Rangers 13, Orioles 7: Instead of a game recap, enjoy this useless complaining
Great couple of games, huh? It's funny, I know that you guys, of all people, can relate to what I'm about to say. You're here, after all. You're paying attention to the Orioles at a time when most people aren't and you probably wish you weren't either.
I was just talking to a friend and fellow O's fan the other day about we both have a problem with the fact that we can't not care. I generally try to keep my self-pitying Orioles fan persona off of this site, because those of you who know how I feel already understand, and to everyone else it's just whining. But this friend and I tend to commiserate quite a bit, because sometimes you just have to complain and say, "why me?" It's not interesting or productive, but it makes me us feel a little bit better.
Anyway, about not being able to not care. We were wondering if this is actually rock bottom, can the Orioles actually get worse than they are right now. I said to him, "This has to be the bottom. Could it get worse than this?" and he replied, "I've been asking myself that for five years now, and it has continued to get worse." Bottom line we decided we're just screwed. We can't not care. We can't choose another team. Our only choice is to be miserable.
For me, Camden Chat is kind of a double edged sword. On one hand, I have this great outlet where I can broadcast my opinions, vent my frustrations, celebrate the (few) successes, and be surrounded by like-minded Orioles fans. On the other hand, I kind of HAVE to pay attention to the Orioles, even when I don't really want to. I'm not complaining about my position; I wouldn't change it. But sometimes, like last night, or last summer when they were losing 13 games in a row, it gets very hard to think about not only paying attention to these jerks, but also finding things to say about them that aren't filled with rage or sadness.
Normally if I'm not home or if I'm doing something that keeps me from the game, I still check the score on my phone, still pay attention as much as I can without it impeding my other plans and/or being rude to the people I'm with. Even when I'm annoyed and angry at them, I still do that. But somehow, last night, I didn't care. I listened to the beginning of the game in the car and turned it on when I got home, but when Vladimir Guerrero hit his home run a switch flipped and suddenly I wanted to be as far away from the Orioles as possible. I turned off the game and turned on my favorite yoga DVD. I thought briefly about putting the game back on when I was finished but didn't want to. I knew if I did, my post-yoga mellow would be defeated by my Orioles-induced anger. So I put on Grey's Anatomy and didn't think about the game again, and it was great. I thought maybe I could not care in the long term, because it was pretty great.
This morning, I care again. Because I'm a sicko. I'll be watching them get pummeled by the Nats of all teams this weekend along with the few other fans who haven't been driven to apathy.
Like I said in the title, this is just useless complaining. But you know, I just kind of felt like whining a little bit. If you want to whine as well, feel free. I know how you feel.
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pair it with a reward
makes it more tolerable.
This is a recap — just of how many of us are feeling. It isn’t entirely useless, since at least we don’t feel alone. I commented after the MacPhail video that the video was pointless since the folks who watch it don’t have to keep faith, but can’t shake their incurable disease. No one responded to that, and I felt a bit embarrassed at my self-pitying outburst. Now, not so much. Thanks!
I watched every bit of last night’s adventure, but I didn’t listen to a word of it. This makes it much easier to take — my real focus was on a first listen to some new records of old bands, the O’s were just something to occupy my eyes. I got a lot out of The Blues Project Reunion. The O’s were what they are. Maybe you could do the yoga to some tunes while the game is on in the room. The competing reward blunts the pain of the self-injurious behavior.
Has there ever been a cooler Oriole than Eddie Murray? I mean, just straight up cool. Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08
I’ve stopped making projections of the team’s record a while ago. Once the long losing streak sort-of ended, I tried to guess wins and losses for the next few series, and I was usually pretty close. Then they went 3-5 against the Mariners, Indians and Royals, and I realized their wins so far were due almost exclusively to luck. (How the hell did they sweep the Red Sox?) So I no longer feel capable of guessing. They are actually likely to lose every series. I don’t want this to be the case, and I still root for them to win while they’re actually playing, but obviously no loss can be considered surprising at this point.
This really is a bad team. Possibly a historically bad team. I don’t know how this happened. How does an entire team slump at the same time? Would Wieters be hitting more consistently if he were playing for the Rays? Has Garrett Atkins truly deteriorated to this extent? Should we expect Markakis to hit fewer than 10 home runs a season from now on? What the hell happened to these people? It resembles a curse.
Whiner!
Same thing has happened to me the last few games Stacey. I was at the bar last night trying to watch the game and I just couldn’t after all the Texas HRs and Orioles base runners left on 2nd and 3rd. Hopefully, the series against the Nats is more bearable.
On that note, I’ll be going to the game on Saturday if the weather is polite. My brother got some pretty good tickets and I will probably be wearing my “It’s always next year shirt”. If you are going feel free to stop me and cheers me or bitch about Atkins/Dave.
