Tuesday Bird Droppings
by duck on Jun 1, 2010 7:12 AM EDT
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PrintOrioles Swept By Toronto, Rock Bottom Gets Lower | Baltimore Sports Report
"The Orioles have put together another lackluster effort in being swept by the Blue Jays, and any fan has to wonder at this point whether this team has been afflicted by bad luck, injuries, a poor manager, or is simply a terrible team equally terribly assembled." I'm going with a terrible team terribly assembled AND terribly managed. And terribly coached. Especially in hitting. They're really bad at that. -duck
It certainly is not all Dave Trembley's fault - MASNsports.com
Maybe not, but you can't fire all 25 players, either. -duck
Baltimore Orioles' young hitters have failed to develop this season - baltimoresun.com
We're not the only ones to notice that Nolan Reimold, Adam Jones and Matt Wieters aren't progressing. -duck
Orioles Insider: Scouts talk Adam Jones
Scouts outside the Orioles think Adam Jones can still hit, but are perplexed at this extended slump. "There’s no reason he shouldn’t hit 25 to 30 homers, but he gets himself out so much and doesn’t get into hitter counts. He’s messed up right now."-duck
Orioles Insider: Scouts talk about Matt Wieters
Aparently, Matt Wieters is thinking too much at the plate. That's the consensus from scouts. -duck
Orioles-Yankees Preview - Sporting News
The Yankees can't wait to play us. I bet not. -duck
If it is broke, fix it - MASNsports.com
"The Orioles are broken and they have to be fixed. Tape and glue won't hold them together. Don't bother pushing a cart through Home Depot unless your deck needs waterproofing or you have loose tiles in your shower." Roch's not adding much to the conversation, but it is refreshing to hear someone at MASN demand change. -duck
Young pitchers show change is coming | orioles.com: News
"Fans of a franchise that has gone 12 years without a winning team are asked to hold on, perhaps a little longer than they would like, as the Orioles continue down a path they hope will lead to prosperity." Britt Ghiroli's dishing out the Orange Crush Flavor-Aid if anyone's thirsty. Because it wasn't Kool-Aid in Jonestown, people. It was Flavor-Aid.-duck
IN THE MINORS
Orioles Insider: Minor league game recaps - May 31
Norfolk won as Jake Arrieta allowed just one run in 8.0 IP, Bowie won in extra innings, Frederick lost and Delmarva was blown out. -duck
Arrieta doesn't slow his roll - MASNsports.com
"Arrieta has allowed two earned runs or fewer in five of his last six starts. In his last three starts, he's surrendered two runs and 16 hits, walked six and struck out 23 in 22 innings. How much longer can the Orioles keep him down? How will they eventually make room for him?" Gee, Roch, I can't imagine anyone on the 25-man or the 40-man roster we don't need (COUGH!GarrettAtkinsCOUGH!) right now. Touch choice (COUGH!LouMontanezCOUGH!) indeed!
Ring Posts: Mick Foley to appear at Bowie Baysox game
"The Hardcore Legend" Mick Foley will appear at the Bowie Baysox game Friday. Cool beans! -duck
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So I've been away since Friday
and I didn’t watch a single O’s-Jays game. I feel much better.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
me too
Last night I used the word glorious describing how it felt to watch no Orioles baseball for three days.
I ate at a burger place in your hood yesterday. White Manna.
by Stacey on Jun 1, 2010 9:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm taking my O's vacation starting tonight
Watching them get swept by the Yankees isn’t my idea of fun.
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
Heh
I’m making the opposite choice, and seeing them live for the first time tonight at the House the NYC Taxpayers Built. Section 313 if anyone is going to be there.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I hope they win for you!
I mean, I always hope they win, but whenever someone gets to see them who normally can’t I hope extra hard. I feel like I have some good karma built up so I’ll try and send it your way.
I just hope Matusz pitches well
I care less that the O’s win at this point than that Jones, Wieters, Matusz and Tillman play well for the rest of the season. I take no comfort in our potentially winning games on the play of Scorey and b2b et al if that foursome continues to struggle.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
by James F on Jun 1, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this
Although i’ll add Pie once he returns, DH and 3E1N to that list
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 1, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Pie and Reimold I agree about
I care a lot less about DH now that he’s in the pen, and 3E1N isn’t as important to me. I hope he succeeds, but I have no belief that he can be an ace for us.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I have different levels of hope
I still think 3E1N can be Mark Burhle light, a 4th or 5th starter that goes deep into games all the time. DH could be that set-up guy or closer that keeps us from paying $12 M to the next 3 Mile Island.
