Wednesday Bird Droppings
by duck on Jun 16, 2010 7:01 AM EDT
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PrintRecaps of last night's win can be found at orioles.com, MASNsports.com, The Sun, and SFGate.
Orioles Insider: O's laud Arrieta
Outfielder Nick Markakis: "Jake pitched his butt off. He got the ball, got back on the mound, he located his pitches. When you do that with a three or four-run lead, you’re going to do good things. Anytime anybody comes up and pitches the way he’s pitching, it’s a very good sign. You know, it’s only two starts. Hopefully he builds on that and continues to do what he’s doing." Nick, you ALMOST made it through without saying "you know." I know you can do it! -duck
Tillman won't make next start for Orioles | orioles.com: News
Chris Tillman will be skipped next time through the rotation, and he and Brad Bergesen will be considered for the June 26 start against the Nationals. -duck
Roberts could return in four to six weeks | orioles.com: News
"Orioles interim manager Juan Samuel said he spoke to Brian Roberts on Tuesday afternoon and the injured second baseman's timetable for return is four to six weeks." Just like we will be in Iraq for just another six months for the last four years. -duck
Aubrey Huff empathizes with Baltimore Orioles, emphasizes patience with young players - baltimoresun.com
"I knew if I didn't produce this year, it's conceivable that it could be it for me. I want that one playoff series. I want that one World Series and I could be happy for the rest of my life. I don't need five. I'd be perfectly happy with one." It's hard not to root for the guy, especially with him in the National League now. But screw it, I'm a Dodgers fan, too, so he better only get a wild card if he's in the playoffs. -duck
Closing Time: Sympathy for the Orioles (and Jake Arrieta, and Corey Patterson) - Roto Arcade
The fantasy guys at Yahoo! try and find bright spots on the Orioles roster. -duck
Lugo epitomizes Orioles' season - SweetSpot Blog - ESPN
"What I can tell you is that since World War II, only seven players have gone through an entire season with zero extra-base hits in more than 100 at-bats. And that one of them -- if he doesn't hook on with another team -- will be Mark Grudzielanek, who went XBH-less in 110 at-bats before the Indians released him. And while Lugo will almost certainly disqualify him from this list eventually, he does sort of epitomize the Orioles' disastrous season." -duck
Z on TV: Ken Burns, Cal Ripken: An extra 'inning' win on PBS
"The Tenth Inning", the last production from Ken Burns, will focus on Cal Ripken in this four-hour addition to the 1994 work "Baseball." -duck
IN THE MINORS
Orioles Insider: Minor league game recaps - June 15
Norfolk lost, Bowie lost, Frederick lost, and Delmarva won. The Sun adds "[Kieron] Pope is batting .361 with three home runs and 18 RBIs in 21 games since joining Delmarva." -duck
Minor league notes - MASNsports.com
Cla Meredith is struggling, Jim Hoey hasn't given up a run since May 9, Bob McCrory pitched in a game for the first time since September 21, Brett Jacobsen has a 1.17 ERA since May 1, and Josh Dowdy is 10-for-10 in saves for Delmarva. -duck
Feel good story: Orioles draft Cody Young | The Star Press
"It was pretty surreal," said the Delta graduate, roughly 12 years after beating cancer. "This isn't something, with everything I've been through, not even getting recruited out of high school and not being, I guess, a highly touted player, this isn't something I expected. It was pretty surreal when I heard my name." Hat tip to Orioles Insider for finding this story. -duck
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Alright, alright, alright!
You know what the best thing is about the Tillman demotion to the bullpen? Now I get to see Arrieta pitch when I go to Sunday’s game in San Diego. I never thought I’d say this, but thank you Juan Samuel.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
You know what the worst thing is?
Now I don’t believe Arrieta is on turn to pitch when I come down for the game against the Nats on the 27th. Fuck.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I'm going to miss him by one day when I go to the game on the 24th
It kind of makes me want to go to the 25th as well now.
If the Nationals hadn’t been all weird about Straburg’s schedule, the Friday night game WOULD have been Strasburg vs. Arrieta.
Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
When there were rumors about Stras coming up on the 4th...
I projected it out and the 27th was set to be Stras vs. Tillman. Now i’m going to end up probably seeing some shlub on the Nats beat the O’s (and with my luck, Millwood).
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
nah looks like you'll get Matusz
If things stay the same, I’ll see Millwood on the 24th, then Jake on the 25th, Guts on the 26th, and Matusz on the 27th.
Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
oh wait
that’s wrong.
Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
mystery starter on the 26th
Guts on the 27th.
Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
Great.
I’m driving down to MD that weekend to go to the game on the 26th with my dad. We’ll get to see a mystery starter… which I guess means Tillman (eh), Bergesen (ehh), or somebody else (Hendo? Some random AAA guy? Oh dear.). Maybe Pie will be back by then… that would be nice, but I’m not betting on it.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Oh thank god
I was afraid i’d see Arrieta. I really wanted to see Guthrie…
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Guts on the 27th?
