Tuesday Bird Droppings
by duck on May 25, 2010 7:01 AM EDT
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PrintNo game last night, and no more Jack Bauer, either, so enjoys these bits of Orioles news this morning...
Orioles Insider: MacPhail and Angelos meet -- again
Andy MacPhail joked Orioles' owner Peter Angelos is seeing him more than he wants. "He’s gotten a larger dose of me than I think he wants," MacPhail said. "He’s gotten a heavy dose of me recently, but, obviously, he is more likely to see me when things aren’t going well than when things go along as planned." -duck
Athletics-Orioles Preview - CBSSports.com
"Oakland pitchers have gone 20 straight innings without allowing a run, and the Athletics gave up a total of six hits in the final two games of their weekend sweep." Oh, they're gonna LOVE Baltimore, then. -duck
A few updates - MASNsports.com
Among the items listed is a report that Brian Roberts won't be reporting to Sarasota immediately. So, if you had Memorial Day in the "Brian Roberts swings at live pitching" pool, you're gonna lose. -duck
Hot Wigginton needs help in All-Star vote | orioles.com: News
Ty Wigginton should make the All-Star Team, but as a write-in candidate, it's going to be just about impossible to get there from the fan vote. But then again, who else would be the manager's pick to represent the Orioles? -duck
Kevin Cowherd: Is the Baltimore Orioles' Koji Uehara experiment over? - baltimoresun.com
Methinks the answer is: yes. -zk
The Schmuck Stops Here: Orioles: Defending Koji...sort of
I gotta say, I agree with the Schmuck on this one. (BTW, he doesn't defend Koji, he defends the signing of Koji. Big dif.) -zk
Orioles Insider: We'll know tomorrow but ...
Frank Mata will probably be added to the O's today as Koji Uehara and Alfredo Simon are both expected to be placed on the disabled list. -duck
Orioles Insider: Pending roster moves
The tea leaves are pointing toward Chris Tillman or Jake Arrieta getting a start Saturday against Toronto and David Hernandez moving to the bullpen, at least temporarily. -duck
Orioles Insider: Fishing with Luke Scott
You will never guess what Luke Scott did on his day off. Go ahead, guess. It didn't involve lattes, opera or pedicures. Oh, wait, it's in the headline, isn't it? Darn. I really though you'd never guess. -duck
Dave Trembley still Baltimore Orioles manager; Andy MacPhail and Peter Angelos meet - baltimoresun.com
Asked about Trembley on Monday afternoon, MacPhail repeated what he has said in the past: His focus is on roster improvement and not his manager. "We are still working through player personnel issues, which have increased based on our injury issues Sunday," MacPhail said. -zk
What they're saying about the life of Jose Lima - Big League Stew
Touching memories from a number of people around baseball. -Stacey
"At the Ballpark" Functionality Coming to "At Bat 2010" By All-Star Game
So you're at the O's game and you think the ump blew the call at first, but it's hard to tell from your seat and they never show close replays on the jumbo tron, so you don't know for sure. Soon, if you have MLB At Bat you'll be able to instantly watch the replay on your phone. Pretty cool. -Stacey
IN THE MINORS
Orioles Insider: Minor league game recaps - May 24
Norfolk won, Bowie won, Frederick lost and Delmarva won, and added Mychal Givens to their roster. There were four other minor league roster moves yesterday, including Norfolk adding Albert Castillo back to its roster. -duck
Checking in with Brandon Snyder - MASNsports.com - Steve Melewski
"I feel like I left spring training with a little bit of a, I don't know if you call it a hitch or whatever you want to call it, but there was something in my swing not working for me. "It's taken me longer than usual to kind of find that and fix it, but now that I've fixed that I feel a heckuva lot more comfortable at the plate. Things are starting to fall for me. "Early in the season I was hitting a lot of balls right at people. I'm still hitting some balls right at people, but I'm hitting the ball harder on an every at bat basis. So I'm giving myself a better chance for hits. I'm ready to turn this thing around and start having more fun." -zk
Baltimore Orioles prospect Billy Rowell as determined as ever- baltimoresun.com
The more you read about Billy Rowell, the more you get the feeling it's just never going to happen for him. And I almost, almost feel bad for him. -duck
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When did Jonesy start rocking the high socks?
Me likey.
Everyone thought Baltimore was three easy wins and we got our ass kicked three times. - Dustin Pedroia, After the Red Sox got swept by the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on May 25, 2010 7:12 AM EDT reply actions
your bird has an uppercase I
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
zk's quote for the zach britton article is actually from masn about brandon snyder
http://masnsports.com/steve_melewski/2010/05/checking-in-with-brandon-snyder.html
i think you put the wrong link in there
I believe you're right.
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
WTH?
I didn’t even link to a Zach Britton.
I don’t even KNOW Zach Britton.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
*article.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
But do you travel?
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
(inserts Anita Marks joke)
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Do we have to?
Can’t it be a surprise?
Like, Girardi asks for, I dunno, Ohman or something, and then when he gets to Anaheim, there’s this big box from us with a bid red bow on it. And then out steps Garret Atkins. TA DAAAAAAAA!
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Wow
Some of the comments on that Schmuck articles are ridiculous! Are these people serious? I’m so glad we don’t have fans like that here….
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
New Hank III album comes out today
I’m a happy little hellbilly!
