Tuesday Bird Droppings
by duck on Jun 22, 2010 9:25 AM EDT
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Baltimore Orioles' "cavalry" of young pitchers has struggled, but team expects improvement - baltimoresun.com
Brian Matusz: "This isn't easy. It's not just about having great stuff; it's getting used to being in the AL East and facing big league hitters every five days. It's not just going to all click right away. I still feel confident as I can be in these guys just because I know how much I've learned and how much better that I've gotten. You learn from failure, and failure is going to happen." Fair point. -zk
Orioles Insider: Was Bergesen good enough?
Nothing's been decided as to who will start Saturday's game for the Orioles. Looks like it's down to either Brad Bergesen or Chris Tillman. I vote for "none of the above." -duck
Orioles Insider: Injured O's and timelines - - baltimoresun.com
Among the updates is this sad truth: "Roberts has been shut down from any baseball activity for the time being. Samuel said in San Francisco that he had spoken to Roberts and estimated that he was four to six weeks away from a return. That means you are probably looking at August at the earliest. But there have been a lot of stops and starts in Roberts' situation, making this one difficult to predict as well." Yup, I think duck may have called it early when he said Bri-Bob would be out for the year. -zk
Baltimore Orioles are looking for an experienced manager - Jon Heyman - SI.com
Heyman is the latest to weigh in on the manager search, invoking names such as Bob Melvin and Tom Kelly. He also provides a list of all the potential vacancies coming in the offseason, which might be one reason MacPhail is trying to take care of this now. -zk
Young ballplayers learn from the pros at Orioles baseball camp
The O's are running a week long instructional camp for kids, with former Orioles such as Joe Orsulak participating. Adam Jones will also be making an appearance, perhaps to show the young'uns how to misjudge balls that have been hit over your head. -zk
AL East boasts three .600 beasts - USATODAY.com
"This marks the latest in a season that three teams in one division have been at .600 or better since Aug. 25, 1979, according to Elias Sports Bureau, when the Baltimore Orioles (81-43), Red Sox (76-50) and Milwaukee Brewers (78-52) were in the AL East." Ahhhhh, 1979. -zk
Baltimore Orioles still waiting on a home run from a first baseman - Big League Stew - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
It's the first day of summer, and the O's have yet to get a dinger from a 1B. In fact, overall, our 1Bs are OPSing .564 with a .219 batting average. Niiiiiice. -zk
IN THE MINORS
Orioles Insider: Minor league game recaps - June 21
Norfolk lost, Aberdeen lost, and the GCL Orioles lost. Bowie, Frederick and Delmarva had the night off. Bluefield starts its season tonight.
O's draftee gets College World Series save - MASNsports.com
"The Orioles third-round draft pick, right-hander Dan Klein, picked up a save in the College World Series on Monday night. He pitched a shutout ninth inning as his UCLA squad beat TCU, 6-3. It was his tenth save of the season as UCLA improved to 2-0 in the series." -duck
Minor Moves - MASNsports.com
Some roster moves happened. Here they are. Nothing earth-shattering. -duck
Townsend set to return to the diamond - MASNsports.com
Tyler Townsend has hurt his hamstring about, oh, 17 times this season. He's slated to play three games with the GCL Orioles then return to Delmarva. Here's hoping he makes it in one piece. -duck
Talent overflowing at Double-A Bowie | orioles.com: News
Drink deep of the Orange Flavor-Aid and tell yourself we will be good in a few years. Go ahead. -duck
Few hurdles left for Britton before joining O's | orioles.com: News
Zach Britton is working on a changeup and, in his words, "I'm learning how to pitch" rather than just throw. -duck
Reader Q & A: Submit Your Questions to Matt Hobgood
Jordan over at Orioles Prospects is soliciting questions for an interview with Matt Hobgood. Head on over, and feel free to ask any question you like, such as, "Why did the Orioles draft you when Mike Leake was still available?" -zk
Checking In With the Farm Clubs - High Minors
Since there's not much to like about the parent club, Dempsey's Army looks for good news from the teh kidz on the farm. -zk
Scoreboard | Norfolk Tides Scoreboard
At Norfolk last night (on three days' rest), 3E1N pitched 5 innings, giving up 2 earned runs on 5 hits and a walk. He had 4 Ks, and of his other 11 outs, 7 were ground balls. 85 pitches total. Let the debate resume about whether he should be promoted back to the majors—again—to start Saturday against the Nats. -zk
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hahah duck
perfect example of “you snooze, you lose”
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Thanks for throwing a thread up
This is the one day this week I didn’t have to have my kids at the Y by 9 am, so I took the opportunity to sleep in. Just went a little later than I planned….
