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Jake Arrieta: 1-0

I'm just in the door from the game. What a great time! My first win of the year is Jake Arrieta's first win in the big leagues. I'll be back with a detailed recap later, but here are a few positive bullet points to get you started:

  • Arrieta struck out 6 batters in 6 innings. 
  • He allowed 4 hits, half as many as AJ Burnett. 
  • After the game he hung around on the field signing autographs
  • About the pie to the face he said, "I've been waiting for that pie for three years."
  • Adam Jones had a good night with two hits including a double. 
  • Scott Moore hit his first HR since April 2008. 
O's win, 4-3! 

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Wow

I came on to post a comment about the score being 4-2 instead of 4-3, and when this page loads the score’s already changed to 4-3. Y’all are quick.

Thrilled to finally see a win. Arrieta had a good night, Luke not so much. It was good to see Samuel be stern with Luke, haven’t seen a manager of ours do that in quite some time (cough, cough). Also happy to see Adam getting back into a rhythm. He also did a fabulous job pieing Jake, perfect shot.

"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.

by LenaO on Jun 10, 2010 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

As soon as I hit publish I realized what I did and went back and changed it.

I was hoping nobody noticed. Thanks for pointing it out anyway, LENA ;)

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 10, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oooooops. Sorry. :D

If anything, I’m COMPLIMENTING you for being so quick to fix a typo. :)

"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.

by LenaO on Jun 10, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was great to see discipline,

I also think resting Wieters, truly resting him for a day will help him do better to.

by Dodge that Bird! on Jun 10, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ehh

Real discipline would have been removing Luke for a pinch runner as soon as it happened.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

we didn't notice this at the game

did he not run out of the box? we were looking at the ball and by the time I watched luke he was running his ass off.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 11, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

He slammed his bad down and pouted like a crybaby 10 year old while jogging to first. Didn’t turn it until he saw Swisher (that’s who it was right?) was going to miss it. It was dogshit.

3DG was ripping into him mercilessly.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I saw the comments in the game thread

I figured it must have been out of the box since I was looking at Swisher the whole time. That sucks.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 11, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

And

then it seemed like he was arguing with Samuel in the dugout about it – 3DG was convinced he was making excuses. I mean who knows what was actually said though. Didn’t look good.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really didn't look good

because that’s the 2nd time Samuel’s had to get on him about running in the past week.

From the Land of Pleasant Living...

by OEutaw on Jun 11, 2010 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

If it had been an isolated incident I could chalk it up to frustration with struggling at the plate, but this is 2 times in a week. He needs to sit his ass on the pine for a game or 2.

by PBR me ASAP! on Jun 11, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh there was another time?? Fuck I must have missed that.

Get your fucking head out of your ass Luke.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was ok with the dugout exchange

Samuel talked to him about it immediately, and the cameras caught him pantomiming Luke’s bat slam. Luke did talk back to him, but then they both laughed about it. Trying to speculate the exact nature of their conversation seems fruitless to me. I’m willing to let Samuel decide how he wants to address it, as long as it gets addressed, which clearly it did.

by Dingbat Charlie on Jun 11, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

It didn’t look like argument to me. More like Samuel making fun of Luke.

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jun 11, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not interested in speculating the conversation.

I’m interested in seeing him benched. That little lecture in the dugout was great TV, but I’m not sure it really shows anybody anything.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had class tonight so I dvr'd the game

And I’m in the sixth right now and pretty impressed with Arrieta. He has great stuff. The control issues I’ve heard about were there but hopefully that can be fixed over time. You can’t teach stuff and luckily this kid has plenty of it.

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jun 10, 2010 11:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Should have known

I go out to a show, and the O’s do this.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 10, 2010 11:20 PM EDT reply actions  

What...

do you only care about seeing O’s prospects until they are actually O’s? :)

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jun 11, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

sometimes

i think it might be easier that way

by kba26 on Jun 11, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

guess the chicken fucking ceased for at least one game

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 10, 2010 11:20 PM EDT reply actions  

After Tillman's performance last night and Arrieta tonight

I am actually excited about the future again.

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jun 10, 2010 11:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't forget DHernandez in the ninth

Tonight’s game made me feel good, and it’s been a long time since that’s happened.

by PhilR8 on Jun 10, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The strikeouts are nice.

I always worry when a pitcher has low strikeout totals, even if he’s not giving up many runs. (See Bergesen and Tillman, for example.) Six strong innings against the Yankees. Nice debut.

Now if only we could score a few more runs. I think Jones is turning it around—he’s showing more plate discipline and reaping the benefits. Wieters is kind of painful to watch right now. Hopefully he can turn it around.

by Bad Horse on Jun 10, 2010 11:46 PM EDT reply actions  

What a disaster this was

What the hell was the club thinking bringing Arrieta up to face the Yankees in his first start? And with only a couple days’ notice? The baggage from this evening will weigh Jake down for the rest of his career.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Jun 10, 2010 11:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Pitchers who won their ML debut with the O's last year:

Tillman, Uehara, Bergesen, Berken, Hernandez, Matusz…

Did that prove that they were ready to be starters in the majors?

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 10, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was clearly ready to start tonight.

The rest remains to be seen. You can bitch all you want, but you have to admit that the “don’t let him face the big bad Yankees” line of thinking turned out to be a bunch of hand-wringing.

Of course, it might have turned out the other way. But it didn’t. Hence my overall point: let’s not deconstruct every single move the FO makes and paint it in the worst possible light.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Jun 10, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I only saw the first couple of innings

And I’m not a good scout, so I can’t speak to that.

That said, even if we were wrong to be concerned, I think the O’s front office has given us a lot of reason not to trust them. That doesn’t mean that they aren’t sometimes right. But that still doesn’t mean that any of us should be comfortable taking them on faith.

