opponent in fantasy baseball left Luke on the bench the past 2 days.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
y'know what's not...
brandon league. just picked him up to see if i could scrounge an extra save or hold here or there.
boo.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 13, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I dig them too
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on May 13, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Im a chick
I dig go ahead grand slams when the game is 100% over if he doen’t hit it.
by Wieters Wieners on May 13, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
but...
it wasn’t 100% if he didn’t hit it. we can never know, of course.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 13, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah... they probably wouldve come up with 4 runs somewhere else
by Wieters Wieners on May 13, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah...and somebody else probably would have thrown out the game tying run at the plate...
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Even if they tie it... we still have the bottom of the 9th
And if Simon didn’t allow the baserunners it would have never even come to the potential TYING play (with us being the home team and still getting a bat in the bottom of the 9th + potential win in extras).
by Wieters Wieners on May 13, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
And even if Luke hadn't hit the HR we still have the bottom of the 9th.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
And we havent scored 4 in the bottom of the 9th once this year....
by Wieters Wieners on May 13, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
how many times have we NOT blown a save in that situation this year?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
And if Wiggs doesn't hit that single and get an RBI
then we dont win without someone else coming through bottom 9. Who cares about all this “if” stuff. It played out how it played out. If you like the game saving GS, vote Luke. If you like the game saving throw, vote CP. They both deserve it.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
What about AJ having that horrible K that was so bad he got to first - he gets some credit too!
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
And if
frogs had wings, they wouldn’t bump their ass on the ground when they hop. Who cares about "if"s?
by Chief O'Flyers on May 14, 2010 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions
ha, no...
but they could have.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 13, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
besides...
we’ll be cursing his name soon enough. enjoy the ride, friends.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 13, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
haha although the same could be said for luke after his 2 week bender
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
yes...
and ty wigginton also.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 13, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
didnt watch the game, just finished reading the thread
i gotta give a write in vote to kba26 though
appreciated
I’m not going to be able to watch the next two games. If we go on a winning streak, I know what i have to do.
Yes!
We gained a game on the Yankees today! 13.5 games to go!
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I have my eyes set on the Royals
Only half a game to go.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on May 13, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
they were losing today, last i checked...
in fact, 3 against the royals coming up.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 13, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
bah.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 13, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, wait . . .
The Indians . . . rallying . . . this could be . . . the game that gets the Orioles . . . out of the . . .
Luckily, we get to play both of them over the next week. I’m sure they are saying the same thing.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on May 13, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i voted for puke
that grand slam was about as birdland as it gets. in fact, if we have a year end, most birdland play, that homer should be a candidate.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
wow...
though, in fairness…i STILL remember that jay payton insanity vs. hideki okajima.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 13, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That was pretty awesome.
Although I wonder if you would remember if it it was somebody like Luke, who actually SHOULD be hitting HRs.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
and kevin millar hitting a walk off against the red sox.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
maybe if it had been a walkoff
and if the LFer didn’t get an assist
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
If Wieters hits the GS, he gets MBP NO QUESTIONS ASKED.... NONE
by Wieters Wieners on May 13, 2010 4:05 PM EDT reply actions
your predictive powers are astounding.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 13, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
And quit crying already
65% of people are as blinded by a glove-aided HR as you are! :)
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
It was out of the park. The fans actually hit it, not the OF.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
ah
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7996405&query=%26game_pk%3D264323
You’re right – glove hit fans before it could hit ball.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I love those highlights
I love Simon’s fist pump and hugging Wieters and Luke running out from the dugout and I love Nick, Adam, and Corey jumping around together in the outfield and I love how excited Gary Thorne is.
Wieters doesn't look all that excited though
WTF Matty?
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
His awesomesness allows him to predict
things like this all the time. So… no he’s not surprised and neither should you be!
"People who write about spring training not being necessary have never tried to throw a baseball."
Sandy Koufax
by Birdland in NC on May 13, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN has both Luke's HR and the throw
http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=300513101&teams=seattle-mariners-vs-baltimore-orioles
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on May 13, 2010 4:24 PM EDT reply actions
yeah that fist pump rocked
tough call on the GS though. I watched it a few times but couldn’t tell if it was a fan or the glove it bounced off of. The resolution on the bigger version wasn’t good enough.
