Friday Bird Droppings
by duck on May 14, 2010 6:59 AM EDT
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PrintRecaps of yesterday's comeback win (the first all year after trailing after 7 innings) can be found at The Sun, Seattle PI, and Orioles.com.
Hernandez to remain in O's rotation | orioles.com
David Hernandez has lost 11 straight decisions, but he's not out of the rotation yet. Brad Bergesen dropped by to say "WTF?" -duck
Tejada finally playing pain free | orioles.com: News
That hip abductor strain had been bothering Miguel Tejada since April 17 - until yesterday. Miggi declared himself pain-free after the game. -duck
Orioles Insider: Minor league game recaps -May 13
Norfolk lost, Bowie lost, Frederick won and Delmarva was shut out. -duck
Royals fire Trey Hillman minutes after victory - HardballTalk - Baseball - NBC Sports
Zack Greinke got his first win of the season, and manager Trey Hillman got his walking papers. Funny business, baseball. -duck.
Tim Tebow puts on a show in batting practice ... like, for real - HardballTalk
Sick of Tim Tebow yet? He took batting practice at Memphis University School this week, and promptly jacked 12 of 15 balls out of the park. I can't wait until he meets Ray Lewis in the backfield. -duck
Chris Ray 2010 Pitching Gamelogs - Baseball-Reference.com
In case you're wondering how the other end of the Millwood deal is working out: After starting the year strong, Chris Ray has tailed off recently, blowing his first save, and giving up 3 earned runs in his last three innings of work. -zk
Phils bullpen coach caught spying, insists he wasn't stealing Rockies signs - MLB - CBSSports.com Baseball
As if you needed another reason to hate the Phillies. -zk
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I don't despise Tebow so much as...
all the media fawning over him. That being said, I will find it quite satisfying when he gets pile-driven into the ground after taking his first blind-side sack.
Make the world a better place; punch a Yankee fan in the face!
If he gets on the field
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
For anyone interested,
they put Joe Angel’s calls for the grand slam and game-ending assist in the MLB.com recap of yesterday’s game. I don’t usually watch those, but I’ve noticed them using the radio announcers in them more often, which is pretty awesome.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
i just watched the game recap and it's too bad joe cant do tv too
everytime gary thorne says “goodbye homerun” i cringe and throw up in my mouth a little bit.
i simply cannot stand him.
great win though…
"you know what the orioles could use right now? a day off." - joe angel
by swilhelmross on May 14, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks!
I couldn’t find it either. Joe Angel is a treasure.
I don’t hate Gary Thorne, though. I thought his enthusiasm at the end of the game was awesome. He’s gonna be a huge homer when the Orioles get good, he’s so excitable.
Thorne...
Was always my favorite national NHL guy, so it made me happy when the Orioles brought him on. Sometimes I forget I’m playing a video game when I fire up NHL 10 and Thorne and Clement start talking.
That said, I kind of hate the radio duo, and that is how I catch a lot of the games as they happen. Just me I guess.
by TerroristFistJab on May 14, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
That Phillies link is kinda old, isn't it?
: )
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Some of the Marlins players were having fun with it last night
They cut the bottoms out of some gatorade cups, then taped them together so they looked like a pair of binoculars.
Make the world a better place; punch a Yankee fan in the face!
by PBR me ASAP! on May 14, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Huh -- oddly enough...
though Philly fans are universally loathed (I wonder why…), the early thread there (the one with “The League Jerks”) has some kindred spirits.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
My bad
ZK clipped it two days ago and I missed it. It’s a make-up call, basically.
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
I know
I was just busting on Z
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
BANNED
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Same for me
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
oh, man, great link.
Issue #6! What number am I thinking of?!?! Pat Buchanan?
Carvey was such a talent, and then he kind of flamed out. It’s a shame.
