DDDWTF for 5/15: Cesar Izturis' attempted 5th inning steal
by zknower on May 16, 2010 10:42 AM EDT
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In every Orioles game, there's at least one managerial move made by Dave Trembley that confounds intelligent baseball fans, a move that causes observers everywhere to smack their palms into their foreheads and unleash a string of curses.
Sometimes the move is based on some ridiculous notion of "old school" baseball which ignores how the game has changed over the years. Other times, it's based on an obsession with "small ball" or late inning matchups. But most often, it's simply a move that leaves O's fans confused and speechless, unable to do anything except turn to each other and say: WTF!?!
These are some of those moves.
There were many nominees last night which might have won the inaugural DDDWTF award.
Certainly Trembey's pulling of Koji, who pitched effectively in the 8th inning and had only thrown 16 pitches, in favor of Alfredo Simon, who has been damned lucky as a closer (given his WHIP of 1.5), was questionable.
There was also much outcry in the gamethread when DD inexplicably subbed Lugo in for Wiggy in the eighth inning, and sent Wiggy to the showers. While making a defensive change is understandable, Wiggy is the Orioles' hottest hitter (5 for his last 8), and had hit two homers in the game. He could have easily slid over to first and replaced Garret Atkins, who's batting .253.
But really, the most egregious Trembley blunder last night came in the fifth inning. In a tight, 2-0 game, with Izturis on first and Atkins third, and only one out, Corey Patterson (who was hitting .400 at the time) was up to bat. Inexplicably, Trembley sent Izturis (who has stolen two bases all year) against Lou Marson (who is second in the league in throwing out base stealers). The predictable results were enough to make any Orioles fan scream, WTF!?!
(Edit: If in fact, as has been mentioned below, Izturis went on his own, then DD's subbing of Lugo for Wiggy shall be sufficient to win the prize).
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According to Roch
And based off of his question to Trembley on that move, Izturis ran on his own. If Izturis didn’t run on his own, then Trembley sure as hell made it sound like he ran on his own.
So I’m going with Izturis ran on his own.
Yeah
Because players running on their own isn’t the fault of the manager at all. That totally makes you look better Dave. Instead of being a moron, you’re an asshole who can’t control Cesar freaking Izturis.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I agree with you
But some people are also plain stupid despite their training and coaching.
I would have been more concerned if Trembley called for the SB. But again, I agree with you.
I'm more concerned that Dave is hanging guys out to dry
His passive aggressive bullshit last night was revolting. If he hasn’t utterly lost the clubhouse yet, that will help shove him down that road.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
hahaha yeah
he kind of put Kranitz out there, Simon, Izturis…
This is what Trembley said...
“That is something that needs to be discussed there,” Trembley said. “I’d rather not say anything bad about Izzy there. That’s not the game. The game was in the ninth inning.”
I’m not sure what you can say when something like that happens and Izzy did go on his own. Short of lying and saying “I sent him” or “He went on his own, but I thought it was a good play”, all you can do is basically say “Mistakes were made.” and be done with it.
As for the clubhouse, I doubt thay’re very happy with Izzy running either.
You can be in charge of the situation
If Izzy had the greenlight, well, you gave him the greenlight.
Is this good or bad?
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on May 16, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Careful gentlemen
“relentless negativity” and recommending Trembley be fired will result in a banning.
The case only gets stronger. Goodbye Dave.
I wager that if/when he gets fired
we win at least 14 of 20 games
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on May 16, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions
You know, before reverting.
Kinda the reverse of the 30-3 game upon his signing.
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on May 16, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
At this rate, by the time Dave is fired...
….we’ll be lucky if we have 25 healthy guys without raiding Bowie.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Oh, cool
I love Pessoa and highly recommend him. “The Book of Disquiet” is definitely worth picking up.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Noted.
Seems to be kind of ahead of his time conceptually. More of postmodern bent. Hell, heteronyms could be a phenomenon spawned by online discussion forums.
It has actually surprised me...
…that we haven’t had any famous instances of heteronyms among bloggers so far. It seems like the kind of stunt that was made for blogs.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Fernando Pessoa is of course Portuguese for Ferdinand Person.
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on May 16, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially bad because there was a runner on third
and Corey then hit a fly ball to center that would have resulted in a run if there had still only been one out.
One good way to make yourself feel better about that moment is to think...
That it wouldn’t have mattered anyway because we gave up 8 runs in the 9th ;)
Tommy likey new feature.
I like that the ultimate goal is maybe not to get Dave Trembley fired but to shine a rational light on the confounding individual decisions that he makes. Decisions that the Sun/MASN reporters never seem to directly question when they have the chance. People do highlight the Roch question above but he should have followed up.
Love the logo. The name is cool. The acronym stays true to the culture. But if you are looking for larger appeal, It should probably be considered that the F is an F. Audience participation, voting, ranking perhaps even spreadsheeting may drive interest. But the effort would probably be all for naught. I believe we have very little time left with DD. Cherish the moments.
I will be very happy when we aer able to retire this particular feature. :)
I suppose it could be “WTH!?!”, but seriously? On this blog?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
it could be like fmylife.com
where we claim the f stands for something else even though we all know what it really means.
I hate...
that teams with marginal to bad closers, nevertheless feel the need to trot out said pitcher because he is, afterall, the closer. Closer by committee is not a bad idea for a team with a bullpen this bad. It would allow Trembley the freedom to use the best pitcher available. Albers threw ONE pitch. Why not keep him in? Why not get Simon out in the midst of him setting the table for the Indians, you know before all the damage was done? It’s not like he is a shutdown closer that has EARNED this kind of leeway/respect.
by Delmarvalous Tom on May 16, 2010 1:19 PM EDT reply actions
Here's the thing
The bullpen ISN’T this bad. Albers has been effective after struggles. Koji’s done his job. Hendo, with the exception of a bad out or two, has been serviceable. Ohman’s been overused but effective. Berken’s done well. JJ is shipped out, and Simon may be after another game like Saturday’s.
It’s DD’s constant Parade of Relievers like every day is May Day at Red Square that drives down the effectiveness of the group. If you trot out 3,4,5 pitchers a night every night, you’re bound to find one that doesn’t have it that night.
This group isn’t as bad at DD is making them look.
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
Unfortunately...
… the way baseball works these days, we all knew that Simon was going to close until he melted down at least once. I doubt there’s a single manager who would yank away the closer’s role based on a shaky appearance or two when the save was ultimately converted. If a manager did do that, you’d hear a lot of fans criticizing him for undermining so-and-so’s confidence, etc.
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