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i just heard him for the first time recently
and i was kinda pleasantly surprised…love his stance on country music and his attempts at hardcore music
It’s the Ric Flair Theory of baseball – To be the man, you gotta beat the man. -duck
by Parkinglotninja on May 25, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Lovesick, Broke, & Driftin is my personal fav
It has a great mixture of bluesy honkytonk, with just a tease of the more honkypunk that he unleashed on Straight to Hell
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by PBR me ASAP! on May 25, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Smoke & Wine is mine
That’s some FIERCE steel guitar playing on that song
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
Well, I was referring to an album as a whole
as for 1 song I would have to agree w/ Smoke & Wine
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by PBR me ASAP! on May 25, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Really????????
How did I miss that? What’s it called? I cannot believe I didn’t know this!
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
This was my reaction as well. There was zero pub for this.
Probably since it’s his last record for Curb (whom he hasn’t gotten along with for years). It’s called Rebel Within and it’s up on iTunes already
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by PBR me ASAP! on May 25, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Just found it
And yeah, Hank hates Mike Curb with a passion for dragging his feet so long (like, a decade) on letting him release A**jack material.
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
Ask and you shall receive...
http://weaverstantrum.blogspot.com/2010/03/who-is-frank-mata.html
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Just to add to that...
He’s been at AAA this whole year and he’s been pretty damn good. 1.138 WHIP, 1.86 ERA, 8 BB, 14 K, 0 HR, 19.1 IP
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
We'll find out in a hurry because you know Dave will put him in the game tonight
I'm ready for a straight jacket. - Joe Angel, 4/17/10 (O's record: 1-11)
by Eat More Esskay on May 25, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Blood in the streets again in Wall Street
The dow is down 1500 points in just over a month
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
Tensions in Korea have everyone on edge.
That shit is a powder keg right now and Kim Jong-Ill is tossing lit matches all over the place
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by PBR me ASAP! on May 25, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
According to ESPN's TMI blog...
Brad Bergesen is the unluckiest pitcher in baseball.
The method:
Based on the characteristics of each ball in play (location, trajectory, etc.), I calculated the approximate chance that the average defense converted the ball in play to an out. I added up this probability for every ball in play over each game and over the full 2010 season to arrive at an expected number of hits allowed given the distribution of balls in play.
The results:
Hits Allowed: 60
Expected Hits: 48
Conclusion: The Orioles have played poor defense behind Bergesen. An average defense would have turned 12 more outs on the balls he allowed into play, cutting his BABIP from .327 to .251.
He’s still pitched badly at times — the sinker really wasn’t sinking much before they sent him down — but it’s nice to hear that he’s suffered from some bad luck as well.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I wonder if a lot of those missed outs were on balls hit to the right side of the infield?
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by PBR me ASAP! on May 25, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
i blame billy butler..
fuck that guy.
It’s the Ric Flair Theory of baseball – To be the man, you gotta beat the man. -duck
by Parkinglotninja on May 25, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed. But I'd take him in a heartbeat over the other fraud we currently have maning the position
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by PBR me ASAP! on May 25, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
no doubt about it .
It’s the Ric Flair Theory of baseball – To be the man, you gotta beat the man. -duck
by Parkinglotninja on May 25, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
wait
we have somebody occupying first base? i thought we just had an 8 man lineup and took the automatic out every time his spot came up.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on May 25, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
shit???
I think you might be right. I’ll have to check the box scores to make sure…
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by PBR me ASAP! on May 25, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
previous box scores tell me that he did in fact come to the plate
but we got 2 automatic outs and always with the bases loaded. fuck this guy.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on May 25, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
that would be preferable to his GIDPs
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
by CoachOfEarl on May 25, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
That might actually be better
Atkins does GIDP a lot, at least he would only account for one automatic out that way.
The future is not what it used to be.
by John Stephens on May 25, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
For anyone interested, Tyler Matzek had his pro debut yesterday
Went five innings, gave up one hit, four walks, five strikeouts.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Interesting, dominant but wild.
Matzek/Wheeler/Hobgood/Turner will be an interesting group to follow to see if the Hobgood decision backfires. Mainly Matzek vs. Hobgood
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 25, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
DD gets The Dugout treatment
Sorry I can’t link, but I’m on my cell phone:
http://backporch.fanhouse.com/2010/05/24/the-dugout-an-ache-in-every-stake/
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
by Brotz13 on May 25, 2010 10:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
THIS WAS AWESOME
Great ending
FearAndTrembley: YOU STOP THAT RIGHT NOW, OR ELSE I’M GONNA COME UP THERE AND
and
FearAndTrembley: do absolutely nothing probably
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Should be McPhail as well
You boys better start hitting and getting better in general or, uh, I’ll send Nolan here down to Norfolk.
Duck was looking for a substitute for the far too obvious MacPhail substitute. I’m kind of partial to MacPhlail.
Yeah, we have to wait another year, two, or four to see if Andy’s big vision pans out, but right now he’s just as valid a target as Trembley.
Here's my view on AM
Keith Law had our farm system 6th w/o wieters and tillman. He’s doing his job, if the legit talent flames out then there isn’t much you can do about that i guess. Eventually it will pay off.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 25, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I so disagree with this (drj's comment above)
MacPhail has had a couple of missteps, but on balance, teh O’s have taken HUGE strides forward with him at the helm.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
yeah, the team has taken huge strides...
but he has certainly left himself open to mockery with all the threatening of demoting players and what not while the only action he actually has taken is sending down Nolan.
i don't think he threatened to demote players.
he basically said his patience wasn’t endless. but he’s not going to be so specific as to paint himself into a corner, which is smart.