Remember when SNL was consistently funny, EVERY week pretty much?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Yeah I miss it
I never watch it anymore. If something on there is funny I inevitably hear about it from someone and can watch it online.
by Stacey on May 14, 2010 12:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Y'know people has always claimed
there was a time when SNL was consistently funny, and I don’t believe it ever really existed. Each cast has their superstars who always make us laugh, but theirs also alot of dead weight in each cast (Chris Kattan, Ana Gasteyer, Jimmy Fallon). SNL always has the potential to be great, I just feel throughout their history they’ve never been consistent.
BTW, I was just thinking about the one year they had a cast of I think Janeane Garofolo, Sarah Silverman, Dave Attell, Michael Mckean, Jay Mohr and others, and I’ve heard it was a real abomination. Does anybody have any first hand accounts of this season? Love to hear ’em.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
Every season has its good shows and good recurring bits
I grew up with the Eddie Murphy era cast, and Joe Piscipo et. al.
C-I-L-L My Landlord? Awesome
James Brown Hot Tub sketch? Awesome
Frank Sinatra speed duets in studio? Awesome
There were a lot of bad sketches, too. Same can be said of Dana Carvey’s era, Will Farrell’s era, and even the first cast. Ever SEE that first episode with George Carlin? Some of it is painful to watch. But some of it is VERY funny.
That’s what SNL does. It’s like Rod Serling said of Twilight Zone – One-third is terrible, one-third is average, but one-third is outstanding
And I should post this on the LOST thread, but here’s Rod Serling’s quote about writing for TV:
“How can you put out a meaningful drama when every fifteen minutes proceedings are interrupted by twelve dancing rabbits with toilet paper? No dramatic art form should be dictated and controlled by men whose training and insticts are cut of an entirely different cloth. The fact remains that these gentlemen sell consumer goods, not an art form.”
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
We'd be lucky to only have commercials every fifteen minutes.
I wonder to what extent you can say that problem is now avoided by DVDs, though. Probably not much, since for most people their first experience of any given show is most likely live. As well, once a show is as big as LOST, a lot of the fun is getting on and sharing your thoughts with everyone (or around the water cooler the next day or whatever) – so you can’t exactly wait for DVDs.
I'm ready for a straight jacket. - Joe Angel, 4/17/10 (O's record: 1-11)
by Eat More Esskay on May 14, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
this is the thing.
one third is NEVER outstanding on SNL anymore. it’s more like one sketch is about once a month or so.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
the original NRFPTP were consistently funny
every show had a couple of clunkers, but the first hour of every one of those shows was laugh-out-loud funny.
but there was more community in it back then too, and less “let me get my movie part now”. and of course, it was easier to push the boundaries because there were no cable shows that had already gone further.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Y'know, I'm torn about this binocular thing
It reminds me a lot of Spygate, except I don’t have any natural enmity towards the Phillies, except for when their fans try to act like the NL is superior to the AL, or when their fans act like Philadelphia fans in general (which isn’t all the time).
And with Spygate I was like… “OK, if they’re recording you giving out signals, why don’t you, like… cover your mouth with your playbook?”
I guess low-tech espionage doesn’t bother me when there are relatively easy counterespionage techniques that can be employed. Now, eavesdropping on the frequency of the coach-to-QB headset – that I would have to cry foul on.
I'm ready for a straight jacket. - Joe Angel, 4/17/10 (O's record: 1-11)
by Eat More Esskay on May 14, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh
This is a violation both of written (no sign stealing that involves technology) and unwritten (don’t steal signs from the bullpen) rules. The way baseball is played (all the way down at high school and younger levels as well as up through college and the pros) is with nobody on base, catchers give one sign and as long as they don’t put their fingers low enough for the benches to see or open their knees wide enough for the base coaches to see they are good. You switch to multiple signs with a runner on second base of course. You don’t worry about guys in the bullpen with binoculars because it’s not cool to do that and blatantly against the rules.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
There is nothing in the rulebook about stealing signs (with or without technology). There was a memo sent out that stated that no electronics could be used, but not technology.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on May 14, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
What power does the bullpen phone run on? Does that not count as electronics??