They have put us through the wringer. I don’t know that we need to sugarcoat that. Let them prove our doubts wrong a little more often. Then we’ll give them all the credit they can want and more.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 11, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the O’s front office has given us a lot of reason not to trust them.

Yeah, I just don’t agree with this. I think the O’s FO has been pretty terrific the past few years given what the org was like when AM came in, the markets they had to deal with, etc. My only real gripes are Atkins and Gonzo.

The thing to say here is, “I was overreacting.” Or, if you can’t stomach saying that, say, “I stand by my position that it was an ill-advised move, but I have to admit he delivered admirably. Particularly when he struck a guy out to get out of jam with the bases loaded during a tie game in the sixth.”

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Jun 11, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know that I agree with this
I think the O’s FO has been pretty terrific the past few years

But it is certainly too large of a question to answer here. He seems to have pitched quite well, although it seems much of his best work was stuff I haven’t seen yet. But I still believe that my point about how best to manage our assets is sound.

That said, it is absolutely certain that I was overreacting. I usually am.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 11, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I say no

They’ve mishandled injuries on a constant basis. Felix Pie was allowed to break ST with a sore shoulder, Brian Roberts was allowed to break ST with a bad back. Nolan Reimold was encouraged to keep playing on a partially torn Achielles tendon last year, and brought north when it was obvious it wasn’t fully healed. Mike Gonzalez was brough north with it obvious to anyone who had previously seen him pitch we wasn’t right – his fastball barely touched 90. Don’t get me started on signing Garrett Atkins.

I’d say the FO has done a lot wrong in the past 12 months.

When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey

by duck on Jun 11, 2010 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

players lie about injuries.

and doctors have to make their best guesses.

the only one of those i’ll hang on them is one you didn’t bring up, which is the stupidity of the bergy commercial.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Jun 11, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

But we knew

Felix’s shoulder wasn’t right, we knew Brian had hurt his back, and we knew Nolan had to have Achilles’ surgery. And anyone paying attention could have seen Mike Gonzalez wasn’t right.

When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey

by duck on Jun 11, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

beat me to it!

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by birdman on Jun 11, 2010 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

"let’s not deconstruct every single move the FO makes and paint it in the worst possible light."

What fun would that be????/

When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey

by duck on Jun 11, 2010 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

let’s not deconstruct every single move the manager makes and paint it in the worst possible light

Oh wait, you led the parade on that one. Yeah this is snarky, but it’s not like the FO deserves our implicit trust. They have a lot to prove.

by drj on Jun 11, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

the manager is one guy

whose moves have immediate impact on the field, particularly when he makes the same types of moves OVER AND OVER AND OVER again, and they repeatedly fail.

FO moves, on the other hand, are not as immediate; and “when to call up the rookie and who he should face” is a ridiculous nonstarter argument if everyone generally agrees the rookie 1) is likely to be promoted at some point this year, and 2) has been lighting them up in AAA.

there’s plenty of fodder for the argument that a manager shouldn’t adhere unafilingly to “ya gotta go with the lefty-lefty matchup there” because there’s tons of evidence where that’s not the case. there is not plenty of fodder for when Arrieta should have been promoted.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Jun 11, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

"when to call up the rookie and who he should face" is a ridiculous nonstarter argument if everyone generally agrees the rookie 1) is likely to be promoted at some point this year, and 2) has been lighting them up in AAA.

Why exactly? Why can’t there be an argument about whether it makes sense to let them get their feet wet against a mediocre team before having them pitch against the best team in baseball? The fact that they are ready and are pitching well in AAA somehow prevents the FO from doing some planning about who they pitch against?

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course there can be an argument

it’s just not ever going to be a clear-cut argument.

you’re arguing: “the FO has to put a lot of thought into who this guy’s FIRST GAME is, because if they don’t it might adversely affect his career.”

I’m arguing, “meh, it doesn’t really matter, he’s probably going to be up for a while, and he’s going to face them all sooner or later. if he’s ready to to pitch in the bigs, then he’s ready to pitch in the bigs: he needs to be able to face anyone, not just the pirates and royals.”

and my point is, this is an unwinnable argument. there’s no data that’s really going to show a lot for either side, so we’re just both arguing our gut feelings, and i don’t think those will change.

the only thing I’m adding is this: based on the start he ACTUALLY HAD, it’s a stretch to say, “well, it was a bad move.”

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Jun 11, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say anything about it adversely affecting his career.

I just want the transition to go as smoothly as possible and I don’t think having him pitch against the Yankees is setting him up for a smooth transition.

Lots of arguments are technically unwinnable – doesn’t mean you shouldn’t debate them.

And again – the fact that he did well really doesn’t say much about the quality of the front office’s decision. It just indicates that he did well.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lots of arguments are technically unwinnable – doesn’t mean you shouldn’t debate them.

Sure, and I’ll say I can see the legitimacy of your point. But this is one of those areas which can sustain multiple viewpoints. I personally don’t have a problem with him starting off against the Yanks. I see adversity and challenge as a good thing. If he gets lit up yesterday then he’ll have to mentally shelf it and get ready for the next start. if he can’t do that, he’s going to have a hard time in the majors.

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by birdman on Jun 11, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he gets lit up yesterday then he’ll have to mentally shelf it and get ready for the next start. if he can’t do that, he’s going to have a hard time in the majors.

exactly. he’s not an eggshell, he’s a grown man.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Jun 11, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean this is a nice theory

but I don’t think it works. Pitchers are people and people get mentally damaged by seemingly minor events. It happens all the time that pitchers get their confidence shaken and it takes a very long time to repair. I just don’t see the point in risking that with a prized prospect – particularly when these games don’t mean anything for the O’s. One of the advantages of truly rebuilding is that you can be totally flexible with your prospects and not rush anybody and treat them with kid gloves. Let them toughen up later in the year – the games aren’t going to matter then either.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pitchers are people and people get mentally damaged by seemingly minor events.

