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Thursday Bird Droppings

Out the door to swim practice (not me, silly). More links and recaps will go up later, unless someone else wants to add them. 

Baseball Tonight Clubhouse - ESPN
"The Orioles, a once-proud franchise, have lost their way. Sadly, it doesn't appear it will get better any time soon, says Tim Kurkjian." -duck

Orioles Insider: Dempsey will get interview; Wedge likely to have second
You know what? Just kill me now. -duck

Orioles Insider: To bunt or not to bunt?
Here's the answer - not bunt. I'd also love to have heard the half dozen questions contained in this blog entry actually asked last night. -duck

Valentine out, O's consider Showalter for job | orioles.com: News
Bobby Valentine is too much of a quitter to lead the O's, and Buck Showalter got an interview. -duck

Wondering about a manager's decision - MASNsports.com
"But, why not stay with the sharp pitcher on the mound, one who is already in the game?" Why not, indeed. -duck

Millwood: The New Pavano | FanGraphs Baseball
Dave Cameron offers the view that Kevin Millwood might be the best trade bargain out there. -Stacey

IN THE MINORS

Orioles Insider: Minor league game recaps -- June 23
Norfolk won, Bowie lost, Aberdeen lost, Bluefield won and the GCL Orioles lost. Frederick and Delmarva are on their All-Star breaks. -duck

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WUZZUP??????????

"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 24, 2010 8:19 AM EDT reply actions  

BANNED

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 24, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

EXTRA BANNED

in other news, the orioles made ESPN’s MLB front page for no longer being a model franchise

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 24, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Their coverage of the McGwire-Sosa HR race yesterday was excellent!

by BrianS on Jun 24, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Extra Banned? How do ya do that?

;)

"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 24, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's a special sauce involved

and a mixture of onions and radishes.

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 24, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes

horseradish is a main ingredient

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 24, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seems like it'll be spicey.

"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 24, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

apparently they think we should blow the whole thing up and start over

I think we’re seeing the devestation of being blown up

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 24, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Will it be a big show when they get blown up?

Like when domes get blown up and lots of people watch it?

"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 24, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

All kidding aside

I really wouldn’t mind seeing this franchise move away and Baltimore getting an expansion team. New beginnings would be great. It will never happen but a man can dream can’t he?

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jun 24, 2010 9:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Only if it's like the Browns and we get to keep our history.

Because the orioles do have some pretty good history.

"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 24, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

My dream

and one that I’ve discussed with a number of people, is that in the future when the Rays can’t stay in TB anymore, we ship the Orioles off to Las Vegas or wherever and let the Rays come here, only we call them the Orioles.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 24, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Jun 24, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dude creeps me out.

"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 24, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like them to move to NJ

That way I won’t have to travel 3.5 hrs to see them be horrible anymore.

NC is also an acceptable destination.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jun 24, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dick Enberg calling tennis?

Unusual.

"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 24, 2010 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Ok so Rick Dempsey

I know we don’t want him, but what is it about him? Is he more old school than DT or JS? Or is it just that he’s so desperate for it. Just curious….I don’t know much about him. I just have a general feeling that I don’t want him as manager. haha

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Jun 24, 2010 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Listen to 5 post-game wrap-ups with Dempsey

And that will tell you everything you want to know about why you don’t want Rick Dempsey as the manager of this team. He went to the school they burned down to build the old school.

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 24, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh

I thought so. Why can’t we get someone who uses modern managing techniques like, you know, these new-fangled things they call ‘stats’?

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Jun 24, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

He'll use stats

Wins, RBIs, average. You know, the important ones.

by kba26 on Jun 24, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love this quote about RBI

“Player C may have gotten the RBI, but it could very well be that Player
A drew a walk from the ace pitcher after fouling off numerous pitches. He
then advanced to 2nd on player B’s single to left. Player A might have
then stole third on a double steal, and scored on C’s sacrifice fly (which
would have been a routine out if A & B hadn’t done such a superb job getting
themselves in scoring position). C gets the RBI (and the big contract), but
was really responsible for that run?
 
An RBI may be the icing on the cake, but it doesn’t tell you who was the
best baker.”

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Jun 24, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stats, man...

they’re ridiculous.

Fire Garret Atkins.

by Andrew_G on Jun 24, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

always makes me laugh

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 24, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and I never get a chance to hear the wrap-up

Since I’m in NY, I have to listen/watch on mlb.tv, and they cut off the second the game is over.

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Jun 24, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's a fucking moron. That's about it.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 24, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember the exact moment I wrote off Dempsey

I think it was 2005, he’s coaching 1st base and supposedly working with the catchers. Javy Lopez has to go on the DL because he had his meat hand hanging out and got a ball hit off it. Then Chief Gil takes one off the hand a couple days later and looks like he might go down too. They ask Dempsey and he says “guys have their habits by the time they get to this level, you can’t change it.”