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I wasn’t talking about the Phillies, I was simply saying that using technology to steal signs is not against any rule.
What the Phillies did or didn’t do or how they did it, isn’t really known. I mean, it seems a bit far fetched to me when they could have just had someone watching a monitor; but who knows.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on May 14, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
ok
so your beef was just with my use of “technology” as opposed to “electronics”?
So theoretically if a hitter constructed a helmet that had mirrors on it that allowed him to see the catcher signs while looking at the pitcher, that would be all kosher by your definition?
Also that’s why I specifically said that it violated both written and unwritten rules.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I didn’t really have a “beef”, just saying that you can use technology based on the rules.
I supposed if he did construct that helmet, it wouldn’t be against the rules (assuming it passed ML equipment guidelines); but I imagine Bud would be on the phone pretty quickly.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on May 14, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
so obviously there are things that are a no-no even though they aren’t specifically against the letter of the rule – I think using binoculars from the BP is one of those things.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Maybe
I’d like to see someone really try though. Give Dunn a set of binoculars and let Albers use a couple flags to signal the signs in.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on May 14, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
It would seem only fair to let us do that
when AJ is batting. Maybe then he would lay off the breaking balls in the dirt??
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Honestly, I'm a bit skeptical.
Is there really enough time, once a catcher gives the signs, for a guy in the bullpen to signal to the guy on the phone, for that guy to say into the phone what the pitch is, for Shane to relay the message to a base coach or baserunner, and for that person to signal the batter, all before the pitcher starts his delivery?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Yeah, I don't really get it either.
And why even use the bullpen coach? Why not just use the video feed?
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on May 14, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
They aren't necessarily signaling the batter that's actually hitting.
They might be telling the on-deck hitter something to look for. Or they might be telling guys on the bench who are then shouting a verbal signal to the hitter. That’s how lots of sign stealing is passed to hitters – when a base coach is able to steal signs he’ll give an oral signal to the hitter after he’s already in the box.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Growing up...
There was one douche on my team that would, on the rare occasion his fat ass made it to 2nd base, awkwardly jump up and down holding his fingers up to indicate what the catcher had called.
What made this all the more infuriating is that he would normally do this:
a) well before the pitcher started for home, usually while he was looking directly at the baserunner who was stealing the signs. You never knew if he was going to switch up or keep with the pitch. Or,
b) well into the delivery, distracting you while you’re trying to concentrate on the ball coming out of the pitcher’s hand. I hated that guy.
Our 1st base coach in high school would give verbal cues if he caught the signs, something along the line of “watch for the off-speed” if the call was for a fastball. That at least was a lot less obvious – it just looked like our coach was wrong a lot of times as opposed to being a sign-stealer.
by TerroristFistJab on May 14, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...
Also I never liked it as a hitter because I felt like as a pitcher if somebody did that I would DEFINITELY drill the hitter and tell him exactly why he got drilled.
Our coaches in high school were pretty good at stealing signs, but I never wanted to know because it was just too much to think about.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
There is..
such a thing as too much information. I think the most practical application at the high school level is knowing what pitches to run on. Most hitters are overwhelmed at the plate anyway.
by TerroristFistJab on May 14, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that's very true
we used it a lot for stealing bases, but I was slow as shit so that was never an issue for me.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I loved the days
When I was pitching – designated runner. I always had it as a goal to steal at least 5-10 bases one year, I think my highest was 2.
It was so bad that I was the one guy excused from base running drills.
by TerroristFistJab on May 14, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...
I never even thought about stealing after age 15 or so. I grew about 10 inches between age 14 and 15 and my coordination didn’t catch up. So I was this tall skinny guy who seemed like I should be fast, but I was lucky if I could go first to third on a double.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I was the guy
That turned inside the park homers (no fences at most PG County fields) into doubles.
by TerroristFistJab on May 14, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't play on my high school team,
but in 8th and 9th grades, my goal every PA was to walk — I couldn’t really hit. If I got on base, I was almost guaranteed to steal around to third (and if I didn’t, it was usually because the inning ended, not because I got caught). I loved this one park where we played, because the backstop was a good distance from the plate; I scored more runs on wild pitches than hits.
