Orioles 5, Athletics 1: Walks? Sacrifice Flies? Who are these people?
by Stacey on May 26, 2010 12:13 AM EDT
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PrintThe Orioles used what the entire broadcasting team delightedly (and constantly) referred to as small ball to score 5 runs and beat the Athletics 5-1. Jeremy Guthrie didn't have his best night ever, but he managed to get through 6 innings allowing just one run.
In his six innings pitched, Guthrie didn't have any 1-2-3 innings, he allowed the leadoff batter to reach three times, and he allowed multiple base runners three times. Luckily for the Orioles, the A's were only able to take advantage once. In the second inning, Guthrie walked the lead off batter, Jack Cust. After a flyout, Gabe Gross doubled to right field, moving Cust to third where he would score on a ground out by Mark Ellis (sadly Cust did not fall down on his way from third to home). Guthrie then retired Corey Patterson's little brother Eric to end the inning and the A's wouldn't score again. The A's left 9 men on base in all as Guthrie allowed 7 hits and 3 walks in his six innings. He struck out 2.
Mark Hendrickson had a very effective game out of the bullpen to follow Guthrie, pitching the 7th and 8th innings and allowing just 1 hit and no walks. Will Ohman then pitched a perfect 9th with two strikeouts to close out the game. I don't know why. The Orioles had a four run lead at the time, so surely it was the best time to use the Orioles' best reliever, the one who has the most appearances in the American League.
The O's offense got runners on each of the first three innings but were unable to score against Dallas Braden until the fourth, and even then it wasn't pretty. Braden walked Nick Markakis and Miguel Tejada to start the inning and after Markakis was eliminated in a fielders choice by Wigginton, Adam Jones grounded to first base in what should have been an inning ending double play. Instead, the A's shortstop threw the ball away on the return throw to first and Tejada came in to score the tying run.
They scored two more runs in the 6th inning, again started by Markakis and Tejada taking walks to start the inning. They'd end up on 2nd and 3rd after a wild pitch and sacrifice flies by Ty Wigginton and Adam Jones brought them both in. Small ball!
In the bottom of the 8th the Orioles said, "Screw small ball." Nick Markakis led off the inning with a home run onto the flag court, his third of the year. The man has a beautiful swing, don't you think? After a one out walk by Ty Wigginton, Matt Wieters pulled the ball to right for a double off of the scoreboard to knock in the O's fifth and final run.
All in all a nice, normal win by the Orioles. No big meltdowns, no big comebacks. The kind of stress free win we don't get to see too often by the team.
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1.5 WHIP with a K/BB less than 1 is rarely birdland
Guts did well tonight to stick around as long as he could and (probably luckily) only give up 1 run, but its not even close to Nick getting on base every at-bat.
Guts wasn't that bad
he deserves a spot on the ballot as much as the others. 2 guys got 6 of his 7 hits.
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
by CoachOfEarl on May 26, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
"wasn't that bad"
is hardly a ringing endorsement. Mediocre pitching performances have been winning MBP all year long.
Because our bats usually suck
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by John Stephens on May 26, 2010 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions
nah
the whole point of MBP is getting offense etc from unexpected places and that kinda stuff. the argument that the bats suck worked the first few times because we expected our starting pitching to suck too. now that we’ve figured out that the SP is actually okay, you can’t give guts MBP for what i feel was among his worst starts of the year.
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
In defense of Guts though,
I would say that although he didn’t have very good stuff on the night he showed a lot of heart and focus and gritted out a solid (not spectacular) 6 innings. He was up to 80+ pitches in the 4th, got out of the bases loaded situation, and then managed to scrap through 2 more innings in spite of his pitch count being well over 100.
That being said, I’d have still voted for Miggi. 2 BB’s?!?, good baserunning tagging up, and that quite amusing bellyflop catch! Nick did what he does, hit the ball well when pitched to, nothing particularly out of the ordinary.
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by PBR me ASAP! on May 26, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
miggy was good
but nick’s home run is doing what he does?
you’re right about guts, but also remember that he won MBP last week even after admitting he was just “taxed” after like 80 pitches and didnt feel like continuing.
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, doing what he does approx. every 80-100 or so AB's (snark)
i know the HR was a welcome surprise, but it shouldn’t be unexpected from Nick. Miggi’s all around performance tips the scales in his favor in my opinion.
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by PBR me ASAP! on May 26, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
but "shouldn't be unexpected" means nothing
jones shouldn’t swing at pitches out of the zone, but he does. atkins shouldn’t GIDP every time he comes up with the bases loaded, but he does.
and all-around performance from miggy means 0-2 with 2 walks?
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
2 walks, 2 runs, good baserunning, and excellent defensive is an all-around performance
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by PBR me ASAP! on May 26, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
his defense was decent
he didnt need to dive for that one ball. plus 2 runs has nothing to do with him and everything to do with the guys behind him actually doing something decent for a change.