I did the same
Inconclusive, have to wait for MLB.TV to put up the game
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on May 13, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that's a bad clip for it.
The one on MASN looked pretty clearly like it hit the glove and then their hands, but who knows.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I think Simon should get some votes for that fist pump.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
LOL a line from Lookout Landing
This team would be more fun if you took the players and replaced them with better players.
by Stacey on May 13, 2010 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That time of year
So are we entering Luke’s hot streak for this season? I’m not convinced he’ll ever be consistent, but it was fun today.
I hope so
We need a shot in the arm…
"People who write about spring training not being necessary have never tried to throw a baseball."
Sandy Koufax
by Birdland in NC on May 13, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
If so...
Can we be smart enough to trade him when his value is high this year?
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on May 13, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I like to read the game thread for the opposing team when the Orioles win
And let me say that when someone in their game thread says something like, “Well, at least we’re not the Orioles,” it makes that win so much sweeter. Especially when it’s some punk team like the Mariners who, after today, have exactly two more wins than the Orioles despite having not played the Yankees or Red Sox yet and only three against the Rays.
the sad thing is that these assholes are only 6 games back.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
IF
we had had a chill 9th inning and there was no ridiculously exciting out at the plate to end the game, my vote would be with Luke. However, given the circumstances, I’m gonna have to hand this one to Corey.
BTW. Turned on this game at the top of the 8th, what timing! Way exciting finish.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
I voted for CP
Primarily due to the fact that I don’t think Reimold or Pie could have made that throw.
Everyone thought Baltimore was three easy wins and we got our ass kicked three times. - Dustin Pedoria, After the Red Sox got swept by the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on May 13, 2010 5:01 PM EDT reply actions
BUT
Pie definitely would have looked more adorable attempting it even if he didn’t succeed.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
He'd have made the throw alright...
A beee-autiful frozen rope to second base.
by TerroristFistJab on May 13, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry...
I can be a serial antagonist.
I voted for Scott (but honestly forgot until I looked at my posting history in my profile) primarily because, hey – it’s a freakin’ Grand Slam! But in hindsight the defensive play had to have so many things go right, how can that not be Birdland? Can I vote for both?
by TerroristFistJab on May 13, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, create a second account.
Everyone thought Baltimore was three easy wins and we got our ass kicked three times. - Dustin Pedoria, After the Red Sox got swept by the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on May 13, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
They wouldn't have even run on Pie
They tried to take liberties on CP.
Check out more of my highlights at dailymotion.com/gatecitycanes
This.
According to UZR (please no fighting!) Corey has a roughly average arm, while Pie and Reimold are both above average. My eyes agree on Felix and Nolan; they don’t quite have the cannons of Markakis and Jones, but they still have good arms.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I posted the highlights so those of you on the fence can review the facts
Oh, and I voted for Luke.
Check out more of my highlights at dailymotion.com/gatecitycanes
Nice day for the O's
And Diamond Dave won’t even be the first manager fired this year!
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
y not?
"People who write about spring training not being necessary have never tried to throw a baseball."
Sandy Koufax
by Birdland in NC on May 13, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
nevermind... Royals
I looked after I posted… I think all the Royals problems are the manager… ya that’s it!
"People who write about spring training not being necessary have never tried to throw a baseball."
Sandy Koufax
by Birdland in NC on May 13, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I voted Corey
Give Luke a ton of credit for getting the big hit at the right time. But on the other hand, you can’t help when you come up to bat. It’s not Corey’s fault there was nobody on base at the time. So the defensive play puts him over the top.
But really, they’re both winners.
But really, they’re both winners.
Neither Corey nor Luke can remember the last time someone said that about them.
by Stacey on May 13, 2010 6:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Haha
Corey/Luke are going to take us to the PROMISED LAND…. aka, just above the Blue Jays.
by Wieters Wieners on May 13, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe so...
looking at the standings today and wondered what could possibly account for the blue jays fraudulent, inflated record…they have played the fewest games against the al east. wait for it, friends.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 13, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
you can't lose this time
it’s really just a case of pick who you like more. considering i’m not yet sold on patterson, i voted for luke. for sentimental value.
