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Tillman optioned to Triple-A Norfolk | orioles.com: News
"Chris Tillman was optioned to Triple-A Norfolk prior to Tuesday's game, a move which cleared a spot on the 25-man roster for newly acquired Jake Fox." -duck

Trade for Fox is a move in the right direction - baltimoresun.com
Peter Schmuck likes the trade for Jake Fox. So there you go. -duck

Orioles Insider: Sensing a pattern, old Chicago style
Jake Fox makes the latest former Cubs minor league player to join the Orioles. Remind me, how many times did the Cubs go to the World Series while Andy was there? What's the fascination with Cubs players? -duck

Jake Fox talks about joining the Orioles - MASNsports.com
"I'm excited about it. It's always good to have a change and go someplace where hopefully you fit in. Where I came from, it just wasn't the right fit for anybody. I didn't fit into their style and it's very difficult to change your style at this point. I'm happy to be here. It's great to have a fresh start," the 27-year-old, right-handed hitter said. -duck

Twitter / Brittany Ghiroli: Gonzo hits 90-91
Mike Gonzalez hit 91 mph on the radar game in a GCL game yesterday. -duck

RosenBlog: Another former Cub to the Orioles, so what about Sandberg?
"The acquisition of Jake Fox on Tuesday gives the Orioles eight former Cubs on their roster. Sounds like Ryne Sandberg should be getting an interview for the Orioles’ managerial job, doesn’t it?" -duck

Wish list for struggling Baltimore Orioles growing - USATODAY.com
More reminders about how much this team needs a first baseman who can actually hit. -duck

IN THE MINORS

Orioles Insider: Minor league game recaps - June 22
Norfolk won, Bowie lost, Aberdeen lost, Bluefield lost, and the GCL Orioles won. Frederick and Delmarva are on their All-Star breaks. Felix Pie was 1-for-4 as a DH for the GCL Orioles. -duck

Britton to represent O's in Futures Game | orioles.com: News
Zach Britton will represent the Orioles in the All-Star Futures Game. Britton is 6-3 with a 2.62 ERA, 59 K's and 27 walks in 79.0 IP so far this year. -duck

Mummey and Frabizio notes - MASNsports.com
Trent Mummey passed his physical and is expected in Aberdeen in a few days. Vito Frabizio has been released. Yeah, I never heard of him, either. -duck

Miclat set to move to Double-A - MASNsports.com
Greg Miclat, who played in the High A All-Star Game last night, will be moved to Bowie. He's batting almost 85 points higher this season than he did at Delmarva last year with a .311 AVG at Frederick. -duck

Welty in the HR Derby - MASNsports.com
Ronnie Welty of the Frederick Keys made it to the semi-finals in the High A All-Star Game Home Run Derby. He led all participants in the first round with five home runs, then lost in the semis. -duck

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My stepdad grew up on the north side of Chicago

And he used to tell me that since the Cubs were never in the World Series, they’d count the number of ex-Cubs on each team and the team with the most always lost. He may have been exaggerating with the “always” part. He does that sometimes. But every time the O’s add another former Cub I think of him telling that story.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 23, 2010 9:03 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I read somewhere yesterday

That Felix might be in Frederick on Thursday. Maybe Roch said it. I’d like to go see him (and the rest of the team) but that’s also AJ bobble night. Hm.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 23, 2010 9:06 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I think I'm going on Friday.

And you probably saw it here.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jun 23, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah probably

Maybe I’ll go see him in Bowie. If I could match it up with a Zach Britton start that’d be cool

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 23, 2010 9:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

YOU HAVE TO GO TO BOBBLE NIGHT!

