Wednesday Bird Droppings
by Stacey on Jun 2, 2010 7:02 AM EDT
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Recaps of the last night's 3-1 loss to the Yankees can be found in the Baltimore Sun, the New York Times, and at orioles.com.
Orioles, let Trembley down gently - baltimoresun.com
Peter Schmuck begs the Orioles to put DaveTrembley out of his misery. -Stacey
Britt's Bird Watch: Gonzo to return mid-June
Britt Ghiroli spoke with Mike Gonzalez on the phone on Monday. He's pain free and should throw again later this week. "The timetable for his return is June 14, although it could be the series after the Os return from the West Coast." -zk
Orioles a Failure on Many Fronts -- MLB FanHouse
Your daily dose of depression. -Stacey
Injunction sought on Orioles ballpark renovation | HeraldTribune.com
Demo on the park was supposed to start this week, and two citizens groups are still trying to hold it up. -zk
Orioles Insider: Roberts, Pie updates
Brian will play in a game this Friday and it sounds like he's doing well. Felix, not so much. -Stacey
Top Ten Yankee Killers - Oriole Hitters
Dempsey's Army takes a look at the Orioles with success against their current series opponent. A couple of them are even on the team this year. -Stacey
Orioles Insider: Scouts talk about Nick Markakis
Orioles Insider continues its series with scouts, this time focusing on Nicky. Spoiler: they all love him. -Stacey
Orioles Insider: Scouts talk Nolan Reimold
He really just needs to get healthy, according to the experts. -Stacey
Oswalt won't face further discipline | MLB.com: News
They suspend players all the time; here's a case where they should clearly suspend the umpire. Home plate ump Bill Hohn threw a hissy in Monday's Houston-Nats game, and tossed Oswalt unnecessarily. -zk
Meanwhile, down on the farm....
Shorebirds Fall On The Road To Greensboro - WBOC-TV
The Shorebirds lost 8-4 to the Grasshoppers as Bobby Bundy gave up 5 runs in six innings.
Pelicans' Teheran blisters Keys - The Frederick News-Post Online
The Keys couldn't solve Julio Teheran, the top prospect in the Braves system. He shut the Keys out through 8 innings, striking out 14. They mounted a rally in the 9th but it wasn't enough, as they lost 4-3.
B-Mets can't stop Baysox surge | Press & Sun-Bulletin
Caleb Joseph hit a 2 run HR and scored twice in support of Steve Johnson, who pitched six innings with 8 strikeouts. The Baysox won 7-2.
Run in ninth lifts Tides over Rochester 4-3 | PilotOnline.com
Newly promoted Matt Angle singled in the winning run in the 9th inning and old hand Dennis Sarfate earned the save.
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It's no coincidence...
That terrible and Terry share so many letters. I’m really surprised he doesn’t spell it Terri tbh. This joker needs to go. When every single expert/analyst/website asks what’s wrong with a TEAM’s batters, the problem isn’t the players so much.
by GeoffreyA on Jun 2, 2010 7:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Man, that ump confrontation is terrible
Seems to me that it is NEVER an umpire’s job to actually go start the fight like Hohn did. More and more of that kinda crap is happening, too, with guys like Joe West and CB Bucknor on the job. Some umps need to get fired. Well, at least those 3. And Bob Davidson.
"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008
Adam Jones is the tits.
And Angel Hernandez
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
Yea
But they are there when I enter a thread
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
A few things:
When Gonzo comes back I say we make him the setup guy. It will show him there is still some level of confidence that he’s a good pitcher while not actually giving him the pressure of being the closer. It’ll also keep him from pitching quite a bit because we usually don’t need a bridge to the closer (seeing as we rarely are in games by the 8th anyway. It will also keep Ohman from pitching every day again, as he most likely would if removed from the closer’s role.
Also, my head knows it probably won’t change much, but my heart can’t wait until B-Rob and Pie get back. I have this feeling in my chest that everything will get better when they are here again. Again, it most likely won’t change much at all, but I guess I need to look forward to something and have SOME hope this season may still have a little enjoyment left in it.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
money spent wisely
cash on the bench and cash as a setup. thats a super-duper job spending money this past off season!!
I agree – not that the returns will lead to a wild card but, but I think it will provide some competitiveness. maybe. ok who am i kidding.
maybe not competitiveness
but if BRob’s healthy I do think it’s a different lineup – slightly more respectable. Plus no more B2B!