"Being an Orioles fan is like having Erectile Dysfunction"
"harden the fuck up mike gonzalez."
The Signing Bonus: We're back in business.
Ok.... lets calm down a second
Im pumped we won, and Im pumped Corey Patterson contributed.
But having finally had the opportunity to see the “throw heard round the world”, I gotta say, that throw was pretty lame. Like the pic posted above, the runner was just around third when he was about to throw it. It was shallow as shit. He might as well have been giving Cesar a piggy-back ride. The throw wasn’t even online…. that catch and tag was ALL WIETERS.
Just reiterating my Luke vote. The final play I dont credit to Corey at all. Soft toss off the mark with plenty of time to nail the runner…. Wieters bails him out.
This is Birdland
by Wieters Wieners on May 13, 2010 6:20 PM EDT reply actions
Three words
Greatest.
Throw.
Ever.
When my grand kids ask me to tell them (for the millionth time) the story of that glorious spring day when Corey Patterson gunned down Josh Wilson at the dish and ushered in a new era of Orioles dominance, I’ll make sure to leave out your attempt to downplay the significance of “The Throw”..
You’re welcome.
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HAHA
You mean when Corey Patterson lollipopped a ball from right on the fringe of the infield off the mark when the guy was rounding third and Matt Freaking Wieters made a great grab flipped around and tagged the runner to end the game?!??!!?!?
LMAO…. come on people.
Is it really an “assist” when somebody throws a basketball off someone’s leg during a fast brea and it bounces into the hoop?
by Wieters Wieners on May 13, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
When that same person was just as likely to accidentially throw it in the other team's basket?
Yes. Yes it is.
KBA
You are generally a voice of reason. Gimme your take on “The Throw”?
Seriously…. Ive watched it like 20 times, I just dont see how it was even an above average throw.
by Wieters Wieners on May 13, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
In a vacuum, i dont think it was that impressive
However, situation matters. Everything else being equal, if he makes that same play in the 4th or something and its just a routine fly ball in the 9th, Luke is for MBP. Considering it was the top of the 9th and the throw sealed the victory? I voted for Corey.
The catch and tag sealed the victory
In any case, Im just happy to have a win streak going! Haha
by Wieters Wieners on May 13, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
wow didn't see you already used the "in a vacuum" line
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I was just reading Lookout Landing
They were cracking me up. They were not happy with Wilson running there. I don’t blame them. That was Juan Samuel like.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
I was a little surprised to see them send him
But it was 2 outs in the 9th and they have trouble scoring runs. I think sending him is the right play there.
Check out more of my highlights at dailymotion.com/gatecitycanes
In a vacuum maybe
but given the situation, plus the fact that nobody expects ANYTHING from him, and he had already hit a bomb and a double, it’s not close for me.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
THANK YOU
couldn’t agree more…voted for luke just for this reason…wieters made an awesome tag on an okay throw. come on…from that shallow, CP should’ve been throwing a strike. still psyched the throw was even close, giving wieters the opp, but that play was all SHJ!
"If Stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?" - Will Rogers
It was a coinflip for me.
CP’s reaction to getting pied sealed it. That was fricken hilarious.
Check the end of IHeartMASN’s highlights if you haven’t seen it.
Also it reminded me of this one
"Ohhh it's baad" - E. Smith
THE ROYALS
the royals fired the manager,maybe we will follow suit. is it me o does it seem cp injected some fun into the team?
This one could go either way
I voted for Luke though. My reason is that Corey did throw him out at the plate, but it required a hell of a play from Wieters to tag the guy. Grand slams are pretty much going to get my vote no matter what.
The future is not what it used to be.
CP suddenly stormed ahead.
Luke was firmly in the lead not long ago. Who’s using multiple accounts / IPs? :P
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
OsFan21..... he accounts for 74 of the votes for CP
The other 30 are a mixture of Corey Patterson and his relatives.
by Wieters Wieners on May 13, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I looked at the breakdown
PattersonFan21 has 11 votes
by Wieters Wieners on May 13, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Went with LUUUUUUUUUKE
MBP is about contribution from unexpected places.