"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis
Delmon Young has a stat line of
.306/.343/.502
He’s just 24, maybe the twins knew what they were doing when they traded Garza after all. Never doubt them twinkies man.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
Uh, what?
From Buster Olney’s daily ESPN column:
The concern among rival talent evaluators about the Orioles is that the constant losing is shaping the mindset of the team’s young players. For example, after the Orioles lost an early lead on Sunday in San Diego and wound up getting crushed 9-4, sources say that Baltimore center fielder Adam Jones directly lobbied for his first-inning bouncer to be changed from an error to a hit. The scoring on the play was changed, hours after the fact, and Jones got his hit, but for a player to make a direct appeal — especially in the aftermath of a one-sided lost — isn’t exactly conventional.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Sounds like horseshit. If not though it’s pretty absurd.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I'm skeptical.
I think someone pointed out yesterday that the official rules require it be changed to a hit; I looked it up.
Rule 10.12(a)(1) Comment: Slow handling of the ball that does not involve mechanical misplay shall not be construed as an error.
So I’m hoping that the “sources” are full of it, but I’m still kinda concerned.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
It’s also just pretty hard for a player (especially a non-established star) to challenge a ruling in a road ballpark. How would he know who to talk to or who to call? At Camden Yards I might believe it, but he’s never played in the San Diego stadium before – it’s not like there’s a phone in the dugout that goes directly to the official scorer.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
he grew up in San Diego
I bet he has “connections” to the baseball mafia there.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
This has been going on since like the 2nd or 3rd blown save
They don’t have the personnel in place to stop it. No managers or coaches to keep the kids going. Argue what you will, I think a solid coaching staff from the getgo gives us 10-15 more wins. The kids are pressing way too much and there’s no support for them to fall back on.
by GeoffreyA on Jun 22, 2010 11:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
10-15 more wins now??
Or 10-15 more wins over the course of the full season?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
We've blown what, 15 saves?
Last i heard we were like .219 with RISP. Considering the amount of 1-2 run games we’ve lost, I think 10-15 more wins now is not out of the question.
by GeoffreyA on Jun 22, 2010 1:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The 15 blown saves
just means games that we were winning at some point and a reliever giving up that lead. I don’t see how having a different coaching staff would make our relievers more effective. I also don’t see how having a different coaching staff would make our hitters any better.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I think a competent manager would have
made better decisions with the bullpen personel which would have resulted in a few less blown saves.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Jun 22, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a big maybe when the bullpen is really pretty bad. And a few less blown saves doesn’t get you anywhere near 10-15 wins.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I wasn't the one who said that.
I just said a few less blown saves.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Jun 22, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
part of the reason the bullpen is so bad
is how it’s been used.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I guess a small part
but it’s also bad because all the guys who sit in there are bad at pitching.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Hmm
Ok, I understand your point completely. But I can’t stress enough how much I really think that Crowley has fucked up the young kids. It seems they are regressing daily with no end in sight. As I noted before, Markakis stated the one game that HE, not he and crowley, HE sat down and figured out why he started out so bad. Everyone wants all these kids to go back down to the minors to “relearn xxxx”. In reality most of us just want them away from the ML staff.
Every week there’s a few articles about “is the coaching staff hurting the Os” etc… Hell, last week after teh 9th inning loss to SD, Samuel was laughing in the post-game interview about taking teh tough loss. Explain to me what sort of leadership that is. It’s amazing what a good manager/staff can do with a bad team and vice versa. I can’t even name teh amount of times I’ve read articles about Wieters, Jones, Matusz, Markakis, et al pressing too much because they are trying to hard to win and not doing what comes naturally.