Atkins is the obvious blind spot. The major question is: who do you replace him with? Hughes? If he continues to suck at the major league level, you jsut have another liability over there.
MacPhail has been patient before and been rewarded for it. See: Pie, Felix. I think he still believes Atkins is going to turn it around. That’s his major flaw.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Replacing Atkins:
For weeks now, I’ve wanted them to put Luke and Wiggy at 1B and DH (dunno which is better at 1B), and call up Turner to start at 2B. With the way Atkins has been hitting, you can’t lose much in offense, and it would be more than made up for in the improved defense at 2B.
Too late for that now.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I know we all hate him, but...
there’s no reason this can’t be done with Lugo.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Except
Lugo sucks offensively too, isn’t great on defense, and has no future with the club.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
turner sucks too
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on May 25, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd probably take my chances with Lugo's offense against Turner's
and I think Lugo’s probably a bit better at 2nd than Wiggs
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Lugo’s better on defense than Wiggy at second, sure. But I’m pretty sure Turner is at least as good as, if not better than, Lugo at second — though, admittedly, I don’t think anyone was thrilled with the idea of him backing up at short.
But on offense, Turner’s had a grand total of 31 plate appearances in the majors — 22 last year and 9 this year. So we really don’t know what he might be able to do, but since he’s shown some ability to walk in the minors, I think it could’ve been better than Lugo’s .213/.250/.213 line, given some time. I’m not trying to say he would’ve solved our offensive problems, because there’s nothing to support that. But he might’ve been a decent guy to have on the bench in the future, and now we’ll never know.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I'm not saying I wish we didn't ditch him
All I said is we can do that (refering to what you wanted to see done with the 1B-2B-DH spots) with Lugo. It would improve defense at 2nd while probably not losing all that much on affense by eliminating Atkins.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Fair enough.
I’ll admit that me not wanting it to be Lugo is partially irrational. I’d just rather see a young guy who might be on the team next year out there instead.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Looks like wwe'll see it in action tonight
Lineup:
Patterson, Wigginton, Markakis, Tejada, Scott, Jones, Wieters, Lugo, Izturis
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Wiggy playing 1B
Interesting….why is Garrett Atkins still here again?
To DD’s credit, at least he’s seen enough to stop playing him. That’s one positive – a player who isn’t produced isn’t being rewarded with more chances to suck.
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
Jury is still out
My personal opinion is it is not so much MacPhail as it is institutional ineptness in the Orioles system. He’s already stated the minors were a mess. People may hate him, but Leo Mazzone said that the system was a mess (before he kept saying it over and over long after he should have shut up). I think MacPhail had a lot of deadwood to overcome and I’m not sure the job is complete.
But he’s the man in charge and the organization is still floundering. Maybe it will change in three years.
You take a lot of potshots at Trembley, but fact is he still has never had the talent to do much with. That’s 90% or so of the puzzle. May as well take those pot shots at MacPhail for the O’s being pathetic this year. They are all pot shots, which by definition aren’t always accurate or fair.
again, disagree
the major league team has a core of position players on it (Nicky, Jones, Wieters) who have been considered by pretty much everyone in baseball as being special. The consensus was, “the Birds have a team to build around.” The team has also had a MacPhail gamble turn out well (Pie) and some unexpected contributions (Reimold).
That’s a better roster than the O’s have had in years. Do you remember what the roster was like when MacPhail came in? These guys are all league average or above, except maybe Reimold, on whom the jury is still out. A few eyars ago, there were holes everywhere.
This year, ALL OF THESE GUYS have been sucking. It’s not just their overall hitting, it’s the WAY their hitting sucks: terrible one-pitch ABs, lack of getting the runner over with no outs. Plus their awful baserunning gaffes, their mental mistakes on defense.
You can choose to think, “we were wrong about them being special”. But scouts’ requests for all of these players when they were potential trading pieces would say otherwise.
These are issues I hang squarely around Trembley’s neck. He has had three years to coach all of the guys above. Yet this year, suddenly they all regressed and forgot how to play baseball?
MacPhail should have an expectation that solid young players who have flourished at every level (including in the majors for Nicky and AJ) will continue to develop in the Show. If they ALL take a step backwards in terms of everyday baseball fundamentals, that is 100% on the coaching staff. And Trembley is in charge of the coaching staff. I have no doubt that he was given the option more than once to say Yay or Nay on all of the current hires.
Anyone can win with the Yankees roster. Anyone. It’s the talented manager who can get guys to play at their potential, and not way below it, on a .500 team. I don’t see that talent with Trembley.
FTR, I was one of the biggest Trembley apologists on this site until about 5 weeks ago. The utter sloppiness on the team this year, and Trembley’s complete lack of acknowledging it or addressing it, are what turned me around.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
by zknower on May 25, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well said
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 25, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Jury is still out.
MacPhail had nothing to do with Markakis. He did not draft Wieters, but did sign him. I don’t give MacPhail credit for those two guys.
For years, the O’s have been nothing special at drafting and developing players. Bad scouting and poor drafting? Poor player development? Probably some of each. Has MacPhail turned it around? The jury is still out. If the system starts producing competent replacement players in a few years, which MacPhail has stated as a goal, we can say it was a success.