Sorry… I get a bit carried away.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jun 23, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know, I know

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 23, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

2 ouches and an awwwww

from Dobrow’s Power Rankings on CBS. I agree with the one about Nick:

30 Orioles · Trends 30
Among the kinder comments I heard about the team’s core young’uns in recent weeks: “The next pitch he recognizes will be his first” (Adam Jones), “His swing is longer than a novel” (Matt Wieters) and “I just want to give him a hug and a warm bowl of soup, and tell him everything’s going to be OK” (about Nick Markakis) … They might actually have to send Wieters down to shorten that swing. Even marginal fastballs whip past him like cars down an interstate … My pick to manage this team is Buck Showalter. The O’s have tried organizational retreads, unheralded baseball lifers and highly regarded bench coaches. Now it’s time to hire a skipper who communicates obliquely and fines players if the elasticity of their socks fails to conform to the standards outlined on page 837(b)(2) of the player’s manual. Out with the folksy aphorisms, in with the high-strung anal-retentiveness.

by NSOsFan on Jun 23, 2010 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

i said almost that exact thing last night

Just substitute “take out for ice cream” and add in Jason Berken, since it was right after Scott Moore threw that ball away.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 23, 2010 9:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Marlins just fired Fredi Gonzalez

Apparently beating us by only 6 is unacceptable

by kba26 on Jun 23, 2010 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

wow

Should we reunite him with Kranny?

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 23, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

We could certainly do worse

Though he’s probably just gonna take a few month vacation and then take over the Braves

by kba26 on Jun 23, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Offer the interview nonetheless though. If he turns it down, so be it. But do the due diligence.

by PBR me ASAP! on Jun 23, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good news, the Pierogi has been re-hired!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5318009

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 23, 2010 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Fabrizio was released?

That’s kinda fucked up. He was a sleeper prospect for the O’s, who went non-drafted after being booted from high school for disciplinary reasons but who had shown pro velocity and was anticipated to be in Delmarva’s rotation to open the year.

I’ve got to think there is more to this story, although we’ll probably never hear it since Fabrizio wasn’t exactly on many people’s radar.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 23, 2010 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

The buzz on twitter upon his release

was that his personality and personal issues were too much for the team to take.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 23, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a bit shocked that there was twitter buzz about him

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 23, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

ahahaah well by buzz

I mean the Dempsey’s Army dude and the Orioles Prospects dude discussing it.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 23, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I should probably start actually using Twitter

Despite my total lack of enthusiasm for it.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 23, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

It took me a long time to get into it

Forever I thought it was the stupidest thing in history. It still has a lot of stupidness on it, but once you figure out how to use it, there is a ton of info on there.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 23, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Use it to follow people

I never post a status, I just use it to follow people. Very handing for breaking news.

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 23, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do the same.

Except I never seem to be logged in when news breaks.

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jun 23, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why in the hell

would we sign a kid THROWN OUT of high school? You know how bad you gotta fuck up to get thrown out? I’ve had kids accused of attempted murder still sitting in my classes. I’ve had kids who sold pot on campus back in my classes. If you’ve gotten your ass expelled, it’s not too big a leap to think you might not be cut out for a team sport as a profession.

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 23, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Josh Selby got kicked out of two schools in Maryland,

and he’s gonna be playing basketball at Kansas next year. Enough talent and people look the other way.

by kba26 on Jun 23, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because sometimes people get their acts together?

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 23, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

After get EXPELLED from school?

In 16 years of teaching HS, I’ve never seen that path end well. Ever.

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 23, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you closely follow the paths of every person who got expelled?

My sister got thrown out of high school her senior year and she just graduated from University of MD as an engineer in December. It’s a good thing you weren’t on the admissions board.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 23, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most of the ones I've seen after HS

I saw in Death Notices from gunshot wounds in my local paper. Small sample size, I know…

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 23, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well those are the ones you've seen

I’d imagine the ones that don’t end up dead or in prison don’t get much press.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 23, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Salisbury ain't that big a town

but like I said, short of massive amounts of drugs or violence within the school itself, we don’t expel anybody. I’m guessing things that would lead to expulsion in other counties would barely rate a suspension in mine.

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 23, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I also have teh feeling

Wicomico County doesn’t expel anyone near as fast as other jurisdictions, so my experience may not be the norm. We’ll keep ANYBODY.

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 23, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

OH SNAP!

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jun 23, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh come on!

People get expelled from high school and turn out just fine.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just telling you what I see

as a HS teacher. But like I said, attempted murder, as long as it’s not on school grounds, won’t get you expelled in my county, so YMMV.

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 23, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weird

I knew a lot of kids that got expelled from my school and are doing just fine.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

What did they get kicked out for?

And a lot from one school? Odd. We expel MAYBE 5 kids a year from our entire county.