My expectations for Reimold actually are rather low, i was always more bearish on him than most people. I always thought he was streaky and a Luke Scott type player when he was in the minors.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 1, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Reimold's real problem in the minors
was injuries. And that’s maybe still the case?
"The wise man saith, 'Put all your eggs in the one basket and--WATCH THAT BASKET.'"
I guess
I dont know, I guess i’m still not sold on him.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 1, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not suggesting that you should be
only that Reimold seems to be a guy who gets hurt a lot – and that hurts his value (obviously) as a potential everyday player.
"The wise man saith, 'Put all your eggs in the one basket and--WATCH THAT BASKET.'"
I think Luke Scott's career...
….has been pretty good, and I’d be happy to get that from Reimold.
But in this case, I’m looking at upside. Bergy’s absolute peak upside is pretty low – he’s Andy Sonnastine or John Garland if we’re extremely lucky. Reimold’s upside is a lot higher. Now, both of us can doubt that he’ll reach it. But I can root for it.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I'd be happy with that from Reimold minus the streaks.
Luke’s overall career stats paint a much rosier picture than looking at month-to-month breakdowns. When all the production comes in a few 2-3 week hot streaks it’s much less valuable.
Agree with your assessment of Bergy though. I’d be surprised if he’s a long term major leaguer.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Fair enough
But I still hope they win for you :) It’s always nice to see a win in person, especially in an out of town ballpark. I’ll just hope they win on a Wieters grand slam and a Matusz shutout.
as long as he doesnt jump on home plate after the grand slam
then i’m all for it
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 1, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
True
And there are few things in life more satisfying than sad Yankee fans.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I almost don't want to watch tonight.
I’m concerned Matusz will bomb another start, and if he does, I’ll be sad.
Everyone thought Baltimore was three easy wins and we got our ass kicked three times. - Dustin Pedroia, After the Red Sox got swept by the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 1, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Whie Manna is famous and supposed to be really good
But I HATE onions. Can’t stand ‘em. You walk in that place and you will reek of them for the next 3 days. You know that now thought i’m sure.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
You are obsessed with smelling like things
I didn’t smell like onions after that I didn’t smell like crabcakes after eating at Faidleys :) They were good for little greasy burgers.
I dunno...
You can smell that place just driving by it. Jen used to go there for lunch when she worked for a small company nearby but she said they’d either all of them would have to go or none because they’d smell for the rest of the day.
Next time you’re up here you gotta try Brooklyn’s pizza. It’s a more traditional type of pizza with the fresh mozz and the sause on top but it’s delicious and right down the road.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
sounds good
In Hackensack also? I’ll be back up in two weeks, maybe we’ll check it out.
We played darts at your bar on Saturday night, it wasn’t too crowded bc of the holiday I guess. I think we’re going to make it one of our go-to places (if you don’t mind us stealing it).
By all means, go for it
And yea, Brooklyn’s is in Hackensack as well, although if you prefer thin crust pizza Lido’s is the way to go (also within walking distance of Poitin Still). There aren’t many great bars in the area, but almost all the decent ones are Irish pubs for some reason. If you’re looking for a different place let me know.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Usually for pizza they go to Rudy's in Closter
And I just go wherever they tell me since I’m some hick from the south who doesn’t know good pizza to save my life.
Well Lido and Brooklysn are both awesome
Just depends on what you like better. Lido is great thin crust but it’s more like standard pizza while Brooklyn’s is quite different from your regular pizza joint and has very fresh ingredients. I’d say try Brooklyns 1st but both are worth the visit.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I took paternity leave from the o's
missed the WAS/OAK/BJ’s series. still didnt sleep though. this mfy series should help that out.
It is really getting hard to watch at this point.
I mean, it’s been hard to watch all season, really, except for that beautiful sweep of the Red Sox, but it’s been especially hard lately. I really thought things were turning around when we came out of that 12-game stretch vs. BOS and NYY with a 5-7 record, but not so much. And now we’ve got a 9-game stretch against them starting tonight.
I think the most frustrating thing is that mid-late May was supposed to be a nice breather, but they looked much worse than in the April games against TB (two losses entirely on Gonzo, otherwise mostly-decently played) and TOR.