Again, getting mentally damaged isn’t a horrible thing. Overcoming that “damage” is a good thing IMO. If he can’t overcome it, then he’s not going to last in the majors.

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by birdman on Jun 11, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

But why does he have to face that challenge in his first ever start?

He’s going to have plenty of opportunities to be challenged – why not wait until he’s not the center of attention and thinking about how this is what he’s wanted for the last 18 years?

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

But why does he have to face that challenge in his first ever start?

Because that’s life brutha!

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by birdman on Jun 11, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only because they made it the reality of life.

This was a decision – not just some uncontrollable “that’s life” situation..

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

see below

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by birdman on Jun 11, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean I don’t think you should throw out preparation and not do things to set up someone for success. But eventually, in any job, you’re going to get thrown in the fire. AGAIN, I can see the legitimacy of your point. I see wanting to throw him against the Royals instead of the Yanks. But I don’t think this is a horrible case of mistreatment because they made him start against the big bad Yankees.

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by birdman on Jun 11, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I don't think it's horrible

To me it’s just sort of a head scratcher in a long line of head scratchers for the O’s handling of situations.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess it depends on the alternatives. You could throw Hendrickson into the rotation. You could bring up AAAA fodder but then you would have to move someone off the 40 man roster. Or you could go with Jake. I personally like the decision.

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by birdman on Jun 11, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh

I would have preferred Bergesen or Hendo, but what I really would have preferred is if I had confidence that the organization even considered all these issues. And I just don’t.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hendo is a spot starter. I’m sure the thought at least entered their mind. But I’m guessing they like Hendo in the bullpen a lot better. I prefer they move 3E1N into the rotation before Hendo. And I’m sure Hernandez entered their minds as well but I think they want to test him in the closer role.

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by birdman on Jun 11, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

all those thoughts make sense. You really think they put much thought into this decision? I wish I trusted them to do that…

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do think they considered several options because Andy is a generally a smart and sensible person and that what smart and sensible people do. My gut feelings is that they felt the decision to go with Jake was the clear winner. I’m sure they would have liked to start him against a shitty team but roster management constraints and the reasons that I pointed out led them to believe it was the best alternative in their minds.

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by birdman on Jun 11, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope so.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

this reminds of the brouhaha over Bedard and the M's opening day

Easy E makes the start which O’s fans howled against because Easy E doesn’t like the spotlight blah blah blah. If Easy E can’t the handle the spotlight of an opening day start, how is going to handle the playoffs.

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by birdman on Jun 11, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ehhh

I think that’s a little different than a guy making his major league debut. We don’t need him to prove in his major league debut that he can pitch in the playoffs or beat the yankees – just that he belongs in the big leagues and feels comfortable here. If he’s going to stick he’ll have plenty of chances to toughen up against teams like NY later in the year.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is difference. I never said it was perfect parallel. I just said it remind me.

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by birdman on Jun 11, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure

I can buy that argument – I don’t agree with it because I personally just think for a major league debut where the guy is going to be nervous and dealing with a lot of shit that’s going to distract him from his task having him face a bunch of studs just doesn’t make that much sense. But I can see the logic.

I just don’t think the simple fact that he did well indicates that it was a good decision. I also don’t think the organization put any of the thought that we’re putting into this discussion into the decision. Hope I’m wrong about that though…

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the problem with over-obsession with stats and predictors...

…. and O’sFan, I’m not necessarily placing you in that group.

But you once an event has happened, you have to acknowledge the event.

If a manager chooses to keep a righty in against a lefty with the bases loaded in a close game, instead of going to a LOOGY or whatever, and the righty strikes the lefty out, then it was the right move. Because the move you want is the move that gets the desired result.

Over-obsessed saber types will say, “No it’s the wrong move, you HAVE to bring the lefty in there”, and it doesn’t matter that the result was achieved, the manager is still a bonehead.

This is what turns me off about this fantasy baseball age. Sometimes, a manager goes with the gut and is right. And when that happens, IT IS THE RIGHT MOVE. Because the right move is the one that achieves the desired result, not the one that follows the predictors and statistical models.

I am not arguing that the O’s were going with their gut. I think you think that, and I simply don’t know. I don’t think the FO was as careless about this decision as you do, for sure. I am not even arguing it was the right move (if you look up, you’ll see this).

I am arguing that when the desired result is achieved, you cannot argue it was the wrong move. There’s a difference.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Jun 11, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree completely.

Things happen that shouldn’t have happened and aren’t likely to happen again all the time – they are not necessarily indications of anything other than that they happened. I hate to keep using the poker analogy, but it really fits – just because somebody made a bad play and got lucky and won doesn’t negate the fact that it was a bad play.

So I really just totally disagree with this statement – I don’t think it has ANY validity.

If a manager chooses to keep a righty in against a lefty with the bases loaded in a close game, instead of going to a LOOGY or whatever, and the righty strikes the lefty out, then it was the right move. Because the move you want is the move that gets the desired result.

I definitely don’t think you HAVE to make the right move every time as you say, but that doesn’t change the fact that there IS a right move and a wrong one – regardless of outcome.