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 23, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean I don't know that "a lot" is a good way to describe it.

But I can think of 4-5 that were expelled from my school over the course of my time there – 6th-12th. One was for bringing a lot of weed to school, another had a gun in his car, one kid drew cross hairs on people’s pictures in the yearbook and talked about bringing a bomb to school, and another was repetitive fighting. None of them were first offenses of course. And certainly not all of them are doing well now, but a couple are.

Clearly being expelled from school is not an indicator for future success, but it’s not insurmountable.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of those kids would have gotten the boot in my county

and if it was a hunting rifle, that example wouldn’t have gotten the boot, either.

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 23, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

You clearly have a very difficult job

Most teachers do for that matter. But yours sounds like an especially challenging environment.

by Roarfrom34 on Jun 23, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, it has its days

but as I tell parents, 97% of kids are normal kids, doing the same crap we tried to get away with 20-30 years ago. It’s the 3% that cause trouble that’s changed – the trouble they cause is a LOT worse now. But it’s still only about 3% of kids. I mean, at my school, almost half the office referrals are either lateness to class or cutting class. Less than half are for classroom disruptions or violent incidents, and violent incidents account for about 15% of our disruption referrals.

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 23, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait they give out of office referrals for being late?

Your school’s much stricter then mine. The worse I’ve seen for a lateness is an MIR (minor incedent referal)

"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 23, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I’m guessing our school districts are probably a little different. haha

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I may have remembered it wrong

According to Fabrizio, he didn’t get chucked or drop out – he just stopped going.

That said, I’m sure the reason we did it is because he had talent. And I can’t see the harm in signing a non-drafted free agent with talent and seeing if he can’t get his head on straight. Lots of people are assholes in high school and turn out to be fine adults.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 23, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's a difference in being an asshole in HS

and getting tossed out.

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 23, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he stopped going...

Isn’t that the same as dropping out?

"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson

by Brotz13 on Jun 23, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's definitely different than being thrown out

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 23, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I dunno

I remember reading that he was chucked, but in the interview with Melewski he claims he stopped going.

I don’t really care enough to find out the truth, honestly.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 23, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Futures game

I took a look at the Futures’ roster on MLB. As reported, the Os have one (Britton). About half of the teams have two. None has three. I wish that more of our minor leaguers were deserving of a selection, but at least we are not way out of line.

by BaltoBen on Jun 23, 2010 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Keith Law says he's surprised we only have one.
I’m surprised that the O’s, whose farm system has improved greatly over the past few years, got just one representative. No Caleb Joseph? Or Josh Bell?

Though I’m not sure whether he’s saying he thinks they should be in based on their performance and potential, or if he’s saying that he’s surprised no one else is doing well enough to go. Bell’s numbers are becoming decent now, though: .273 / .320 / .451 (raw), .292 / .338 / .498 (adjusted for park and luck). More OBP would be nice, though.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jun 23, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

DONOVANNNNNN

for those of you not following in the other thread

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 23, 2010 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

There is a reason there's the other thread ;)

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 23, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea but SOMEBODY has to keep you all informed

just sorting thru all the comments for the pertinent info :-)

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 23, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

trust me, I'm informed

I’m over informed. I’m so tired of being informed.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 23, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hate America

because it is full of people who don’t give a shit about soccer for three years and eleven months and then I have to listen to them go on and on about the world cup like they are life long soccer fans, not to mention experts on the entire sport.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 23, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

"Ain't that America..."

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 23, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn;t they do that on Glee?

"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 23, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't know

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 23, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea most people are

i played for 10 years and still love it even though i only play maybe once a month for fun now.

plus its realllllly hard to get into soccer if you didnt play. the MLS isnt that great and the EPL or the like is hardly ever on TV

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 23, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not talking about you or kba or anyone like that

I like soccer. I don’t really follow it all that much, but I played it from the time I was a kid through the end of high school and I’ve enjoyed watching some of the world cup (although most takes place when I’m at work). I’m just so tired of how every person I know who hasn’t mentioned soccer once in their entire life won’t shut up with their Facebook statuses and their tweets and their acting like they know everything. And then they say things like, “It’s like the Olympics!” which, no, it’s not. Because when the hell else am I going to watch curling and that thing where they shoot rifles and then ski? You can watch soccer all year if you want! But they don’t! And it’s also not like the olympics to them because I freely admit to watching the sports in olympics and enjoying them but not knowing all that much about the athletes and all that, but it seems like everyone watching the world cup and going on and on about it just knows every single thing about every soccer player in history.