So I guess I was scrappy? Haha.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
So I guess I was scrappy? Haha.
Only if you’re white sez Keith Law.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
Well, I am, so there you go.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
OMG, you're extremely similar to me.
Everyone thought Baltimore was three easy wins and we got our ass kicked three times. - Dustin Pedoria, After the Red Sox got swept by the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on May 14, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought I was only one who played like that.
I suppose I’m not.
Everyone thought Baltimore was three easy wins and we got our ass kicked three times. - Dustin Pedoria, After the Red Sox got swept by the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on May 14, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahahaha.
Yeah, I guess the pitchers I faced probably grew to hate me at the game went on.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I've straight out told my daughter
if she sees a batter looking back for a sign, drill her in the ribs. My mother-in-law wasn’t happy with that particular piece of advice, but my daughter totally understood.
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
Yeah sometimes it's gotta be done. As long as it's "Not at my fuckin' head, dude."
I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve intentionally thrown at hitters, but at least one was for trying to steal signs. I went through a phase where I was really dominant and used to actually like it when hitters would try to steal signs – it just made me want to execute the pitch perfectly so they couldn’t hit it even when they knew what was coming. But that was a pretty brief period – certainly in college I needed every advantage I could get and if any hitter even had a slight idea of what was coming I was in trouble (really I was in trouble even when they didn’t know what was coming…).
The only time I’ve ever thrown at a hitters head the guy actually got a bunt base hit on it. That was related to shit-talking though rather than sign stealing. It infuriated me to no end that he was able to bunt that ball…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Not sure I get the point of the first part
Can’t the guy in the on deck circle just look at what pitch the pitcher actually threw? Besides, most pitchers aren’t going to handle two different hitters the same way at the ML level.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on May 14, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
My comment didn't make any sense.
The point is to tell the on-deck hitter so that he can say something to the hitter before the pitch is thrown.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Okay
But like Vuff suggested, that would seem to be very difficult to pull off. You have a bullpen coach reading the signs, translating it to a reliever (I’m assuming), have that reliever relay it over the bullpen phone to a player in the dugout (who has to stay on the phone the whole time), that player has to get it to guys on the bench or the on deck circle who has to get it to the hitter (without being overly obvious).
That seems far fetched to me.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on May 14, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really
my understanding was the the bullpen coach was sitting directly next to the bullpen phone, and the on-deck hitter (victorino) was ON the bullpen phone, so all of that takes about 1 second to say “fastball.” After Victorino hears it’s a fastball he just says “Let’s go Jimmy!” or if it’s a curve ball he goes “Let’s go 6!” Pretty simple and happens all the time with coaches/players at lower levels.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
for example
On my high school team, often the first base coach would be stealing the catcher’s signs if his set up wasn’t tight enough. He would then have an indicator that went to the bench that told us whether to use the hitters name or their number in cheering for him – name meant fastball, number meant off-speed. If anything, the suspected method the Phils were doing was even simpler since the relaying was immediate and without a sign (via the bullpen phone).
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Having a first base coach relaying a signal would seem to me to much easier to do since you only have to go through 3 different people (the coach, the bench, and the hitter). What the Phillies were accused of would to go though 5 people (the coach, a guy in the pen, a guy on the phone, the bench/on deck batter, and then the hitter). I guess its possible, but just seems to me to be impractical.
Also, would the Phillies really want Shane Victorino to be the key player in this effort?