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Definately
If Markakis can hit with someone on base for a change, it makes things more respectable.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 2, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Trembley
If I were AM, I would leave DT in charge through the end of the season, when his contract expires. I would then conduct a search for a new manager. I fail to see what positive result is accomplished by firing DT, other than ending the excessive lefty-righty match-ups. We will finish in last with him and in last without him. So, what are we trying to accomplish other than end the speculation as to whether DT will be fired?
Provide a jolt.
Maybe get some of what the Rockies got.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
better cultivation of our young assets during this season.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Firing crowley would have a better outcome IMO
by GeoffreyA on Jun 2, 2010 11:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
who says we have to choose? I'd be all for a clean sweep
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I'd keep Kranitz.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
c'mon.
he knows all the kids coming up, and the starting pitching staff has stellar. why wouldn’t you keep him?
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I don't know.
Any reason to think that the starting pitching has been stellar despite him? The relief pitching has been pretty god awful and you’d think the pitching coach might be able to exert some influence in how relievers are used and when starters are taken out of games.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
you’d think the pitching coach might be able to exert some influence in how relievers are used and when starters are taken out of games
Ha! Good point. But for all we know, he’s actually kept Dave from doing his stupid matchups more often than we’ve already seen.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
True.
I definitely don’t have that much of a problem with him, but I also wouldn’t have a problem with a clean sweep.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
well
if he worked with matusz on his mechanical problem – it seemed to work.
Crow on the other hand hasn’t been able to solve anything.
stellar?
The O’s starting pitching is below AL average in ERA, WHIP, SLG, OBA, K/BB (barely), etc. Milwood and Guthrie have been better than expected, but stellar is not the first thing that pops to mind when talking about Oriles SP.
by drj on Jun 2, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm comparing it to its past performance
Look at O’s ERAs for the past few years, and it has been abysmal. We have to be at least a point lower this year. Guthrie has returned to form, Millwood has been better than advertised (both have WHIPs much better than league average), and Matusz has been pretty terrific except for one bad stretch.
I’m not going to begin to compare them to the arsenal of former Cy Young winners the Red Sox and Yankees have tipped the league balance with—that’s ridiculous.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
yes, well, you can't really do that without firing trembley
I would hope that’s part of the reason trembley goes.
When trembley was re-hired (after being an interim manager), he got to choose his staff. He is the one who decided to retain Crow.
You can’t really fire Crow out from under him. It just undermines him. So hopefully the idea is to fire him AND clean some house, because an interim manager has to take whomever you give him. It’ll give us a chance to see what a real hitting coach would do.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
and then they can trade for Jason Varitek mid-season
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
If DT wasn't playing guys hurt...
…and helping prolong the struggles of our young talent, I’d agree.
I don’t know. I don’t assume that I know half of what is going on, but it kills me that the Orioles don’t seem to have had a plan in case they needed to replace DT.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
i just hope the plan (if any) is not
lets wait till B-Rob, Pie, and Moldy are back healthy to see how the team does with DT in charge.
Well, that's something else
But certainly, the idea going into the season was that he’d have a short leash, and yet they seem caught flat-footed by the idea that he needs replacing.
Forethought is free. Catching up to current events costs.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
to put it another way...
…we’ll never know whether things will improve or not until we fire him. But it seems clear that they will not improve with him on board.
This team has taken steps backwards in nearly every facet of the game for quite some time now. DT has presided over this regression. It’s a damning state of affairs. Irrespective of the roster makeup, it can’t be denied that AS A TEAM, the Orioles are terrible at baseball fundamentals, and seem to be getting worse.
Firing DT may or may not solve it. Not firing DT certainly won’t.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Put another way
If DT isn’t coming back next season, which is obvious, then why are we bothering to keep running him out there?
Everyone knows he’s not coming back. What makes that situation good for our team?
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I was just looking at the schedules
How on earth did the Blue Jays get through the first two months of the season without playing the Yankees?
Yankees probably didn't want to go to Canada or play the Canadian national anthem until after Memorial Day.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I was thinking the schedule makers wanted to give the Yanks a few easy wins down the stretch myself
Of course if that were the case they wouldn’t have played the Orioles yet either.