The Bedard and Tejada trades were necessary, but were they successful? The two key pieces are Tillman and Jones. Tillman is still really a prospect and Jones has become a hack. You lay Jones’ regression on Trembley. OK. Jones has said he knows he’s pressing and hacking, but he himself hasn’t changed. Maybe a new coaching staff will help. Perhaps it won’t. The jury is still out on both Tillman and Jones.
I just don’t think anyone can call MacPhail’s work a success. As birdman stated below – yeah he’s way better than the incompetence we’ve had, but that’s not being successful. I look at the standings as a measure of success. MacPhail clearly needs more time before we proclaim him a success.
As for Trembley, you can’t claim he’s had decent teams. There are some better young players now (we think), but we’ve seen similar problems with just about every team for the past decade. They start losing and and it compounds into more losing and bad baseball. So I guess we’ve had bad coaching for pretty much a decade. Trembley is just the current bozo. Could there also be bigger issues at play? Fire Trembley and the team will get a spark and finish 32 games out of first instead of 40.
I don’t care if Trembley is fired. I just think he’s getting crap for a lot of stuff that the front office has foisted on him, and he’s also been burned by some unfortunate injuries.
My personal opinion is it is not so much MacPhail as it is institutional ineptness in the Orioles system.
MacPahil is the GM. He IS responsible for any institutional ineptness in the Orioles system.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
Not for ineptness that occurred before he got here
assuming he’s working to fix it, you cant really hold him responsible for mistakes made before his arrival. He’s been on the job for less than 3 years. I think we’re starting to see that its going to take longer than expected to turn this around and at the moment I’m chalking that up the organization being in worse shape than many thought. If its another year or two and we’re still having the same conversation, then some of that starts to fall on MacPhail.
Not for ineptness that occurred before he got here
Sure, I agree. Although I think that ineptness should be cleaned up by now. He’s been on the job long enough now.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
You just don't know
I assume Macphail does not have have full authority to make the moves he wants. There is a long history here with the owner.
He's been on the job for 3 years
Hired June 18, 2007.
OK, 35 months instead of 36.
But how long are we going to hold onto the “the MiLB system was a joke” excuse? Three more years before it’s AM’s fault?
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
I think he has to have long enough for a decent number of players he drafted to start reaching the majors
Or at least when they should start reaching the majors. Its the same reason I generally hate to see college coaches fired in less than 4 years, if you dont give them a full recruiting cycle, its hard to really identify what issues are inherited and which ones arent. I’d want to give him at least two more seasons.
i don’t think anybody disputes that the farm system has improved drastically under MacPhail.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
At Bowie, there's improvement
but show me, aside from 2 starting pitchers, where Norfolk is appreciably better.
Delmarva stunk out loud for large parts of last year and Avery and Hoes got promoted while batting less than .270.
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
but show me, aside from 2 starting pitchers, where Norfolk is appreciably better.
In fairness to MacPhail, the O’s have plucked a bunch of guys from the minor league system recently who would be in AAA (Matusz, Wieters, DH, 3E1N, Berken.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
True
And Josh Bell is better than most hitting prospects we’ve had around these parts
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 25, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
its really sad that a guy who cant hit lefties to save his life
is one of the better hitting prospects we’ve had
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on May 25, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It will still be a while before we will, or should, see it translate into success at the Major League level though
I’m not sure how exactly you identify that point, but i think trying to assess MacPhails performance before then is too difficult. I’m still going to give him the benefit of the doubt for a while longer
Sure, that's fine. I don't disagree with that.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
I think his biggest mistake so far was managing expectations
and/or underestimating the depth of the problem. By so publicly announcing the schedule for our return to respectability, its possible that he put undue pressure on himself to produce results that could result in decisions that are contrary to the long-term interests of the team. I think at times people need to take a step back to try to avoid this.
i'd say before that fuck-up,
was the fuck-up of not pursuing Adam Dunn. This maybe tells me all they look at is AVG and HRs rather than OBP. Sure, he strikes out a fair amount, but he also rarely GiDP. He put up pretty comparable #s to Doucheira last year at about a third of the cost
except....
if we hadn’t started the year 2-18, we’d be right at the expectations he set for this year. the last month is where the Orioles were roughly supposed to be.
The question is: who’s to blame for the 15 or so losses that should have been wins, but weren’t—not because of lack of talent but because of sloppy play or bad managerial decisions? Whomever is to blame, it ain’t MacPhail.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
I think that's the wrong question too
For a club in our position, I simply think that looking at results is a mistake. Our process is the problem.
We’re a rebuilding team, but we’re old and older than we were last season. Our top young players have stagnated or regressed. A number of our players have played while injured and made their injuries worse. We don’t see a lot of pitches and we don’t walk much. We are the slowest team in baseball. We play defense poorly. We often make mental lapses during games.
These problems are the reasons we’ve lost 15 or so games that should have been wins. And they are the responsibility of more than one person. The problem that I have is not that we don’t seem to have a way to win games; as you’ve pointed out, we’re back to our expected game winning pace. The problem that I have is that no one seems to have a clue of what to do to address the problems with our process.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
yeah, I agree
There’s something wrong with our player development system. We’re like the anti-Twins. Looks at the Jays, they have a winning record with a bunch of young, home grown guys contributing.