The future is not what it used to be.
Look, the whining is not unwarranted.
It’s not terribly helpful, I understand. But the team is total shit right now. Total shit. And we’re supposed to be in “stage 2” and “judged on wins and losses,” and while none of us here really believed that part of it, we had no reason to expect THIS, and so it seems perfectly reasonable to be upset about it.
"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008
Adam Jones is the tits.
by KenDixonFanClub on May 21, 2010 8:09 AM EDT reply actions
Here's my problem
It totally could get worse. We’ve had OK starting pitching so far. If it goes south, like it did last night, we’ve got a few 2-16 runs in our future. This could be a historically bad team.
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
This is what I am hoping for...
How many times in the last dozen years have the Orioles started off strong in April and May… began to fade in June… and then tank it after the All-Star break? So maybe this team will improve as the season progresses. Maybe they will build momentum going into next season with a strong second half, with the young players turning it around and trusting in their abilities. The plan was never to win in 2010. The plan was to compete in 2012. Use the rest of the season to sort out the bullpen. Find out how good Koji can be. Berken seems to have found a home out there. I haven’t given up on Simon and his 1.87 WHIP… possibly as a set up man. Ohman as a left-handed specialist. Everyone else should be gone by next year. Find a closer… maybe in the minors, maybe in free agency (though that didn’t work out this year).
I am telling you, if this team strings together some September wins against contenders, it will give them the confidence they need. That’s what the Rays did in 2007. They were in last place… again, but they were not the team you wanted to play in September. They were young and talented, and had a chip on their shoulder. If the Orioles can be that team this year, then I still believe they can contend in the near future. If they start waiving the white flag in August, like they have every year in recent memory, then next year will be more of the same.
There's a huge difference between the Os now and the Rays then
We don’t have an Evan Longoria in the minors. Even the most optimistic of us can’t be projecting Josh Bell to be as good as Longoria. We also don’t have as much pitching. We just don’t. I’m becoming increasingly afraid that this team is nowhere close to competing even in 2012 or 2013. There’s just too many holes.
"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008
Adam Jones is the tits.
by KenDixonFanClub on May 21, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Excuse me while I whip up a fresh batch of Kool-aid
Wieters is supposed to be our Longoria. Have we completely given up on him because he hasn’t hit lights out? The Rays have Dioner Navarro catching… I hope we think we can match that kind of production at third base. Adam Jones is supposed to be our Carl Crawford… have we given up on him, too because he is struggling? Brob, if he ever gets healthy, is every bit of the table setter that Bartlett is. We need Matusz and Arrieta to be as good as advertised, Millwood’s arm not to fall off by next year, and pick up 1 young starter (like the Rays did with Garza) and Bergeson or Hernandez can be the 5th starter. Fix the bullpen, and the 2011 Orioles are the 2008 Rays. The rest is just culture, sprinkled with a little luck. It is obvious that the Rays were built for 2010, and the 2008 team just didn’t know any better, and played the whole season beyond their abilities. We’re not built for 2011, but why can’t that happen for us?
I am not saying it is going to happen. I am just saying that it needs to be possible. There is a lot of young talent on this team, more than there has been in years, and if we can harness that talent, then we can compete. If it sounds delusional, that’s because it is. But all I’ve got right now is delusions on grandeur.
I'd argue it's not possible
We’re supposed to contend in 2012. What’s our lineup going to be?
1) Pitcher – Tillman, Matusz, Bergesen, Arrieta, Hernandez/Erbe/Berken/TBA
Not so bad, actually.
2) Catcher – Wieters. Will he become the offensive powerhouse we need? Magic 8-Ball says Reply hazy, try again
3) 1B – And who is our 1B going to be in 2 years? Brandon Synder? He of the .774 OPS in 6 MiLB seasons? I will not even consider Billy Rowell as even a far-flung possibility.
4) 2B – Brian Roberts? Please. We will be lucky to see him play 100 games a year again. I doubt he comes back this year without a signficiant setback. Who’s taking his spot? L.J. Hoes? With his sub-.940 fielding % in his first two placements in the systems? Justin Turner? Anyone really think he’s the answer?
5) 3B – We had all better hope Josh Bell figures out how to hit left-handers, or there’s no answer there, either, in the near-term. Joel Guzman is at .841 OPS for the year so far.
6) Shortstop – Blake Davis? OBP of .253 so far this year. Next. Pedro Florimon? OPS is below .470.
7,8,9) Outfield – Where are our next outfielders if Adam Jones flames out and Corey Patterson regressed to being Corey Patterson again?
I’m actually less worried about pitching than hitting.