So you want to be a leader in the ultimate “game of adjustments” and you can’t even get a player to make as simple an adjustment as hiding his meat hand behind his glove or back? Sorry, you shouldn’t be coaching, much less managing in the major leagues — I don’t care how well you played back in the day.

Has there ever been a cooler Oriole than Eddie Murray? I mean, just straight up cool. Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08

by 33 on Jun 24, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they should hire Dempsey and just guarantee the #1 pick.

And then just fire his stupid ass the second the season is over.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 24, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Yep.

"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 24, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was good early yesterday.

Then dragged into extreme dullness and then when they both got tired as hell it was awesome again.

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jun 24, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dempsey's getting an interview

You all know what that means. If something bad can happen, it most definitely will.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jun 24, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

They may not have a plan on how to fix the team

But at least they have a plan of how to end my fanhood.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 24, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

May I suggest the Twins?

"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 24, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

No

If the Orioles ever drive me away, I’ll be done with the game.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 24, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

word

Has there ever been a cooler Oriole than Eddie Murray? I mean, just straight up cool. Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08

by 33 on Jun 24, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

or at the very least i’ll become a “casual fan” of baseball and probably just go to milb games and not know who anyone is. This shit is too time consuming.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jun 24, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, exactly

I’ve tried to be interested in some of my friends’ teams…but it just doesn’t work for me. It’s very much Orioles or Bust for me.

Fire Garret Atkins.

by Andrew_G on Jun 24, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah…I’ve tried to have a 2nd favorite team, and I just can’t. I’m nearing baseball apathy.

by BrianS on Jun 24, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 24, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's exactly how I feel

If there is one thing the Orioles can do to make sure I’m completely finished with them, it would be to hire Rick Dempsey. It would traumatic as hell on me, but I’d do it.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 24, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

More traumatic than this season?

The worst part? It isn’t even half over yet.

93 games to go…. I wanna be sedated.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 24, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here's The Offspring version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A7I7cq72qg

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 24, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, more traumatic

They’re godawful, but they’ve been in my life since I was born practically. It would be a divorce.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 24, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I might have to hold you to that.

Somehow. Not sure how, but it would be for your own sanity.

I don’t turn on games now for my own sanity. I just get the feeling these on the field issues are nothing compared to organizational disarray.

by drj on Jun 24, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I don’t mean to be bandwagon, but I flip the game on, and if (when) they’re losing, I turn it right back off.

I feel like I have to turn down my level of interest for the rest of this year, or I risk hating the Orioles next year as a result.

by BrianS on Jun 24, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I try to only watch

when Jones, Wieters, or Markakis are hitting or when Matusz or Arrieta are pitching. I’ve taken to turning the game on, pausing it to go do other things, and then fast forwarding through the shit that I don’t care about to watch their ABs/pitches.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 24, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't believe they would do that to us.

Even as bad as things are right now, I can’t believe that Dempsey would actually get the job.

Baltimore is Baltimore. That's kind of what I know. - Manny Machado, 6/7/10

by Eat More Esskay on Jun 24, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s the Orioles, after all. I can’t imagine that Dempsey isn’t the frontrunner.

by BrianS on Jun 24, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously, stop joking about this.

if this happened, I think CC would implode overnight. because none of us would ever want to post here again.

"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott

by zknower on Jun 24, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually, i'd love it if dempsey got the spot

the orioles would completely implode and we can finally kick dempsey to the curb and never hear talk of him getting an interview again.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 24, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn...this sounds like i want the o's to implode (further than they already have)

what i meant was, we arent going to get much better this year. lets fire samuel and let dempsey prove he sucks cuz the rest of the season hardly matters anyways

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 24, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same.

"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 24, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

What network is it on?

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 24, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fuck lot of good that does me with a DSL connection

that’s been trying to crap out all day

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 24, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, don't have that, either

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 24, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep me updated.

I’m in class writing a term paper.

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jun 24, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

So helping to clean out my gf's parent's place...

We found a sweet kids Cal Ripken backpack with ‘Ripken’ and ‘8’ on it……I’ll have to post a picture.

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Jun 24, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Isner

6-4, 3-6, 6-7 (7), 7-6 (3), 70-68

by kba26 on Jun 24, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

How awesome.

I just checked it out on yahoo and it said they had a special ceremony to commemorate the occassion. Was it something cool?

Insert something witty here.

by Knubles and Bits on Jun 24, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's gotta be an instant classic.

"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 24, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

record number of aces

112…..compared to the previous record of like 78

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 24, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depressing

After a lifetime of following the Os, I took a multi-year hiatus beginning around 2002. During that time, I did not attend a single game or even follow the club in the papers. I mean, how much of Syd Thrift can a man take. Because I am a baseball fan, I came back when AM was hired and PA promised to stay out of his way. Since then, I have been a devoted fan. I must say, however, that this year is very hard to take.