The orioles are playing games that don’t matter right now, so outcomes are even less of a determinant of what’s right and what’s wrong. We should be doing everything this season with an eye toward the future. If you think that pitching Arrieta against NYY was the right long term move because it’ll show how tough he is or whatever, great like I said I can buy that. But it really seems like you’re saying that because he did well it was the right move and that is an argument I don’t find even remotely convincing. The only thing him doing well showed me was that he did well.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

no
But it really seems like you’re saying that because he did well it was the right move

I have repeatedly said that I am not arguing that. That instead, I am arguing that once they bring him up and he does well, you can no longer argue that it was the wrong move.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Jun 11, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

*sorry,

emphasis should have been on “repeatedly”, not “arguing” above.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Jun 11, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's the difference between those two statements?

He did well so it was the right move or he did well so you can no longer argue it was the wrong move? Those seem like the same thing.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed it is "the right move"

But, if the manager makes a move on poor grounds (his gut), he will fail more often than not and it will cause me to question his decision making ability. Even if he makes the move the odds say is the right move, but he reveals he did so for the wrong reasons (the magic leprechaun on his shoulder told him too), it is still fair to question his decision making.

by uneasy rider on Jun 11, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s fine if you don’t disagree with it, but I think there’s legitimacy to that view point.

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by birdman on Jun 11, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

argh, if you don't agree with it, that is.

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by birdman on Jun 11, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

for once you and I agree – there is certainly legitimacy to the argument that having him face the yankees right off the bat is good for him long term. What I don’t think is a legitimate argument is saying “Well since he did well it was definitely the right move.”

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, we probably agree on a lot things

we’re not siskel and ebert. it’s just that the agreements don’t turn into a 100 post conversation.

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by birdman on Jun 11, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

Yes we are siskel and ebert! Damn it!

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I don’t think is a legitimate argument is saying "Well since he did well it was definitely the right move."

Which I have never once argued. Nor has anyone here, I believe.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Jun 11, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm

Again I just don’t see how what I said above is different than what you say here:

But you once an event has happened, you have to acknowledge the event.


If a manager chooses to keep a righty in against a lefty with the bases loaded in a close game, instead of going to a LOOGY or whatever, and the righty strikes the lefty out, then it was the right move. Because the move you want is the move that gets the desired result.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ehhhhh

Just because it worked doesn’t mean it was the right move.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

you'd have a hard time making a case it was a wrong move.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Jun 11, 2010 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

To you perhaps.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

nope, to anyone

we can argue all day about whether it was a right move or not. that’s not easy to prove.

but when a rookie comes up and pitches very effectively in his first MLB start against one of baseball’s best lineups, leaves the game without being injured, gets a victory, and is gushing with confidence afterwards, there is no reasonable way you can argue that is will be damaging to his career.

i mean, i guess you could, but you’d sound like an idiot.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Jun 11, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

To me

this is like saying “Well I caught that gut shot straight so it was definitely the right move and I should make it every time!” It just doesn’t make any sense.

Sure he did well and that’s awesome, but why that negates the argument that it would have been better to have him start against the Mets doesn’t make any sense to me. It’s just logical to let your stud prospects get their feet under them a little bit.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s just logical to let your stud prospects get their feet under them a little bit.

No, it’s just your opinion. Pthers might say it’s logical to not baby your prospects and that a start such as the one we just witnessed will have better lasting affects on Arrieta than pitching against a weak club.

Really, we’re not going to agree, so let’s just let it go.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Jun 11, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure

that’s the other side of the argument – not that because he did well it’s a good decision. If you want to say that beating the best will really get his confidence going then I can agree with that. But I don’t think that’s what the organization was thinking – I think they just went “Well shit Guthrie is a little sore, so fuck it let’s have Jake come up and pitch on Thursday.”

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I'm not being clear.

There’s certainly a valid argument to be made that he should have pitched against the Yankees and that it was the right decision. I just don’t think the fact that he did well is it.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was the right move

In that it worked. That being said, I think they got lucky. More often than not, this will blow up in their faces. This shows a decision making process that I think is wrong. I like that the Nationals started their rookie against a AAA lineup in his first start. I would have liked to have seen them wait and start Jake against San Fran, San Diego, or Oakland. Even next weekend against Washington would have been better.

by uneasy rider on Jun 11, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

not if washington beat him and he didn't get out of the second inning.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Jun 11, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha

OK, whatever.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Jun 11, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad to see you've come around on this...

When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey

by duck on Jun 11, 2010 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Line look even better considering 2 of the 4 walks were intentional

Unrelated to this, Caleb Joseph started at 1B for the Baysox tonight.

Supposedly just to give him a break from getting beat up behind the plate. However, he’s moving up prospect lists and it will be hard for him to find playing time with Wieters already behind the plate.

Thoughts?

by Jordan Tuwiner on Jun 10, 2010 11:57 PM EDT reply actions  

the two IBBs is an excellent point

without them, his WHIP is 1.00, and his K/BB ratio is 3:1. Not bad.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Jun 11, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think if he becomes a major league player

they should BOTH be playing first and can alternate at the cather position. This way you don’t really have to carry a back up C (he’ll be the guy playing 1st) and instead you can carry a backup 1B, which likely means a better offensive player. Also, it makes it alot easier to rest Wieters significantly more (by playing him at 1st) as you would have the exact same offense either way. You could do the same thing without Wieters playing 1st by simply making Caleb an everyday 1B and 2-3 time a week catcher, but I don’t personally believe his bat will be strong enough to keep us from wanting to go out and find a free agent at 1st.

But yes, i’m all for adding positional versatility to any player.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jun 11, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice AP lead, for a change...

BALTIMORE (AP)—In his major league debut, Jake Arrieta didn’t draw a sellout crowd, strike out 14 batters or hit 100 mph on the radar gun.

Nah, all he did was beat the defending World Series champion New York Yankees.