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on May 14, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I might have missed something
but I thought the Phillies coach with the binoculars WAS the guy in the pen on the phone and Shane Victorino WAS the guy on the pen. So it didn’t have to be relayed through more than 3 – the guy stealing the signs, the guy receiving the info who then yelled it to the hitter at the plate. I thought the reports had him looking through binoculars and then immediately speaking into the bullpen phone with Shane Victorino appearing to be on the other end.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I don't think so
If he was working both the binoculars and the phone; that would probably be even more impressive.
I think the only thing that is clear here is that what, if anything, happened is very unclear. Phillies were saying that they were checking out how Ruiz was setting up defensively; so it’s likely they aren’t even talking about the catcher’s signals (although that was the accusation), but rather the coach’s signals. Or they have the wrong half of the inning.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on May 14, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You think?
Holding the binoculars in one hand and the phone in the other doesn’t seem much more challenging than walking and chewing gum unless he was in Nam and lost an arm…
The Phils might say that except that the video showed the bullpen coach using the binoculars while the Phillies were hitting, so unless he was using the binoculars to IMAGINE how Ruiz was setting up defensively while Jimmy Rollins was hitting, that seems like a pretty laughable explanation.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I haven't seen the video (I don't think ML released it)
But according to the descriptions I read, he just had the binoculars in his hands, not the phone. Holding both up to your head and having a good enough view with the binoculars would be tough in my opinion, but I’ve never tried.
The explanation is laughable if they were using them to cheat. If he had the binoculars on him for the bottom of the inning, then that makes sense to me.
Probably beating a dead horse at this point, but it just seems to me this would be a very difficult way of getting signs in to the hitter. It would be far easier to have someone just watching a monitor while relaying it in.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on May 14, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
See below
I think it’s pretty clear that he was NOT using them while Ruiz was catching.
And sure it would be easier to have somebody watching on a monitor in the clubhouse or something – and shockingly that’s something the Phillies have been accused of by more than one team. Must be a coincidence…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Here's what's not unclear
from ESPN:
FSN Rocky Mountain, the flagship broadcaster of the Colorado Rockies, showed Billmeyer using the binoculars to peer in on Colorado catcher Miguel Olivo while the Phillies were at bat in the top of the second inning.
Hard to figure how looking at Olivo would tell them anything about how Ruiz was setting up…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
in the old days,
when someone was stealing signs from centerfield, they’d flash something innocuous (like a white box) on the scoreboard.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
In light of all of the obvious ballot stuffing going on yesterday
I think the only fair thing to do is to disqualify the two tainted candidates and declare the only other party to receive votes (me) MBP.
I wote in a vote for Wigglypuff
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I actually stayed up all night voting for CP over and over again and it was all for nothing!!!
snark
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Who is Tim Tebow again?
Nice to see a Joe Angel call get some League time. Kudos to an excellent and sadly underrated announcer (and a saint for putting up with the empty chair next to him for years now).
Oh, and hey: if the O’s don’t really belong in the American League, they’d do great in the Brandon League, huh? That’s, like, a play on words. See, the pitcher we beat yesterday is actually named League, so…hey, who are you people— and how did you get into this apartment? Get back, back I say or I’ll…aaaarrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhhh
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Those calls yesterday were completely epic
I want to be Joe Angel’s microphone
Outs in baseball are like lives in Mario.
Prepare for Luke's patton'd hot streak to begin.
I’d like to see McPhail trade on him high this time around. Before he goes ice cold for the remainder of the season, again. If he can carry a streak into the all-star break, I could see a potential playoff team dealing 1-2 unproven young arms in return for his left-handed stick.
I'm not against trading him
but i think expecting much in return is optimistic. Its not like the rest of the league doesnt know about his streaks as well.
Well, rumor has it...
that the M’s were interested in Luke. Wonder if that show he put on for them will make that interest peak.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I'd be confident a deal could be put together
I’m just not sure the return would be high enough that it should be.
he'd immediately be the 3rd best hitter on their team, right?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Whoa.