I am beyond the saturation point for the world cup, and it’s not even close to being over. And that’s a shame because I think the world cup is great as an event.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 23, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't be hatin' on biathlon...

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 23, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not hatin'!

I thought it was awesome. I thought it was going to be really boring, but then it wasn’t.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 23, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ali and I loved it.

I kept telling her, “See, if you learn cross-country skiing, you could go to the Olympics!”

The rifles they use, by the way, are wicked cool and hella expensive.

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 23, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get put off by the nationalist aspect of it

I honestly prefer the Champions League, even if the tournaments are less exciting, because I find it really unenjoyable to root for the United States to smack around Algeria

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 23, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fabio Capello said a similar thing recently

But I just wanted to say Fabio Capello so everyone would believe I’m a soccer fan.

Capello’s comment was intended to highlight the fact that you can put together great teams in the Champions League by spending money. In the World Cup you’re essentially stuck with what you’ve got. In other words, it’s more fun to watch the greatest players perform together and bring out the best in each other.

It’s an intriguing thought, but (watch this segue back into baseball) it also sounds a lot like the Yankees, Red Sox, etc. Sure, there’s a certain value to having great teams, but what happens to all the other teams that can’t afford to compete?

by Roarfrom34 on Jun 23, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

What happens to the teams from small poor countries now?

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 23, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

They still play for their country in the WC?

Not sure what you’re getting at here…

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 23, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

They still get smacked around by the big rich countries

What is the difference between getting beat by Manchester United and getting beat by Brazil or Germany?

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 23, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uruguay begs to differ

So does South Korea.

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 23, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tampa Bay came awfully close to winning a WS

and the Twins have done it twice.

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 23, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone in one of the threads on this page said Uruguay won the cup in 1930

And their story checks out. I looked up South Korea. Furthest they’ve made it is the semi-finals. So Uruguay can be a slightly less successful version of the Twins and South Korea can be a slightly less successful version of the Rays.

by Roarfrom34 on Jun 23, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

South Korea has the 26th largest population...

…and the 14th largest economy in the world.

Uruguay I’ll give you, but they haven’t won the World Cup since 1950 and haven’t even qualified three of the last five world cups. They are by far the smallest country to win the World Cup, followed by Argentina. Only six nations smaller than Uruguay have ever qualified for the World Cup.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 23, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think about it like the NCAA tournament or something

The Cinderella stories happen. Even the jobber teams can be proud to have given it their best if they come up short (even way short). But there’s always that dream that the smaller school with the smaller players will get lucky and triumph, because sometimes they do.

I feel like this has even more potential in soccer because really, all it takes is that one lucky goal and then holding on for the duration. Maybe they don’t win it all but they can sure have a wild ride.

I mean, look at a team like New Zealand in this World Cup. There’s the 78th-ranked team in the world and they played Italy, the defending champions, to a draw. That is a pretty exciting outcome.

Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10

by Eat More Esskay on Jun 23, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure they do

But Cinderella stories happen, as you point out, in all kinds of athletic competitions. You don’t need to have it be a competition between nations in order to have Cinderella stories.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 23, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

This World Cup is proving that there has been huge leaps in international parity

Largely due to the enormous amounts of money that are being spent on the club level. Teams will go anywhere to find players and even a tiny nation like Slovenia or some very underdeveloped country will have enough scouts in it that they can put together a decent side. Tiny countries no longer need to the sort of infrastructure that previous national teams would have relied on to put a team together since most of the player pool will be training and playing in Europe anyway.

by kba26 on Jun 23, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

From all the hype it gets....

I thought the World Cup had been around for a long time, like 50+ years. I was shocked to hear that it only started in 1994. Wow. I’m tired of the hype too, but I’m a little biased – I don’t like soccer at all.

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Jun 23, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, what?