========

When’s our next Gnats series? Wouldn’t it be cool if Arieta faces Strasburg and…

Meanwhile, it’s Guts against another NPL mediocrity, the Metzzz. Two is a streak, right? Go O’s!

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jun 11, 2010 12:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh, and back at the Cup: Wanna know how confident the Brits are about US-England on Sat.?

Our Brit sports editor spotted me TWO GOALS in our bet. Yikes…

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jun 11, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

take it!

if the brits win, it’s 2-1. no way do i see a clean sheet.

…they aren’t starting clamity james in goal are they? i mean, i’ve never understood the line of thinking that that guy’s any good.

"If they pitch to you, make them pay."

--Diamond Dave to the Phenom

by j.q. higgins on Jun 11, 2010 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Two goals?

Bet the house

When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey

by duck on Jun 11, 2010 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Took it, of course -- but him giving two goals still makes me nervous...

I mean, all I know is that this guy’s (a) a Brit (Manchester); (b) our sports editor; and (c ) once described (in print!) a very unusual goal-scoring play with the phrase “as rare as a sober Irishman”— which, as I explained to him, you couldn’t really do in a US publication, see, ’cause we sue people for stuff like that. He laughed, said This is Moscow and claimed he was actually quoting Homer Simpson anyway…

The stakes are a bottle of the winner’s choice. He was talking about Napoleon brandies and the like as we were leaving work yetserday. What the hell does he know that isn’t in the papers…?

I wanted to clarify the 1st round perspective better (I don’t know the tournament mechanics that well) — i.e. if Eng. goes up 2-0, say, will the prospect of adding to goal differential be great enough to overcome a play-the-scrubs/don’t draw penalties & injuries defensive tack, mitigating against a 3rd goal (and for me winning the bet?) — but the editor came in and kicked us out of the design room.

But I still think it’s a good bet. Which may come under the heading jf Famous Last Words, of course…

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jun 11, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

And in other OTHER news, Pac 10: WTF?!?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/10/AR2010061002843.html?hpid=moreheadlines

TV rules all, of course, but criminy: I didn’t like adding Zona and the Scum Devils (where’s Arizona’s Pacific coastline again?) and losing the Pac 8 cache. This is frickin’ ridiculous.

I know, I know: the U. of the Pacific is in…Stockton. Not a lot of surfing there. And the old AAA Pacific Coast League at one point included a team in, um, Little Rock (long story, involving the collapse of the American Association and realignment of the International League— yeah, the one that used to have the Havana Sugar Kings). [For that matter, the U. of South Florida is, er, not in South Florida, but I guess that qualifies here as an Unrelated Development…]

All that is true. But c’mon; a Pacific Anything should not include teams from Colorado and Texas. It’s just…silly. And changing the name to something nice ‘n’ generic (the Western League, the Extended Left Bank of the Mississippi Conference) smacks of desperation even as it abandons an established and highly successful brand.

So yeah, WTF?!?

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jun 11, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would be a bit tought to do these days...

When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey

by duck on Jun 11, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not if one were to 'sqeegee' one's 3rd eye enough.

I’m sure you could do a damn good job of convincing yourself you were talking to the man in the flesh! Of course, you’d really just be mumbling in the direction of your omelette or something….

by PBR me ASAP! on Jun 11, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love this description of Scott Moore's homerun from River Avenue Blues:
I honestly thought it was a deep fly ball off the bat, deep but certainly playable. Instead the ball just hung up, chasing the outfielders back to the wall before ever so slowly landing in the people for a solo homer.

"MONTANEZ: Alas! I cannot hit. Deal with it."
-Eat More Esskay

by flaggthecat on Jun 11, 2010 12:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah I know I said full recap later

But that’s probably not gonna happen. Maybe in the morning. Maybe not.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 11, 2010 12:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh, hey, congratulations on your first win of the year!

"MONTANEZ: Alas! I cannot hit. Deal with it."
-Eat More Esskay

by flaggthecat on Jun 11, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks!

1-8, baby!

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 11, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I feel guilty

I’ve been to Camden Yards once this year and saw them win against Seattle. I feel like I’m hording all the wins.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Jun 11, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've been just once this year as well

and saw Matusz’s gem, which became a nightmare on Wieters tee night.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jun 11, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hernandez

Had trouble keeping the fastball down, but he was throwing absolute gas (96-98 mph, and just looked plain old fast)

by jirwin on Jun 11, 2010 1:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Just based on this game

I’m calling an Orioles sweep of the Mets. Might even put money down.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Jun 11, 2010 1:09 AM EDT reply actions  

the sad thing is..

I made 2 bets with a Mets fan I work with at the beginning of the year—

The Orioles would win more games than the Mets

Brian Matusz would win more games than Santana

by GeoffreyA on Jun 11, 2010 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

yikes those were bad bets haha

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

At teh time it didn't seem so bad

Santana is about due for an injury, plus his FB is down like 4mph…not that it’s his best pitch but when his CU is affected by it…

And teh mets weren’t really looking that good from what I read so I figured it was safe…o well.

by GeoffreyA on Jun 11, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was following it on gamecast until I went to sleep.

This team is seriously depressing, so it’s nice to have one bright spot. Of course, who knows how long this will last.

I'm back. YAY SUMMER!

by DCO'sfan on Jun 11, 2010 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I really feel bad for Millwood

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 11, 2010 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Are you people insane?

Do you not see your record? The Os are clearly not going to be in the playoffs (or even the playoff hunt) and are going to have their 13th consecutive losing season.

If you’re lookin for the lone brightspot, Jake Arrieta could possibly be it, but starting pitchers can only do so much as they only play once every five games.