The team is so very bad, and there is no apparent help in the minors. At this point, there is not a single position player in the minors who gets me excited for the future. Where is Bobby Grich when we need him? The lack of talent gives me a feeling of hopelessness. Its not as if there is a raft of good players down on the farm who simply need time to mature. What we have are a group of deeply flawed position prospects whose names are household words on this site: Rowell, Bell, Snyder. On the pitching side, Britton is the only player who gives me hope. I have already mentally consigned Matt Hobgood to the Billy Rowell trash heap of high draft picks whose talent was completely mis-evaluated.

Anyway, I believe that I am back to stay so long as AM or some other competent baseball man is in charge and PA leaves well enough alone. If PA re-asserts himself I will leave forever. BTW, it is simply impossible for me to feel connected to any team other than the Orioles. Its the Os or nothing.

by BaltoBen on Jun 24, 2010 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

“The Orioles, a once-proud franchise, have lost their way. Sadly, it doesn’t appear it will get better any time soon, says Tim Kurkjian.” -duck

Tim Kurkjian, captain obvious.

I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.

by birdman on Jun 24, 2010 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

So Colon (the other top SS in the draft) signed today

2.8 mil.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jun 24, 2010 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope he does well

The Royals could use someone worth rooting for besides Grienke.

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 24, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

more rob dibble being an ass

This is fun. You can’t from the picture but Dibble has a bat stuck up his ass which explains his strange ass posture.

I came to camdenchat and all I got was this lousy avatar.

by birdman on Jun 24, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Everything about Rob rubs me the wrong way

all the way down to his stupid slouchy stance.

by PhilR8 on Jun 24, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

the slouch is the best part!

That’s my new avatar.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jun 24, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha that's awesome

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 24, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

As Vince said to Jules in Pulp Fiction,

“I know baby, you dig it the most.”

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jun 24, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jason Berken to the Starters mound

Does anyone else feel that with his success in the bullpen, that Jason has earned the right to try starting again. I have my concerns, but I don’t think they outweigh the “Let’s give it a try” thought process. It may fail, but it might work, and the remainder of this season out to be about taking risks on “it might work”

John S West Jr

by Adam double bubble on Jun 24, 2010 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

If you're going to do that

you really need to send him down to AAA to build up his arm strength and get him on a routine. You can’t just throw him back into the rotation and expect it to go well.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 24, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's one of the few pieces on the team thats really working, and i dont want to mess with it

I think we may have found an actually very good reliever in Jason Berken, and as long as he’s happy with the role, I’d rather just check that one part off the list and move on.

by kba26 on Jun 24, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I’d even go a step further and say I’m not particularly concerned with whether or not he’s happy with the role.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 24, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, i'm only concerned how it affects his performance

I’d suspect that he’d have trouble thriving in the bullpen long-term if he still views himself as starter and sees relieving as almost a punishment. On some level you have to enjoy your job to really excel at it.

by kba26 on Jun 24, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It could also help

If he’s got a big chip on his shoulder and wants to dominate every single time out so he shows these stupid motherfuckers that he should be starting. That’d be fine with me.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 24, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, okay

but let’s at least start using him as a valuable reliever. How about that? His average Leverage Index was .7 in June (.49 before that), but he was used only once all month with the Orioles ahead, twice tied, and seven times when we were already losing.

Fire Garret Atkins.

by Andrew_G on Jun 24, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well yeah, this is of course something i can get behind

Baby steps though, we cant expect this organization to become competent all at the same time.

by kba26 on Jun 24, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have one good reliever

Hint to Juan Samuel: it’s not Alfredo Simon

Fire Garret Atkins.

by Andrew_G on Jun 24, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

David Hernandez has been sharp out of the pen

two good relievers baby!!!

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 24, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm too lazy to look it up right now

But I wonder how many times any reliever came in with a lead in June.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 24, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can check this out

I got nothing but time on my hands.

Mata: once
Berken: once
Hernandez: 3 times
Simon: once
Hendrickson: not at all
Albers: not at all
Ohman: 4 times
Bergesen: not at all
Castillo: not at all

So, in total there were ten reliever appearances while the Orioles were winning, and Berken got one of them – the same amount as the immortal Frank Mata. Ohman and Hernandez were the designated “winning relievers” I suppose. All of this only serves to remind me of when Dave Trembley took Berken out after one batter because he couldn’t handle high leverage situations.

Fire Garret Atkins.

by Andrew_G on Jun 24, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

team defense

The O’s are the worst team in the AL according to Chris Dial’s DRS system.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jun 24, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

shocking

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 24, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

My biggest concern there is RF

-5, really? I mean, nicks still good even if he’s not a plus defender but it takes a lot away from him. And are you really surprised that 1B, 2B, and 3B have a combined -17 and as a team we have a -15?