And I agree you don’t just blame one person.
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There is something wrong with our player development to a degree
But I think this goes beyond that. It is Trembley, it is Crow, it is Samuel, it is the players (to a degree), it is MacPhail and his team. I’m quite convinced at this point that both Trembley and Crow are doing harm to the team, and my feelings are growing progressively more anti-MacPhail as well (although I always feel that there is a limit to how much you can blame MacPhail and how much you can blame Angelos).
Again, I’m not interested in win-loss records. The Jays are largely a mirage; yes, Lind/Hill/Snider is a nice core, but Vernon Wells isn’t this good and neither is Jose Bautista and Romero is a nice young arm who could be an ace for a while but I don’t think Marcum is going to stay at this level. But they have a lot of young arms too, and will probably end up with a decent rotation from it, and they are doing a good job finding guys who can play.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I’ve always thought the Jays have a had a nice core of young talent that rivaled ours. Bautista is playing over his head. But Marcum, Litsch, Lind, Marrow, and Snider were all good minor league players. Romero scuffled a bit in the minors but he straightened things out and carries the imprimatur of being a 1 round pick. Brett Wallace is mashing in AAA. And they picked up some decent prospects in the Halladay trade. I keep saying this and I’ll say it again, don’t underestimate the Jays.
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Our top young players have stagnated or regressed. A number of our players have played while injured and made their injuries worse. We don’t see a lot of pitches and we don’t walk much. We are the slowest team in baseball. We play defense poorly. We often make mental lapses during games.
I don’t care about the W-L record either. I was merely pointing out that MacPhail had an expectation that we would be better this year.
You summarize in the box I’ve quoted, exactly what my issues are with this organization. It’s not the lack of talent, which gets fixed over time. It’s that all the young talent we have is going in the wrong direction. ALL of it.
You say below:
I’m quite convinced at this point that both Trembley and Crow are doing harm to the team, and my feelings are growing progressively more anti-MacPhail as well (although I always feel that there is a limit to how much you can blame MacPhail and how much you can blame Angelos).
I agree 200% with the first part re: trembley and crow. re: macphail, I only blame him for not replacing them sooner. Not sure why he hasn’t other than not wanting to do it mid-year. Which is perfectly legit reason, IMHO, and one that he can’t come out and say aloud.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
I'd say to a degree, MacPhail gets some blame
I drink teh Orange Flavr-Aid as deeply as anyone, but the roster is on MacPhail.
We started with an infield that isn’t younger at 30 at any position. We allow 2 position players and two pitchers (B-Rob, Pie, Gonzo and JJ) to continue after known injuries occur. He bats .500 on his FA acquisitions, with Atkins’ lack of performance almost completely swallowing any gain made by Tejada’s offense.
He continues to foist spare parts that have no business on the 25 man. Castillo? Really? Lugo? Really?
DD gets a lion’s share of the blame for his nightly Parade of Relievers and Crowley gets his share for a hitting philosophy slightly less aggressive than Genghis Khan. BUt MacPhail gets blame for the pieces he gave them to work with, too.
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well if i remember correctly
both pie and gonzo made no mention of their injuries. if that’s true, then that falls on them. if you’re hurting, you need to say something.
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by twistedlogic on May 25, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
this.
also, Lugo was a last minute patch on Brian, who was not forthcoming about how much HE was hurt. Who would you have signed instead? There aren’t many ML-ready options left in the middle of March.
And the Atkins signing deserves every bit of malice we give it. But he (and Miggy) are only supposed to be transitional players anyway. It doesn’t matter much if they perform this year.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Pie's was known about.
It was recurring and eventually got a lot worse. From what I recall, JJ hid his late last year and all this year.
Let’s not forget that they probably pushed Nolan too much with his gimp ankle, too.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
By so publicly announcing the schedule for our return to respectability,
I don’t think that was a terribly high bar to meet. Respectability is a vague term but it doesn’t necessarily mean a winning record or even a .500 team. A 79 win team could be defined as a return to respectability in Andy’s mind. A 79 win team a reasonable goal given preseason projections.
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I dont think it necessarily was either
I’m just not sure i see much value in setting it at all. Internal goals are one thing, but i’m sure stating them publicly has much upside.
conveys progress to the public
Assuages fan morale. Generates interest in the team (albeit a little interest).
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I think the potential gain from this
Is far outweighed by the possibility that dont meet the goal, which with the state of the team was a very real one.
what’s the negative? Fans don’t show up? That’s already happening.
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The fanbase can always be further alienated
Also, i think it can cause people in the organization to then press to meet the stated objective at the cost of sustained improvement. Once you see a plan start to not work because of false assumptions you made at the beginning, you need the flexibility to alter the timeline. I’m not sure MacPhail’s statements have always left him that flexibility.
The problem isn't that they did this...
…as a ploy to get fans to come out.
The problem is that they believed it. Which I think was insane.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
MacPhail has had a couple of missteps, but on balance, teh O’s have taken HUGE strides forward with him at the helm.
I agree but I read that as more as a reflection of the ineptness of previous administrations rather than praise of MacPhail. MacPhail has created a prospect academy in the DR, brought in young talent with upside, and avoided handing out long term contracts to shitty vets. Unfortunately for the O’s, these are huge strides forward.
