Wednesday Bird Droppings
by duck on May 5, 2010 6:58 AM EDT
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What? The O's lost 4-1? That never happens! Better go read about it at The Sun, The Daily News, and Orioles.com.
Ex-Orioles broadcaster Harwell dies at 92 - baltimoresun.com
"From the sandy shores of Lake Michigan to the rugged streets in Flint, they listened to Ernie Harwell tell the Tigers' tales for more than 40 years." Ernie Harwell passed away yesterday at age 92. -duck
O's broadcaster Thorne remembers Harwell | orioles.com: News
Gary Thorne recalls the generosity of the voice of Tigers, Ernie Harwell. -duck
The Toy Department: Catching Up With ... Former Oriole Paul Blair
Paul Blair had a heart attack in December, but is recovering nicely now. And he's not happy when he watches the O's play these days. Hire this man! -duck
A question without an answer - MASNsports.com
Steve Melewski addresses the elephant in the room - just how long before the O's cut bait on Luke Scott? -duck
A scare for Zach Britton in today's game at Harrisburg - MASNsports.com
Zach Britton went 4.1 IP against at Harrisburg, but got lifted when a come-backer hit him in the right shoulder. Article includes video of his comments. -duck
Baltimore Orioles outfielder Nolan Reimold trying to work out swing issues - baltimoresun.com
Nolan Reimold swears his problems are mechanical, and he's taking extra BP to work it out. I still say it's nothing a good paternity lawyer couldn't; solve. -duck
Orioles Insider: How several ex-Orioles are doing -baltimoresun.com
Did you know MelMo is batting .300 and that Danys Baez still sucks? -duck
Orioles Insider: This Bird has some entertaining Tweets
If you're not already following THE_ADAM_JONES on Twitter, well, I'll wait while you go click on "Follow". -duck
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on the bright side
Atkins is hitting. he told you stacey. he said you can take that “suck” and shove it. I guess Luke didn’t get your “You Suck” memo.
he still sucks
I welcome him to keep trying to prove me wrong though.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
by Stacey on May 5, 2010 9:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
well
I think you should be the intangibles this clubhouse is lacking with your power of persuasion.
-"Stacey, what’s wrong with my swing?"
-"You suck."
-"Thanks, I’ll work on that! Oh, and I heard Pie likes you!"
OPS is still .627
One good game doesn’t make him not suck.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 5, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
small sample size
So dont get too bent out of shape. BTW it looks like Sherril wouldnt have even helped the disastor that is our pen this year.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 5, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Also
it isn’t like Millwood has been a bust. They got something useful so far, so did we.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
Also 2
Check out Ray’s K/BB. His ERA is smoke and mirrors.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
by Brotz13 on May 5, 2010 9:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Was just about to post this.
His ERA might be 1.54, but that’s the only one of his stats that looks particularly good, and most of the rest look awful.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I think recently our pen has been pretty damn good....
Ohman, Castillo, Berken, Hendo, New Albers, Megadeath and Simon I could be talked into…. not to mention if/when Koji can contribute.
by Wieters Wieners on May 5, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Spell it correctly!!!!!!
You did that just to piss me off, didn’t you?
MEGADETH!!!!!
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
by duck on May 5, 2010 10:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
MAYGUHDITH RULZ!!1!!
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
I sound like Claire from LOST.
(no spoilers, plz, i’m on the road and have not seen last night’s ep)
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Haha
I went to look up Sherrill’s numbers and found this:
What the hell is on his face?
The future is not what it used to be.
What the media did not tell you.
by John Stephens on May 5, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Is he out of Man in the Iron Mask or what?
by Wieters Wieners on May 5, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
no
i think he got a bigger hat.
What up?
by snakethejake on May 5, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
his brim is NOT flat
WTF?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Chris Ray could be perfect this year
and I’d still make that trade. Millwood has been awesome for us.
Groundhog Day
Are we stuck inside that movie?
When do we play someone other than the Yankees or Red Sox?
More like
when do we play the Red Sox again?
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
by daveh873 on May 5, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
+1
The future is not what it used to be.
What the media did not tell you.
by John Stephens on May 5, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Yay!
I can’t wait until we start losing to the Twins. That’ll be so much more fun.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
The next three games are a win-win situation for me.