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 24, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i really dont get that whole "hes not a plus defender" thing

hes legitimate gold glove quality

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 24, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has an incredible arm, which is where most of his defensive value comes from

I always thought his range is good but not steller. I dont know for sure, but i have a feeling that the outs that he records throwing people out either arent emphasized or arent included in the formula. The fact that people dont run on him at all is probably even less quantifiable.

by kba26 on Jun 24, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea....thats sorta what i meant

those formulas seem really dependent on range and what happens with BIP hit his way. his range isnt incredible, but his arm is. that just doesnt happen to be a stat that shows up anywhere.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 24, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does he calculate it differently from FanGraphs?

The rankings for individual players don’t line up (such as Nick, who’s at +1 there).

And it looks like the Indians and Angels are worse than us?

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver

by Vuff on Jun 24, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most Birdland Player

I would like to recommend a change in the most Birdland player award. Every game we vote on a player who exemplifies the spirit of birdland. Thus far, birdland embodies a spirited play like a clutch hit, good hustle, etc. But definitions need to change with the times and these are down times. Perhaps, with every loss, the most birdland player needs to be awarded to someone who most exemplifies why the fuck we lost. A botched rundown which leads to a run. That’s birdland. A blown save. That’s birdland. With this change, we could reinvigorate the MBP contest and award the players we love to hate.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jun 24, 2010 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd approve that.

"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 24, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

THIS

great idea. i fully endorse this message.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 24, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or let's create a Least Birdland Player for every loss

It doesn’t feel right voting on a most birdland player for a loss.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jun 24, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't remember the last time I created a MBP poll

I can’t be bothered.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 24, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the players can't be bothered to compete for it

I don’t see why you should be bothered to put it up.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 24, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly, we need to reinvigorate the MBP (or LBP) poll!

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jun 24, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I say we go in a different direction

and just vote Rendon MBP

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Jun 24, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I say we vote Most Valuable Camden Chatter

based on the brilliance of their comments that day.

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 24, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

based on the brilliance birdlandishness of their comments that day.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jun 24, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha that'd be awesome

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 24, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Tillman started at Norfolk today

From @jarreddiamond

Tillman’s afternoon is finished. 6 IP, 3 H, I R, 2 BB, 1 K … 77 pitches/44 strikes. He was on an 80-85 pitch count. He was dominant.

That guy just loves AAA

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 24, 2010 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

that's not really dominant

1 K in 6 innings? Lehigh Valley isn’t a very good offensive team, so it looks more like either he got lucky or they just stunk up the joint.

Fire Garret Atkins.

by Andrew_G on Jun 24, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I don't know who that jared dude is

I’m just passing it on :)

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 24, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, it looks like he got lucky

lots of balls in play. if they were all groundballs, that’s one thing I suppose.

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

by birdman on Jun 24, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

good news!

I totaled it up, and gameday says: 9 grounders, 5 fliers, 3 liners, and 2 pop-ups. Still, though: Lehigh Valley. Not very good.

Fire Garret Atkins.

by Andrew_G on Jun 24, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

beat me too it

sounds like a solid outing, but he obviously wasn’t missing bats.

Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck

by O'sFan21 on Jun 24, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

if only AAA = MLB

I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck

by twistedlogic on Jun 24, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also Britt replied to duck's plea to ask Samuel WTF with the bunt
@DuckAround had anyone asked a follow-up on the bunt, all you were gonna get was “trying to move the runners over.” #clichecity

Isn't it almost impossible to believe that none of the perfect games this season have been thrown against us? -O'sFan21

by Stacey on Jun 24, 2010 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

well, yeah

you all can complain about how “nobody is asking these questions” but the guys asking the questions are smart enough to know that Samuel (and Trembley before him) don’t have a good enough reason for doing what they do. That’s the truth: they don’t know why they did it any more than you do. Deal with it.

Fire Garret Atkins.

by Andrew_G on Jun 24, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love the hash tag

#clichecity

"There's rock bottom, 50 feet of crap, then the Orioles."-Stacey

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jun 24, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't explain why a journalist couldn't know...

…the odds of scoring when giving up an out to put runners in scoring position versus the odds of scoring without giving up the out with runners on first and second.

I mean, being in the press doesn’t rule out the possibility of doing research and knowing facts, does it?

To be understood is to be a prostitute. ~ Fernando Pessoa

by James F on Jun 24, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

You still ask the question

Don’t assume the answer to a question not asked.

And my iPhone is giving me fits, so I didn’t see her response. I was stupid enough to try and update to iOS4 and iTunes 9.2 – huge fucking mistake. DON’T DO IT if you have a iPhone 3G! You will hate yourself and your phone and Apple!

"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis

by duck on Jun 24, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

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