Is your signature accurate? Did I really type that?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
i can't even find the comment.
weird.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
It was when you were going off on someone
I think it was in the “dont taze me bro” thread.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
It was in I'mnotjudgin's thread
Which he deleted himself after seeing the reaction he got from everyone.
sad.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
really is
that was a classic post, and he left it with such a cliffhanger
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 14, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we discovered what the "but sooner if!..." was reffering to
Obviously he meant if Corey Patterson replaced Reimold on the roster, hit a double, a home run, and made a game ending outfield assist after LUUUUUKE hit a grand slam. What else could he have been alluding to? And you know what? He was spot on.
My apologies, Mr. imjustsayin
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
imjustsayin has my vote to replace trembley
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 14, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
no
he meant “but sooner if!……”
Corey Patterson becomes the Smoke Monster.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Exactly,
Something along the lines of the Zaun-Hughes swap would be realistic
Make the world a better place; punch a Yankee fan in the face!
by PBR me ASAP! on May 14, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather have Luke Scott than Rhyne Hughes
at least Scott has hot streaks
Outs in baseball are like lives in Mario.
Well, we are well aware of what Luke provides us
Hellacious hot streaks mixed into multiple prolonged droughts. Ryhno is still young and worth giving an opportunity to before judging his long term potential (or lack there of). And unless Luke can learn to play 1st base he’s going to be odd man odd when Felix and Nolan return. So we might as well get something in return for him.
Make the world a better place; punch a Yankee fan in the face!
by PBR me ASAP! on May 14, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Rhyno isn't actually young though
and not much of a prospect. He’s most probably a replacement level guy. Luke Scott is a better baseball player. I’m down for trading off Scott, just not simply to free up space. If we trade him, I’d want something more than a replacement level dude.
Outs in baseball are like lives in Mario.
Yep
I really think trading Luke by himself is probably kind of pointless, as we will most likely not get anything back that’s worth it. Luke would be a nice extra piece in a package deal for someone though. If we’re looking to move a guy like Guts or Millwood at the dealine, he might be a good barganing piece to throw in to get a better piece back.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
sure, but isn't 5 years younger a meaningful difference?
It’s not like we’re talking about the difference between 38 and 33.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
And isn't the difference in quality
between Scott and Hughes meaningful?
I’m starting to think that you’re absolute hatred of the guy is blinding you.
Outs in baseball are like lives in Mario.
Sure quality matters
I’d obviously like to get something more than Hughes, but to say that age is a problem for a trade like that doesn’t make any sense to me. If we can get somebody who’s 5 years younger than Luke with some potential I say do it. Luke Scott is very much not part of any future plans for the organization, so we should try to get some value for him.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Oh I agree wholeheartedly
but Rhyne Hughes just isn’t a prospect, and part of that is his age. I’d want a prospect back for Luke, or as someone else suggested, to put him in as a part of a package for something even better than some type B prospect.
Outs in baseball are like lives in Mario.
True
I would hope that Luke Scott would have more trade value than Greg Zaun.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Zaun was just the 1st thing that popped into my head
Certainly Luke should have more value than Zaun, apples to apples. My original point being, trading Luke won’t bring about any earth-shattering returns, but, as you pointed out just above, he doesn’t fit into the long term plans of the organization; particularly once Nolan fixes his issues (which I have confidence he will) and Felix gets healthy.
Make the world a better place; punch a Yankee fan in the face!
by PBR me ASAP! on May 14, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I agree
It’s not that Luke is a bad player (as much as I dislike him I can’t argue with his overall OPS over the last few seasons even if it is maddeningly inconsistent month to month) – he just doesn’t have a realistic role on this team.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
HAHA... that was for you.
Also, I’ll admit it. Instead of spending time with my wife and doing Happy Hour with my work friends, I promptly sped home after work last night and created about 46 fradulent email address spanning across hotmail, gmail, aol and yahoo so that I could keep Luke Scott in the mix for the internet poll that will remain on the front page for a day.
I clearly did this because I was one of the two knuckleheads discussing who deserved the award most.
by Wieters Wieners on May 14, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree... you should have at least been on the ballot.