That’s not true.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 23, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh wait

I think you’re just confused. 1994 was the first one in the United States. I remember because I was all about the world cup that year. I had this cool t-shirt and with this globe on it but half was a soccer ball. …what, I was 15. And a dork. And I played soccer.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 23, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of USA hosting the WC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_2018_and_2022_FIFA_World_Cup_bid

That’d be awesome if they had games at M&T Bank Stadium or FedEx.

"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 23, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Incorrect.

First was held in… 30?

"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.

by LenaO on Jun 23, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah thanks!

That makes much more sense. I mis-understood the phrasing of the broadcaster. He was using weird pausing so it sounded something like ‘1994 was the first World Cup….it was in the US’.

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Jun 23, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wanna know something even WEIDER?

Uruguay won the first one. And then won again. Uruguay. Think about that.

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 23, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

And after they won the first one, Uruguay and Argentina broke political ties.

The final was Argentina-Uruguay and after the final, all hell broke lose, if my memory serves me correctly, the Argentines threw rocks at the Uruguayin (that’s not how it’s spelled, but who cares?) and then poltical ties between the two countries broke up for for a couple decades. All because of the soccer match.

"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 23, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can watch all those Olympic sports on Universal Sports.

I’ve actually found myself watching it every now and then during this thrilling baseball season. Rest assured, I get your point, though, lol.

by Redford on Jun 23, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

is quite accurate, and I thank you ever so much for saying it.
Seriously, everyone is going apeshit over this world cup when hardly anyone actually cares about soccer at any other time. It’s insane.

"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.

by LenaO on Jun 23, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

My latest reason to hate Derek Jeter

He’s in a new commercial where the Yankees are jogging along the Hoboken waterfront with the fucking Trade Center in the background.

Fuck you Derek.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 23, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

One of my rules for life is that you don't need a reason to hate Derek Jeter.

Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10

by Eat More Esskay on Jun 23, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You don't need a reason

But I find the continued exploitation of the destruction of the WTC by the Yankees revolting. I lived through it, and they can go fuck themselves.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 23, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Mets don't exploit that image, do they?

Seriously, you wouldn’t see this out of the Mets organization or any of their players.

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 23, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, the Mets never appopriated it like the Yankees did

I blame Giuliani for that one, but the Yankees have been really shameless about it since he gave them the opportunity.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 23, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

BUT BUT

They’re America’s team!!

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Jun 23, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

nah that's the Braves

TBS!

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 23, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha true....

When I was kid I also saw a lot of Cubs games thanks to WGN….even though we lived in South-Central PA

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Jun 23, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Giuliani was somehow involved in the WTC?

News to me.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's where he put the NYC emergency response office

because it was near the apartment where he was bangin’ his mistress. The NYPD said to move it out of that location, and he refused.

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 23, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bernie Kerick was also in on putting the command center in the Towers

He was Rudy’s police chief, almost became Director of Fatherland Security & now serving time because he was such an obvious crook, even by the standards of the profession.

And Rudy is STILL considered a hero & “security” expert. Oh well, I guess it’s because of the 2 people yelping into bullhorns right after the attack, he was the one speaking in complete, English sentences instaed of simian gibberish.

You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.

by sluggo 2.0 on Jun 23, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw Anathallo in Hoboken a few years ago...

one of the best shows I’ve ever seen….

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Jun 23, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never even heard of them

Heck, I haven’t even heard of the bands they’ve opened for according to Wikipedia (The Format?).

But I’ve seen a lot of great shows in Hoboken – mainly the Yo La Tengo Hanukkah shows. Those are always a blast.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 23, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know what kind of music you're into...

so take this with a grain of salt from a guy who likes indie stuff with esoteric instrumentation and sometimes crazy lyrics (think Neutral Milk Hotel, Sufjan Stevens, and to a lesser extent Arcade Fire), but ‘Floating World’ is one of my favorite albums. It’s so beautiful…and the kicker is, it sounds even better live…….

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Jun 23, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like most kinds of music

Love NMH, find Sufjan Stevens and Arcade Fire a bit dull.

I’ll make a point of checking them out.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 23, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish I had been able to see NMH live....

As far as Sufjan Stevens, I’m not a big fan, I just was trying to think of something to remotely compare them too. I have to be in the right mood to listen to his stuff. However, his song ‘The Predatory Wasp of the Palisades is Out to Get Us!’ is one of my all-time favorite songs.