As great as Adam Jones and Brian Roberts are, even they realize they will not ever win the Orioles, lets all hope they get out of Baltimore while they are still in their prime and at least have a chance at the playoffs some point in thier careers (Melvin Mora comes to mind when I think of a good player hanging on a little too long)

And one thing comes to mind when I think of your all-star shortstop turned third baseman connected to steriods. When he was with Baltimore the first time, I believe he complained about the Os constantly losing all the time. So he becomes a free agent and he signs with…the Baltimore Orioles?

So when is the losing going to stop? The Os can not keep losing and losing every season, even the Greatest Oriole of all Time in Ken Singleton can’t take it anymore

by The Last Shall Become First on Jun 11, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

STFU.

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jun 11, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

kill yourself douchebag
As great as Adam Jones and Brian Roberts are, even they realize they will not ever win the Orioles

They aren’t ever going to win the team?? Did they enter a contest to win ownership of the team? That’s so exciting!!! JERKOFF

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

"even the Greatest Oriole of all Time in Ken Singleton can’t take it anymore"

I wasn’t sure if it was sarcasm or not until I read that. S/he just doesn’t do sarcasm well, that’s all.

When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey

by duck on Jun 11, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I know it's the hot new internet meme

but “KIll yourself” isn’t really going to catch on here, because the mods won’t let it. Choose differently next time.

When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey

by duck on Jun 11, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Die in a fire

is the more traditional meme, but thats probably not ok either

by kba26 on Jun 11, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

The sarcasm is a bit more obvious in that one

When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey

by duck on Jun 11, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh there was no sarcasm involved in my comment.

sarcasm

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And that's what I was afraid of

When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey

by duck on Jun 11, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well obviously I would never use that with any members of the community here.

but I figured an exception could be made for this fucko.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why should he kill himself though?

He wakes up everyday as a douchebag Yankee fan. Isn’t that punishment enough?

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jun 11, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

but they don’t realize that’s punishment.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea but they are like the kid at school that everybody is laughing at

but he thinks they are laughing with him. That makes it twice as funny.

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jun 11, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

I guess that’s true.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was appropriate

There’s a Yankee fan on my bowling league, and he’s a typical skinny douche who’s all mouth. I wouldn’t mind if he followed your instructions, either.

by PhilR8 on Jun 11, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whats with all the hostility?

Look we can all agree that the Os are not a good team, plain and simple. But you people are wishing death on me over a GAME? Come on, life is too short to harbor such ill feelings just because someone is a fan of a rival team. This team does have some talent. even I realize that Markakis and Jones are two of the best all around players in the league and Wigginton’s on fire right now.

But let me say this about the Yankees fans that you call doucebags, they are just very passionate fans, why do all the other fans got to bring us down for that. Some of us may be cocky due to the several World Series we have been to in recent years, but at the end of the day baseball is just a game meant to entertain us, so don’t go wishing death on anyone just because they are a fan of the Yankees

by The Last Shall Become First on Jun 11, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, just leave

theres no way this conversation is going to end well

by kba26 on Jun 11, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's with all the hostility? Are you really that stupid?

You come on here, trash our organization, suck your team’s collective cocks, and don’t expect us to react? Get the fuck gone if you don’t like it dickhead.

As far as the other yankee douchefans you speak of – yeah some of you may indeed be cocky due to the several world series that have been purchased in recent years. And that tends to rub some of the rest of us who are passionate about teams that can’t just purchase all the best free agent talent available year after year the wrong way.

And I didn’t wish death on you because you’re a yankee fan – I wished death on you because you came in here like fucking asshole and spouted off. Go the fuck back to pinstripe alley.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please

The Rays have only been around since 1998 and they have already been to a World Series and are now the best team in baseball with very few free agents leading the way. The Orioles franchise was established in 1894, do the math. You may say we “purchased” our titles, but the simple fact is there is something called free agency, how stupid would I sound if I said the Os “bought” Miguel Tejada this offseason.

by The Last Shall Become First on Jun 11, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, the Orioles franchise was established in 1954. The Brewer franchise (which eventually became the Orioles) was established in 1901.

I have no idea where 1894 came from, the AL didn’t form until 1901.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 11, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. You are really not smart.
The Orioles franchise was established in 1894, do the math.

The O’s have been around since 1954 you stupid fuck. And in that time they’ve won 3 world championships, 6 pennants and made 10 playoff appearances. Even if you carry it back to the St. Louis Browns or the Brewers they have only existed since 1901. Typical Yankee fan ignorance of anything that didn’t occur in your shitty ass stadium. Seriously get a clue and learn something about this game you claim to be so passionate about. It’s pathetic.

You may say we "purchased" our titles, but the simple fact is there is something called free agency, how stupid would I sound if I said the Os "bought" Miguel Tejada this offseason.

Wow – really? You want to compare a 1 year, $5 M Tejada contract to the signings of CC Sabathia, AJ Burnett, Andy Pettitte, and Mark Teixeira all in a single offseason? hahahahaha you are hilarious. Our beef is not with free agency – it’s with the system that allows the yankees to spend more money than everybody else in the league (and many teams combined) simply because they generate more money than anybody else. Get a clue.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Listen Bitch

The Milwaukee Brewers, which eventually became the Orioles was established in 1894, look it up and notice that I said “Franchise” not the team.

There is no cap, so obviously they can spend as much as they want. And being that they have the most money that is usually alot.

The Yankees fans go out each and every day and fill up the stadium every day, Camden Yards is a grave yard 95 percent of the time. People all around the world from Harlem to Baltimore to Japan buy that iconic Yankees hat that is why we have more money. So quit being a little bitch and tell Orioles fans, if there are any left, to support you team.