Not my first choice, or my second choice.
"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 16, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey! I'll be at that game.
"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 16, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Fascinating tidbit of the day...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_lightning_strikes_jesus_statue
And that was a nice win last night. I actually stayed up to watch it.
I'm back. YAY SUMMER!
Matt told you all not to worship false idols...
maybe that’s why he’s batting sub .240
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I disagree with moving Tillman to the pen
actually, I think it would be a fine place for him – breaking in long relief and getting his shoes under him, just like the old days. He’s obviously mastered the AAA level but lacks polish to succeed in the majors (I will willingly blind myself to any deficiencies and fears I have in his fastball – I can’t wrap my brain around a top 20 prospect with that kind of fastball). But then I hear that the next start they need to make, they’ll decide between Tillman and Bergesen. Uh, guys? What the fuck is that?
Fire Garret Atkins.
I'm confused
Do you agree with moving him to the pen or disagree with moving him to the pen?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I think he's saying
that he thinks if you’re going to move him to the pen, move him to the pen. Don’t just stick him out there and bring him back right away. Give him time to figure stuff out.
Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
yeah that
I disagree with all this shuffling. It reeks of “I have no idea what I’m doing….will THIS work? No? Then about how THIS?”
Sorry to be unclear.
Fire Garret Atkins.
I agree that shuffling them back and forth between bullpen and starter is stupid, but on the other hand does anybody know what they’re doing when a HUGE prospect is absolutely dominating AAA but can’t do shit at the majors?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
The thing is
I can’t speak about this. I haven’t seen Tillman throw in the minors. I don’t know if this is some different guy who pitches completely differently against the Giants and the Yankees, but turns into U-Ball when he’s in Norfolk. I don’t know, and so I can’t speak.
But the Orioles should know, and I’m not sure what it appears that they know (or don’t know). Which is kind of true about a ton of things, unfortunately.
Fire Garret Atkins.
I guess
but even if they did “know” is there anything to be done about it? When a prospect is floundering what else do you do but try some shit and see what works? There’s no established recipe for success when a prospect is sucking shit that I’m aware of. Last year they tried just running him out there every 5th day and that sucked. This year they let him get a bunch of starts at AAA and that’s apparently not done anything. Now they’ll see if the bullpen helps him get it together. I’d prefer not to see either of Bergesen or Tillman make that start, but I don’t know that it’s necessarily any worse than anything else they’re trying.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
well, they could move him to the bullpen
which they are doing. But when June 26th rolls around in ten days, what will either Tillman or Bergesen have gained to be able to confidently say “This guy is the starter”? It’s like when 3E was demoted after being absolutely terrible, made one good start, and then was brought back, having solved all of his problems. Except he still sucked.
Fire Garret Atkins.
Oh I agree.
But I’m not sure 2 months as a reliever will do much except make it so they are no longer conditioned to be a starter. Then they’ll have to go down to the minors and build up arm strength again before they can start.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I can't really argue, but still...
From Britt:
Yankees ace CC Sabathia just picked up the win against the Phillies in a World Series rematch. When asked about beating someone not named the Orioles this is what he said: “I’ve beat them four times this year. It feels good to get a win against a good team.”
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
First off CC,
you’re a giant douchebag. Second, I wouldn’t really say Philly is a “good team” right now. They are a 3rd place team that is 2 games over .500 in the NL. Don’t get too excited fat man.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Hey
I don’t even like big macs.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
haha
really? I stopped eating red meat, but I used to think they were awesome.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I've never really liked them either.
Prefer just a regular double cheeseburger.
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by Knubles and Bits on Jun 16, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I love red meat
but I hate onions. Can do without the special sauce as well.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
the onions and special sauce are the only reason to get a big mac
special sauce basically being thousand island dressing, which goes great on a burger. Big Mac’s problems are the two tiny patties and the extra bread. Too much bread!
McDonald’s is pretty low on the list of great burgers, even with their angus offerings. I always preferred the Whopper or the Wendy’s single to any McDonald’s burger (except maybe that Batman Forever burger). But now that there’s a Five Guys on every corner, I don’t really see myself going to McDonald’s anytime soon. Not that I eat fast food regularly, but once or twice a month I’ll indulge and it’s usually at BK or Five Guys.
some friends of mine
are in Germany right now on a Study Abroad program, and the first week they were there they went to a McDonald’s and then got all offended when I was like “What the fuck guys? Go eat some German food! It’s goddamned delicious!”
Fire Garret Atkins.
but but but
they have BEER at McDonald’s’s’s in Germany!!!! THat’s so novel and an experience we can’t duplicate at home! Plus we wanted to get that Royale with cheese!