I expect Corey to play great defense.
I NEVER expected LUUUUUKE to hit a grandslam today.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
I disagree
I generally expect Corey to play great defense, but not when the game is on the line. In any pressure situation, i fully expect Corey Patterson to ruin everything.
Non-sequitur
Law & Order cancelled.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Just as well
hasn’t been the same for a few seasons now. Jerry Orbach was the glue.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
For the record,
I’m glad Brandon League came through for us again. I wanted him to on Tuesday, but this was pretty awesome.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
This just in...
How the HELL does Alfredo Simon have FIVE saves already?
Mad I missed this game teaching. The girl had her own softball game. It was ugly. She mopped up the last 3 innings, did OK, but it was already 10-0 by then. 55% strikes, though. Struck out four former teammates from last year. I’ll take it.
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
you want to know something?
unless you can find a guy who is just the elite of the elite, that’s the kind of guy that the org should be looking for closing, etc.
still pretty angry about the mike gonzalez signing.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 14, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I went with CPat
And all of this can only mean one thing: Grandpa Genius was right and The Plan is working. The much awaited roster change(s) have turned things around.
Holy nerd town batman
Just where does the ballot stuffing of internet polls fall in the spectrum of chat room sadness?
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA
This seriously has me laughing out loud…. not kidding.
Good thing we arent Marlin fans, this could be a real mess! LOL
by Wieters Wieners on May 13, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It is not Wow
It is these same jack-offs who refuse to never let an argument die. They clear their cookies and vote again. At least they are just staying up, clicking and re-loading and not exposing us all to their inane arguments.
But thanks again for always reminding me how lame online chat rooms can really be.
I'm pretty sure lurkers can and do vote
It is not uncommon that the poll results are at odds with the choices of the people who are actually commenting. In this case where there is some genuine disagreement that’s split about 50/50, why is it surprising the voting is also 50/50, more or less?
I'm ready for a straight jacket. - Joe Angel, 4/17/10 (O's record: 1-11)
by Eat More Esskay on May 14, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I would guess a few people do that
But I can’t imagine anyone even cares that much. This site had over 2200 unique visitors yesterday, it’s not that crazy to think that 400 of them voted.
The unique visitor metric is also determined by cookies
So clearing the cookies creates a new unique visit. I spend far less time on this site than you and I am stunned to hear that you can’t imagine anyone caring that much. Winning the poll could have meant vindication in their little worlds. In fact, in regards to a few commenters, ballot stuffing in upwards 50-100 votes is highly likely, i think.
And though I voted for CP, I am happy to see that Luke won because it meant my least favorite commenter lost.
No one won yet
polls close at the first pitch of the next game. At least that’s how it was when we set this thing up.
I really do doubt people would do that though. I mean, that would be pretty sad. I like to think that the people on here, who are pretty intelligent as a whole, would be a bit above that.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Hey
If you think people here are lame and pathetic, live in “little worlds,” etc., you’re welcome to skedaddle. That’s not me saying I don’t want you here, but I don’t really like reading insults about this community. It’s obnoxious.
I would and I will skedaddle (or stop coming so frequently)
But before I go – I think I ruffled your protective feathers. I would never insult the community. I value the humor and intelligence that pervades. For some completely illogical reason I get irritated when the behavior and comments lowers the overall quality of the discourse. And yeah, I do want to insult the few folks that I feel (repeatedly) soil the environment. But that is just a silly reaction and a waste of my energies. Thanks for the reality check.
I have to admit, I wondered the same thing about the ballot stuffing.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
Maybe there could be an ignore button that ignores votes from certain commenters
I couldn’t help myself :(
So pitcher's can't be birdland when playing american league games then
by your rationale
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on May 14, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Did he say anything about a pitcher?
The current comparison is between somebody who got one hit and somebody who got multiple hits and made a game saving defensive play. Pitching did not enter the equation here.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
He implied that he deserves the MBP because he got hits AND played defense. Picthers can only play defense and not hit. So by his odd rule, pitchers cannot be birdland.