And by the way since you have verbally abused me since I came to this site with the best intentions, I’m sure the head of this site would mind if I told you suck my dick, bitch and die

by The Last Shall Become First on Jun 11, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahaha.

And by the way since you have verbally abused me since I came to this site with the best intentions, I’m sure the head of this site would mind if I told you suck my dick, bitch and die

You would be wrong. Bring on the banhammer!

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jun 11, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kind of like the attitude in his post

It’s just ruined with the typical Yankee fan doublespeak about how they are the most storied blah blab blah shut up already.

by PhilR8 on Jun 11, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Be gentle with his feelings.

He’s been verbally abused.

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jun 11, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

And by the way since you have verbally abused me since I came to this site with the best intentions,

I’ll avoid the verbal abuse but dude, you come here, start by calling people insane (!), and then trash our team (however justifiably, I mean for the love of fuck, we know our team is bad) and you don’t expect people to get pissed off?! I guess I’m surprised that you’re surprised at the hostility. I almost want to say you came to stir ship up on purpose but your other posts suggest that may not be the case.

I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.

by birdman on Jun 11, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's just that he's REALLY not smart.

I’m almost starting to feel bad for him, but not quite.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t go that far… socially inept or careless comes to mind though.

I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.

by birdman on Jun 11, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s just insecure. No big deal.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 11, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm having trouble seeing how someone

with all those rings can be so insecure.

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jun 11, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

and also totally ignorant and uneducated about the game he claims to be so passionate about. I guess you’re right he could be very intelligent about other things, but that seems highly unlikely.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh so stupid - can't even understand BR

Here’s a linky for you.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BAL/

Tell me where you see 1894 listed as part of their franchise history. This internet thing is tricky, I know, so I’ll help you out. It’s not there!

Played as

    * Baltimore Orioles (4568-4352 W-L, 1954 – 2010) – 3 World Championships, 6 Pennants, and 10 Playoff Appearances
    * St. Louis Browns (3414-4465 W-L, 1902 – 1953) – 1 Pennant and 1 Playoff Appearance
    * Milwaukee Brewers (48-89 W-L, 1901)
    * Overall (8030-8906 W-L, 1901 – 2010) – 3 World Championships, 7 Pennants, and 11 Playoff Appearances

We can have a debate about why the Yankees make so much money – I would argue it’s because they own an absurdly profitable TV station, are lucky enough to play in the wealthiest sports market in the world, and have the tax payers to pay for their stadiums that they then can charge absurdly high ticket prices for because they know that the rich corporations will buy up ticket packages to impress their clients. Meanwhile the real fans are sitting in overly priced shitty bleacher seats acting like assholes. But my point was not that they aren’t a great franchise with great fans that spend a lot of money on them – my point is that the system is broken if that allows them to be the best team year in and year out because they’re able to purchase all the best players. Of course you don’t see anything wrong with that system since it allows your team to win a WS on a regular basis.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and

you don’t need to say the O’s bought Tejada to sound stupid. You’re doing a fine job of it already.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

The majority of them are cocky, uneducated fans who say things like Adam Jones is one of the best all around players in the leage (presumably because he went to an all star game?) or that gold gloves, all star appearances, and championships prove how good a player is/was. They are generally entitled, arrogant jerks who think they are better than others because the team they root for is consistently good in a system that makes it easier for them to be that way.

Of course not all of them are like that. In fact quite a few of my friends are Yankees fans (as I live in NJ). But not realizing that this is the reason is like not knowing who the unpopular friend is in your group. It propbably means you are one.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jun 11, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t the Orioles have one of the best teams in 1996 and 1997? In 1997 they actually won the AL East title, why didn’t it stay that way?

You see from 1982 to 1993 the New York Yankees had a similar stretch of bad baseball, but at least we had some winning seasons thrown in there. Since 1997 when they actually had enough talent to win a AL East division title, all they have done since is lose and lose and lose. Camden yards used to be packed back in the day, but those day are long gone.

by The Last Shall Become First on Jun 11, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

what is your fucking point?

We are calling you a fucking douchebag for acting like a fucking douchebag and this is how you respond??? It’s like you’re not following the conversation. This comment has literally nothing to do with the comment you were responding to.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the beauty of being a Yankees fan.

You reserve the right to be oblivious to everything around you.

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jun 11, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Listening to fans like this on NY sports radio...

is how I came to

A. Stop listening to NY sports radio
B. Hate every team in every sport from NY. Even if it’s in a sport I have absolutely no interest in, I will root against the NY team. Before, I only hated the Yankees, now it’s Jets, Giants, Rangers, etc…and I’ve never watched a hockey game and rarely watch football.

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Jun 11, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

First off, I don't live in 'your city'

Second, NY City is actually an awesome place. I just don’t like the false sense of entitlement it gives some of it’s inhabitants.

and seriously, man? I have yet to use language like that in any of my replies to you. Believe it or not, I still do respect you, just not your opinion.

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Jun 11, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

well I take it back then

But OsFan21 been goint at me all day, so I take back my comment from you but OsFan21 and Knuble and Bits can go to hell for all I care

by The Last Shall Become First on Jun 11, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been "goint" at you all day????

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

what did you expect?

you came here and started talking shit about our team, did you really expect people to be nice about it?

by kba26 on Jun 11, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

You guys talk shit all the time about the Yankees

And is something cannot take from a bottom-of-the-barrel team like the Os. If you would give us some respect, maybe I would have gave the Os some.

But its always the same old thing, “the Yankees buy player, they have a higher payroll, their fans are douchebags, I hate New York and everybody in it”. You see it’s not about payroll, it’s about talent, the 2003 Florida Marlins prove that

by The Last Shall Become First on Jun 11, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right

we actually came over and started this at Pinstripe Alley and that’s what led you to come over here and continue it. Oh wait…no…we didn’t and you’re just a fucking moron who’s shocked that people got pissed when you came over and showed everybody that you’re a fucking moron.