I’ve only been half-watching the last several games, but I’ll still put tonight’s on… I’m paying too much for that MLB.TV subscription not to use it. Hopefully Matusz won’t look awful.
I really hope all this losing isn’t completely destroying our young guys psychologically…
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
It was good to read those scouting reports
To see that scouts haven’t given up on Jones and especially Wieters. This just reminded me that this was the year the Crow was finally given “talent” to work with and he’s really not doing anything with it. There shouldn’t be any doubts about him sucking now.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
Yeah, that's a nice feature
The Orioles Insider page at the Sun is becoming one of the better reads out there.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
So I was sitting
in one of those old car diners in Rochester, NY yesterday for some brunch before heading back home, and the Yankee Encore was on (muted, thank goodness) from the drubbing they gave Cleveland on Sunday afternoon. What really struck me (though I wasn’t particularly interested in watching) was just how much more focused and ready and attacking New York looks compared to Baltimore. Those guys look like they want nothing more than to embarrass the Indians, while Corey Patterson is twirling his glove around his waist because he’s bored and Garret Atkins looks like he can’t even see the pitcher.
I’m not saying this to heap on Dave Trembley. I think the losing more than anything took the wind out of the sails (and led to more losing)…it was just a sad moment of clarity.
"The wise man saith, 'Put all your eggs in the one basket and--WATCH THAT BASKET.'"
Since i have MLB.tv
I’ve been watching real baseball teams. Braves v. Phillis, Rays and Jays. Its like i’m actually watching baseball, its wierd.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 1, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't remind me.
Aside from Halladay’s perfect game, I haven’t even been able to turn to my NL team for some comfort.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Meanwhile
My NL is the Mets. SUCK IT!
Bring back Andino.
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jun 1, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
This just made my day!
I have tix to that game. Awesome!
Make the world a better place; punch a Yankee fan in the face!
by PBR me ASAP! on Jun 1, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow. I need that.
Are we facing off in fantasy that week? :)
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
careful
I still have your Matusz tee and Reimold bobblehead and it’s possible I’m not above reneging.
...Dibs on the Reimold bobblehead if you do?
Sorry, Dave.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I was wondering where that tee was...
I was gonna send you the Slurpee coin as a thanks when I got your return address, but I guess i’ll hold onto it for insurance now.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
yeah yeah
I’m bad at going to the post office.
by Stacey on Jun 1, 2010 1:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If you're coming up in 2 weeks don't worry about it
Especially if you are going to be at Poitin. I’m sure i’ll have a chance to see you for at least a minute or 2 to exchange.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
stacey, did you get my request for a reimold bobblehead?
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
I did!
I’ll let you know when I send it out.
by Stacey on Jun 1, 2010 1:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm actually expecting the O's to do well against the Yankees.
They’re do for one of those little “just enough to give you hope things are gonna get better” series. ie the Red Sox sweep.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Jun 1, 2010 12:46 PM EDT reply actions
Eh I don't think so.
The Red Sox sweep happened when the Sucks really hadn’t gotten going yet. Aren’t the Yanks running on all cylinders right now?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Not exactly.
They were 16-13 in May including a span where they lost 10 of 15 in the middle of the month. 6 of those wins came in a streak during the first week of the month.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Jun 1, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
not that they need to be at full strength
to take on the Orioles
"The wise man saith, 'Put all your eggs in the one basket and--WATCH THAT BASKET.'"
Some scrubb 8 or 9 hitter just up from the minors
will inevitably go 3-4 with a HR and 3 RBIs
Make the world a better place; punch a Yankee fan in the face!
Ehhh they have won 6 of their last 8.
Seems like a pretty good stretch to me.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Four of those eight were against
Cleveland though (three wins). Not like we didn’t lost to Cleveland, but still.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Jun 1, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope you're right.
If this season’s going to be this miserable, I at least want the Orioles to embarrass the Yankees badly just once this year. I savor Yankee drubbings like fine wine.
off-topic: worst baseball hats
This is funny.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
Whoa! And the winner for Worst Frickin' Hat is...
I gotta go with the Purple Rain thing. My eyes hurt, then the ol’ stomach started tp rumble.