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I cant decide which is worse
This years black hole at 1B or SS from a couple years ago
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 25, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions
this year's 1B
Nobody had any false hope that those SS would turn into an ‘old self’
Has there ever been a cooler Oriole than Eddie Murray? I mean, just straight up cool. Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08
Nobody should have had false hopes this year
but I still go with Atkins because of the money and the relative ease of position…his performance and salary are absolutely a fucking ridiculous joke. It’s a big joke during a “turn the corner” year.
Outs in baseball are like lives in Mario.
But we had Brandon Fahey getting starts
and Freddie Bynum. It was a disastor of epic proportions.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 25, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
So Reimold has been placed on the temporary DL
for a “family matter”….. wonder if this has anything to do with the Baby Mama Saga?
Roch has it
Says it is for the birth of his kid.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Good
Sort your fucking life out, mate!
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Eh
Who among us didn’t have a baby with our ex-fiancee at 26?
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
>>raises hand sheepishly<<
I’ve led a sheltered life.
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
I'm saying I didn't
He asked who hasn’t.
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
his family probably got depressed that he's only hitting .088
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by twistedlogic on May 25, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, on the bright side, at least Steve Phillips isn't our GM
What a tool
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he took a break from banging that (unattractive) intern to give an interview?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Like I said, what an f-ing tool
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by PBR me ASAP! on May 25, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
link fail.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
I'll won't mind losing the BRob swings by Memorial Day
If I can win the ‘Atkins is gone by Memorial Day’ pool.
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
This will be a good test for McPhail
if he is serious about his talk of ‘His focus is on roster improvement and not his manager’ then Atkins needs to be shit-canned post haste. If he keeps Atkins on then Andy has just blown some more smoke up our collective asses.
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by PBR me ASAP! on May 25, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Addition by subtraction
should be a no brainer
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
by CoachOfEarl on May 25, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
All Star Game
Can we get Markakis in there please? I’m stoked that Wiggity is smoking the ball all over the place and all, but Nicky needs to make it to the ASG FFS.
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
Hard to break in as an OF
We’ll end up sending whoever Girardi picks, I suspect.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
That was a joke
Girardi pucking Guthrie. Get it? No? Not funny? Oh well.
But yea, it’s pretty much a lock that it’s either Wiggs or Nick.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I lol'ed!
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by PBR me ASAP! on May 25, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
we dont deserve an all star
Thats really the truth. Or Millwood, the first winless all-star. Thats kinda sad.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 25, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say Wiggy deserves it.
The only other serious 2B candidate is Cano, who’s comparable stat-wise — he will, of course, win it, because he’s a Yankee — but a .294/.359/.601 line is pretty freaking good.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
The idea that Wiggy will be an All Stat before Nick
Makes my brain hurt. More so than DDT does on a regular basis.
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
Do we have to?
Can’t it be a surprise?
Like, Girardi asks for, I dunno, Ohman or something, and then when he gets to Anaheim, there’s this big box from us with a bid red bow on it.
And then out steps Garret Atkins. TA DAAAAAAAA!
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
What do you think the odds are...
…Atkins could even hit one out during home run derby?
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Meh
His wOBA is .366 tied for second best of his career. His wRC+ is 126, his second best number to date as well.
Love him for what he is.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I do.
but it’s going to be tough to get an all-star birth without some HRs from a corner OF spot – unless he hits .360 like Ichiro.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
the .406 obp makes me forget about his average power
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 25, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
unfortunately it doesn't make the voters forget about his average (2 hrs is average???) power
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
well he's on pace for 47 doubles as well
and his HR numbers are consistently around 20 for the year. So yea, average.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 25, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
is the all-star team based on career HR numbers???
Look I like the guy but he’s not hitting for power at all right now.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
we were talking about the all star game?
I’m more saying what he’s going to mean to our team for the rest of the year.
Ok right now he isn’t really hitting for power, doubles but not really hr’s
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 25, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm guilty for not reading before posting
Go ahead and stone me now
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 25, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
are there any...WOMEN here today?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
thumbs up or thumbs down on 24 finale
I don’t want to look at the 24 thread for fear of spoilers.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
thumb in the middle
or possibly slightly above middle
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by twistedlogic on May 25, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
On the Posnanski Scale
it was about a 0. Maybe a 0.5. It felt like just another season ender (one very familiar), and hardly as epic as I wanted the series ender to be. But it was solid, suspenseful in places, and wrapped up the season-long storylines nicely for me.
Outs in baseball are like lives in Mario.
Agree with Andrew_G
It felts like a season-ender, not a series ender.
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
i tuned out 24 after the first episode.
so, i don’t really care. but just for curiosity’s sake:
which finale (LOST vs. 24) do you think best met viewers’ expectations for a series finale?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
I would say 24
Mostly because there is really only so much you can expect from it in the first place. I love 24, it’s one of my favorite shows that I’ve seen, but it is what it is: action and violence and me screaming HOLY SHIT every now and then when something especially ridiculous happens. It had less to prove, basically.
you never knew exactly what that violence was gonna be tho
they could have gone ANY way with it. whether it be jack biting a guy’s ear off or getting electrocuted….you just never knew what surprises they had in store.
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by twistedlogic on May 25, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I imagine 24
Just as Stacey said, you know what you’re getting with 24. It’s the same stuff season after season.
This review of Lost’s finale pretty much sums it for me.