I’m sorry – the fact that another team won a WS proves that the yankees have a gigantic advantage by having the highest payroll every single year? Please enlighten us, won’t you?

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

This post is the most disillusioned of them all

Um, this season, the Yankees are a great team and the Orioles are not. No one is debating that here. Why do you crave respect from what you have dubbed a “bottom of the barrel” team? Who gives a fuck what Orioles fans think? You have to earn respect, dude. You can’t come to the blog of a rival team and expect everyone to wash your feet just because you’re a fan of the most storied storiedness in the history of stories.

by PhilR8 on Jun 11, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good one!

I’m starting to feel like I’m dealing with a 12 year old here.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clearly.

But at least we can go to hell.

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jun 11, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let me break it down for you

The top is so much better than the bottom, so much better

by The Last Shall Become First on Jun 11, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh that explains it.

You are actually on the team. Here we were all along thinking that you were just an arrogant fan. Shame on us.

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jun 11, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was the missing piece!

That prevented them from winning a title from from 2000 to 2010 despite having the highest payroll every single year – many years by a gigantic margin.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

err 2009

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man the Os would love to be like the Yankees for a year

Shit is all good, you guys would love to have our 2008 season for God’s sake

by The Last Shall Become First on Jun 11, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll reserve the next reply for you to get the last word.

It’s clearly of maximum importance to you.

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jun 11, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would actually be more than welcome.

We enjoy toying with those that are less intelligent. Especially when they don’t understand.

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jun 11, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

It makes me feel GRRRRRRREAT about myself.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks O'sFan21

I’m looking forward to you and I working together for the rest of the season to make this place the most entertaining sports site of all time

by The Last Shall Become First on Jun 11, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately,

I don’t see Stacey putting up with this. I sure hope I’m wrong though.

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jun 11, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't believe he's still here

everyone with banning power must be busy

by kba26 on Jun 11, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea I would think so.

Duck was around not too long ago. Haven’t seen anyone in a bit though.

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jun 11, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't you people take a joke

Where is your sense of humor. You don’t think I meant everything I said do you?

by The Last Shall Become First on Jun 11, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go perform your comedy routine at Pinstripe Alley.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW

Jokes tend to be funny

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 11, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course we don't think you meant it.

We know you meant it. That’s why you came here.

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jun 11, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please Knubles and Bits

Have some fun. Isn’t baseball supposed to be fun?

by The Last Shall Become First on Jun 11, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

yet another random unrelated comment

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I take everything I wrote back

My opinion has really changed about the Os, this site and the people here. My eyes are open Baltimore Orioles fans are just as passionate as Yankees and Red Sox fans are. It just would not be the AL East without the Os

by The Last Shall Become First on Jun 11, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sarcasm or not,

We don’t care about your opinion.

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jun 11, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey now...

It seems sincere. CAN’T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!

:-)

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Jun 11, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Preach it, brother!

Testify! Go forth and spreeaaad the word!!!!!

by PhilR8 on Jun 11, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude, i suggest you read my post above

I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.

by birdman on Jun 11, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am having fun.

I just said that I hope you don’t get banned. We would love to have someone around to make fun of.

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jun 11, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congratulations

You’re a douche who thinks he knows what he’s talking about.
If you’ve got nothing good to say, I suggest not bothering.

"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.

by LenaO on Jun 11, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

No No No

I do know that Os are a really bad team, don’t you agree

by The Last Shall Become First on Jun 11, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The orioles that have existed since 1894!!

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please go to Wikipedia

They say it started in 1894 and I believe everything they say

by The Last Shall Become First on Jun 11, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol reading comprehension is not a strong suite I see.

They were A MINOR LEAGUE TEAM before 1900 you stupid fuck. hahahahahahaha Try baseball reference once in a while. You might learn something.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah you're right.

Just carry on with your ignorance and not reading the links that you reference.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's definitely much less interesting

now that he’s abandoned trying to have a substantive debate about baseball and the yankees and the orioles. That was much more entertaining since he knew so little.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we’re brothers, then I must have been adopted.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 11, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

By his logic Baltimore has won all of those championships.

New York Yankees (8760-6405 W-L, 1913 – 2010) – 27 World Championships, 40 Pennants, and 48 Playoff Appearances
New York Highlanders (734-759 W-L, 1903 – 1912)
Baltimore Orioles (118-153 W-L, 1901, 1902)
Overall (9612-7317 W-L, 1901 – 2010) – 27 World Championships, 40 Pennants, and 48 Playoff Appearances

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jun 11, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s news to all of us. Thanks for pointing it out.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 11, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are very welcome BirdFanInPhilly

We are like one big dysfunctional family, I’m really starting to love it here

by The Last Shall Become First on Jun 11, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're obviously trying to be funny... or something...

but really you’re just quite obnoxious. :/

"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.

by LenaO on Jun 11, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know y'all were having fun with that dude

But he’s gone now.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 11, 2010 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry it took me so long

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 11, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad, thank you.

"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.

by LenaO on Jun 11, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

good

I have a long pain in the ass email that I have to write for work and I never would have gotten it done if he were still around.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 11, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah so he was purposively trolling.

glad the ban hammer got laid on him.

I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.

by birdman on Jun 11, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was pretty obvious

some of his comments made me wonder if he was even a yankee fan and not just a really obnoxious internet troll pretending to be one.

by kba26 on Jun 11, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

he made a lot of rational comments

they were just interspersed with trollish stuff.

I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.

by birdman on Jun 11, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

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