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if I remember correctly (which is a big IF due to the beer involved)
Miggi did tag from 2nd to 3rd on the Wiggi sac fly, setting up the 2nd sac fly by Jones. And Nick might have had 1 or 2 balls hit to him all game, Miggi was more involved in the defensive effort.
My ultimate point is that if unexpected contributions is a key component of ‘Birdlandery’ then Miggi taking 2 walks (and scoring on both of them) is way more unexpected than Markakis going 2-2 with a HR. To each their own though.
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by PBR me ASAP! on May 26, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
if you go by that logic
markakis can never be birdland because he plays RF and is almost always less involved in the defensive effort than the third baseman.
markakis also had 2 walks and a totally expected home run since he has all of three on the season.
also, and not to take anything away from miggy, any player should have tagged from 2nd to 3rd on that wiggy fly. that doesn’t make great baserunning, that just makes keeping your head in the game which is what we pay these guys for anyways.
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Kake's can certainly be birdland on any given night
Cutting a runner down on the basepaths, making a diving play, etc…But last night he wasn’t involved and Miggi was numerous times, hence the all-around effort argument I was putting forth.
And I agree that any player should have made that tag up play, I guess my standards have fallen lax in recent years due to the horrendous displays on the bases in the past few years (Counsel would like to submit into evidence 1 Lou Montanez replay from last night). So when someone does something right in that situation I may have a tendency to overstates it’s impact.
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by PBR me ASAP! on May 26, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
yea true
our baserunning fucking sucks. i blame melmo.
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't arguing Guts for MBP
But on your argument how is our best batter having a good night unexpected?
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by John Stephens on May 26, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Because 1.000 OBP nights are never expected
For me, an outstanding performance from even a very good player is just as worthy.
by that logic, only the worst players on the team who occasionally have good nights
will win MBP.
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
That is why I don’t think MBP should be reserved for “unexpected”. It should just be reserved for the best performance (unless it is a really bad night and the best performance is 1 for 4).
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by John Stephens on May 26, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
then there would be no difference between the MBP and MVP
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
So?
If you do it your way players like Nick have a significantly smaller chance to be MBP, which makes no sense to me.
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by John Stephens on May 26, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Outstanding offensive performance is as much a part of MBP as is unexpected performance
Where MBP is different from MVP is it doesn’t just have to be who played the best. There was a prime example last year with ZAUN when he tagged a runner out at the plate in the face. That had no statistical value (other than a regular put out) and tagging him out normally would have just been a regular play and not worthy of MBP, but it was sheer awesome. Sometimes performance is the most Birdland thing that happened in a game, be it just a great day by a great player or a very good day from someone you weren’t expecting it from (defensively or offensively). Sometimes it’s just one thing that stands out to you for some non-baseball reason (like ZAUN face puch tagging the man at home) and sometime it doesn’t even happen during the game (like a certain player giving a gatorade bath to Amber). It can be pretty much anything. It’s your call.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
can i take a gatorade bath with amber?
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
i'll fight you!
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Bring it!
(How do you fight over the internet? And does Amber know about this?)
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
i just punched you
did you feel it??
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
who doesnt love a nice gatorade bath?
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
and being internet fought over?
I’m sure she’s cyber swooning right now.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
gotta make her feel wanted!
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's an example
ZAUN puches dude in head, wins MBP on sheer awesomeness
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I wish there was video of it
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by John Stephens on May 26, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't stream video at work,
but I believe this is it.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
by Vuff on May 26, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha
it gets better every time
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by John Stephens on May 26, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The result of that play was awesome but
seeing Brian Bass in our uniform still infuriates me. That dude sucked epically.
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by PBR me ASAP! on May 26, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
and he'd win MBP for a "wasn't that bad" performance
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying he'd win
I’m just saying he deserves to be listed up there with Miggi and Ohman. Dude did his job pretty well I think.
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
by CoachOfEarl on May 26, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
this
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
for example, tatum losing to hernandez the other day
tatum was the epitome of the first clause of daveh873’s rules for birdlandery. he not only had an incredible game (even more incredible cuz he hardly ever sees the field), but it was completely unexpected cuz he had sucked in his other appearances. hernandez walked 5 and makes it thru just 5 innings even though he’s got a 1 hitter going. yet hernandez still got MBP.
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah.
Tatum got robbed — can we just give it to him anyway?
I think it might be good to leave the starter off the ballot when he’s just “good enough” (as Stacey did this time). Last year, quality starts were Birdland because they were rare. Now, they’re more expected — if a starter doesn’t go further than the sixth inning, he probably shouldn’t be there unless he does something else (no runs, very few baserunners, awesome fielding, tons of Ks, picks up the defense, etc.).
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
i approve of this message
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He's had a good season, no?
WHIP ~1.1
HR/9 ~1
BB/ 9 < 2
IP/GS > 6
Pitch/GS > 100
He’s pitched his ass off pretty consistently, and he’s having a career year. He’s really only had 1 or 2 bad outings, and I doubt that there was any standouts on the offense or defense in any of those games.
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
by CoachOfEarl on May 26, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
what's your point?