As for me, I think I’m going to wind up thinking of Lost as an anthology show, another Twilight Zone or Outer Limits. It served up some wonderfully weird, allusive stories. It gave us some brilliant mind-benders. There were individual episodes and story arcs that stand out as among the best hours of television ever created. You just can’t think of Lost as one unified story any more, because then you realize it all leads up to this utter flatness. This zone of apathy and new-age “walk into the light” catharsis.
The story as a whole is nonsensical but the story arcs of Juliet, Michael, Jack, Locke, Sawyer, and Sayid were just incredible.
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I was pretty disappointed
with how Sayid’s arc turned out both in season 6 and in the sideways universe. Really – Shannon was his Constant? What about Nadia, who he was actually married to and dated for more than 2 weeks?
Outs in baseball are like lives in Mario.
i didn’t like Sayid being claimed because it just didn’t go anywhere. Sayid sacrificing himself was awesome. I’m fine with Shannon being his constant because I don’t think you can conflate his constant with his “true” love (which i agree is Nadia). The final 15 minutes was just a way to do a group hug among the island castaways so Shannon makes sense. In any case, I see what the writers were going for with the final scene. They wanted to create a moment to appreciate the lives the characters after everything is said and done. I think that’s fine in itself. I thought Six Feet Under tried to do same in their finale and it was sooo much better.
Overall, shows try to do too much with finales (unless you’re David Chase and you give a fuck you to audiences). Just do what you’ve always done. I haven’t seen it yet but it sounds like the 24 finale got it right.
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"24" finale was a 2-hour edition of the regular show
It ended a season the way they usually end seasons – up-tempo action, GREAT acting, and a few HOLY SHIT! moments.
Didn’t feel like a series-ender, but they have to movie to fall back on, so I guess, in a way, it wasn’t a story-ender, since they know they get to tell more of the story…
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It ended a season the way they usually end seasons – up-tempo action, GREAT acting, and a few HOLY SHIT! moments.
And that’s the way it should be done. I don’t need a series ender.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
It felt like a great season finale
I had the ending I secretly wanted, and didn’t get it, but I was fine with what they chose.
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btw
Maybe I missed it, but last season finished with Jack dying of some incurable virus. When this season started, he’s perfectly fine. What the hell happened?
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The treatment took.
He was being wheeled off as Kim volunteered for some stem-cell treatment, and POOF! All better!
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
Ah yes, that's right, I forgot about that.
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Random Question
I accidentally left a chicken breast in the sink all night. its clearly not ok anymore. Should I cook the hell out of it before i throw it away? Trash day was yesterday and it doesnt seem like a good idea to have it raw rotting in a trash can for a week.
Keep it on your 40-man roster.
After all, we still have Garrett Atkins.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
by Vuff on May 25, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
cook the shit out it and eat it.
Just put some old bay on it. It’ll taste fine.
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nah
I have like a dozen more in the freezer and chicken’s too cheap to risk getting sick. If it was a more expensive piece of protein i might consider it.
'Cuz the chicken certainly isn't going to.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
But a Newton is fruit and cake!
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Here's what I usually do
If we have food that has to be thrown away or something that will stink but there’s a while til trash pickup I simply put it in a plastic bag (like you’d get at a grocery store) and throw it in the freezer. You won’t mix it up because it’ll be in the grocery bag and it won’t stink because it’ll be frozen.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
this is brilliant.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
you could also anonymously leave it on the doorstep of a disliked neighbor.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
could I anonymously leave it onfirst basethe bench for Garrett Atkins?
FTFY.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
freeze it up
then return it to where you bought it and ask for your money back.
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by twistedlogic on May 25, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like Koji and Simon to the DL; Castillo and Mata up.
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/2010/05/castillo_on_way.html
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
why?
godammit. these guys are fucking killing me. shut that alberto castillo shit down. FAHCK!
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 25, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Great...
I get to watch Castillo ruin my evening at the Yards tonight. Who hits a dinger off him? Jack Cust? Is he even on their club?
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by PBR me ASAP! on May 25, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
great
alberto fucking castillo
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by twistedlogic on May 25, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm guessing Castillo is here til Saturday
It wouldn’t have made any sense to call Tillman up today as he couldn’t be used until Saturday anyways. Call Castillo up, get a few more (terrible) innings out of him, then send him down, recall Tillman, and move DH to the pen.
At least that’s what I see going down.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
arent they wasting all of castillo's options?
i guess it doesnt really matter tho. if they run out of options, it just makes him easier to DFA.
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by twistedlogic on May 25, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought of that too
but yea, I don’t think they really care. Use him for all he’s worth then toss the carcass. He’s probably only back up because they don’t care about burning his options.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
You only use one option per year
They’ve already used it, so they can shuttle him back and forth as many times they want in 2010.
oooo
didnt know that
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by twistedlogic on May 25, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
This is probably unlikely but,
is anyone here coming up to Philly this saturday for the USA-Turkey match?
Mets just claimed Justin Turner
http://twitter.com/danconnollysun/status/14707674503
#Orioles 2 moves to report. INF Justin Turner was claimed by the Mets and placed on their 40-man. Mike Gonzalez moved to 60-day DL for Mata
see...
this sort of typifies macphail, trembley and the franchise: not so much boneheaded as so rigidly dogmatic that they seem to lose sight of the forest for trees.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 25, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
why the fuck didnt they DFA castillo or viola instead?