Everyone thought Baltimore was three easy wins and we got our ass kicked three times. - Dustin Pedoria, After the Red Sox got swept by the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on May 5, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not how this works
Like I said before, I really like the Twins. However, if the Twins win any single game against the O’s it’s going to piss me off and I will get NO enjoyment out of it. For the next 3 games they can go fuck themselves.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
Wow
I really want Paul Blair to start kick some rear in the O’s clubhouse.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
the elephant in the room
The O’s have more than a zoo full of them. When are these guys going to perform: Scott, Reimold, Jones. Is he really the savior: Wieters. Did the O’s throw away a bunch of money on (yet again) no talent pickups: Atkins, Gonzalez. Then there are guys we never expect to see anything from, but they trot out there with regularity (yeah I know there are injuries): Lugo, Izturos, Motanez, Albers.
I often wonder if the young guys would have been better off developing in a decent organization. Would Jones be better if he were a Twin or a Ray? I bet he would. He’s openly talked about feeling the pressure of the constant losing and how it is changing his approach.
I think we need to stop freaking out about Wieters
He still hasn’t even played the equivalent of a season at the ML level. There is 1 catcher in the AL with a higher OPS, and that’s Joe Mauer. He will be fine. Let’s step away from the ledge, at least with him.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
for real
The O’s have 99 problems but Matt Wieters ain’t one.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
by Stacey on May 5, 2010 9:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
yeah
and he’s doing a good job with the staff so far..
What up?
by snakethejake on May 5, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't recall freaking out about Wieters.
Actually, I’m not freaking out about anyone. I can’t be too concerned about any of them. It’s not something I can control.
by drj on May 5, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
consistency is always a problem with young players
If Reimold and Jones are still struggling in August, we’ll talk. Until then, I’m not worried.
And Wieters is fine
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on May 5, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
The ex-O's article
demonstrates pretty clearly that the O’s have been, for all intents and purposes, a AAA team the past few years.
Make the world a better place; punch a Yankee fan in the face!
Adam Jones
Not sure what’s happening, but when I found him on Twitter is just said “this person has protected their tweets.”
I guess that means you can’t read them anymore? Or do I have to sign up for twitter to read them?
It's always been that way
He has to approve you, but he approves anyone who asks.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
ok
That makes sense. I was just going to put the RSS feed in reader, but it looks like it’s time to sign up for a twitter account.
Sickels posted his first mock draft
He has us passing on Taillon and Machado for Karsten Whitson. So there’s that.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Is Karsten Whitson related to Ed Whitson?
If so, we should take him for only one reason: his dad once beat Billy Martin to a pulp.
To wit:
Whitson’s tenure with the Yankees is best remembered for his fight with then-manager Billy Martin. On September 22, 1985, while at a hotel bar in Baltimore, Maryland, he broke Martin’s arm after a heated argument that spread to other parts of the hotel. After the season, Martin was fired, which many Yankee fans suspected was because of his altercation with Whitson.
by Fred Sanford on May 5, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
I suspect not, since bloodlines are usually a big deal and if a player is related to a former major leaguer it is widely reported. But I can’t say for sure they aren’t related, y’know?
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Whenever I hear that story
I wish somebody would explain how he actually broke his arm.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
reds were the only thing that cost me that 7 dollar bet
i won the other three games. freakin rod barajas.
by twistedlogic on May 5, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Wieters DH'ing! It's a miracle!
Jones, Wigginton, Markakis, Tejada, Atkins, Wieters, Reimold, Tatum, Lugo
Why he’s batting behind Atkins is anyone’s guess, though.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
what the hell?
why dont we just put atkins at leadoff?
by twistedlogic on May 5, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
i can't say I hate it
If Atkins is on a roll then roll with it. That and SHJ hasn’t been lighting it up against the MFY.
i was being snarky
he’s not the guy i’d want getting the most at-bats on the team.
by twistedlogic on May 5, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
reply fail - my oopsy
^ was directed towards him batting ahead of SHJ.
clearly i would not bat him lead off. but I have no problem with him batting 5th and wieters batting 6th at this moment in time.
GROSS
Atkins gets a few hits and now he’s batting ahead of Wieters? Honestly.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
I LOVE WIETERS
And think he is GOING to be great. But he hasn’t been GREAT yet… he will get there, like Mauer did. But when OsFan21 last night said we all need to back off the whole Wieters is the savior thing, I kind of agree. He’s hitting around .280 with 3 homers… pretty ok numbers. And believe me, Im no fan of Atkins, but he looks decent at the plate the last couple games. And AJ is completely killing us at the top. I think Dave should bump him down to 7 or 8 for awhile just to shake him up a little. But what do I know….