There are NO bats in our system. None. That’s a lot of bats to buy when all but 3 slots in our lineup are currently occupied by players 30 or older, including our entire infield, our DH and one of our corner outfielders.
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
I’d assume at some point we buy a bat to play at 1B. Or I can dream.
OF-Pie/Jones/Markakis with Scorey being a maybe.
This year started out with such lofty developmental expectations and it feels like we just got punched in the nuts out of no where. Here we are grasping for air as everyone points and laughs at us. It really is an awful experience.
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on May 21, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
'Lofty expectations' if you mean...
we were hoping to finish around .500 and ahead of the Blue Jays. Sad that that is what qualifies as ‘lofty’ round these parts….sigh….
Make the world a better place; punch a Yankee fan in the face!
by PBR me ASAP! on May 21, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
One step at a time
Unfortunately for us, the one step for the 2010 season has sent us hurtling into the screaming abyss.
I'm ready for a straight jacket. - Joe Angel, 4/17/10 (O's record: 1-11)
by Eat More Esskay on May 21, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
But its true
I’d have celebrated a .500 season like we just won the WS.
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on May 21, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
So much for Turner....
DFA’d
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
this post makes me very sad
we realllllly need some hittahs
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on May 21, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
How many times in the last dozen years have the Orioles started off strong in April and May… began to fade in June… and then tank it after the All-Star break?
I had that thought for a moment but then I realized that our schedule is always brutal in Sept. I’m not hopeful.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
This is why I tuned out last night as well.
Right after the Cruz HR. I love this team and I have followed them w/o pause my entire life. But at some point it’s just not healthy to subject one’s psyche to this constant barrage of loathing and despair. But, then again, I’m on here 1st thing in the morning checking in to see what happens….Ugh…I need to find a new hobby. Maybe learn how to play guitar or something. This is going to be another long and putrid summer in birdland…
Make the world a better place; punch a Yankee fan in the face!
True.
But I’m not convinced LOB is much more than bad luck. What else could it be? Situation-induced sucking?
By the same token, how can one team have such persistent bad luck?
Or just having terrible bats behind good bats.
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on May 21, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Not really
Wieters accounted for 5. And Jones, Izzy, and Lou 12.
Tejada had 7, but he is never consistently a good hitter. So I put him in the middle.
Scorey was only 1, Nick 0, Wiggs 3. Also, Luke who is heating up, only 2.
Looks like to me the bad hitters are the ones leaving people on base.
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on May 21, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like my daughter's game last night
We had 19 baserunners, and scored 3 runs in 5 innings.
She gave up 4 walks, 1 hit and 1 HBP in 3 innings, and had 7 Ks. And left down 6-3.
It’s like watching the O’s. And my daughter is Kevin Millwood.
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
Ouch
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on May 21, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
If they don't shape up, this team will always be hated
I was thinking again about ‘88 with the no expectations heading into the season, and the O’s sure delivered. You think back at the sad sacks that year and still kind of chuckle.
This team is an entirely different beast. Expectations were moderately high this year. The O’s were expected to make some strides. The front office was talking about it’s time to start winning. MacPhail stated something to the effect that this is the best team coming north that he’s had. Baseball writers were even taking slight notice and writing that things may be getting better in Baltimore. Then the season started and, to put it bluntly, the team shit the bed. We’ve watched injuries and the young guys under perform, and these guys were to be the nucleus of the future. It has dashed any optimism we had not only for this season but for 2011 and beyond.
You had some excitement coming into this season and the O’s killed it right out of the gate. If they continue to stink you will look back in ten years and still think “I hated that fucking team”.
by drj on May 21, 2010 9:03 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Time tends to mitigate harsh feelings
I remember being sick and tired of the ’88 team. But even then you knew they never had a chance. The exasperation with that team has turned into a small chuckle at their ineptness.
This team was supposed to be different. If they continue to be a disheartening disgrace, I think this is one case where time will not ease the hard feelings. You’ll still recall hating them 15, 15, 20 years from now.
The part I can't handle
Look, I can deal with the losing. I can deal with Atkins being useless and the rest of it.
What I can’t handle is the total fucking lack of any hope for the future.
Remember when Matt Wieters was supposed to be Jason Heyward but a catcher? Remember when Matusz was going to win rookie of the year? When Fangraphs was talking about our giving Adam Jones a long term deal? We’ve brought up three top ten prospects in the last season and a half in Wieters, Matusz and Tillman. None of them have done what was expected. Jones looks like he may never figure it out.
The season is still young, and these kids have time to figure it out. But what I can’t bear is watching our top prospects bust, one after another. If they all fail, we have nothing. Not now, and not in the years to come.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Yeah, going in to the season people were sayin Matusz was all but a lock to win ROY
the only question was if he would also win the Cy Young.