Interesting. The Jays had an easy April/May schedule last year too.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
And what happened then?
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
same thing that is happening now.
and they started out strong with a shitty rotation unlike this year.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
Looking at comments on other blogs makes me appreciate CC more.
Some dude who responded to that post about the scouts talking Markakis noted that the scouts said Markakis doesn’t get pitches to hit because everyone around him sucks. Then the poster said that if only Garrett Atkins was hitting higher in the lineup to have more protection, he’d be doing a lot better.
No, guy, I’m pretty sure Garrett Atkins just sucks.
I'm ready for a straight jacket. - Joe Angel, 4/17/10 (O's record: 1-11)
by Eat More Esskay on Jun 2, 2010 11:28 AM EDT reply actions
No i think you're wrong
Garrett Atkins is a first basemen, thus he should bat cleanup. Not only that but he’s a proven run producer and averaged around 100 RBI a year from 2005-2008. Also, Adam Jones should bat #2 behind Patterson because they are really fast.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 2, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
And Garrett Atkins is our designated veteran
whose job it is to be the veteran on the roster.
When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey
It doesnt matter if you play first base to be cleanup. To be a cleanup hitter you need to be conistent which as the majority of CC agrees i think Garret Atkins isnt (actually he is, he consistently sucks).
If Jones was hitting better sure put him at number 2 but right now he is struggling again. We made a terrible mistake i think in signing Atkins and Tejada we could have done better by signing Joe Crede and Hank Balock who was available long after we signed Atkins.
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Jun 2, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
pssssst.
he was being sarcastic.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Yes i know but i have heard it from other people too, who werent being sarcastic at all.
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Jun 2, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
I tried to add as much absurd stuff about him in one post, but i totally forgot about him being our designated veteran. That was a good catch by duck.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 2, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes i knew that you were being sarcastic i was putting it on their for other people who i have talked to who are actually serious bout that.
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
fair enough
While i think you should demand better offense from your 1B in general since its an easier position and thus replacement level players are better. This should probably lead to more 1B being cleanup hitters by default but I agree, the idea of organizing a lineup based on where someone plays the field is beyond silly.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 2, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactley. I still think that we could have signed someone better then Atkins a better fielder and hitter.
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
I didn't think we should sign anyone
I didn’t really care about the Atkins signing then or now. I thought he wouldnt be good but it wont hurt us long term, well now i realize there may be long-term emotional damage done, but besides that we are done with him after the year. I never thought this team would contend for the playoffs so I never saw a point to free agents. I hold to that now
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 2, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking that we could have signed Crede or Balock instead of Tejada and Atkins for maybe bout the same length it wouldnt have mattered to our long term plans but it might have kept us consistent this year. Especially since our only consistent power hitter is Wiggintion who i really never expected to have this kind of year.
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
but it might have kept us consistent this year
or it might not have. particularly since hank blalock is sucking ass this year as well.
honestly, there were not good options at 1B this offseason. who cares which shitty player we take for a one-year deal?
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I actually looked around at the lineups and most teams have thier 1B at either 4 or 5.
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
Because its the lowest on the defensive spectrum
Meaning its the easiest position to play so the people who can hit but cant really field learn how to play 1B. So most 1B end up as good hitters and bat in the middle of the order.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 2, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes it is probably the easiest position to play but sometimes it can be one of the hardest. Especially when a hard hitting lefty pull hitter comes up.
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
It takes the least amount of tools
If you bobble the ball you can still make the play at first usually since you are so close, less balls get hit down the 1B line (probably) and you dont need a rocket arm. So for a professional baseball player, 1B should not be a problem.
The defensive spectrum i was referencing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_spectrum
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 2, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Just got this email, FYI
MLB Network to Air Washington Nationals Pitcher Stephen Strasburg’s MLB Debut On Tuesday, June 8
Strasburg, the Number-One Overall 2009 Draft Pick, Will Make His Pro Debut Almost One Year to the Day of Being Drafted
MLB Network’s Bob Costas, Jim Kaat and John Smoltz to Call the Game Live from Nationals Park at 7:00 p.m. ET
Secaucus, N.J., June 2, 2010 – MLB Network will air Washington Nationals pitcher Stephen Strasburg’s Major League Baseball debut, one of the most anticipated in recent MLB history, on Tuesday, June 8 at 7:00 p.m. ET. MLB Network’s Bob Costas, Jim Kaat and John Smoltz will call the game against the Pittsburgh Pirates live from Nationals Park. Strasburg, the number-one overall selection in the 2009 First-Year Player Draft, had a rapid rise through the Nationals’ Minor League system in 2010, with his 100-mph fastball and a combined 6-2 record with a 1.43 ERA and 60 strikeouts in 50 1/3 innings for the Harrisburg Senators (Double-A) and Syracuse Chiefs (Triple-A). Strasburg’s MLB debut comes within one year of being drafted on June 9, 2009.