I could be completely wrong, who knows. But there just seems to be too many failed, failed or teetering top-end prospects on this team for it to be this bad.
by GeoffreyA on Jun 22, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I mean I get it
I just have no clue how much the coaching staff even matters. I agree they seem shitty, but I don’t think the best coaches in the world would make this team a 35-35 team.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
The odds of my making a pilgrimage...
…to kick Adam’s ass seem to grow daily.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
by James F on Jun 22, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Zrebiec says for now they could option TIllman to make room
but then Atkins would be back on the chopping block on saturday
I like the comments...
“Leave it to the Orioles to send out Moore…” (by “Gary Thorn’s socks”)
Zrebiec’s reply: “Who said they sent out Moore?”
Never let facts get in the way of good FO bashing.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Great, now even David Letterman is making fun of us
“Over the weekend, at Yankee Stadium, Lady Gaga goes into the Yankees clubhouse, takes off all her clothes and gives everybody there the finger. It’s been … what she’s doing now, she’s going to go from stadium to stadium, making a fool of herself. It’s like the Orioles.”
Ouch.
That stings. But it is pretty funny. Better than most of the recycled jokes I’ve been hearing … “I want to live with the Orioles, they don’t beat anybody.”
hahahahaha
Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
by Stacey on Jun 22, 2010 11:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Zing!
That’s pretty good, I gotta say.
"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 22, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
That's funny.
But it’s one of those jokes that is only ok to laugh at if you’re an O’s fan. Anyone else laughing I would tell to STFU.
Insert something witty here.
by Knubles and Bits on Jun 22, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
First teammate of mine to get called up to the big leagues today
Meanwhile I’m working on spreadsheets…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Who?
"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 22, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Jay Sborz
Tigers. He pitched against the O’s in ST and got shelled I believe.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
congrats to him
I remember him facing the O’s in spring training. It wasn’t good (for him).
Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21
“This isn’t easy. It’s not just about having great stuff; it’s getting used to being in the AL East and facing big league hitters every five days. It’s not just going to all click right away. I still feel confident as I can be in these guys just because I know how much I’ve learned and how much better that I’ve gotten. You learn from failure, and failure is going to happen.” Fair point. -zk
Ray Miller used to say it take 2-3 years to learn how to pitch at the big league level. Unless you pitch for the Rays.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
That's not a fair comparison
The Rays get to face us. We don’t.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
harper
I saw a Harper update in the Heyman article.
The initial number going around for No. 1 overall draft choice Bryce Harper is $12 million — though a person close to Harper called that a "management’’ number. Many execs see Harper beating Mark Teixeira’s $9.5 million record for a position player but falling short of Stephen Strasburg’s record $15.067-million bonus — though the Nationals are making so much money on Strasburg, it’ll be interesting to see whether that loosens their purse strings on Harper.
Hmm, I wonder who that person close to Harper is? Could be Scott Boras? So Nats are leaking $12M, Boras is dismissing that figure as a “management” number. Boras should take his $12M and be happy with it given that the CBA is expiring soon. And I love that line about the Nats making so much money. Fucking Heyman. He’s such a Boras stooge.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
they are, though!
it’s crazy how much strasswag is already flooding the streets of dc.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Jun 22, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
sure, they may be making more money
but that doesn’t mean they should just give Harper more money as Heyman suggests. His market value is independent of the Nat’s revenue.
I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.
I pretty much read every Heyman article
as if it was ghost-written by Boras. When the Ryan Howard extension was announced and Jon Heyman was the only person in the media who liked it, i was shocked to find out that Howard wasn’t represented by Boras.
Haha
Of course, Boras would like the Ryan Howard extension regardless, since it sets a good precedent.
"MONTANEZ: Alas! I cannot hit. Deal with it."
-Eat More Esskay
Good for him
Of course, not as great for us as one of the teams that only has one representative.
To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa
Does every org have to have a rep there?
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
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