Stacey is just narrow-minded.
If it means anything, I would’ve refreshed my cache for you KBA
by Wieters Wieners on May 14, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
What are you talking about....
I just think someone like Bobby Valentin would do a much better job.
by Wieters Wieners on May 14, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure
This team may not deserve the sort of quality leadership a man like John Gibbons provides.
you deserve a punch in the FACE
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
In all seriousness
There was an extensive post on Royals Review about managerial candidates for the Royals after this season. It really goes in depth with each candidate, and is one of the most informed post I have ever seen on an SB Nation blog.
Its really good.
http://www.royalsreview.com/2010/5/13/1468887/the-big-list-of-managerial
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
Hey -- no stealing signs!
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
I havent seen this yet
Johnson out 8-10 weeks with a slight tear in his elbow.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 14, 2010 10:43 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah what a joke.
Rehabbing it?? All you can do is make the muscles around it really strong, but the tear isn’t going to heal. What’s the point? He’s still pretty young – he should just have the surgery and come back full strength next year.
I tore mine during junior year and would have missed senior year with the surgery, so I “rehabbed” it and was able to pitch without the pain for all of one appearance before it went back to the exact same thing. Waste of time.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Oh that is badass...
There are bunch of gifs and photoshopped pics that get this close to that edge, especially the luger flying off the tracks into the WTC on 9/11 (Decatur @ 12:25am).
I wish I was that funny/creative.
by TerroristFistJab on May 14, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that wasn't even close
to the edge.
That was wayyyyy too far. I had to look past that though to appreciate the awesomeness of the thread.
by Wieters Wieners on May 14, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
When I saw it...
I had no clue what it was. I think that one probably was “wrong” in a sense, but it wasn’t egregious. The one with Nyjer Morgan included in the photo of the napalmed kids running from Saigon was pretty out there.
by TerroristFistJab on May 14, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I couldn't stop looking at that one
I was like, this should be so wrong… and yet somehow it pulls it off.
Yeah...
It was wrong, but too creative to be wrong wrong.
One of my favorites was also 9/11 themed, where Nyjer is photoshopped onto the fake picture from the observation deck. I’m going to hell, aren’t I?
by TerroristFistJab on May 14, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you post that here.
my computer goes irresponsive whenever I try to look at it.
Everyone thought Baltimore was three easy wins and we got our ass kicked three times. - Dustin Pedoria, After the Red Sox got swept by the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on May 14, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm trying to...
But I’m not able to find an article on SBN about linking GIF’s. I’m not too good with teh internetz.
by TerroristFistJab on May 14, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Go here
http://www.camdenchat.com/2010/4/17/1427880/how-to-make-pictures-a-suitable
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
the image you tried to post was linked to your drive....
C:\Documents and Settings\alewis\Desktop\Wrong.gif
For it to show up, it has to be hosted somewhere on the internet, and then you link to that…
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
THIS
Was sooo damn good…. Im a little jealous now.
Is it ok if I become a Mariner fan now?
Seriously… mad skillz yo
by Wieters Wieners on May 14, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
You do realize you don't have to use the Bieber avatar anymore, right?
Said this yesterday, but you didn’t reply to it.
Everyone thought Baltimore was three easy wins and we got our ass kicked three times. - Dustin Pedoria, After the Red Sox got swept by the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on May 14, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Half day :P
Everyone thought Baltimore was three easy wins and we got our ass kicked three times. - Dustin Pedoria, After the Red Sox got swept by the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on May 14, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah... I know
Im just lazy. And its grown on me
by Wieters Wieners on May 14, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
404. Ball not found.
Awesome.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Yeah.. that was my favorite one
Simple and Genius.
by Wieters Wieners on May 14, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I had to wipe my glasses THREE TIMES while scrolling down this thread. Some of these are simply comic brilliance...
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Just bought a Matusz jersey on MLB Shop.
It’s well wort the extra ten bucks to get Matusz’s name on it.