MLB Network’s Matt Vasgersian and Dan Plesac will offer pre- and postgame coverage on MLB Tonight starting at 6:00 p.m. ET. MLB Network’s game telecast will be blacked out in the Nationals’ and Pirates’ home television territory. Viewers in areas subject to blackouts will see the San Diego Padres at New York Mets at 7:00 p.m. ET. The remainder of MLB Network’s game schedule for June 8-12 will be announced shortly.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Good luck to him Nationals are going to make alot of money off this game.
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Jun 2, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
and the 2 other games you have to pay for to go to that game
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Damn How much did you have to pay?
Matt Wieters Was Drafted 5th Overall Because The First 4 Teams Thought That Harnessing The Power Of Ten-thousand Suns Was Playing God.
by 17oriolesfan on Jun 2, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
My dad's coming up to DC for work that day and decided to buy them.
They aren’t doing single game tickets for that game – you have to buy a 3 game pack and you get vouchers for a 4th game “free”.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
OH is that why I couldn't buy tickets online for the game?
I thought it was sold out. I really wanted to go.
Yeah - pretty sneaky of them.
The O’s should have done something like that with Wieters debut.
I sort of think that in a couple days they’ll release single game tickets, but maybe not if a lot of people buy the package.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
They did it with Opening Day last year to keep MFY fans out
To buy in advance you had to at least get a 6-game pack or something like that. It definitely worked in that case – of course that was Opening Day. I showed up on the day of figuring I could at least get SRO but even that was sold out. They ended up giving me a seat in the handicapped row.
The Strasburg debut probably has that kind of high leverage. Hell, even I was curious enough to see him to think about going – although not enough to buy four game tickets!
I'm ready for a straight jacket. - Joe Angel, 4/17/10 (O's record: 1-11)
by Eat More Esskay on Jun 2, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You should've been sneaky back
As one of the other 2 games, I got tix for the June 19th game (his second start, assuming they don’t shuffle the rotation due to their off day). I am hoping I will be able to sell them on StubHub for a jacked up price and profit on those tickets.
I also got tickets for the last day the Braves are in DC (bye bye Bobby Cox), and I figure I’ll try to use the vouchers on a Giants game if Lincecum pitches.
"This club is not a good club." --Jim Palmer
If he pitches every fifth game after that one, he'll start against the O's on the Friday the 25th.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Joy to the freaking world.
Everyone thought Baltimore was three easy wins and we got our ass kicked three times. - Dustin Pedroia, After the Red Sox got swept by the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 2, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Melewski interviewed Jim Callis of BA
Money quote:
With the Orioles offense struggling and the O’s minors stocked more with pitchers than hitters, I asked Callis if the O’s should take a college hitter with the third pick, even if one is not projected to go that high.
“Not at all. If you are picking three and you’re the leading contender to pick one the following year, you are there for a reason. It’s not because you are popular. It’s because your team stinks.
“You are not going to get any better by getting a guy to the big leagues quicker, you’ll get better by getting the best player you can possibly get. Andy MacPhail has been around a long time and Joe Jordan is a good scouting director. I don’t think they will fall prey to that. I don’t see how you can pass on one of the high school kids for any of the college players in this draft.”
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
That quote says a lot
1) you have to go BPA and he thinks AM and JJ will go that way
2) the top college players in the draft aren’t close to the top prep players this year
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 2, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
So,
I guess he’d stare at me dumbfounded if I asked him if he thought picking Colon was reasonable — not that I’m really advocating it.
I dunno, do a lot of these guys who focus on the draft just ignore the higher bust probability of high-schoolers? It seems like they all focus on ceiling, which is certainly more fun to talk about, but… if you win by getting the best player you can, isn’t getting a guy who will almost certainly make it to the big leagues as an above-average player better than getting a fantastic prospect who, more likely than not, will not reach his ceiling?