by Wieters Wieners on May 5, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Wieters has had a rough few games
And Atkins has had two good games. But I’m not a fan of shuffling lineups based on two games. Garrett Atkins could have gone 4-for-4 each of the past two nights with 8 home runs and I’d still want Wieters at the plate instead of him because he’s a better baseball player.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
Oh definitely
if they are switching them because they think Atkins is “hot” or something ridiculous like that then it’s retarded. If they’re switching them to give Wieters some breathing room or whatever I’d be fine with that.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I can't imagine it's the second thing
But maybe.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
why is that ridiculous?
it’s not like this is set in stone. at this point in time if atkins can get on base, which he has in the past two games, I would rather have wieters behind him than lugo or tatum.
it's ridiculous
because why does the fact that Atkins got 3 slap hits yesterday indicate that he can better get on base than a guy with an OBP that’s 50 points higher (.289 to .340)?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
becasue
3 “slap hits” still got him on base. if you want to throw numbers then throw wieters numbers against the yankees so far.
Again
How are those 3 hits ANY evidence that he’s more likely to get on base today???
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
not everything can be measured in "evidence"
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
no, the value of a player seeing the ball better for a stretch at a time
which happens all the time, and is not measurable by any means.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
how are you going to measure "seeing the ball better"
short of someone getting contacts or something, you’re talking about a very large number of minute biological phenomena which lead a person to have better perception for a period of time. brain synapses, eye health, better sleep, etc.
What evidence could explain LUUUKE’s hot streaks?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
How about splits?
and line drive percentage? swings at balls out of the strike zone? What’s challenging about that? It’s pretty easy.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
what's your measure for confidence?
player A thinks he always kills Detroit. therefore, he feels more confident in games against them. therefore he plays differently.
it has nothing to do with the pitches they’re throwing or whatever. the player feels different. don’t think you can measure confidence in anyway other than asking the player how he feels (and then you have to wonder if he’s telling the truth, as it’s rare for a player to say, “i’m shitting myself right now.”
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
wouldn't confidence show up in stats?
If it doesn’t show up in stats then who gives a shit?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Well, it does show up in stats
For example, Luke historically hits Detroit hard. The problem is that because we play Detroit so rarely, we don’t know if that is simply statistical noise or useful data.
The question seems to be: is Atkins really hitting the ball better than before, or is his hitting this week looking artificially good over a small sample? FWIW, I still suspect he sucks and is done, but it isn’t out of the realm of possibility that he’s adjusting to a new league or even that he’s improving due to coaching from Crow. We do have precedent from last season of coaching taking a while to show results with Pie.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Eh
I’m not sure we even know for sure whether coaching had anything to do with Pie.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Fair enough
But even if it hasn’t happened to us in recent memory, it has happened to players in the majors in recent memory.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
After we hook Lugo up
can we switch out his AB music for Beethoven?
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
"Singing in the Rain" would also be suitable
but I prefer Beethoven because that should make him double over in pain and nasuea.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
If you can't measure it, what good is it?
I’m open to the idea that there are things that the Orioles’ staff can measure that we cannot. But if it is not measurable at all, then it is useless – Dave can’t make any more use of it than us.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
ugh.
i don’t have time to stick around today, but i’d love to debate this sometime.
i don’t like “gut decisions”, i think they’re crap. But there can be actual events going on which can’t be measured that, nonetheless, do exist. We just don’t have a way to measure them.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
I'll be around
This is a conversation that I’m sure will come up again.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
well
are you in the club house when these guys walk in? DT sees it. do they look fired up or still pissed about last nights loss. we as fans don’t see that.
Again...
….that just means we can’t measure it. That doesn’t mean it can’t be measured.
I think we’re all on board with the idea that the club knows stuff we don’t. That’s not the same thing as things that no one knows.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
not sure i understand what you want to measure
do we agree that if the player just woke up on the wrong side of the bed and just not feeling it – he is going to have a bad game/series/week/etc
if another player just all of a sudden just gets it then regardless of what he did the past month it doesn’t mean diddly.
Well, I have no idea
I can’t say with any authority what makes players have good games or bad games.
What I can say is that even if there are players who just aren’t feeling it today, that’s not really very useful to anyone, because who knows who those players are? If it can’t be measured, then it can’t be used as a basis for decision-making.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
But can players feel better over the course of a week...
Cuz that CAN be measured and put to good use. If thats Dave’s reasoning for the whole Atkins-Wieters situation.
Im just questioning out loud, I certainly dont have any answers.
by Wieters Wieners on May 5, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
and thats why we have a manager in DT
if we went just by numbers you could do it. hell fangraphs would make the line up every game. instead of accuscore we would have acculineup.