Here’s a question for you. If you have to pick five albums to take on a desert island, what would they be?

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Jun 23, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oops

I used the wrong form of ‘to’ in my previous post. My bad.

I’m my own grammar Nazi.

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Jun 23, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, my five albums wouldn't be the five albums that I think are the best...

…but the ones I love the most. Off the top of my head:

The Wedding Present, “Seamonsters”
Sonic Youth, “Goo”
Sleater-Kinney, hard to pick just one but probably “The Woods” or “All Hands on the Bad One”
Tom Waits, “Rain Dogs”
Tossup between Etta James, “The Definitive Collection”, Charles Mingus, “Mingus Ah Um”, Johnny Cash, “Live at Folsom Prison”, and Pixies, “Surfer Rosa”

Or an audiobook on how to build a boat.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 23, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i approve of your musical tastes.

I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.

by birdman on Jun 23, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

The last band I saw in Hoboken was the English Beat

That was probably about a year ago. Good show though.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jun 23, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

So.

Who should be our All-Star? Nick the Stick or Wigglytuff? We’ve all been saying Wiggy for a while, but he’s been regressing for the last month, and Nick’s steady OBP and doubles are hard to ignore even though the homers aren’t there.

I guess Girardi will pick based on whether he wants an OF or an IF, really.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jun 23, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Gotta be Nick.

Wiggy made it interesting for 6 weeks or so, but Nick is the only possible choice at this point.

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 23, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely Nick

For the reasons mentioned already and the defense. Wiggy leads the team in errors with 10.

by Roarfrom34 on Jun 23, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Needs to be Markakis.

Fuck Girardi if he picks anybody else.

Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10

by Eat More Esskay on Jun 23, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nick!

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Jun 23, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHAHAHA

we are a terrible franchise

by brek on Jun 23, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fine

And what a prima donna thing to fucking do – like anyone, even in Baltimore, really gives a fuck whether or not he’s still officially being considered.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 23, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure, its a dick move to make an "Official" announcement

but he is the guy the front office appeared to want the most, not to mention most of CC, and the second another job opens up he let’s it be known he is no longer interested in working for the O’s

by brek on Jun 23, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, we want him because he's popular

He’s a character and has a good reputation.

But we have little idea here at CC as to what makes for a good manager, and I don’t agree with your assessment of who the front office wants.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 23, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

“I made no secret of the fact that given the young makeup of our roster, we will probably place a high premium on experience,” MacPhail said. “And preferably experience where they’ve shown some success and hopefully had some postseason success.”

Wedge and Valentine meets those requirements, Showalter doesn’t. I’d say at this point they are lowering their expectations

by brek on Jun 23, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aren't we all...

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jun 23, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

He just pulled a freakin' reverse Girardi

Girardi said “no thanks” to the O’s on his way out of Florida, now Valentine is saying “no thanks” in hopes of going to Florida.

by Roarfrom34 on Jun 23, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

hadnt Girardi been gone from Florida for a while at that point?

and, like Valentine, he said “no thanks” in hopes of going somewhere – anywhere — else

by brek on Jun 23, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Girardi was fired by the Marlins in Oct. 2006

He interviewed with the O’s the following June, turned them down, and wound up getting the Yankees gig after the 2007 season.

It’s not a true “reverse” situation. I just think it’s funny that one guy rejected the O’s after getting fired by Florida while the other rejected the O’s to potentially go to Florida. Clearly the Marlins are the problem here. Screw them, screw their tendency to fire good managers, and screw them for staying fairly competitive on young talent and small payroll.

by Roarfrom34 on Jun 23, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just found out my company is being bought

More stress is exactly what I needed.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2010 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Is anyone

WATCHING THIS TENNIS MATCH… ITS UNREAL!!!!!

by Wieters Wieners on Jun 23, 2010 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Seriously

Longest documented match ever played..

Currently at 57-57 games in the 5th set.

Going on 10 hours!!!

by Wieters Wieners on Jun 23, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

billy butler slowly taking out the MLB

hits bergesen on the shin last year. just rocked pudge in the face with a foul ball

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 23, 2010 5:45 PM EDT reply actions  

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