(I’m actually asking that question rather than making an assertion.)
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
The fantastic prospects make it to the big leagues as above-average players more often though
Even if you are comparing a fantastic prep pitcher to an above average college bat, i believe i’ve seen that the fantastic prospect still has the higher chance of getting close to his ceiling. In general a player with a higher ceiling has more room for error.
This article is interesting , although its nothing definite or exact:
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2009/05/the_mlb_draft_c.php
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 2, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Hm.
Okay, that’s an interesting study. Even if the grades he gives are a little arbitrary, the trend seems pretty clearly in favor of the high school players. I wouldn’t have expected that; thanks for the info. I guess that, thinking it through more, the “floor” for every player is to bust, so it’s not as though having a lower ceiling that you’re already closer to is necessarily much help.
Given that information, I guess the main reason to take a college player is to fill an upcoming hole (in a year or two) on a team you expect to contend?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
If i were drafting
I would never consider need at the big league level. You do get players like Longoria, Alvarez, Teixeira, Wieters, and Rendon next year who will be worthy of a top pick. You take a player like that when you can get one. I personally think this years crew of college hitters is going to be picked slightly before they should be for the most part. Picking a college player isn’t bad when the player is of similar talent to the prep players left but sacrificing talent to pick a college player usually isn’t as safe as you would think
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 2, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Makes sense.
I’ve never really paid attention to the draft before, and I don’t think I’m ever going to really follow it closely, but the info is helpful.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Heh
I thought the funny part was him saying how terrible we are.
I think it depends. But I will say this: the stars make a huge difference. Markakis is a very good player, for example. But we’re a different team with a Ryan Braun or Evan Longoria.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
In my dreams...
…we have Ryan Zimmerman at third and Tulo at short.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
When are they free-agents? ;)
Everyone thought Baltimore was three easy wins and we got our ass kicked three times. - Dustin Pedroia, After the Red Sox got swept by the Orioles.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 2, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
2014 with a club option for Tulo that would take him to 2015.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Mine have Longo and Hanley
but I guess I just prefer a Florida heavy aquatic-life based left side of the infield.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
I'm not saying they are better all around players
I just like them more (though Hanley is proving to be a bit of a jerk)
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Yeah I like Zimmerman
But Evan is my true third base love. Probably just because I see him more often, though.
I prefer Zimmerman for two reasons:
First, he’s from the DC area, which means he should be an O’s fan, not an Expos fan.
Second, he doesn’t play for the Devil Rays. Yeah, beat the Yankees and Red Sox, but you’re still the enemy.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Sure but Longoria has already proven he can play with the big boys
They are really pretty even across the board as far as skills go, both offensively and defensively, but Longoria has done it in the toughest division in the tougher league. I’m sure Zimmerman would be fine in the AL, but I KNOW Longoria is.
Not that it matters. We should have such problems.
Theres really only one way to decide this.
We get them both and they can take turn DHing. problem solved.
Longo's contract is also MUCH better than Zim's
I’ll take Longo over Zim in a heartbeat.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
Well, sure, if you take the contract into consideration...
…it becomes a no-brainer.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Him playing for the Rays should be all the more reason to want him
If we had him, they wouldn’t.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
It isn't any fun for me for the Rays to suck
I want them to be good, and for us to beat them anyways.
I want to be the best team in the hardest division in baseball. I enjoy the challenge.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
I enjoy the challenge too
I’d take winning in a shitty division over this crap though.
Oh, and 1 less great player on TB wouldn’t exacly make this the weakest division to have to fight through either.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
In mine...
we have Brooks and Cal.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I've said it before and I'll say it again: 2 outta 3 from the Yerks, with CC getting Mentored on Thursday
Today I’m doing Maui Wowie, kind of nice change o’ pace from the Central Asian Invasion I scored a half-baggie of last week from a guy in the neighborhood parks & rec crew. Maybe he’s an O’s fan. Or an O fan. I wonder what that stuff goes for back in Kazakhstan…
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Well I'll no longer be going to the game saturday night
Apparently my little brother cannot hold his drugs very well.
why does that prevent you from going to the game? did he blame it on you??
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Well i was supposed to go with my family, its the night before he graduates high school
Too much drama and my mom called it off
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