Not only
are the Phils a 3rd place team (in a shittier league), but they just went through one of the worst offensive stretches in the history of modern baseball. Act like you know what’s going on in the league before you lift up your gut to stroke yourself.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I'm super bored today
So I’m looking up the all fat team, and I thought you might be interested to know that according to BR, Prince Fielder is the only active player >250 pounds while being <6’2" (he’s 5’11", “270”)
Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
He's listed as heaviest in the AL
at 6’6", 290.
In the NL, Jonathan Broxton is the heaviest at 6’4", 295.
Heaviest position player is Adam Dunn, 6’6" 285.
I’m trying to take height into consideration, though. Like Jeff Neimann is listed as 260 but he’s 6’9" so he probably won’t make the All Fat Starting Rotation.
Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
Wow
Sabathia is much fatter looking than Broxton even though he’s got 2 inches on him. I guess he’s just sloppier looking.
Agree with your height assessment.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I don't know
Broxton brings the beef. he’s also got a tiny head in proportion to his chunkiness.
by Dingbat Charlie on Jun 16, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Apropos the subject...
An oldie, but goody from The Onion
by PBR me ASAP! on Jun 16, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
the one from kentucky looks like a child molester
Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
My grandmother was born in Spain
to my knowledge none of my relatives have been born in Kentucky.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
My mother was born in Austria
to my knowledge none of my relatives have been born in Kentucky.
Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
Callis would take Rendon over Harper
Rice third baseman Anthony Rendon is the best college bat for 2011, and he’s the current frontrunner to go No. 1 overall in a draft that’s considerably deeper than the 2010 crop. I’d take him over Bryce Harper. While Rendon doesn’t have Harper’s off-the-charts raw power, he has plenty of pop, is a better hitter, will play a more valuable defensive position, has proven himself against better competition and has better makeup.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/ask-ba/2010/2610191.html
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 16, 2010 12:34 PM EDT reply actions
Cool
Of course, I don’t think it is a coincidence that we’re hearing this stuff now, rather than before the 2010 draft.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
There were plenty of rumblings that Harper was a bit of a spoiled brat
Not sure that’s really news.
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
Oh sure
I just mean that Harper has been drafted, and so it is time for the hype machine to move on to someone else, who will of course be considered better than Harper, even though just a few weeks ago, people were talking about how Harper might be one of the best draft prospects ever.
That said, a few weeks ago, Harper was a catcher. Now he’s a right fielder.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I think Callis tweeted something like this a few weeks ago
Am I crazy for prefering rendon over Harper? Just saw him and he has the quickest hands I’ve seen.
It was something like that, so at least Callis isn’t changing his tune. Also like you said, Harper in rf isn’t as tantilizing
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 16, 2010 1:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I guess I need to use Twitter more
I understand a lot more people preferring Rendon to Harper than I do people thinking he has more potential; Harper has two 80 tools, and Rendon just doesn’t. But Rendon is far more polished, a much harder worker, and has a much higher floor than Harper.
Should be interesting to see how he does for Team USA this summer with wood. I expect that we won’t see Cole pitch this summer with UCLA in the CWS, and we may not see Purke, Jungmann or Gray in summer ball either.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Harpers potential is insane
I hate that he is being moved to rf because it limits his value. Personally I would take rendon because of the higher floor, you can afford to miss on a player that big and rendon has a plenty high ceiling. Also rendon could impact a team quickly like longoria did, and that is too tempting to pass up. Although with less home runs being hit in baseball, harpers power is that much more valuable
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 16, 2010 2:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That power is much less valuable
if it turns out that he can’t hit major league pitching.
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by Knubles and Bits on Jun 16, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously
You could say that about anybody. But he tore up juco pitching at age 17, that is impressive.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 16, 2010 2:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't really care
Harper isn’t an Oriole; as far as I’m concerned, they can play him wherever. Although Harper’s eagerness to move is a bit of a turnoff – I’d like him better if he had the same commitment to catching that Wieters does.
I’m no good at the “who would I like more” game; I always end up wanting everyone. I enjoy watching Rendon play more, since he’s more the type of player I covet. But for me, there are usually only a handful of guys in the top 50 who I don’t want.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
It's a stupid exercise anyway
since it’s not like we could choose one or t’other (or anybody else could). We won’t definitely know who is a better major leaguer for ten years anyway (at least). Harper will most likely never be an Oriole. Rendon will 96% be an Oriole (or someone better will be). What difference does it make which one is better?