I think I am starting to question just how divine SHJ really is too. I dont know how many times I can take watching him hit the double play ball. I got really sad when I saw someone on here (at least i think it was here) concede that maybe what we should really expect out of his career is a .280 hitter with about 20-25 HRs.
That would be me
and I’m think .275 with 15 HRs
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
Well
A Chris Hoiles type hitter would be better than anyone we got right now (at their current levels)
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
by NewYorkOriole on May 21, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
James
I have never heard or read someone so mirror my sentiments regarding this team before. Seriously man, we are on the same page. It’s become obvious that not a single player has come up from the Farm and made an impact worth believing in. Sure, Matusz and Bergesen and Wieters look good from time to time, but there is absolutely no consistency to their game. Jones truly looks like he will never live up to the hype, same as Markakis, whom everyone believes is some kind of great player. I won’t even mention Reimold, injury or no injury.
What I don’t get is why fans think the O’s will turn it around when Brob comes back. Have we ever been good with Brob in the lineup? Sure, 2005 until June. I never thought I would give up, but I’m close. The fact that Trembley, Crowley and a few others still have jobs is enough to make instill long-term fear.
by Elton Alwine on May 21, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe ....
We all need a 12 step program. I am the same — can’t resist checking the scores and so forth. Unlike most of you, I am old enough to remember all of the glory days, so maybe even worse for me. Of course, am also old enough to know better!
"Killing a Yankee fan -- is that illegal in this state?" -- Homicide Life on the Street
I think I knew this season was done...
when MASN started running those “Maximum Izturis” commercials
i think...
you can get a prescription for maximum izturis.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 21, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand the futility and juvenile nature of it, but...
it would make me feel better (and be infinitely more entertaining) if someone would go Zambrano on a water cooler, or if Trembles would go vintage Pinella on an ump, something. Show me that they care and that they are frustrated at being shit on day-in and day-out. Jones got fined (or likely will be getting fined) by the league for slamming his helmet down a few games back when he GIDP to end an inning. But other than that, it just seems like there is zero fire or passion on this team; a veritable collection of J.D. Drew’s & John Olerud’s. All quite, self reflective, and meek. Fuck that shit. Everyone on the team (with the exception of Ohman) is too uptight. Maybe that’s the problem; they can’t get out of their own heads.
Make the world a better place; punch a Yankee fan in the face!
Didn't DT do that once last year?
They’re definitely mind-fucked, but they’re also just not that good. I think that’s been the hardest thing for me to swallow this year – the realization that these guys just aren’t that good. The current personnel will likely never produce a winner. There are some pieces to build around (Matusz, Wieters, Nicky, and maybe a handful out of Jones, Pie, Tillman, Arrieta, etc, but who knows), but there are no centerpieces. If we’re comparing ourselves to the Rays, there is no Longoria – not even close. There is no Garza (hell we’ll be lucky if there’s anybody as good as their 2, 3, or 4 in that group). And compared to them (even in 2007) there are just too many holes. 1B, SS, 3B, 2B (unless BRob makes a miraculous recovery and avoids an age-related regression), LF, and potentially CF. Then there’s the rotation and the bullpen which are basically question marks/holes. The bottom line is the team just isn’t good and really doesn’t have the potential to be good any time soon unless EVERYTHING pans out.
All that being said, they shouldn’t suck nearly as much as they are sucking right now.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I was at a game that he got thrown out of last year.
I think it was vs. Detroit, right around this time (Memorial Day) too.
I think we all agree that the team has brought in some players with immense talent. Now, talent doesn’t necessarily translate into becoming a good player, and there’s the rub. When is someone going to be held accountable for not developing the talent that these players possess? I think it has to goes beyond just Trembley and Crowley ruining a perfectly good ball player. Is this a system wide problem? I admit to not being very well versed in our minor league coaching staff, so if anyone can enlighten me as to their informed opinions regarding this it would be appreciated.
Make the world a better place; punch a Yankee fan in the face!
by PBR me ASAP! on May 21, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
and no...
I am not interested in bringing in John Gibbons to threaten to punch various players in their face. Not the type of firey personality I’m looking for
Make the world a better place; punch a Yankee fan in the face!
by PBR me ASAP! on May 21, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
are you sure?
john gibbons can threaten people! deal w/ it!
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 21, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
we should get this guy

He really taught those guys a few things about having fun and then all of a sudden they were good!
I know everyone is shellshocked from this season's suckitude,
But with all due respect, the way some of you are giving up on the young’uns? Really? I’m sorry but it’s too darned early in their careers to do that. Not everyone’s going to blossom immediately a la Longoria, and of course the coaching staff could be hampering their development.
Just my two for what it’s worth.

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