Again, I'm not saying that it is all in the numbers
What I am saying is that just because it isn’t in the numbers doesn’t mean it can’t be measured.
There are things DT knows that we don’t, that aren’t in Fangraphs’ stats. But that we don’t know them doesn’t mean they are unknowable. The information exists somewhere, even if you and I can’t see it.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
i think you are making it too difficult
you bat atkins before wieters based on numbers.
or
you bat atkins before wieters becasue you have a gut feeling today.
I think its that simple. I don’t see any other measuring that needs to be done.
at no point am I saying atkins is better
but all year DT has been shuffling this line-up around based on who got a hit last game. This is nothing new. All I am pointing out is that I can’t argue with it at this point in time based on the entire team’s offensive production.
True
I just have to remind myself to be patient with Wieters because I just anticipated he was going to walk in the door and be a superstar the way he tore it up at every level prior to debuting last year.
by Wieters Wieners on May 5, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Dave bump down AJ?
Oh, no, that might involve free thought. Not Dave’s style:
"As soon it as was announced to me [that Roberts’ injury] was going to be weeks … we just had to prepare ourselves accordingly," manager Dave Trembley said. "That’s why I put Jones in the leadoff spot and I’m not going to tinker with it. Because I couldn’t tell you when Brian is going to come back."
Sorry, Dave, “that’s why” AJ is batting first? I don’t understand how one thing really leads to the other.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Why not put the guy with the worst ratio...
…of walks to plate appearances in the league leadoff?
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
SHUT UP JAMES. I'M DAVE, AND I'M NOT GOING TO "TINKER WITH IT". I'M THE DECIDER.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
No, I'm Dave
Seriously, we need a new name for our skipper. It makes me feel bad.
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
I love how
He refuses to tinker with Adam Jones even though he’s sucked for the entire season but Matt Wieters has a handful of bad games at the plate and suddenly he’s batting behind Atkins.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
That would be:
“As soon it as was announced to me mimicry was going to be weeks…
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
maybe so atkins sees more fastballs?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
i have a damned presentation right in the middle of it
hopefully i’ll be back by 2
by twistedlogic on May 5, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
My internet at work has been quirky lately.
I hope it stays up during the game…
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Let me get this straight
Baseball is in decline because the hitters are more talented then ever before? Sheesh.
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
he was definitely just scratched from the lineup
not sure why though
It’s the Ric Flair Theory of baseball – To be the man, you gotta beat the man. -duck
by Parkinglotninja on May 5, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
right hip strain it seems
It’s the Ric Flair Theory of baseball – To be the man, you gotta beat the man. -duck
by Parkinglotninja on May 5, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
and that means Lugo is batting leadoff. The obvious alternative…
"You accept mediocrity and you get mediocrity." - Adam Jones, Son!
answering my own Q
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/2010/05/jones_scratched_with_sore_hip.html
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
Julio Lugo leading off
I might vomit. Seriously.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
The worst part is
he has two hits so obviously it worked!
Sometimes I just want to talk about beer, blowjobs and baseball, y’know? -2632
I can see it now
Every time it looks like Lugo just might finally get cut, he’ll have a good game and earn himself another reprieve. And we’ll be stuck with his bad-at-baseball ass all fucking season.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Anyone
Know any websites I can go and listen to a specific song or CD for free and stream it? I used to use www.playlist.com, and www.lastfm.com, but it seems like now they only offer previews (at least the latter one does). I checked out MOG, but they charge $5/month. I’d pay it, but not if anyone knows where I can listen to it free. Again, specific songs, not just streaming radio.
by Wieters Wieners on May 5, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions
It isn't exactly what you are looking for...
…but I’m a big fan of the mp3 blog aggregator The Hype Machine. If the songs you are looking for have been posted on an mp3 blog, you can listen to them for free.
[To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa http://chickensoupforthefuckyou.wordpress.com/]
It's a shame that apple bought lala.com and is shutting it down
Lala.com allowed you to listen to any song for free the first time, and then it was ten cents to listen to it as much as possible. It also let you upload all your own songs and listen to them from any computer, and I think you could pay per song to allow others to listen to it for free. I may be getting some details wrong, but I’ve used lala to listen to hundreds of songs for free. Oh well!
Cut Bait?
Was that an intentional pun given the “Win a Fishing Trip with Luke Scott” promotion? [Link]
Kinda sorta....
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
oh god
pink. not just for hats anymore
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"harden the fuck up mike gonzalez."
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