Fire Garret Atkins.
not to be an ass but
theoretically if Harper doesn’t sign we may be able to choose
But you are right, its a mostly silly exercise but I enjoy it because comparing players is a good way to get a feel for just how good they are and how much is hype. For example, if people think Harper vs. Rendon is close, then neither is a once-in-a-generation talent, but both can still be legitimate “#1” picks
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 16, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
theoretically if Harper doesn’t sign we may be able to choose
Apparently, the CBA is up soon. If it looks like that a slotting system will be implemented, I’m sure Boras will get Harper signed now. if not, then I think Harper not signing is a real possibility.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
thats why its theoretically
he’s going to sign, no doubt about it in my mind
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 16, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't really even like top 10 lists...
…I have no idea of how to rank one B+ prospect against another B+ prospect beyond gut feeling. At some level, the gradations of good are too minor to be interesting to me.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I care as a baseball fan
These day’s i’m becoming more of a baseball fan than simply an orioles fan, being an o’s fan is just too depressing. Seeing a catcher with 50 HR/season potential would be quite interesting.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 16, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That's funny
I’m having the opposite experience. Maybe it is because I’m doing more writing here, but I find myself tunneling in on the O’s and less and less aware of even what is happening in the rest of the league. I only have so much room for attention, and following the minors, 300 or so draft prospects, and the Orioles has basically sucked mine up.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I hate that phrase
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 16, 2010 2:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
plus he's probably less of a douche
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jun 17, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad Pope is doing well, but..
Yet another O’s prospect with zero plate discipline. 7 bb/26 k’s in 93 PA. 21/139 in 383 PA in 2008.
That’s fine at the Sally league but mlb pitchers will carve him up like a turkey.
by Dingbat Charlie on Jun 16, 2010 12:49 PM EDT reply actions
I don't know that he's really a prospect
It took him three years to get past the Appy league.
He’s a nice story, but I wouldn’t get excited and start thinking that he’s going to even make it to Norfolk, much less Baltimore.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Yea fuck that asshole.
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by Knubles and Bits on Jun 16, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Another fine move by the 'Skins FO pays its dividends!
Vinny Cerrato, the gift that keeps on giving. Like syphilis.
seriously
fucking go to hell haynesworth. what a selfish piece of shit.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Jun 17, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy shit that was fucking awesome.
I’d love to have seen that from Samuel after that BS no homerun call and that blown call at second the other night.
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by Knubles and Bits on Jun 16, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Quote of the day.
This is precisley why I didn’t want to waste God’s time praying for that girl who was lost at sea. Because he’s too busy making youtubes like this.
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by Knubles and Bits on Jun 16, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions
reply fail.
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by Knubles and Bits on Jun 16, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh
This guy I work with is the biggest weirdo ever. I can’t really explain him, but one thing he does is, if he’s telling you something, he always asks, “Does that make sense?” or “Do you understand?” I can’t tell if that’s just something he always says, the way some people say, “you know,”, or if he actually thinks I’m too dumb to understand him. Either way I want to punch him out.
Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
the way some people say, "you know,"
I see what you did there.
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by Knubles and Bits on Jun 16, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions
Dammit two reply fails in a row.
FML.
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by Knubles and Bits on Jun 16, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking for a silver lining
With Lincecum due to pitch soon, I took a look at the Keys’ web site to see how Billy Rowell was doing lately. I am sorry to say that he has reverted to his customary .240 average and 5 HRs. What a shame.
Schmuck bringing the pessimism:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bs-sp-schmuck-orioles0616-20100615,0,2931863.column
Buck
ESPN reporting Buck will interview with the O’s. I don’t know about Buck. He didn’t mesh very well with the young players in TX if I remember correctly.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
He's kind of a hardass though right?
That could be good for these jokers. I don’t really know about him either though.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
these jokers need something!
you know…other than better jokers playing instead of them…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Conor Jackson was just traded
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5288929
I wouldn’t have minded to see us trade for him and release Atkins. He was hurt last year and has been struggling this year but he had 3 years of a good OBP with a little pop when he was healthy. Plus he doesn’t have beaver teeth
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
I like Jackson
But Sam Demel is not worthless, and I’m not really seeing the value for a team in our position dealing genuine young talent for guys under team control for a season and a half who aren’t a sure thing to contribute at a high level. I wouldn’t trade Luis Lebron (if healthy) or Brandon Cooney for Jackson.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
How's Lebron doing, by the way?
I can’t remember; was he shut down for the season / having surgery?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Ick.
Guess we’ll see how that goes.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I just saw that they traded a bullpen arm for him, didn't look to see how good of one
Although i would have traded Lebron or Cooney for him. Only if i thought that Jackson’s struggles were injury related. Seems like a reasonable price to pay because we’ll probably have to sign a stop gap anyways, and i’m tired of the debacle at 1B.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 16, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
He had Valley Fever
It is such a singular case that I don’t know if anyone can predict how he will recover long term.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
didn't know that
for some reason i thought it was a shoulder issue
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 16, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Apologies if this was already posted
Some MFY ridicule for you in these dark times: The Yankees had a mascot for three seasons? Who knew?
tee hee
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