Everyone thought Baltimore was three easy wins and we got our ass kicked three times. - Dustin Pedoria, After the Red Sox got swept by the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on May 14, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions
I'd get one
But he would probably get traded or injured within a week.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on May 14, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
gettin a little scared with Simon as a closer
And it’s funny, because I thought we’d rarely have to use him.
BY THE WAY
“The Throw” from last night’s game was #4 on ESPN’s Web Gems:
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5187848
Weiters gets the credit, but both Corey’s throw and Simon’s fistpump were prominently featured.
wow,
the #1 webgem is sick.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
yeah
plays #2 and #3 were good, but I unbiasedly believe that the Patterson-Wieters play was much better (considering the game was on the line, we usually lose, and God hates us, etc)
But the #1 play was crazy.
By the way, I’m sick of hearing about Derek Jeter in plays he has nothing to do with. He’s not the best shortstop in the world, assholes.
yeah fuck that Jeter talk
also what is that guy talking about? Planting on your back leg to throw allows you to get more on the throw than doing that stupid jump throw that Jeter does.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Now this is a matter of personal...
taste, but I wholeheartedly agree. If a guy has the range and control over his body to be able to jump throw, he should be able to fucking stick his leg in the turf and get the throw to first with the needed accuracy and velocity.
Just think, in a few years the Yankees will know what it’s like to live life without the Captain and will be treated to years upon years of sucky replacement-level SS play.
by TerroristFistJab on May 14, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
...or they'll just buy Hanley or Tulo....
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by PBR me ASAP! on May 14, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
yah.. i was surprised by the show of positive emotion
forgot what that looked like
New clip above...
…Chris Ray’s starting to come down to earth.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
'Bout time.
Nothing against him, of course. But I looked at his peripherals a week or two ago; they are atrocious.
K/9: 4.11
BB/9: 4.70
HR/9: 1.76
GB%: 29.2%
FIP: 6.28
So how is his ERA still under 3?
LOB%: 94.2%
BABIP: .162
Yeah. He’s been really, really lucky.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
This would be my profile pic...... if it was remotely relevant to the Os or even baseball
by Wieters Wieners on May 14, 2010 12:37 PM EDT reply actions
I hope the Bulls grab him.
IDK why, but I’d like it if he would sign there.
Everyone thought Baltimore was three easy wins and we got our ass kicked three times. - Dustin Pedoria, After the Red Sox got swept by the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on May 14, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know...
If he can’t get over the hump in CLE, how is he going to handle the pressure of being compared to MJ in CHI?
by TerroristFistJab on May 14, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I like our chances for Saturday's game.
Not only is it Matusz, but the Indians are hitting .209/.289/.281 against lefties.
Maybe we should give DH’s start to Hendo? I’m almost not kidding.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I'm calling it right now, Matusz no-no.
Everyone thought Baltimore was three easy wins and we got our ass kicked three times. - Dustin Pedoria, After the Red Sox got swept by the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on May 14, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't he have a great outing against them last year, too?
Everyone thought Baltimore was three easy wins and we got our ass kicked three times. - Dustin Pedoria, After the Red Sox got swept by the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on May 14, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha, good point.
I think that’s the awesome one with eight strikeouts. Wish I could watch that video from work.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I would LOVE this idea...
Seriously…. lets get a competition going. Say if the situation arises where are particular team struggles against Righties/Southpaws, that guys gets the start until someone emerges from the rubble and lays claim to that spot. Its not like we are getting much out of Hernandez lately anyway. And neither of those guys are going to be in the rotation longterm…. presumably.
by Wieters Wieners on May 14, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm on a roll today.
Want to see a single player get a WPA over .900? Here you go.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
If it wasn't for...
Tony Gwynn Jr and AGonz, I’d have sworn that was a Norfolk Tides intersquad game:
Oscar Salazar
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Aubrey Huff
Eli Whiteside
by TerroristFistJab on May 14, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
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