My point is you do not have to do both to be birdland. Hitting a grand slam makes you birdland. You don’t need to add defense to win the award when one swing of the bat put your team in the lead after being down by 3.
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on May 14, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He implied that because the ONLY other option on the ballot is somebody who only hit.
His point was not general, but rather specific in nature. He also wasn’t even stating a rule. It was an exclamation about a single player in a single game.
But I’ll keep in mind that hitting a grand slam automatically makes you birdland. haha speaking of absurd rules.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
How in the hell is hitting a HR that results in 4 RBIs not birdland? How is that absurd?
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on May 14, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
There are very few things that are automatically birdland no matter what else happens in the game – maybe hitting for the cycle, hitting 3 HRs, throwing a no-hitter or a PG. Hitting a grand slam is not one of them. That’s why so many people voted for the other guy. And again I think a fair amount of the ones who didn’t are probably confusing MBP with MVP…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Gotcha
The majority is wrong and you are right.
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on May 14, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it unheard of for a majority to be wrong?
I just saw a poll that said that something like 65% of Americans support the new immigration law in Arizona. Majorities don’t really determine what’s right or wrong.
And also, just now I wasn’t arguing with you about whether Luke didn’t deserve MBP (as I say below there’s a very legitimate argument for him winning it – I disagree with it, but it’s certainly valid), but whether a grandslam by itself was necessarily worthy of MBP. This is the comment:
Hitting a grand slam makes you birdland.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I think
hitting a grand slam makes you Birdland, period. However, it’s not necessarily enough to make you most Birdland.
I went with Luke because it was a come-from-behind grand slam, while credit for that play at the plate seemed more like 75% Wieters to me.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Good point about the MOST - that's certainly true.
My vote for CP was not strictly for that throw, but also for his HR and double and for doing well when EVERYBODY expected him to suck.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I voted Luke MBP
and I know the difference between MBP and MVP.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I didn't say all! Just some.
There’s a perfectly legitimate argument for Luke as MBP – I just don’t think EVERYBODY who voted for him did so because of that. Some people just think grand slams are extra special.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
No, I hear ya
That’s true with just about every vote though.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
is there a formal statement on how to vote for MBP?
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
Ha, I actually wrote one up for it once
Not really formal, but I described it. I got holy hell from everybody. People said describing it made it stupid and it is something you should just get.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
At the risk of inciting hatred directed my way...
here is where I originally posted it. It actually was way too formal, but you can check it out for yourself.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Well, it wasn't an attempt to get people to think exactly like I do
just to show the differences between MBP and MVP for people who didn’t get it. I guess it came off a bit too corporate though.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I thought it was fine as a guideline, but not the end all in how to vote for MBP.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
That's basically what it was supposed to be
in fact I think I even said something along the lines of “these are just examples and can be judged however you like” but people weren’t cool with it, so it died in that post.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
you're cool in my book dave, except for not liking bruce springsteen.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
i love this argument i started hahahah
it didnt even have anything to do with MBP. i was more of a wink wink nudge nudge to adam jones that, you know, that stuff is good.
by twistedlogic on May 15, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Well thank you sir
and you are in mine as well, except for liking Bruce Springsteen
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
we hardly ever follow that anymore
the starting pitcher almost always wins MBP
by twistedlogic on May 15, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
That's because good performances
were almost always unexpected
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I just laughted from the sheer riduculousness of this.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on May 15, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
LUKE FOOOOOOOOL!
sorry I’m not sure what the question was.
but LUKE FOOOOOL
"We don't report the murders just the beatings!"
its amazing how you knew...
I was talking exclusively to you.
"We don't report the murders just the beatings!"
what exactly was so birdland about luke doing what he supposed to do? (and losing style points in his trot by stopping, confused, as usual unsure where the ball was) when my my corey came off a park bench two days ago and already has sparked 2 wins.
you know what’s rarer than a grand slam? a game ended throw home. that’s what. case closed. and that followed a HR that, while a solo, was as crucial as anything else.
case closed.
by thewaywardO on May 14, 2010 6:40 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Neither one could have won it by themselves.
This is the kind of thing training montages are made of.
or dare I say it.. buddy cop movies.
"Ohhh it's baad" - E. Smith
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