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by twistedlogic on May 25, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, great.
Keeping Atkins and Lugo is just that important, huh? Geez. Turner isn’t even really a prospect, but I’d rather have a potentially-decent utility INF than a washed-up 1B or a mediocre, wife-beating INF.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
oy
So now we’ve got Scott Moore who can’t really hit and Mata who can’t really pitch but we’re down Justin Turner who might be okay but probably won’t. And meanwhile we’ve still got Atkins who really can’t hit and Viola who really can’t pitch.
My brain hurts. My soul hurts.
Outs in baseball are like lives in Mario.
Yup.
Sometimes I wish I could just stop paying attention for a few weeks, or until Pie gets back or something, but I can’t.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
So it's back
the old O’s fanhood = bad car crash witness analogy. Still works, I guess.
by fishoutawata on May 25, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I've decided that I refuse to let this bother me
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Going to my first game of the year tonight.
I will be the one in left field upper deck dressed in a Rorshach costumer. My brother will be the Elvis beside me. We are trying to think outside the box about ways to enjoy going to OPACY again. I don’t think this will work, but I am open to trying anything.
John S West Jr
by Adam double bubble on May 25, 2010 3:24 PM EDT reply actions
Are you guys really going as Rorshach and Elvis?
Hopefully they show you on TV. Maybe you’ll inspire orange Vader to come back. I always enjoyed him.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Heck yes
My brother wants it known that he is technically going as Nicolas Cage doing “Tiny Elvis”. I am just going to be overweight Rorshach. Simply looking for a good time tonight.
John S West Jr
by Adam double bubble on May 25, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
About freaking time.
Everyone thought Baltimore was three easy wins and we got our ass kicked three times. - Dustin Pedroia, After the Red Sox got swept by the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on May 25, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
huh?
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by twistedlogic on May 25, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I've wanted DH in the bullpen for quite some time.
Everyone thought Baltimore was three easy wins and we got our ass kicked three times. - Dustin Pedroia, After the Red Sox got swept by the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on May 25, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Wieters
has saved the second-most runs of all catchers in the majors so far this year.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2010/5/25/1486699/2010-catcher-defense-rankings-as
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I'm trying not to worry about that,
but it’s getting harder all the time.
(That’s what she said?)
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
oh it is what she said
i’d be worried if she didnt worry about it not getting harder all the time
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on May 25, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait
How many of these was I supposed to take?
by fishoutawata on May 25, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
If they aren't going to play Atkins
what’s he still doing on the roster?
If they are going to play Atkins I might kill something.
Ahhhhhhhhhhh I’m a broken record. I’m like Jim Palmer.
Outs in baseball are like lives in Mario.
Roch sez...
Hernandez has been moved to the ’pen.
Tillman will be up by Saturday.
And Brian Roberts has resumed baseball activities.
Those are three straight items of news from the O’s that don’t make me cringe.
I should probably head straight home to bed.
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
This is different....
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Great
One more reason living here will be a pain in the ass in the medium-term future.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Oh, I think it's awesome.
It’s ridiculous that they don’t ever have the SB in cold-weater cities. RIDICULOUS.
And I’m certain that the activities surrounding that week will make little difference to your day-to-day life, unless you live across Route 3 from the new stadium.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Thankfully I moved out of that town 3 years ago
but I have to admit it would have been cool living in E. Rutherford during that. I doubt i’ll even still be in NJ by then, but it’s gonna be cool as hell. Traffic will be a bitch, but it’ll be cool.
Does anyone think they can jack the prices in NYC up even higher for this?
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
i might try to get tix for this one
that’s the closest ive ever been to super bowl.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on May 25, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
If i'm still in NJ
I gotta at least try.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Traffic will be a bitch, but it’ll be cool
Seriously? the 200,000 or so people who descend on NY for those two weeks are a drop in NYC’s bucket. In the middle of January at least 1/4 of that number will leave town for ski trips or the Bahamas to avoid all the nonsense. It’ll all even out.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
I'm not talking about NYC
I’m talking about East Rutherford and the already overcrowded highway system arounf the Meadowlands (Rt 3 and 17 mainly).
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I know everyone's sick of LOST stuff,
but this is HI-larious.
This Week in Unnecessary Censorship – LOST Edition
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
The Jimmy Kimmel alternative ending with Jeff Probst and Sayid is awesome.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
Arrieta's Norfolk line today:
7 IP, 7 H, 1 ER, 2BB, 6 K (1.86 ERA)
Tillman was the obvious choice for Saturday (being on the 40 man roster already and it falling on regular rest) but this kid is tearing it up. Alot of hits today but only 2 BB’s is quite encouraging.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
7 hits and 2 walks isnt really "tearing it up"
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on May 25, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
well,
a 1.28 WHIP for any Oriole pitcher is well better than the norm.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
sure...at AAA
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on May 25, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
youth movement instead of bowel movements...
With nothing to lose,I would dump,Adkins and Lugo and bring up more kids from the minors.Why not find out if anyone can step up and make it to the majors or are they destined for a career in the minors,ya gotta find out sometime and using retreads around here is getting old.Tremley has until the all star break to get his shit together,he often out thinks himself and is a rah rah cheerleader kinda coach…we need some fire,except for a few players,nobodys job should be safe ,afterall the object is to win…nothing more!
One more thought...
“If you don’t produce,turn ’em loose”!
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