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He keeps winning MBP by being birdland when no one else was
Last night was Nick’s night, but Guts was worthy of a mention.
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
by CoachOfEarl on May 26, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
stacey kept him off because he would have won if she had put him on there
that’s the whole point. the SP gets “mentioned” even after nothing special and wins. guts won last week by a huge margin even though the poor baby just didnt feel like coming out for another inning after only 80-some pitches. that isn’t birdland at all.
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I missed that game
So I’ll just have to take your word for it that Guts went crying to daddy. Or not.
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
Although now that I've checked
Guts had no business winning MBP in Cizzy’s 3H 3RBI game. I guess I haven’t been paying much attention to the MBP score.
I still think that Guts last night was worth way more than Ohman.
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
O (haha) he was
but guts would have won if he was on the ballot. ohman was just a filler.
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I just dont see how 6IP of 1.5WHIP ball with only 2Ks is even worth nominating
With those numbers, he was lucky to only allow 1 run. I’m glad he was about to tough it out for 6 innings, but he only had to because he got himself in trouble with the pitch count early. It was a good solid effort from a starting pitcher, and god knows we havent had enough of those in past years, but for me there was nothing birdland about it.
he got the job done without his best stuff, to be sure.
worked out of some jams. but had some luck as well.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Magic! Magic! Magic! Magic!
Man, I forgot what non-stressful wins were like. I sure enjoy them. Maybe we can have some more. That’d be swell.
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Winning streak maybe? Please?
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by WestcoastO'sFan on May 26, 2010 1:38 AM EDT reply actions
FTR,
I have zero problem with Ohman coming in for the ninth. This team needed a win badly. It would have been horrible to see the whole thing go up in smoke because of Alberto Castillo or somesuch.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
then you're not gonna like my dddwtf
I thought it was awful
by Stacey on May 26, 2010 7:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
me too
he’s the closer now. to bring him in again in a non-save situation was completely unnecessary.
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't even care about that
DD said that they don’t have a true closer last night during the press conference anyway. But if they do want him to close, taking away Ohman’s versatility by shoving him into a position where he can only pitch in the 9th inning will probably also hurt the team when they need someone to pitch in a high leverage situation and go with Castillo or something because of it.
well there's that
there is also the fact that ohman really isn’t that great vs. righties
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions
i don't believe in "closer" labels to that degree
particularly when the label was bestowed two days ago
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
I agree
I was ready to take a loooong break from the Os if they lost all the games in this series. We needed that win
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by John Stephens on May 26, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions
So you'll just take a long break later this year
When Will Ohman’s arm has fallen off because he’s been used 5 billion times.
Hahaha
Maybe I will
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by John Stephens on May 26, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I was at the game and you could tell he began to scuffle and lost his control once he had those back to back walks.
Someone mentioned in the Game Thread that he may have had some ‘flu-like symptoms’ so that may have been the impetus.
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by PBR me ASAP! on May 26, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
The official reason
is that he hurt his ankle a week or so ago and it started to hurt again. They took him out for precautionary reasons.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
So a month later...
How does everyone feel now? I feel better now although there are some players I would like to see improve. Tillman is coming and I’d imagine arrietta isn’t far behind. Who goes then? Do we trade millwood while his value is at peak? I doubt we could get a lot for him but who knows? What about bergy and guthrie? If we don’t move millwood, who’s next to the BP?
by GeoffreyA on May 26, 2010 4:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
See this mornings Bird Droppings in re Millwood
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by PBR me ASAP! on May 26, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't really feel any better
Half the guys who have been producing for us have little future with us (Millwood, Wigginton, and Scott). The young guys who we were hoping would start to carry this team haven’t set the world on fire as of yet (Wieters, Matusz, Jones, Reimold). Obviously, it’s still early.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on May 26, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think AJ's ground out was going to be an inning ending GIDP
Even if the throw was good, it looked like he had it beat by a mile.
Sorry to nitpick
But I’m not sure Tejada’s dive should be considered a positive. He caught it right at his shoulder.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on May 26, 2010 10:02 AM EDT reply actions
Hilarious plays that don't end in disaster are Birdland
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Sometimes they're Birdland even when they don't work out
Like that time Juan Samuel waved Wiggy home even though there was no chance he’d score so Wiggy did his best by giving the catcher a flying head butt. He was out, but that was Birdland as hell.
i remember that
completely awesome
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
yesss
wiggy will be retiring at the end of the season to take a massive contract with the washington redskins.
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
ha!
maybe it’ll bring our “the redskins are a much classier organization than the orioles” friend out of hiding
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Classier?
Who is this person, and what does he mean by calling a team with a racial epithet for a name “classier”?
The same legal body
that gave us W as president and declared corporations eligible for the same rights as individuals!
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
well the great people of america gave us BO
so can’t trust them either
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh I don't know.
Seems like an ok decision to me so far.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
you also forgot best president since 2008
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i say what i mean
and i mean what i say
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by twistedlogic on May 26, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
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