Best line: Red Yankees hat: a sure sign of bad parenting.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
On principle my winner was the green yankees irish hat
So much wrong with that one
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 1, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
not really a hit
But the “neck sausage” cracked me up.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
yea that was real funny
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 1, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN's Rob Neyer on Wieters:
I’m not giving up on him yet, but I’ll admit that I’m moderately shocked by how he’s hit to this point. I wasn’t expecting Johnny Bench, but I wasn’t expecting this, either.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
From his chat today.
That’s all there was.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Joe Mauer hit 107 OPS+ during his first full rookie season. Wieters is sitting at 84+ on June 1st. Let’s give the man some time.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
this
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 1, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
This is about where I am.
I’m not worried, exactly, but I am a little concerned. While watching him now does make me wonder sometimes, I don’t really doubt he’ll figure it out, and I would guess he’s probably just pressing (which I suspect is what’s wrong with Jones and Reimold, too).
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
of course, it's a concern
but it’s not big deal yet.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
anybody else...
see buster posey get called up and just start murdering the damn ball?
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
Thats a bit of an overstatement
4 singles and 2 doubles in 12 ABs leads to a gaudy stat line, but a bad game or two will bring him back down to earth pretty quick.
yeah, yeah...
i know….but his name is buster.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
We take 2 outta 3 from the Yerkees. Millwood beats CC in the prophylactic match. Take it to the bank.
If you’d like some of what I’ve been smoking, I’ve got a guy in Havre de Grace — fix you right up.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Shipping costs must be terrible.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
ah, summerish...
me and my girl went and got some steamed crabs over by fort meyer on friday night and watched the hogs roll into town, dark and stormies on a buddy’s roofdeck saturday night, going to see drive by truckers in dewey in thursday and spend friday at the beach/boardwalk.
not even the o’s can bring me down right now.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
Orioles Maliase
A glance at message boards indicates it is rampant.
I caught it too. At this point I don’t care what the Orioles do. They’ll muddle around and do whatever it is they do in the front office. When they are through doing whatever it is they do and make a decision, we’ll hear about it. It’s June 1 and this season has already been to damn long.
I've never completely lost all hope before june 1 on an O's team until this year
This going to be one long year, you are right.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 1, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I think this is the earliest I've lost interest.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I'm a little bit different
I still very much want to talk Orioles basically everyday, and I still program my brain more or less around “when are the O’s on tonight?”…but I lose interest around the 3rd inning of every single game. It’s really depressing that I’m completely stuck in this routine.
"The wise man saith, 'Put all your eggs in the one basket and--WATCH THAT BASKET.'"
This is about where I am.
If they’re still in the game after the first few innings, I’ll keep it on, but I no longer feel guilty about shutting it off and doing something else.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Same here
I’ve already shifted my focus to football and hockey.
Everyone thought Baltimore was three easy wins and we got our ass kicked three times. - Dustin Pedroia, After the Red Sox got swept by the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 1, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Hope?
I took a multi-year hiatus as a fan but returned after AM was hired. To me, the biggest disappointment has been the absence of bats at the minor league level. After last years AFL, I was counting on Bell and Snyder to force their way to Baltimore in the second half.
Their lack of production, coupled with Rowell’s continued mediocre hitting, means that we have no real position prospects in the high minors. The Orioles need an entire infield (except for 2B if Roberts returns), and there are no exciting candidates at AAA or AA.
I did not like the Hobgood selection last year, and we won’t have a second round selection this year. So, the draft does not hold out a lot of hope. I just don’t see how a team like ours, which allowed both the farm system and the major league team to go completely to hell, can bounce back.
I love how utterly confused my generation is about privacy
A girl i went to this girl i went to high school with just updated her relationship to single then posted a status requesting no one ask about it.
Either keep that information to yourself, or dont get upset when people ask questions about it. Honestly, i cant blame facebook for making so many blunders in this area, we dont know what the hell we want.
people take social networking sites way too seriously
I’m on facebook and I always try to have fun with it.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
anybody interested in the o's v. nats series june 25th thru 27th?
both of my usual game partners won’t be in town. i’d love to see matusz up against strasburg.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I'll be at the game on the 27th
but i’m going with a buddy and we already have seats. I’m sure we’ll be at pickles or something beforhand though
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
field trip! field trip!
…for us folks down the interstate.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
I have tix for 27th, but I'll look into exchanging those to see Strasburg pitch.
Everyone thought Baltimore was three easy wins and we got our ass kicked three times. - Dustin Pedroia, After the Red Sox got swept by the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 2, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
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